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Guide of : how the royal child was made         

The Tale Of The King’s Failed Mission   Our king had a very important mission, he even sent his brother away in order to succeed in his task.   5 minutes later.  

Watching it with subs made the final episode even worse.   I’m so tired of people saying So Bong was only influenced by So Yong’s emotions and feelings. You people had your happy generic het

2 hours ago, kwayteow_mama said:

@cdcotr Unfortunately i do think it's implied that SY is there all along, hiding. However we are only given that knowledge/ confirmation in episode 19 (you know, like right at the end) and I bet it was also news to Sobong when BI brought up that SY must be still in there hiding since she has her memories. At first I didn't really pay too much attention when BI said that. I was, like whatever, the dude's still deluded. But what he said did come true at the end. When KSY wakes up in her own body, she's aware of what's going on and smoothly resume their ongoing mission. It doesn't look like she doesn't have memories from when BH is dominating her body. She knew she was pregnant, for e.g.

 

@kwayteow_mama sorry to be cutting your post.  I wanted to comment and add to some of the points you made ...

 

That's right, there was no hesitation or confusion. She just suddenly said "he's gone" or something like that... and then proceeded to go to CJ. This does support the theory that she was there lurking in the background without even BH being aware.

 

2 hours ago, kwayteow_mama said:

 

Perhaps one way to justify that KSY was there all along (other than in romantic scenes) was through SB bigger picture motivation and will. She's like this invisible puppet master and BH was just manifesting what she wanted in his style, judgement and mannerism. When SY and BH met and kissed in the lake, perhaps it was something like, "help me, I don't know what to do." and BH was the knight in shining armour to help her but the dumb thing is, BH just wakes up in her body and he's supposed to figure all that out accidentally and pray that he doesn't end up dead. There isn't like this guardian angel or divine being or divine revelation in a dream to tell him his mission and what happens if he ends up dead. Of course all this is just my guess at best since the drama reveals so little about the mechanics of the timeslip.

 

IIRC, wasn't SY the one who approached BH to kiss? I did interpret that as her asking for help and kinda handing off her life to BH as if saying "I'm giving you a second chance at life, see what you can make of it."  But BH had to do the things she was unable to do.

Fairly common in transmigration stories that I've read.  The other soul is given another chance at life but they need to do certain things for the original soul, most often get justice or revenge for them. 

I thought this was how it was going to go with Mr Queen so I had thought SY was dead and gone from the start.

 

But if she was there all along, why was the queen's body in a coma  when BH was thrown back into the presentearly on???

I just recalled this now and it's a big plot hole. If the reason she couldn't surface was because BH was too strong a presence in her own body (hard to believe, it's her own body!) then why didn't she come to the fore when BH left the building so to speak. It was wide open for her ...of course, my cynical side is saying, it's bec the situation was still dire for her and CJ still had no power, unlike there at the end when the win was within grasp.

 

2 hours ago, kwayteow_mama said:

BH is supposed to be an egoist character and SB has put herself in many situation that will be at a disadvantage to her so perhaps that was KSY's invisible hand there especially when she sides with the king. But of course the most obvious thing to us was SB apparent motivation for allying with the king was to get back at those who tried to harm her. If you look at it in a different way, this aligns with KSY's life mission assuming it is for her man. Again this is all conjecture since we really don't get much info or character development on KSY other than she's someone in love with the king but was spurned, venting her frustration on court maids and servants either because she was bitter that the king was in love with someone else or trying to get out of being queen because it was not in line with her expectation and committed suicide because she felt hopeless.     

 

Yes there was hardly anything revealed abt SY that can help us understand her character, or not even what she did in the palace between entering it and her trying to kill herself. 

 

Her being mean, petty and cruel was so memorable that till the very end of ep 20 when she went to the lake and 2 maids were there chatting, they were visibly scared of her and hurriedly moved away.

If it was to get out of being queen, she must have been very convincing.

 

I still repeat that it wasn't a good plan. Acting vicious to lowly servants would not make a difference to the Kim elders. They would not give a damn. She was their ticket to more power and control.

Someone said that her only choice was dethronement or death. 

