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Another great episode with lots of squeal worthy moments and another strong ending to top it off! I can't believe there's only 2 episodes left to go!

 

CH and JH are beyond adorable! I love both characters so much! I could not stop smiling when JH brought the roses for the doggy. I really thought he was going to secretly give them to CH but when he took them to the doggy, my love for him grew even more! I love how they are both opposites in so many ways and yet both are so hopelessly romantic and awkward in love. How sweet was it when JH didnt want CH to see the kiss scene in the drama!? And watching CH switch from fangirl to girlfriend mode was so funny haha I don't think their relationship will be affected regardless of JH becoming more famous because you can see how much they both admire, respect and care about eachother. 

 

GG and JW made me hold my breath today when they were running away from the reporters, there is so much tension between them. You can see how much JW cares about GG and how much he wants to help and protect her. I love that GG isn't stupid and can see this too hence why she is starting to have feelings for him too. I have loved watching their relationship develop and can't wait to see more little moments in the last 2 episodes. I hope his mum backs off so GG and JW can start a proper normal relationship.

 

I am actually hoping TM and PM don't get back together unless TM can stop worrying about every single possible scenario that can potentially arise in a relationship that has a negative impact. PM was absolutely right in saying that TM focuses only on the future and not the present so she really can't properly enjoy the relationship because of her fears. At first I thought it was PM hoping TM would eventually come around about the whole marriage thing but I think it's TM who mainly overthinks the whole situation and causes more conflict between the two. I think PM would be content to spend his life with TM without getting married but TM appears to have a lot of 'what ifs' and insecurities about the whole thing on top of other doubts. I actually think DI and PM are more compatible, not because of the marriage/same life goals reasoning, but because they both would love and appreciate one another whole heartedly. Not that TM can't do this too but it just seems like such an effort for her and I feel bad for PM and think he deserves more.. It is ironic that for someone who is so business savvy, strong willed, confident and composed, TM is actually the one afraid to commit. Anyways I think they'll end up back together regardless but I do hope it's TM who comes to her senses and pursues PM this time.

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What a sad episode :tears: I can feel what Tami feels, TM worried about PM's future but I think she is still selfish. Maybe she "love" Morgan just because she feels happy when Morgan is besides her. She didn't want let Morgan go is not because she really loves him. I feel sad for her, her ego is stronger than her feels, thats why she's crying so loud. This is not her expected, she's not ready to losing him but she can't do anything but leave him immediately. That's a good choice but sadly at the same time. Hope they have a good ending even though they will end up just become a good friend. 

 

Eps 14 is daebak! Not ready next week is the last :tears:

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I think this is a first that this thread has jumped so many pages after an episode... I had a hard time catching up with all the great posts!!

 

Since many have written so well about our three couples, I will just take this chance to shout out:

THEY KISSED!! MY SHIP FINALLY SAILED!!! :mrgreen:

@thistle Love your point about diminishing each other and how it is an unhealthy relationship. Fully agree. I'm glad to see them breaking up now (me want to hug MG), although I really don't mind seeing Writer have them together again before the drama ends, with some growth from TM of course. Why can't she change her view on marriage? ie. wanting to be married so as to remain with someone she loves. Change is growth. Nothing wrong with that. When you love someone, you'd be willing to change yourself. Not because the other person demands it, but because you want to, willingly, so as to make that person happy. It doesn't make her less a Tammy. Someone in the thread mentioned about the practicality of being legally married, ie. to sign for administrative papers for your spouse, esp. in emergency situation. This is a very real issue. What will she do if let's say Morgan got into an accident and requires immediate medical action? She's going to go look for his parents first and wait for them to arrive to sign the papers for him? Anyway.... looking forward to a great finale week! I have faith in this Writer.

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21 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:

I honestly couldn't understand what Ga-Gyeong was muttering in English, the Na lady was much worse, laughable even. Thank goodness for subs.

Is it just me or do the American actors in this show working for Unicon global call it UNICORN??

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1 hour ago, philosophie said:

Is it just me or do the American actors in this show working for Unicon global call it UNICORN??

Well, the Chinese subs translate it literally to “unicorn” the creature as the name of company, when the spelling is clearly not.

 

Anyway, there are unicorn companies for those who are not aware. So the company name in the drama Unicon is a play on reference to unicorn companies. 

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Hi.. silent lurker here...

 

I just have 1 question .... has PMG ever said the 3 magical words to BTM yet ? I can't seem to remember :huh: Well if he hasnt, then am keeping my fingers crossed that he'll say it next week ...and there we go....a very happy ending...

