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4 hours ago, larus said:

I think in real life that was not possible specially since Kim Jae Myung said all the time that he is innocent. At fist, I thought Young-Goon`s father confessed the crime to protect his son but he did not. He was framed and he knew it and said it.

 

We discussed in the thread few theories that could explain his condemnation and you're right  to underline that one of the big revelation of the last episodes that ended all theories was that he was claiming his innocence all this time but couldn't prove it. 

OSD with his ledger gave him an opportunity to negociate his probation but he didn't go out to catch up with his son specifically but like he said to HTJ to catch the man who ruined his life. 

 

4 hours ago, larus said:

Maybe it will be more clear when we find out more information about Chi Gwang. How and why he put the jacket on the washing machine. The circumstances are important for the bigger picture. Then we can explain why he did not say anything about the phone call. 

  

I agree with that: his motivations and state of mind 15 years ago are still a mystery for a large part. That's what it's hard to speculate more than we already did and beyond what he have seen fo far.

 

4 hours ago, larus said:

One thing is sure. The baddie mastermind  knew how to disband the team. Divide and conquer. When you start to mistrust your friends/colleagues, don`t trust anyone anymore.

The new anticorruption team is not strong. Young Goon and Tae Joo are suspecting Chi Gwang. I hope they will talk (even confront each other) and discover new elements/ evidence that will make them trust their leader. If the team is weak, they can`t catch the mastermind.

 

Indeed, he's not necessarily the most brilliant mind but he knows how to create confusion and make people's fools.

 

I think this new team has potential to not be used like the old one because like it has been well said  before in the thread by @40somethingahjummathey have different methods and style to resolve the crimes: KYG is the action man, JSY is the rational scientific who brings facts and evidences, DCK is the leader who uses his instinct to lead the investigation on the right path and HTJ  has a lot of ressources and can get all the infos from the bad guys because she has their trust.

They care about each other: DCK is very protective of KYG and of JSY too though he doesn't show it the same and he clearly looks for HTJ's opinion, KYG had a special relationship with HTJ who helped him to join the Police, and JSY and KYH have developped a kind of complicity.    

But they're not blinded by their bonds: rethinking about the screencap with  the quote from the sister of the criminal that was a ceo for a fake company , i think it could be also read  as criticism of extreme loyalty, as it seems that DCK had for KJM and KJM had for deputy commissioner Park before KYG's mother died.

 

KYG might turned all against DCK but i feel that HTJ has changed her mind about DCK 's responsability when she witnessed him being interrogated by deputy commissioner Park and JHR. Their obsession for the ledger and the fact that Park went as far to put KJM and DCK against each other might have ring an alarm bell for her.

 

Still cuts for ep 09!

 

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It's from this article 

‘왓쳐’ 슬픔에 잠긴 한석규vs망연자실 서강준, 장례식서 포착[오늘TV]

 

Google translation is bad but it's still give few clues about:

  • the team making a "definite" change
  • DCK and KYG facing new events that bring them closer to the truth
  • the episode being explosive for  KYG

All seems very worrying! :scream:

    

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26 minutes ago, titania1000 said:

I think this new team has potential to not be used like the old one because like it has been well said  before in the thread by @40somethingahjummathey have different methods and style to resolve the crimes: KYG is the action man, JSY is the rational scientific who brings facts and evidences, DCK is the leader who uses his instinct to lead the investigation on the right path and HTJ  has a lot of ressources and can get all the infos from the bad guys because she has their trust.

 

I agree that they have potential to be a great team but they have to adjust each other and trust each other. Not blindly but there has to be trust. Without trust in each other, they won`t go that far as a team.

Let see what we found out next. :)

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Caught up.

 

The ML is clearly not the murderer, YG is just confused/traumatised and seeing what he wants to see, they're not making it that easy this early on. I don't really like when shows have this storyline of trying to hint at someone being the guilty party when you 99% know it's not them as it destroys the tension/mood for me. There hasn't been enough ambiguity in the main lead for it to work effectively.

 

Think it's going to be the case but having the same person committing all the acts on the main characters over the years would be a bit underwhelming to me, unless the link between them all is somewhat interesting/complex and not a case of them investigating corrupt cops.

 

Also hope YG shows some kind of emotion in the next episode - I get that his childhood has led him to be reserved but I just need him to lose his richard simmons and beat people up for a bit. I know it's not that kind of show but they showed in the first episode or two that he was a good fighter so wouldn't mind some action scenes.

 

 

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D-day! B)

It means new pics and they show a lot of tension between everyone!

 

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18 hours ago, titania1000 said:

he murderer was watching the flat and went in to trap KMJ for the murder of his wife. But then, why not kill him? Because he was a cop?

 

I think that this is really important question to ask.  My guess would be that the murderer did not kill KMJ because he wanted him to suffer.  And then we have to ask why the murderer thought KMJ should suffer.

 

I still believe that Yeom could be behind this, especially if she were trying to revenge herself for any ill treatment in the workplace.  When she was a younger cop, the police force would have been much more like a "men's den" and she would have had to fight her way to the top. 