Ok, but my point stands that she didn't need to treat those people badly bec it wasn't going to work.

 

So maybe, she was taking her frustrations out on them like you said.  We only have the GQD's guess that she did it to get out of being queen.  I don't think SY ever confirmed this.

 

And we're back to the lack of certainty about her.

These are all guesses bec the writers failed to show who SY really was.

 

Did she really try hard enough to get CJ to not just notice her, but to correct his prejudiced view of her? If she really wanted this, then why come up with the scheme of punishing servants and being vicious??!! It sure doesn't help her make the case to CJ. It would only reinforce that she was the same as all the other Kims.

 

So I assume she came up with this after she gave up on him...but then that night at the lake she was still trying and even said CJ should love her. Even if she saved him at the well, it still doesn't merit that sentence. It sounds entitled considering her behavior and what CJ has seen of her so far.

I think I'm starting to go in circles.  Much of it doesn't make sense.

 

2 hours ago, kwayteow_mama said:

I guess maybe that's why we also always see SB constant conundrum if the body is indeed controlled by BH or KSY. BH and us, the viewers always thought that BH was in control but perhaps it was always KSY all along pulling the string from behind the scene. Yeah but I agree that it doesn't really redeem her character even viewed in this way. I'm just trying to fill in the gap here but whatever happened with the drama happened and gaps are gaps.

 

I second you sister!! 

 

I interpreted BH's frequent internal crises as him getting used to a female body, SY's memories, hormones, the complicated life in Joseon, and his developing feelings for CJ. I don't think he had much friends or any significant connections beyond his parents, so even his relationship with HY and CLC are new. I theorized that occupying SY's body means he has access to the memories stored in her brain and is now subject to the more volatile emotions that are more common in a female body.

I don't think she was in there pulling the strings. I think BH did have control even if she was hidden inside. But it feels opportunistic, passive and lazy.

Ok that last may be too much, but with nothing to go on to explain the mechanics of how the souls occupied whose body, all we can do is guess.

 

But when I think about her, I'm just not impressed. Her character needed a growth arc. Just like BH did.

Sadly we got nothing. So it feels like she was just there for the ride and she got a free pass to her HEA.

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14 hours ago, taeunfighting said:

 

@Clemzstar Thanks for mentioning these lovely scenes! They were my most favorites of the ending. Here is what I have:

 

If these aren't it, feel free to PM me.

 Thank you! These are exactly what I am after. I can even hear the music with it haha. Saving these for when I start having withdrawals! 

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2 hours ago, LRM11219311 said:
The best explanation of the final episode of Mr. Queen

 

 


No offense but that explanation is full of holes. If there are 2 souls inside her body is the reason BH’s body in vegetative state, why SY didn’t wake up when BH went back briefly?? Beside SB was on the verge of death when she jumped into the lake before CJ rescued her, there was no signs of SY presence too.

 

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It's out, KJH track on MQ OST

"Like the first snow" (철인왕후)

 

 

 

 

ENGLISH TRANSLATION

(Ms Goldie)

 

Sometimes when I'm with you,

I feel unfamiliar with myself smiling.

Slowly, without realizing

Is it because of you who permeated my heart?

 

Even if you say no,

You're always there at the end of my gaze.

My day like a gift when I close my eyes

It was the first snow that was too warm for me.

 

It's pouring down like snow on my heart where there was no light in my life,

You don't have no idea. without any burden

Slowly, in your mind,

I'll sneak down like the first snow.
 

I miss you, even when I'm in front of you.

I feel like you're going to disappear to my eyes any time.

I'm afraid you will be erased when I close my eyes.

I think I'm going to put you in my mind a little bit more.

 

It's pouring down like snow on my heart.

In my life, where there was no light

without a burden , whispering in your mind

I'll sneak down like the first snow.

 

Just stay with me like now and forever.

 

It's pouring down like snow on my heart

where there was no light in my life.

I'll sneak down in your heart like the first snow

little whispering,  without burden.

I'll always be by your side like I am now.

 

 

- - -

Guys, this is definitely a song of longing...