 

OK... back to my stealth mode..and i'll be listening to Lee Hi's Breathe everyday till next Wed !!!

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Perhaps, the writer is using the three couples to depict the stages of, not so much romance, but as of a relationship.

 

JH and CH is the initial stage of giddiness and euphoria where everything is beautiful.  Enjoying, without thought of anything else. :wub:

 

Passing beyond the initial stage, TM and MG is the next stage of contemplating the future with or without one  another.  Happiness and/or individualism at stake. :mellow:

 

And, GG and JW is the stage of learning the boundaries to which one can compromise, and deny ones real self, for the sake of a relationship. :huh:

 

For the ending, I see three couples who have learned more about themselves --- in what they most value, how much they can give of themselves without feeling like it is penance, and how much not to worry about the future and enjoy the present.

 

Out of all three women, it is TM who has had to have  the strongest mindset for working in a competitive world.  She is the one who has climbed to her level, at Unicon, absolutely on her own skills.  Her success came from being totally goal-oriented and  completely focused on achieving her results by being thorough and all encompassing in her insights.  And, her goal was achieved by manipulating users into the direction that TM wanted them to go or do.

 

So, it is no surprise that she evaluates and looks for finite answers to her relationship the same way she does with her projects.  It seems she is aware of how her brain works, which is why she is so concerned that she may be manipulating PM into a stance that negatively affect his dream and desires.

 

The meta on daily dramas is hilarious.  "The truth is that I am not 33 yrs old, but 66 yrs old."  The tell-tale mole on the neck.  They are making the ridiculous even more ridiculous. :w00t:

 

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My compromise (not that it matters, of course ): Mo will love Mi for 1000 years and continue to fight with the right mindset to rescue her (from her own confinement) . Anything.  But not with the piano teacher.  Just no.  #mimoforever

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But i still don't get it when morgan said "I get it now bla bla bla..its better I didn't understand because if I understand we must have to break up". What's the point he got?

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16 hours ago, snitchdream08 said:

But i still don't get it when morgan said "I get it now bla bla bla..its better I didn't understand because if I understand we must have to break up". What's the point he got?

My understanding is this ties back to when Morgan was waiting for Tami outside of Barro, the show repeated a scene from ep8 whereby in order for them to be happy together Tami said "... then one of us will have to cave in. Either you will never experience marriage, or I'm forced to have marriage in my life. One of us will have to sacrifice in the name of love. Is it right to start a relationship? If neither is willing to do so, we'll have to end our relationship."

 

At the school, Morgan said "He thought if he's OK with no marriage, it'd be OK... but it's not... he understands now." I think it's important to take into account their conversation (as above) his decision. Other than realising Tami's POV (not wanting to be a destroyer of his dream) from his mother, he also realised he too is unwilling to let go of wanting to be married. These were supported by two scenes of him showing he still want marriage: (1) when Tami suggested to live together (2) telling Da In of course he wants to be married but he can't do it alone. Tami saw his disappointed face from #1 and heard it indirectly from Da In for #2. It's from these incidents onwards that their relationship went downhill.

 

It takes two to tango. Tami had been crystal clear she doesn't want marriage, and doesn't intend to change her mind. On the other hand, Morgan even though believe he could do without marriage he wasn't being convincing. Just like how Morgan could sense Tami is withholding herself, Tami also can sense he still wants marriage from her.

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1 hour ago, snitchdream08 said:

But i still don't get it when morgan said "I get it now bla bla bla..its better I didn't understand because if I understand we must have to break up". What's the point he got?

Their main issue is that, MG is ok with their situation, with him possibly not marrying in the future just to be with TM. But TM is not ok with it. 

So, by not understanding that it's an issue, he can pretend that because he's ok with it, then, everything will be ok, if not now, at least at some point. But by understanding, it means he has to give up TM because it's finally accepting that there's no way for them to move forward and have a good future together if TM has that mindset. So, they should break up now since there's no point in continuing to something that's unsolvable. I think this is his point.

And I think it's a smart move. I think TM needs the time and space to be by herself so she can really think things through. I think TM needs to really think on what she wants in their relationship without the pressure of being in the relationship.

So, he let TM go. And allow TM to realize if MG is "it" for her. And if he is, what should she do? Will she make a move to stay with him or will she give up?  

It's actually why I like them. Their relationship is so complex. And it's not all fluff (though, their lovey-dovey moments made my heart flutter :) ). Theirs, I think, given time, and with right choices, can be a beautiful and mature relationship. And I really, seriously, hoping for a happy ending for them.

