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5 minutes ago, joonminfan said:


come join us there! It would be nice to have more chinggus fangirling over him 

 

Till now, I have not watched the last Ep with subs, nor the spin-offs. I have no courage. :cries:

After I watched the finale live, I didn't feel the need to re-watch it with subs (I lost all interest) - the spin-offs are definitely better, go ahead and watch them :)

Will join you guys at KJH thread :D

4 minutes ago, tazmin said:

Last time I was ever this mad with a kdrama was The K2. If anyone’s watched will know that the main male lead and the main villainess had such such an electrifying chemistry. Like honestly it was palpable to the point that everyone agreed that the main lead female lead was rendered useless like she was the equivalent of a wet painted wall drying. While I knew the lead and villainess weren’t going to get together, I still had my suspicions of how this was developing and searched for how it ended. Lo and behold, the villainess is shafted so hard despite arguably being the main star of the show. Like I quickly dropped the drama and never went back. 
 

I don’t know what with these writers but I can’t 

I think it's the problem of breaking barriers culturally in a conservative societal set-up - at least that's the explanation I give myself - they are willing to push the boundaries but not break the barriers as they did with Mr. Queen. Sigh

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Watching it with subs made the final episode even worse.   I’m so tired of people saying So Bong was only influenced by So Yong’s emotions and feelings. You people had your happy generic het

1 minute ago, shimshimae said:

After I watched the finale live, I didn't feel the need to re-watch it with subs (I lost all interest) - the spin-offs are definitely better, go ahead and watch them :)

Will join you guys at KJH thread :D


I love the spin-offs too

1st one was funny
2nd one really ease the pain - felt much better @shimshimae  though I feel :tears: for Chef Jang
 

 

 

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17 minutes ago, shimshimae said:

After I watched the finale live, I didn't feel the need to re-watch it with subs (I lost all interest) - the spin-offs are definitely better, go ahead and watch them :)

Will join you guys at KJH thread :D

I think it's the problem of breaking barriers culturally in a conservative societal set-up - at least that's the explanation I give myself - they are willing to push the boundaries but not break the barriers as they did with Mr. Queen. Sigh

Maybe one day a drama will break the barriers with a team willing to bear the brunt but who knows when that’ll happen.
 

In the K2, the villainess was significantly older than the male lead so I’m sure it wouldn’t have gone well if they got together or it developed far more than it did 

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I love the chemistry between BI and SY, but I also like the chemistry

between the King and BH/SY...

I dont know how thats possible because its the same actress.  :D:sweatingbullets:

 

 

 

that was a beautiful scene...

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@shimshimae @Min2206 I think I may watch last Ep with subs because I want to re-watch the parts with the King confronting KJG and taking back his throne, the scene where the King cried because of SY and their baby, and the one where he was punishing (?) the corrupt ministers. I didn’t understand a word he said, but he was so upright and just and passionate and commanding.. wow.. I really need to watch that part again.

 

gonna go find the spin-offs to watch. Are they all available with subs already?

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10 minutes ago, joonminfan said:

@shimshimae @Min2206 I think I may watch last Ep with subs because I want to re-watch the parts with the King confronting KJG and taking back his throne, the scene where the King cried because of SY and their baby, and the one where he was punishing (?) the corrupt ministers. I didn’t understand a word he said, but he was so upright and just and passionate and commanding.. wow.. I really need to watch that part again.

 

gonna go find the spin-offs to watch. Are they all available with subs already?

oh yes - all those are amazing scenes - it's just I don't have the heart to inflict another dose of pain on myself :joy:- so left the episode and yes, the spin-offs are subbed. :) just google or look up on any famous site 

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11 minutes ago, joonminfan said:

@shimshimae @Min2206 I think I may watch last Ep with subs because I want to re-watch the parts with the King confronting KJG and taking back his throne, the scene where the King cried because of SY and their baby, and the one where he was punishing (?) the corrupt ministers. I didn’t understand a word he said, but he was so upright and just and passionate and commanding.. wow.. I really need to watch that part again.

 

gonna go find the spin-offs to watch. Are they all available with subs already?