Tell me what timeline is this for???

 

We are really never getting over our brokenness (whatever that means for us).

 

 

 

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Seol In Ah Talks About Working With Shin Hye Sun, Kim Jung Hyun, And More On “Mr. Queen”

 

Seol In Ah shared her thoughts on her latest hit drama “Mr. Queen”!

The historical fusion drama is about a man from modern times whose soul is trapped in the body of a queen from the Joseon dynasty. Shin Hye Sun stars as Kim So Yong, the Joseon queen with the soul of Blue House chef Jang Bong Hwan trapped inside her. Kim Jung Hyun plays her husband King Cheoljong, who is a weak and ineffective king on the outside but is stronger and sharper than he appears. Seol In Ah stars as Jo Hwa Jin, King Cheoljong’s first love who opposes Kim So Yong.

 

Seol In Ah shared, “I was nervous and felt pressure because it was my first historical drama in a long time. It was an enjoyable time. Since the teamwork between the actors, staff, and director was good, I was able to act more comfortably without the pressure I had expected.”

“Mr. Queen” was Seol In Ah’s first historical drama since “The Flower in Prison” in 2016. The actress revealed that she practiced lowering her tone while speaking and read books slowly while taking deeper breaths to practice the sageuk tone. Seol In Ah shared that she would watch clips and read comments about her character but would sometimes get hurt in the process. She explained, “When that happened, my family and my manager took care of me a lot and helped stabilize my mentality.”

 

The actress also talked about the mood on set and how the cast pretended to be their characters off-camera. She shared, “We joked around as our respective characters. When I approached So Yong, Court Lady Choi (Cha Chung Hwa) and Hong Yeon (Chae Seo Eun) said, ‘Queen, you have to be careful.’ Then, So Yong would slightly glare at me. We spent time like this normally as our characters. In particular, there were a lot of bloopers thanks to Byulgam Hong (Lee Jae Won). It was to the point that we would laugh for 30 minutes.”

 

Regarding her co-stars, Seol In Ah shared, “From rehearsal to the filming, I was able to act in a diverse and vivid way with Shin Hye Sun. Although she was the actress with the most amount of activities scheduled, she was always smiling and full of consideration, which I learned a lot from.” Seol In Ah also reunited with Kim Jung Hyun after working together on “School 2017.” On their reunion, Seol In Ah shared, “I felt reassured and a sense of closeness with him on set, and I was able to fall even deeper into my role because he took care of me and showed his focus.”

 

Yoo Min Kyu played Prince Yeongpyeong, who secretly harbored feelings for Jo Hwa Jin. Regarding actor Yoo Min Kyu, Seol In Ah shared, “He’s mischievous and talkative unlike how he seems, so he made me fall for that charm and share too much information about myself.” On actress Jo Yeon Hee, who played Queen Jo, Seol In Ah shared, “We talked jokingly about how far our characters’ evil deeds will go and that we’ll live a long time since our characters were cursed at a lot. I fell for the way she didn’t lose her serious attitude while filming.”

 

Finally, Seol In Ah talked about wanting to take on the action genre in the future and play a role like Villanelle in BBC’s “Killing Eve.” She added that she learned to be easy going, realized again that there are still so many things to learn, and gained courage through filming “Mr. Queen.” The actress explained that this was all thanks to the viewers and asked them to show lots of interest in her next project as well.

 

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1 hour ago, cenching said:


No offense but that explanation is full of holes. If there are 2 souls inside her body is the reason BH’s body in vegetative state, why SY didn’t wake up when BH went back briefly?? Beside SB was on the verge of death when she jumped into the lake before CJ rescued her, there was no signs of SY presence too.

 

Yeah, I respect your opinion too! I do agree to some extend that it's the writer's fault because he doesn't point out the important things here, and that SY-soul-drowning-in-the-lake scene OFC make us misunderstood everything. I even did OSTs analysis just for this drama, and yeah even though I do agree that SY is still there (bcz of Here I Am OST), the only conclusion that I got from other OSTs like Keep Going and The Great Recipe is that BH would stay in Joseon Era. I am not against BH-CJ endgame, but yes I against the idea of Bonghwan staying in Joseon. Once again, I respect all of your ideas and arguments here, so let me try to share mine too...