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11 minutes ago, savingrace said:

I wish we've been given more background about TM to understand her better. 

 

I agreed. We only got a little bit from Lee Dong Wook’s character. 

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Agree... need more background on Tami... Also, Tami should take the risk... just be happy for  crying out loud... you dont know whats gonna happen tomorrow, you could be in a car accident (i hope not!) and living in regret for not having PMG in your life. Haiz...

 

She didnt gamble on GG betraying her, she didnt expect to be out of Unicon, she didnt expect to like her new boss and she didnt expect to like Scarlett ... life is NOT always about predictions... God has plans for everyone... Especially for strong men and women:blush:

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A surprise find! Jang Ki Yong doing hiphop!!! 

Happy weekend People! :wub:

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3 hours ago, snitchdream08 said:

But i still don't get it when Morgan said "I get it now bla bla bla..its better I didn't understand because if I understand we must have to break up". What's the point he got?

My take on this is that when Morgan ask his birth mother why she gave him up, his mom said that it was hard but she loved him so much that she knew he would have a much better life if she gave him away. It was not about how much she loved him but that she couldn't be happy knowing that by keeping him he could not have his best life.  Morgan understands now that it's not that Tammy doesn't love him it's that she can not allow herself to feel happy because she thinks that by being with Morgan she is keeping him from having a good life.  As long as Tammy feels that way Morgan knows he can't win.  Tammy will not allow herself to feel happy.  She will suffer from guilt at holding him back. He loves her to much to watch that, knowing that there is nothing he can do to make her feel happiness.  He wishes he didn't understand this, but Tammy is so like his birth mother in how she is trying to love him.  Both feel that the only way to love and protect Morgan is to give him up.  Given how they feel Morgan can't win.  Another important woman in his life abandons his in the name of loving him,  While what his birth mother did might have been right for him and her at the time she felt she had to let him good. I think Tammy is just plan wrong.  Morgan is a man now not a child.  He can decide for himself what he is willing to leave behind in the name of love.  It the end Tammy walking away from Morgan is not about what he needs or doesn't need,  It's about the fact that Tammy does not believe in herself and what she has to offer.  While marriage can offer a lot of things I know an unmarried couple who have been happy and dedicated to each other for over 40 years,  They have traveled the world, each had a career and do not have kids.  They are one of the most loving couple I know even though marriage was never a part of their plan. That could be true for Morgan and Tammy is that is what both choose. Sadly Tammy is making it clear that she can't except living in the moment and trusting in Morgan.  So in the end Morgan is right to walk away.  He had no choice once he understood that for Tammy loving him would always be about letting him go,  That is only way he felt he could make her happy about herself.

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3 hours ago, snitchdream08 said:

But i still don't get it when morgan said "I get it now bla bla bla..its better I didn't understand because if I understand we must have to break up". What's the point he got?

 

In my opinion, he was referring to the fact that him and TM have different life goals and he finally understood that this would always cause conflict between them. He also understood that TM would always be doing what she thinks is best for him, which ends up making both of them feel terrible and causes TM to inadvertently push him away, so he thinks he needs to let her go to resolve this. His conversation with his mum in which she said she gave him up because she thought he would have a better future with anyone but her, appears to have given him some insight into what TM is thinking and I guess he came to the realization that TM thinks he would be better off with someone else. Case in point, when TM didnt even try and fight for their relationship after DI confessed, it's as though even though she was hurt, she wanted to give him that chance to decide for himself because she wants PM to be with someone his age who wants the same things as him. There's too much doubt from TM which ends up affecting PM who is a pretty positive laidback guy. 

 

DI made a good point when she said to TM that she remembers when TM first started seeing PM, she always made it clear that she would break up with him so it's like she never took the relationship seriously from the start. DI saying to TM that if it came down to who loves PM more, she would win over TM was a good way to put it into perspective too. This obviously only added to TM's doubts though but perhaps she needs all of these realizations to open her eyes and make her fight for her relationship with PM.

 

Regarding the comments about not getting much insight into TM's background, I think the drama has done a pretty good job of depicting TM's personality and character. She appears to have always been confident and sassy (e.g. when we got the flashback of her confronting GG when they were still in school) and is smart and well grounded. I think the fact that PM is younger and also wants to settle down (i.e. get married and have kids) has thrown TM into a crisis because it's something that she didn't predict would happen when she's the type of person who has their life mapped out pretty well. If only she could think of her own happiness too and just enjoy the present with PM without worrying so much about the future, they would probably end up growing old together without even realizing it!

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