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1 hour ago, aisling said:

- Bong Hwan left someone he loved deeply behind. Will he be able to love someone like this again? Will he find someone who’d challenge him intellectually and emotionally like this? Imagine living the rest of your life remembering you experienced this epic love story.

 

- Cheoljong will keep wondering about the changes in his wife. Not only the mannerisms, language, but also her intellect. Those deep night conversations about democracy will be no more. He will always feel like he lost something significant while looking at the Queen’s dictionary. 

 

- So Yong will be feeling like an imposter in her own body. She will be wondering for the rest of her life who Cheoljong truly liked. She should feel ashamed about taking her own life and that someone else literally saved her, her husband and the country. I keep wondering how does she feel knowing all those personal traits Cheoljong confessed he came to like belonged to Bong Hwan. How will she feel whenever she looks at the Queen’s dictionary?

 

Exactly. I would rather they dedicate some time in the drama addressing these salient points.

We didn't even see any real dynamics between original KSY and Cheoljong at the end. I'm not even asking for lovey dovey scene but just to gage how is the king taking in this version of the queen. Yes we did see him looking wistfully at his queen's dictionary as an acknowledgement that he knew there's something different about the queen but I still find it weird that he can accept a personality change like that and conveniently brushing off or disregarding what sobong told him before about being a dude from the future. I mean, isn't he portrayed to be progressive enough to embrace radical ideas or the queen displaying more male associated traits like flirting with concubines? Something just doesn't jive here. He's progressive and intuitive in many respect but just completely glossing over the most important point.   

 

My other gripe is that KSY seems to have more control over BH on when she chooses to be the dominant personality or what she choose to remember or chooses for BH to remember.  That's why it feels like she's taking credit for the actions taken by BH. KSY choose to go into hibernation whenever there's any heavylifting to be done. For make out scenes, viewers are left to fantasize whether it's BH or KSY depending on your sexual preference.

 

To be honest, in the beginning I found the drama interesting because of the potentially more progressive plot but at the end it just went the conventional mainstream way i.e. a fully heterosexual ending.  Queen is fully feminine and JBH went on his life as a guy again.. who knows.. maybe this is to make an open end to welcome a potential season 2

 

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2 hours ago, aisling said:

- Bong Hwan left someone he loved deeply behind. Will he be able to love someone like this again? Will he find someone who’d challenge him intellectually and emotionally like this? Imagine living the rest of your life remembering you experienced this epic love story.

 

Hmmm... I never had the impression that BH wanted to stay in Joseon, but he accepted it after many failed attempts to return to his time. When he finally did, he was NOT heartbroken at all, but rather very happy upon reading about the king and queen's accomplishments. I interpreted it as he was genuinely happy for CJ and SY. He originally thought that he came to Joseon for nothing which turned out to be absolutely untrue. His time spent with CJ and SY helped changed Joseon for the better. At least for me, I thought that was the main point of the story. I have no doubt that BH, as handsome and charming as he is, will find his love story in his own time.

 

2 hours ago, aisling said:

- Cheoljong will keep wondering about the changes in his wife. Not only the mannerisms, language, but also her intellect. Those deep night conversations about democracy will be no more. He will always feel like he lost something significant while looking at the Queen’s dictionary.

 

After BH left, it was clear the SY still retained some of his traits such as the cursing and how she lifted up her skirt to walk more comfortably versus daintily. She said it herself that perhaps her hidden instincts have been awoken. So, I am certain that CJ will still see some aspects of the language and mannerisms. As far as her intellect, she immediately made positive changes to Internal Court so it leads me to believe that she is capable helping CJ with royal affairs. Again, when BH read about CJ's achievements, it was credited to the queen as well.

 

2 hours ago, aisling said:

- So Yong will be feeling like an imposter in her own body. She will be wondering for the rest of her life who Cheoljong truly liked. She should feel ashamed about taking her own life and that someone else literally saved her, her husband and the country. I keep wondering how does she feel knowing all those personal traits Cheoljong confessed he came to like belonged to Bong Hwan. How will she feel whenever she looks at the Queen’s dictionary?