YEs, they are available with subs .. therefore I could understand and felt better.
Please do watch how the King claimed back his throne - his expression and determination, and the part when he had to leave the injured Queen , that was touching.

 

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18 minutes ago, tazmin said:

Maybe one day a drama will break the barriers with a team willing to bear the brunt but who knows when that’ll happen.
 

In the K2, the villainess was significantly older than the male lead so I’m sure it wouldn’t have gone well if they got together or it developed far more than it did 

yeah - but I think sort of off-topic from this drama thread - the older-female/younger-male pairing dramas are also somewhat common in kdramaland - I was somewhat surprised at that - it's confusing lol 

33 minutes ago, Min2206 said:


I love the spin-offs too

1st one was funny
2nd one really ease the pain - felt much better @shimshimae  though I feel :tears: for Chef Jang

 

yeah - the second episode gave us some closure - and another kiss - lol why didn't they kiss properly :joy: 
and chingu @Min2206 I still feel the pain of both CJ/BH characters not getting their due :tears:

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@joonminfan

You should watch the finale to get it out from your system. Acting wise, they were amazing albeit leaving a bitter aftertaste. I love the scene where CJ turned pale and feels hopeless at the sight of SY screaming in pains and in the verge of losing the baby. His agony was so raw and I can feel the depth of his love to His Queen. Another impressive scene for me is when SY was fixing his unbuttoned king robe and told him to finishes his business with him so reluctant to leaves her. Simple gesture but it's simply beautiful more intimate than those making out in a way...

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12 minutes ago, shimshimae said:

yeah - but I think sort of off-topic from this drama thread - the older-female/younger-male pairing dramas are also somewhat common in kdramaland - I was somewhat surprised at that - it's confusing lol 

yeah - the second episode gave us some closure - and another kiss - lol why didn't they kiss properly :joy: 
and chingu @Min2206 I still feel the pain of both CJ/BH characters not getting their due :tears:


Time will heal, unless you re-watch the drama one day.  Just focus on your fav parts.  I am okay now.  
May I ask would there be any more spin-offs - just these 2 episodes?

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1 minute ago, Min2206 said:


Time will heal, unless you re-watch the drama one day.  Just focus on the part which you want to see.    I am okay now.  
May I ask would there be any more spin-offs - just these 2 episodes?

oh yes :) - I'll be okay too in a while 
As far as I know, only two episodes :( 

2 minutes ago, cenching said:

@joonminfan

You should watch the finale to get it out from your system. Acting wise, they were amazing albeit leaving a bitter aftertaste. I love the scene where CJ turned pale and feels hopeless at the sight of SY screaming in pains and in the verge of losing the baby. His agony was so raw and I can feel the depth of his love to His Queen. Another impressive scene for me is when SY was fixing his unbuttoned king robe and told him to finishes his business with him so reluctant to leaves her. Simple gesture but it's simply beautiful more intimate than those making out in a way...

these two are very powerful scenes - I hope SHS and KJH get all those famed acting awards :partyblob:

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Just now, shimshimae said:

oh yes :) - I'll be okay too in a while 
As far as I know, only two episodes :( 


geez.. I was hoping for more :tears:  thank you @shimshimae  Glad to get to know you here through Mr Queen, through this couple.   Hehe

:heartxoxo:

Hugs! 

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Mr. Queen: Episodes 19-20 Open Thread (Final)

by missvictrix

 

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The finale is here! As we follow our king and queen through their final battle at maximum intensity, we also find a resolution to our story. Though the details are not explained, the ending stitches together in a way that’s both exciting and satisfying. It’s rare that finale episodes are the best, but these were surely my favorite of the show’s run.

 

 
EPISODES 19-20 WEECAP

 

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A fierce and terrifying Byung-in has So-yong by the neck. But rather than jump off the cliff a la Cheoljong, and rather than die at Byung-in’s hands, he has mercy on her just in time. Though he realizes she’s not his So-yong, the memories that are in her are enough for him, and he winds up back on the queen’s side, and fighting off the men who once answered to him.