 

I'm SY-CJ shipper actually, but since EP 1 - EP 19, I don't see any hope for SY-CJ endgame, and that's okay bcz I always get SLS syndrome anyway:)) So, even if my heart's happy to see SY-CJ as an endgame, I do find that is a lil bit illogical, at first. Until, I saw Kim Jung Hyun's live on instagram and finally choose my own path to understand the story. He said, "I think it doesn't matter whose soul is in the body, what matters is how cheoljong chose how to see soyong from his perspective and fell in love with her that way.." (cr: teamkdramas on twt)

 

What I understand here is that CJ didn't simply fall in love with Sobong's personality or Soyong's trait, he fell in love with "the way" he choose to see 'The Queen' from his perspective. Okay, this is a philosophical thing and I amaze with the way how Jung Hyun tried to make us understand CJ's character better. He basically said, people in normal life usually love someone because, they make "their own perception" toward that someone. CJ alr knew that the Queen's behavior changed, but does he hate it? Emm, I think no, because he literally loves The Queen by "His own" perspective. 

 

Back to the Here I Am OST, YES, Soyong was there ALL the time, but she's hiding and Bonghwan is kinda her human self-defense mechanism property. The evidence? Her memories, emotions, instincts and traits always remain. How could Sobong said the exact same thing like, "SY's guilt toward her mother death", "I could die with smile," even "the way she always overlaps when talking to her father". I choose to believe that it was SY's subconscious mind. Moreover, after the vegetative incident, SY's subconscious mind slowly getting stronger and stronger until she fully overtook her body again in EP 20.

 

But again, this is just my own ideas to clear my own anxiety about this drama ahahahaha! Actually choosing to let go of the things that didn't go your way is kinda hard to do, but when you do, believe me that you would find peace, ofc with the help of the almighty 'TIME'. Justice for BH? YES OFC I NEED IT SO BADLY!!! But life goes on guys, the staffs who made Mr. Queen are humans, full of flaws. But it doesn't mean that they did not work hard enough, right? So, let's just focus more to appreciating the staffs and all of the actors! 

 

But, if you're still disagree with me, then don't mind me, It's okay, I still respect your arguments anyway, peace all!

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@zzang phoenix

No offense taken and in CJ character's POV I would have to agree with KJH. Added to what you said above (about his perspective in loving His Queen), CJ had experienced lots of lots of losses. His family were killed in front of his eyes. He loved HJ and despite checked out early he still cherishes her very much hence he was super distraught when she left. He loves His Queen (I don't want to use SB/SY/BH) to death and he saw with his own eyes how she was about to died together with his unborn baby. He was shaken to the core. For a person who had lost that much he is just being grateful that His Queen is still by his side, alive. So whatever nagging feeling he has about His Queen, he will just brushes it off and covers it with love and gratefulness, so at the end of the day it's really doesn't matter for him whose soul is inside. In fairness, SY isn't a terrible queen and she loves him a lot too.

 

So I am totally fine with CJ’s situation. But of course SY and BH are different stories. The characterization is terrible (no need to elaborate) and made me think that the writers purposely created this confusion for hype and they are successful.

 

add.

Forget to add that for CJ, SY/SB/BH is His Queen period. Thru out 20 episodes, he’s never addresses her by her name, not even once. So for CJ, she’s His Queen, no more no less. Sounds shallow in a way but this is what it is...

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43 minutes ago, cenching said:

@zzang phoenix

No offense taken and in CJ character's POV I would have to agree with KJH. Added to what you said above (about his perspective in loving His Queen), CJ had experienced lots of lots of losses. His family were killed in front of his eyes. He loved HJ and despite checked out early he still cherishes her very much hence he was super distraught when she left. He loves His Queen (I don't want to use SB/SY/BH) to death and he saw with his own eyes how she was about to died together with his unborn baby. He was shaken to the core. For a person who had lost that much he is just being grateful that His Queen is still by his side, alive. So whatever nagging feeling he has about His Queen, he will just brushes it off and covers it with love and gratefulness, so at the end of the day it's really doesn't matter for him whose soul is inside. In fairness, SY isn't a terrible queen and she loves him a lot too.