 

It was obvious that SY did not question CJ's love for her. I actually agree with KJH that the turning point of how he viewed the queen was indeed the hairpin scene. I thought it was rather quick that once he realized that he had misunderstood SY all along, he was adamant in trying to mend things between them. So, the reveal that he had already fallen for SY beforehand, but only held back because she was from the Kim clan made sense to me.

 

Regarding the dictionary, CJ created it to help him better understand the queen which he acknowledged that he does not think he fully would. From what I can tell when SY saw the dictionary, she was touched that CJ made such efforts to understand the queen. Whether the queen was SY or BH, personally, I do not think it matters because the truth is that CJ saw the queen as SY.

 

Last, it was not like SY was ungrateful for BH. It was clear that she appreciated everything that he did for her when she saw his carving on the stone/rock by the lake. To me, there shouldn't be anything for SY to be ashamed about, but she knew from hereon not to take CJ and the country for granted.

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I agree with most of the recent posts here - and yes, some of us do get intensely involved in fictional stories - and a well-written story with properly sketched characters can make quite an impact - which is why the ending leaves so many of us so unsettled. 
 

Now that I've seen the spinoffs with subs - it does seem like it was filmed to appease this backlash - but my heart still goes out for CJ and BH/SB - SB was that one person who really understood him despite all her attempts not to (all her gender/sexual identity crisis and need for survival amid constant political intrigue) - even in the spinoff - SB says stuff like (paraphrasing) "I know you are trying so hard not to crumble." CJ from the beginning had a very tragic life - although he told HJ he didn't like her just because of the past - I think it did start there (why else would he wake up from his nightmares calling out for Hwa Jin in the beginning?) - however he never really connected with her (the way I see it, HJ was a hope he hung to to escape his nightmares but he found another solution in Queen's dictionary), the way he was able to open himself to SB - SB forced out raw/vulnerable out of him - and to be able to seen for that - that true naked self of his in front of person he actually wronged (give his guilt for his past behaviour towards SY) must have been very liberating for him - and so he continues to pursue her and declares his love etc etc. Like I pointed out way back - CJ feels "alive" when he's with SB - all other aspects of his life are obligations he need to fulfill - could be why he wants a normal life with her without the trappings of titles and power as his re-born wish - just themselves 

For SB/BH - it was also a big learning curve - from wanting to side with who's in power to instinctively protecting CJ - highlighting how he/she truly came to love CJ over a period of time - and it's a believable ending for BH to return then since he does have major realisations about life as @Raffles pointed out. However, I feel like SB also got adjusted to her female body - she was comfortable in hanboks, she adjusted to periods and pregnancy - I mean, won't BH feel disoriented again to have to readjust and maybe even miss some of this stuff? (I don't want to start another rant not showing the baby - this is already turning into a long post lol)

BUT both deserve closure. (as do the audience who put weeks and weeks into their relationship) 
 

CJ deserves to know the truth - he said it himself while handing over the book, "Not knowing the truth can hurt the other person." (paraphrasing)

I wish SB or SY told him what was happening - at least BH can find closure because he knows but what about CJ? He'll forever be feeling a "void" and not knowing why 

Yesterday, I had the energy for fanfics but today I feel quite emotionally drained - so just sharing the ideas I got previously. 

Like @Raffles mentioned QD and the shaman might conspire to send the queen back. CJ realises something is off with the queen after a few days (since he's the in-house Jung Jeon expert) and questions SY, "Do you know JBH?" (since JBH is brought up in the spin-offs as well) - CJ finally knows the truth and finds solace in visiting their royal villa alone and pens letter/poems which are posthumously published by YP. 
The title of the book - "To My One and Only You." by Jong Cheol dedicated to Lee Sang Man (so that the future BH can read it and know it's from CJ) 
Some poem titles: My Comfort, A Tigress's Roar, The Alien 
I'm sure CJ would have penned some beautiful poems to keep SB memory alive 


And it would be nice if BH reincarnated as a woman (to fulfil him mom's wish and also because he's now adjusted to a female body) and then meet CJ again in modern life as normal people (mostly because I'm attached to SHS-KJH pairing :joy:) but on the whole I'm gender-neutral about it just that both the characters need to find proper closure. 