I’ve been interested in Byung-in’s part in this story from the beginning, so I enjoyed how long of a stretch is given to wrapping up his story. In the end, he comes full circle, having begun with this secret/devoted love of her, to have that morph into anger and jealousy, only to have it turn back to loving devotion in the end. I do love that.

 

Byung-in protects So-yong till the end, gives her the evidence she needs to prove treason, and dies a beautifully heroic and soldierly death in order to protect her.

 

https://www.dramabeans.com/2021/02/mr-queen-episodes-19-20-open-thread-final/

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6 hours ago, cdcotr said:

This is the 3rd time I'll be typing this bec I don't know how but it disappeared before I could hit post. :crybaby:

I just wanted to bring up something that stuck with me from the beginning and was never adequately explained. It was brought up in previous page..

It was how SY acted in the palace, punishing maids, court ladies, eunuchs and maybe even kids as they were shown to be scared of her.  She had them punished even for minor if not non-existent faults. 

GQD mentioned that she might have done that to get out of being chosen as queen. Though it was never explicitly confirmed.

If this was her plan, it was cruel. and ineffective.

She was vicious and punished innocent people to get out of something she agreed to do.

 

She could have asked her father to take her home.  He seemed to dote on her and spoil her even if he might neglect her.  Or she could have pretended to be sick, or even pretend to have a lover.

Schemes that would not involve hurting other people who could not fight back.

 

Besides, being cruel would not have deterred the GQD, KJG, the ministers as they are all cruel and vicious  too.  They wouldn't care. All they wanted is to use her to control CJ and boost their power in the court.

They would not have let her go for anything short of being infertile or being caught having an affair (maybe a rumor would do).

But her choice to ruin her chances by being cruel and hurting innocent people, instead of taking a more drastic and risky to herself plan (but would be more effective)...well...tells me something of her character.

 

 

Regarding Soyong's bad behavior, I believe she was acting. She was acting to be cruel for her to be dethroned. Cause if she truly was cruel, do you think Hongyeon would loyally stay by her side and cry for her? I believe that she would not think highly of Soyong if her real nature was truly cruel. But that didnt happen, Hongyeon was the one who truly knows her. She was the one who told Bong Hwan about the queen's cruel deeds but she defended her and told him that its not her real character.

 

Anyways moving on... 

 

The reason why I was not that hurt about the ending are as follows: ( just a little bit disappointed by the loose ends of the drama)

 

*Before the famous ep 7, I didnt see Bong Hwan and Cheoljong as potential love interests because Bong Hwan is definitely straight without a hint of any inclinations to men. I did wonder about CJ's  feelings for So Yong though because in Episode 3 (or 2?) just before he went and tried to kill the queen, Prince YP told him that he should not be distracted by his personal feelings for the queen. That they needed to kill the queen despite what he may feel (or something like that). So when I saw that, I was like, does CJ feel something for the queen but just hid it because they are enemies? So yeah, as early as episode 3 (or 2 haha srsly I dont remember), I already suspected that the King feels something for the queen before Bonghwan came in. 

 

*After SoBong woke up from the vegetative state, I always viewed Bong Hwan and So Y

 

6 hours ago, cdcotr said:

This is the 3rd time I'll be typing this bec I don't know how but it disappeared before I could hit post. :crybaby:

I just wanted to bring up something that stuck with me from the beginning and was never adequately explained. It was brought up in previous page..

It was how SY acted in the palace, punishing maids, court ladies, eunuchs and maybe even kids as they were shown to be scared of her.  She had them punished even for minor if not non-existent faults. 

GQD mentioned that she might have done that to get out of being chosen as queen. Though it was never explicitly confirmed.

If this was her plan, it was cruel. and ineffective.

She was vicious and punished innocent people to get out of something she agreed to do.

 

She could have asked her father to take her home.  He seemed to dote on her and spoil her even if he might neglect her.  Or she could have pretended to be sick, or even pretend to have a lover.

Schemes that would not involve hurting other people who could not fight back.

 

Besides, being cruel would not have deterred the GQD, KJG, the ministers as they are all cruel and vicious  too.  They wouldn't care. All they wanted is to use her to control CJ and boost their power in the court.