 

So I am totally fine with CJ’s situation. But of course SY and BH are different stories. The characterization is terrible (no need to elaborate) and made me think that the writers purposely created this confusion for hype and they are successful.

 

add.

Forget to add that for CJ, SY/SB/BH is His Queen period. Thru out 20 episodes, he’s never addresses her by her name, not even once. So for CJ, she’s His Queen, no more no less. Sounds shallow in a way but this is what it is...

YES TRUE!!! I really loved your theory about CJ's feeling by the way, you put it into words that's so easy to be understood. And I actually like to refer "the person that CJ loves" as "The Queen" too, so great!

 

About BH-SY, yeah, the writer's intention, lol, actually I thought about that possibility too yesterday, so maybe it really is their scheme ahahaahaha, because if they just cleared out everything, maybe there won't be any discussion like this, right? But they are still great staffs, I saw behind the scene of Bamboo Forest and found out that they were shooting until 4 in the morning, so I'll just respect them unconditionally:((

 

Anyway, choose anything that makes you happy, I'll choose mine too, and maybe see you again in another drama! Anyeong~

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So what are the impacts of the change of history? How come it still lead to an identical South Korea like in  real life if the King is so successful? No stronger Korean economy even with the stronger head start? No United Korea? Still divided into South & North which mean the same tragedies (abolishment of monarchy, Japanese colonization, Korean War, division into South & North) happened anyway? How come these were not avoided by the King's success?

 

If we assume everything still proceed the same way despite the King being a great reformer, the implication is that CJ's heir would still be deposed by the Japanese & lived in house arrest for the remainder of his life. In the real history this King (Gojong) was some distant relative of CJ but here it would be CJ's & BH/SY's unborn child (if the baby is a boy).  

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1 hour ago, RSY said:

So what are the impacts of the change of history? How come it still lead to an identical South Korea like in  real life if the King is so successful? No stronger Korean economy even with the stronger head start? No United Korea? Still divided into South & North which mean the same tragedies (abolishment of monarchy, Japanese colonization, Korean War, division into South & North) happened anyway? How come these were not avoided by the King's success?

 

If we assume everything still proceed the same way despite the King being a great reformer, the implication is that CJ's heir would still be deposed by the Japanese & lived in house arrest for the remainder of his life. In the real history this King (Gojong) was some distant relative of CJ but here it would be CJ's & BH/SY's unborn child (if the baby is a boy).  


Oh honey, the writers didn’t even bother with the ending for the titular character Mr Queen (Bong Hwan). Do you really think they concerned themselves with something like logical consequences? For example why was Secretary Han still there in the future if Bong Hwan got his ancestor castrated?

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1 hour ago, aisling said:

For example why was Secretary Han still there in the future if Bong Hwan got his ancestor castrated?

Could be that he already had child before that.

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On 2/17/2021 at 4:26 PM, DeluLunaUnnie said:

 

It's out, KJH track on MQ OST

"Like the first snow" (철인왕후)

 

 

 

ENGLISH TRANSLATION

(Ms Goldie)

 

Sometimes when I'm with you,

I feel unfamiliar with myself smiling.

Slowly, without realizing

Is it because of you who permeated my heart?

 

Even if you say no,

You're always there at the end of my gaze.

My day like a gift when I close my eyes

It was the first snow that was too warm for me.

 

It's pouring down like snow on my heart where there was no light in my life,

You don't have no idea. without any burden

Slowly, in your mind,

I'll sneak down like the first snow.
 

I miss you, even when I'm in front of you.

I feel like you're going to disappear to my eyes any time.

I'm afraid you will be erased when I close my eyes.

I think I'm going to put you in my mind a little bit more.

 

It's pouring down like snow on my heart.

In my life, where there was no light

without a burden , whispering in your mind

I'll sneak down like the first snow.

 

Just stay with me like now and forever.

 

It's pouring down like snow on my heart

where there was no light in my life.