Sigh. Sorry for the long post chingus. 

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This is the 3rd time I'll be typing this bec I don't know how but it disappeared before I could hit post. :crybaby:

I just wanted to bring up something that stuck with me from the beginning and was never adequately explained. It was brought up in previous page..

It was how SY acted in the palace, punishing maids, court ladies, eunuchs and maybe even kids as they were shown to be scared of her.  She had them punished even for minor if not non-existent faults. 

GQD mentioned that she might have done that to get out of being chosen as queen. Though it was never explicitly confirmed.

If this was her plan, it was cruel. and ineffective.

She was vicious and punished innocent people to get out of something she agreed to do.

 

She could have asked her father to take her home.  He seemed to dote on her and spoil her even if he might neglect her.  Or she could have pretended to be sick, or even pretend to have a lover.

Schemes that would not involve hurting other people who could not fight back.

 

Besides, being cruel would not have deterred the GQD, KJG, the ministers as they are all cruel and vicious  too.  They wouldn't care. All they wanted is to use her to control CJ and boost their power in the court.

They would not have let her go for anything short of being infertile or being caught having an affair (maybe a rumor would do).

But her choice to ruin her chances by being cruel and hurting innocent people, instead of taking a more drastic and risky to herself plan (but would be more effective)...well...tells me something of her character.

 

 

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Chingus.. would this alternative have made the ending more palatable?

What if KSY personality shows up earlier in the show? Not in the subtle way that have us fantasizing or guessing whether that's BH or KSY making out with the king. And the SY/BH split personality was acknowledged and accepted by the king earlier on in the drama? And king also accept the idea that BH is from the future. I think it will be quite interesting if at times SY wakes up in some kind of situation of BH's doing and vice versa. Something like KSY waking up suddenly when JBH was in Oktajeong something like that. Or BH only find out that KSY made love with the king because he was awake when they first find out about the pregnancy. At first CJ will be a bit unsettled but after he kind of accept it, then it will be quite funny to see how he have to contend with the two personalities surfacing at different times.

 

I think it's better if both BH and SY doesn't have control of who becomes dominant at what point and this is directly shown as a running theme of the drama so that both BH and SY have a hand in the ending. 

 

22 minutes ago, cdcotr said:

I just wanted to bring up something that stuck with me from the beginning and was never adequately explained. It was brought up in previous page..

It was how SY acted in the palace, punishing maids, court ladies, eunuchs and maybe even kids as they were shown to be scared of her.  She had them punished even for minor if not non-existent faults. 

GQD mentioned that she might have done that to get out of being chosen as queen. Though it was never explicitly confirmed.

If this was her plan, it was cruel. and ineffective.

She was vicious and punished innocent people to get out of something she agreed to do.

 

Thanks for bringing this up. This was my thought as well. I thought this part was kind of unnecessary and then at the end KSY suddenly become this progressive and magnanimous lady? :blink:

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CNN Indonesia posted an interview with Jung Hyun. I don’t understand either Korean or Indonesian but from the reactions of fans he’s a very introspective person and he apparently impressed everyone with his vast knowledge of Indonesia.

 

I post Mr Queen related questions here, the rest of interesting tidbits will be posted in his thread.

 

 

 

 

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https://www.cnnindonesia.com/hiburan/20210215125606-238-606339/video-wawancara-eksklusif-bintang-mr-queen-kim-jung-hyun

 

The link to the IV

 

Finally there is Q about his skincare and he said he doesn't have any special skin regimen. Instead of using many kinds of lotion or essence, he's only using one type of lotion (Brand??? KJH, please???)