They would not have let her go for anything short of being infertile or being caught having an affair (maybe a rumor would do).

But her choice to ruin her chances by being cruel and hurting innocent people, instead of taking a more drastic and risky to herself plan (but would be more effective)...well...tells me something of her character.

 

 

Regarding Soyong's bad behavior, I believe she was acting. She was acting to be cruel for her to be dethroned. Cause if she truly was cruel, do you think Hongyeon would loyally stay by her side and cry for her? I believe that she would not think highly of Soyong if her real nature was truly cruel. But that didnt happen, Hongyeon was the one who truly knows her. She was the one who told Bong Hwan about the queen's cruel deeds but she defended her and told him that its not her real character.

 

Anyways moving on... 

 

The reason why I was not that hurt about the ending are as follows: ( just a little bit disappointed by the loose ends of the drama)

 

*Before the famous ep 7, I didnt see Bong Hwan and Cheoljong as potential love interests because Bong Hwan is definitely straight without a hint of any inclinations to men. I did wonder about CJ's  feelings for So Yong though because in Episode 3 (or 2?) just before he went and tried to kill the queen, Prince YP told him that he should not be distracted by his personal feelings for the queen. That they needed to kill the queen despite what he may feel (or something like that). So when I saw that, I was like, does CJ feel something for the queen but just hid it because they are enemies? So yeah, as early as episode 3 (or 2 haha srsly I dont remember), I already suspected that the King feels something for the queen before Bonghwan came in. 

 

*After SoBong woke up from the vegetative state, I always viewed Bong Hwan and So Yong as one soul. (Cause I really thought they are going for the reincarnation route) I saw them as equals, I never thought that Bong Hwan dominated the body, or SoYong sometimes take over because I truly believed they are one. Maybe the thought process is only BongHwan because he believes that he is Bong Hwan but in reality she is not only him. SoBong as what we call her is SoYong +BongHwan ; they moved as one unit. And there was even a scene where SoBong talked about SoYong's memories as if it were hers. Sobong was just in denial thats why he/she rejected SoYong's memories and identity as hers. Cause the nature of man and woman inside him/her clashed.

Anyways thats what I believed after Sobong woke up. I never saw the queen as Bong Hwan or So Yong separately, so I dont feel like So Yong took all the credit that should be Bong Hwan's. I felt like what all Bong Hwan did, she did also.

 

*I am still a strong supporter of the reincarnation theory. That Bong Hwan is So Yong's reincarnation. It was never clarified in the drama but who knows right? They even hinted on "next life" in the spin offs. In my mind, Bong Hwan will meet Cheol Jong's reincarnation in the future and then they will fall in love again or something like that. I love reading fanfics soooo. hahaha

 

*everyone got a happy ending and I believe Bong Hwan was truly haooy. I do believe the ending was rushed cause they couldve explained more about the time travel/soul swapping or whatnot; but nevertheless I love everything in Mr. Queen including the ending. Though I feel sorry for Bong Hwan because he got separated from CJ and the others But thats why I believe in my imagination that he will meet the reincarnation of CJ and the others in the present time. Who knows right?.

 

anyways thats just my opinion.

 

Thank you every one!

 

 

 

i will still rewatch from episode 1! i love this drama to pieces.

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The more I think about it the more I’m convinced the spin-off was served as the justification for So Yong/Cheoljong endgame. I find it highly suspicious they didn’t include their first dreamy meeting if the meeting was so impactful for both of them. 
 

I find it ridiculous when people say Cheoljong had feelings for So Yong from the start. He saw her for 2 minutes and people think he loved her? He was intrigued by her beauty and familiarity. If he truly loved her like he loved So Bong, would he be able to put the sword on her neck like he did in episode 3?

 

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3 hours ago, cenching said:

@xprosperity @yumeaki @realistic2280a

The writers were having fun writing about SB right until episode 19 and a half after that they were hit by whatever realization so they had to take an U turn. That's why I said they did SY down and dirty.

 

 

Hehe.. im not sure...in my view, we all know that SB had to go bk to the future, to his future self and not be stuck in the past.