 

And despite a poster comment about us all being wrong in our theories and about there being a watcher, I also believe that there is someone Watching our team.  In fact, I think that there may be both an evil someone and another someone who could be trying to help set things right.

 

3 hours ago, titania1000 said:

It means new pics and they show a lot of tension between everyone!

 

Thanks for all the great pictures!

 

I hesitate to mention this but where is our lawyer in the fourth picture?  (It's the first spoiler tagged one.)  Those gold things on the wall look suspicious.  Okay, maybe they are just feathers or something but when I saw them, my only thought was that they look precisely like.....well, never mind.  ;)

 

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Have you guys watched ep9? 

 

I watched the preview for ep10 and looks like something going on between YG and DCK. Like they are fighting. I just have to wait tomorrow for the eng sub 

 

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3 hours ago, thistle said:

I think that this is really important question to ask.  My guess would be that the murderer did not kill KMJ because he wanted him to suffer.  And then we have to ask why the murderer thought KMJ should suffer.

 

Could it be like @bebebisous33 said because as a cop of the same team he was jealous of him, overshadowed by KMJ's reputation and wanted to ruin his fame by making him a murderer who everyone would despise for killing his wife, even his own son?

 

Either that or the other way: if the killer was close to him and respected him, he might have felt hesitation in killing him and sending him to jail was the best way to get ride of him without hurting him physically. 

 

3 hours ago, thistle said:

I hesitate to mention this but where is our lawyer in the fourth picture?  (It's the first spoiler tagged one.)  Those gold things on the wall look suspicious.  Okay, maybe they are just feathers or something but when I saw them, my only thought was that they look precisely like.....well, never mind.  ;)

 

I just finished watching live and she was in someone else's flat: i can't reveal who because it would be too spoilerish.

But it didn't seem tthat the art frame was suspicious though there was clearly something wrong about this place.

 

But OMG! The end!:tears: 

An even more the promo for next episode! :bawling:

 

 

 

Clips for ep 9:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Quick recap

  • After he was interrogated by JHR, DCK returned to KYG's flat and was sitting calmly in the kitchen until JSY went back home. After she left the place, he started searching the appartment in a frenetic way, throwing everything to the ground. KYG came back to his home at that exact moment. JSY was following him to try to convince him to go somewhere else for the night. KYG and DCK had a confrontation but i couldn't understand what was DCK looking for. The ledger?
  • HTJ came to KYG's home to comfort him but he lashed out at her: he's angry against everyone.
  • The funeral is being held in a long sequence: everyone comes except DCK and JHR.:angry:
  • JSY,  HTJ and Jae Sik and DC Park even join KYG for the preparation of his father's body for the cremation.:tears:
  • There's clearly a connection between commissioner Yeom and JSY: at the funeral, when the commissioner entered the room to burn encens for KMJ, the camera showed quickly JSY who was eating in the next room with HTJ and Jae Sik. Same when the commissioner left the room: the camera came back to JSY for few quick seconds.
  • After everyone is gone, DCK showed up finally! I was so angered by his absence,  especially after he showed so much concern for KYG. 
  • There's very few dialogues in all those emotional scenes: the actors used a lot their body for playing their emotions, and there's also more instrumental music.  
  • DCK got a a disciplinary punishment and must leave the team.
  • KYG receives a call and a new case starts. 
  • To find a way to start to investigate the new case,  he calls JSY and later HTJ and Jae Sik who shows his talent to open doors without the code.
  • A lot of forensic investigation is done on the new crime scene.   
  • JHR is pressuring Jae Sik into betraying HTJ.
  • They seemed to have moved on so quickly on a new case: who is doing the investigation for KMJ's death?
  • The episode ends on a major clue being found by KYG in the new case: of course it seems to lead to DCK!:tears:     
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1 hour ago, thistle said:

 

I think that this is really important question to ask.  My guess would be that the murderer did not kill KMJ because he wanted him to suffer.  And then we have to ask why the murderer thought KMJ should suffer.

 

I still believe that Yeom could be behind this, especially if she were trying to revenge herself for any ill treatment in the workplace.  When she was a younger cop, the police force would have been much more like a "men's den" and she would have had to fight her way to the top. 

 

And despite a poster comment about us all being wrong in our theories and about there being a watcher, I also believe that there is someone Watching our team.  In fact, I think that there may be both an evil someone and another someone who could be trying to help set things right.

 

 

When we think ah we know what's going on, suddenly the story goes the other way. The writer is trying to confuse us at first thinking DCK could be a bad cop, then no he is a good cop. Then suddenly, the story is going all around. 

YG having bad thoughts of DCK. I don't know what Lawyer Han thinks of DCK but she doesn't believe him. 

I don't know how they are going to work together if they all don't trust one another.

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JHR is definitely working with the thumb killer therefore JHR will manipulate YG against DCK. 

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38 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

JHR is definitely working with the thumb killer therefore JHR will manipulate YG against DCK. 

 

I totally agree that he must be involved with him: he was involved in the 6  cases where the criminals disappeared and later their bodies showed up at the same place with their thumb cut, it can't be a coincidence.