 

His knowledge about Indonesia came from Wikipedia, I think....:joy: So Indonesia in Korean is Inni, the same in Mandarin...He's been to Indonesia once.

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Had to come out of lurk mode.  I'm not happy with how Mr. Queen ended.  I really loved SB and CJ.  I could watch two, three more seasons of their antics.  BUT maybe they could do a real spinoff?  This is just my fanfiction:

 

A lot of us were unhappy that JBH wound up in the future alone. What if they picked the story back up with the CJ's wish that he and SY could meet one day not as king and queen but as regular people. JBH could be SY's descendent somehow and CJ's descendent could now be...a woman?!  

 

They could have JBH finally coming to terms that he loved CJ, finding out that he's a descendent of SY and then trying to find out who CJ is. They could also have JBH struggling with readjusting to being a man again.  Since he was in the Queen's body, he now understands women better and has changed.  I think it'd be funny having him struggle with his playboy side and his newfound feminine side.

 

On the other hand, they could have CJ's descendent be a woman that's rough around the edges and manly.  I feel like that would be fun to see a more feminine JBH and manly woman-version of CJ.  (I think it would be fun to see him get emotional or feeling like he's being swept off his feet and try to snap out of it.)  Maybe she's someone that works in the Blue House somehow, like Secret Service.  Or maybe a spy.  That way she has a way to meet the chef JBH.  And she's still like CJ's character and tries to save the world.

 

Just like our sex maniac couple, they could have JBH and CJ's descendent bonding over erotic stuff.  Maybe JBH would recognize that she is CJ's descendent through that lol.  Like JBH could catch her reading an erotic novel and think to himself that she reminds him of someone lol.  

 

Anyways, I just totally think there's an opportunity to spin this off and maybe we could get flashbacks of our favorite couple SB and CJ too.  Please writers, make it happen!

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I haven’t watched the latest episodes but it didn’t take long for me to know what happened after seeing the words “disappointing” on people’s posts on Tumblr and Twitter

 

I’m sorry but considering how well the writers did up until this point, why did they only think to about SY up till the last minute. They should’ve had her voice present from the START. By doing this, I would’ve had my expectations in check to how this drama would’ve gone 

 

 

Sighhhhhhhhhh, I haven’t been feeling kdramas in awhile with Kingdom being the only expectation and Mr Queen really helped revitalise that but seeing how it ended, I’m not sure if I even want to finish the rest. That being said the lead actors were absolutely fantastic and I hope they’ll headline another project together 

 

I want to thank everyone on here through this great but ultimately painful journey 

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2 hours ago, cdcotr said:

 

I just wanted to bring up something that stuck with me from the beginning and was never adequately explained. It was brought up in previous page..

 

It was how SY acted in the palace, punishing maids, court ladies, eunuchs and maybe even kids as they were shown to be scared of her.  She had them punished even for minor if not non-existent faults. 

 

GQD mentioned that she might have done that to get out of being chosen as queen. Though it was never explicitly confirmed.

If this was her plan, it was cruel and ineffective.

 

She was vicious and punished innocent people to get out of something she agreed to do.

 

@xprosperity @yumeaki 

 

This is what i meant... because in the Bamboo Forest episode 1, we saw that she was kind and not as bad as others imagined her to be... So, im just saying, maybe the writers forgot that, and we still dont know why she went bad in a span of a few days after being confirmed as the Queen Designate.

 

Since she liked the King, i dont think she would be silly enough to show her bad side, which in the drama, the King is aware of her bad misdeeds before and expected the worst of her, her being Andong Kim clan and all...:lol:

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29 minutes ago, tazmin said:

Can’t believe now that the cdrama had the best ending in dramaland 

 

I was mighty concerned that they'll go down the Cdrama route whereby it was all just an act.... until I was at the receiving end of the Kdrama ending :joy:

 

Not sure which is more painful lolll. (after a few days, I've recovered from my shock and angst).