I'll sneak down in your heart like the first snow

little whispering,  without burden.

I'll always be by your side like I am now.

 

 

- - -

Guys, this is definitely a song of longing...

Tell me what timeline is this for???

 

We are really never getting over our brokenness (whatever that means for us).

 

 

 

oh so sweet!  I heard this was the song playing in the closing credits of EP19 Heart Love GIF by RainToMe

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5 hours ago, RSY said:

So what are the impacts of the change of history? How come it still lead to an identical South Korea like in  real life if the King is so successful? No stronger Korean economy even with the stronger head start? No United Korea? Still divided into South & North which mean the same tragedies (abolishment of monarchy, Japanese colonization, Korean War, division into South & North) happened anyway? How come these were not avoided by the King's success?

 

If we assume everything still proceed the same way despite the King being a great reformer, the implication is that CJ's heir would still be deposed by the Japanese & lived in house arrest for the remainder of his life. In the real history this King (Gojong) was some distant relative of CJ but here it would be CJ's & BH/SY's unborn child (if the baby is a boy).  

 

This! The lack of complete resolution really is disappointing. They obviously changed events in history. They mentioned that CJ didn't die there and his reputation changed from an ineffective king to one who changed the monarchy.  Someone here noted he died at 32 which I think is the same age as before.  That's pretty young, if he was around 20 when the events in Mr Queen happened IIRC, he had only abt a dozen years to rule.  His child would still be so young.  Did they have more than one? How did he die?? Did SY become regent?

 

It would be logical to think BH would read every info he could get on what happened but they just gloss over it and just add a short line from BH that he and CJ changed Korea.  But how exactly has it changed?  Is BH still the chef at the blue house? How did he change his life?

 

But the details on that is so very lacking.

Everything that happened, all the hardships they went through, in large part, were for the sake of the country, for their vision of a better future.  But that future was never really shown to us..

 

It's like you work hard to collaborate on a project and you never get to see the finished product.

It is partly why the ending was unsatisfying for me.

 

4 hours ago, aisling said:


Oh honey, the writers didn’t even bother with the ending for the titular character Mr Queen (Bong Hwan). Do you really think they concerned themselves with something like logical consequences? For example why was Secretary Han still there in the future if Bong Hwan got his ancestor castrated?

 

That plan was faulty LOL.  He didn't castrate the whole family so that bloodline still continued. He must have had siblings, cousins etc...I think he was just taking his anger out on the ancestor LOL.

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la-ah-ah!... a song of love! Composer HowL also did much of the soundtrack for Mr. Queen, including the main theme. I'm hoping for the instrumental version.

 

 

A reminder of those heady days when we were all head-over-heels in love and the good times were gonna last forever. Back around episode 9. 

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On 2/16/2021 at 8:59 AM, aren_117 said:

 

Regarding Soyong's bad behavior, I believe she was acting. She was acting to be cruel for her to be dethroned. Cause if she truly was cruel, do you think Hongyeon would loyally stay by her side and cry for her? I believe that she would not think highly of Soyong if her real nature was truly cruel. But that didnt happen, Hongyeon was the one who truly knows her. She was the one who told Bong Hwan about the queen's cruel deeds but she defended her and told him that its not her real character.

 

 

Just a quick comment on this.  Abt HY not staying loyally by her side if SY was truly cruel.  Well, the maids in this drama seem very loyal and trained to be so.  The GQD's maid remained loyal even after she was not longer in power and we all know the GQD is a lot more vicious and cruel than any other character in the show. She had her own grandson killed, the previous king, to keep her power! And HJ's maid remained loyal even while she was being tortured.

So it's not a good way to gauge it.

 

But I didn't say she was cruel. What I pointed out was her choice of being cruel to others, who were innocent and below her in status and power, so they couldn't fight back and are obligated to just take it or die, is troubling IMO.

Someone pointed out the only way to get out of the palace is either be dethroned or die.

Well, the way she chose as a way to be dethroned is to push it on others instead of taking the risk and consequences on herself.

And it wasn't effective at all so she still ended up choosing death in the end.

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