 

SY's soul is alive and well; it is just a matter of time that she took over/back her body. How it is being done, im not sure but apprently she has to be severely injured and for CJ to be half way dead (maybe) for that to happen. 

 

I didnt think the ending was executed nicely, there were a lot of loopholes, among them the queen's super baby or fetus who will never ever be miscarried even though the mother walked hundreds of kilometers to find its father, sleeping in freezing forest, being stabbed and cured within a day despite the heavy bleeding...yeah that's CJ's baby allright... haha

 

But well, in the end, it all end nicely.. let's move on people... im still curious if the chinese version is worth to watch... :D

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4 minutes ago, aisling said:

The more I think about it the more I’m convinced the spin-off was served as the justification for So Yong/Cheoljong endgame. I find it highly suspicious they didn’t include their first dreamy meeting if the meeting was so impactful for both of them. 
 

I find it ridiculous when people say Cheoljong had feelings for So Yong from the start. He saw her for 2 minutes and people think he loved her? He was intrigued by her beauty and familiarity. If he truly loved her like he loved So Bong, would he be able to put the sword on her neck like he did in episode 3?

 

Had things ended slightly different they’d never been a need for spinoff. Like having CJ present in the modern era would’ve been enough. But they twisted or made things harder for themselves than it needs to be 

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Just now, aisling said:

The more I think about it the more I’m convinced the spin-off was served as the justification for So Yong/Cheoljong endgame. I find it highly suspicious they didn’t include their first dreamy meeting if the meeting was so impactful for both of them. 
 

I find it ridiculous when people say Cheoljong had feelings for So Yong from the start. He saw her for 2 minutes and people think he loved her? He was intrigued by her beauty and familiarity. If he truly loved her like he loved So Bong, would he be able to put the sword on her neck like he did in episode 3?

 

maybe not love her love her but isnt attraction the start of falling in love? Maybe it's not love but it was definitely something. These kdramas somewhat rely on fairytale-like plots and isnt "love at first sight" a device used by many fairy tales in the past? This drama's premise felt like Romeo and Juliet in sooo many ways. hahahha

 

Anyways I found this on fb to somewhat uplift our moods about the ending.

 

And I quote...

 

"For those of us wondering if CJ can still love So Yong without BH's soul, this is the actor's answer.

CJ loved the person in front of him. We are the only ones who know that there are two souls inside So Bong. He just loved the woman in front of him and always wanted to get to know her better. He loved the girl in the well. He loved the woman in the rain (spin-off). And he loved the queen with a man's soul. And now, that soul has left her, he will still love her and strive to get to know her better. As long as she is in front of him. That is my interpretation. Hehe.

"Even if you have the most flaws in the world, I will still like you." He said EVEN IF, not BECAUSE OF. He chooses to understand, accept and love his queen, no matter what she did, whether she is womanly or man-like. Hope you also find this kind of love that will always choose you. Lol!"

 

 

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57 minutes ago, realistic2280a said:

 

 

Hehe.. im not sure...in my view, we all know that SB had to go bk to the future, to his future self and not be stuck in the past.

 

SY's soul is alive and well; it is just a matter of time that she took over/back her body. How it is being done, im not sure but apprently she has to be severely injured and for CJ to be half way dead (maybe) for that to happen. 

 

I didnt think the ending was executed nicely, there were a lot of loopholes, among them the queen's super baby or fetus who will never ever be miscarried even though the mother walked hundreds of kilometers to find its father, sleeping in freezing forest, being stabbed and cured within a day despite the heavy bleeding...yeah that's CJ's baby allright... haha

 

But well, in the end, it all end nicely.. let's move on people... im still curious if the chinese version is worth to watch... :D

 

Obviously you didn't read majority of my comment here....:coolshades: Let me tell you one more time, since the beginning I was never have any expectation that SB-CJ is the endgame and I do believe that everything must be put back to it's respective places but the writers were the one didn't do justice and respect the characters they wrote themselves. They did SY-SB down and dirty. They cheapen her as a character, it's NOT about the ending itself but it's about how they executed it. My beef is with the writers NOT the characters.

 

 

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