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21 minutes ago, kimchimandu said:

 

I was mighty concerned that they'll go down the Cdrama route whereby it was all just an act.... until I was at the receiving end of the Kdrama ending :joy:

 

Not sure which is more painful lolll. (after a few days, I've recovered from my shock and angst).

I thought I was okay yesterday but listening to the OST is like all piercingly painful now - will hopefully come out of it soon! 

A big thank you to everyone here :foryou: past few weeks were so engaging and fun (discounting the ending) and glad there are many who share the same sentiments regarding the ending. 
 

@aisling please feel free to tag me in KJH posts or if the PAC squad is revived :joy:

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I think it was cleared why SY was behaving badly. To dethroned her.To find her unsuitable to be queen

It was not uncomon for queens to behave badly.

 

 

He could not leave by her own, her own clan put her in that position the clan that the grandmother queen belonged to as well. Nor she could ask her dad to take her. She was chosen for a reason, for her clan to become more powerfull, if we remember not even the king could opposed to them. 

 

So the only way was either to be dethtroned or die. 

(The girl was not a woman to plot a love afair, that would have ashamed her dad)

Thus the grandmother queen told her that if she wants to die to die in the palace. And that she did not become queen by herself.

(The queen was only a decorative jewel or a machine to produce children)

 

Let us not be prejudiced by the cdrama and the different endings.

 

Ok maybe the ending was not perfect,( there were some loopholes that would have been avoided just 5 min either in flashbacks or in the story) but from my experience with kdramas the endings never are perfect.

 

(It was a suitable ending,and i am sure if the writers had thought to  show the queen and the king bickering  and then make up it would have been great. Or SY to come back at ep 19.)

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Annie12 said:

I think it was cleared why SY was behaving badly. To dethroned her.To find her unsuitable to be queen

It was not uncomon for queens to behave badly.

 

 

He could not leave by her own, her own clan put her in that position the clan that the grandmother queen belonged to as well. Nor she could ask her dad to take her. She was chosen for a reason, for her clan to become more powerfull, if we remember not even the king could opposed to them. 

 

So the only way was either to be dethtroned or die. 

(The girl was not a woman to plot a love afair, that would have ashamed her dad)

Thus the grandmother queen told her that if she wants to die to die in the palace. And that she did not become queen by herself.

(The queen was only a decorative jewel or a machine to produce children)

 

Let us not be prejudiced by the cdrama and the different endings.

 

Ok maybe the ending was not perfect,( there were some loopholes that would have been avoided just 5 min either in flashbacks or in the story) but from my experience with kdramas the endings never are perfect.

 

(It was a suitable ending,and i am sure if the writers had thought to  show the queen and the king bickering  and then make up it would have been great. Or SY to come back at ep 19.)

 

 

No I think we can be prejudiced about the ending because the writers knew what they were going into with the premise hence why they quickly made a spinoff to try and justify the hot mess of an ending. Even the cdrama had three different endings, the novel had a happy ending, so with a sliding scale of endings, all the writers had to was throw a dart between that. But instead they thrown it so off the course that it begs the question of how should this show be analysed on rewatch bc it doesn’t make sense with the rules they set and shown us 

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41 minutes ago, shimshimae said:
 

@aisling please feel free to tag me in KJH posts or if the PAC squad is revived :joy:


come join us there! It would be nice to have more chinggus fangirling over him 

 

Till now, I have not watched the last Ep with subs, nor the spin-offs. I have no courage. :cries:

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Last time I was ever this mad with a kdrama was The K2. If anyone’s watched will know that the main male lead and the main villainess had such such an electrifying chemistry. Like honestly it was palpable to the point that everyone agreed that the main lead female lead was rendered useless like she was the equivalent of a wet painted wall drying. While I knew the lead and villainess weren’t going to get together, I still had my suspicions of how this was developing and searched for how it ended. Lo and behold, the villainess is shafted so hard despite arguably being the main star of the show. Like I quickly dropped the drama and never went back. 
 

I don’t know what with these writers but I can’t 

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