 

Also i want to add that i wonder if KYG's phone hasn't been bugged by the killer: we got a long shots of his phone each time someone is calling him and each time he's calling JSY especially.

Someone has noticed how important infos are leaked when KYG and JSY try to act or to prevent something but this time, it's only after he suspected that a crime was committed that he called her. When he received a call, it was late at night and nobody could have known where he was going and yet the killer acted before him. 

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1 hour ago, titania1000 said:

I just finished watching live and she was in someone else's flat: i can't reveal who because it would be too spoilerish.

But it didn't seem tthat the art frame was suspicious though there was clearly something wrong about this place.

 

I haven't seen the episode yet.  And I really, really, really love spoilers.  In fact, I would rather watch an episode when I have been spoiled.  ;)

 

But I guess I have to say those gold items reminded me of two things:

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  1.  thumb
  2. penis

This made me wonder why a whole bunch of them would be in a frame as art.  I realize that the items are probably feathers but my first impression was that the image was a bit "in your face" and suggestive--like something that would belong to someone who likes to control and threaten.

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finally i'm caught up with the latest episodes. I'm kind of sad that they had to kill YG dad. But in the plot wise it makes sense. 

the higher ups are involved.  

 

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54 minutes ago, thistle said:

 

I haven't seen the episode yet.  And I really, really, really love spoilers.  In fact, I would rather watch an episode when I have been spoiled.  ;)

 

But I guess I have to say those gold items reminded me of two things:

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  2. penis

This made me wonder why a whole bunch of them would be in a frame as art.  I realize that the items are probably feathers but my first impression was that the image was a bit "in your face" and suggestive--like something that would belong to someone who likes to control and threaten.

 

Oups! i forgot that you love spoilers!:sweatingbullets:

It's Baek Song Yi's appartment: the ceo sister of one the 6 criminals found buried in the field. She was called by KMJ after he was released and she had something to share about this conversation with KYG but suddenly disappeared without leaving any trace. Her home was left perfectly neat and cleaned.

It seems indeed like a strange work of art to  pick and i agree it didn't fit at all the rest of the flat but nobody seemed to notice it. 

Maybe BSY doesn't have good taste?:mrgreen:

 

Edit to add this : ep 10 will break my heart... again!:bawling:

 

 

It's only me or the way she looks at her thumb is disturbing, almost scary?

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@thistle Honestly, I had been thinking about that too

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if this theory is correct (the symbolism behind the thumb), then this leads me to the conclusion that the thumb killer is a 

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woman. Because cutting the thumb represents a sort of castration so that they become powerless: loss of manhood. Yes, the thumb killer cut the thumb of a woman, HTJ. However, HTJ thinks like a man due to her cunning strategies and her boldness. She is as strong as a man. She even anticipated an accident. She has no problem to traumatize someone in order to achieve her goal. A woman is supposed to be more sensitive and less ruthless. 

That's why Yeom is a strong suspect because she hasn't a good reputation. She didn't get good grades from HMJ and the latter barely remembered her. 

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1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

That's why Yeom is a strong suspect because she hasn't a good reputation. She didn't get good grades from HMJ and the latter barely remembered her. 

 

You have hit the nail on the head about my theory about that "art" and the thumbs.  As far as I can see, the image is inescapable.

 

I wondered if Yeom might have a very strong anti-male bias, as she certainly  might do if she had to fight her way through an impenetrable hierarchy in a traditionally male line of work. 

 

2 hours ago, titania1000 said:

It's only me or the way she looks at her thumb is disturbing, almost scary?

 

It's not just you.  She looks at her thumb in a way that is almost sexual.  It's like it gives her a sense of pleasure or power or both.  And it seems like she is celebrating it with that ring, as well as disguising it.  I'm still not sure that our lawyer is all good.

 

Thanks for the spoilers! :wub:

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LO and I got take out and just finished watching...

 

Commissioner Yeom's a threatening piece of work! I am still not convinced that she is the killer but @bebebisous33 you have convinced LO. My own reasoning is that in all of the killings a lot of physical strength is required, especially the torture of Dad--and when the killer pointed the gun at KYG it was a man's outline. So I'm still for DC Park. -- I think he has a lot of guilt about Dad's death which is why he helped at the service. I do think that Yeom is on the ledger though and willing to kill for it... weird that she came to a disgraced cop's memorial.

 

Urgh the shoes :tears:.

 

Another thought, it wasn't Baek Song Yi's voice that KYG heard but that of another woman. It was used to lure him to the scene as a decoy of some kind... probs to get the investigation team in there to do a thorough scan of the place... And I think that we know for sure that he (and others) are being bugged/watched(hehehe) because of the constant updates being given to JHR. Personally, I still think that JHR is being set up as the fall guy for the higher ups. He is definitely a dirty cop and on the ledger but I don't think he knows who the killer is...

 

Final thought from LO... HTJ is going to be the most upset person when we find out who the killer is. Since he is on board the Yeom train, he thinks she will be devastated to learn it is her friend who cut off her thumb etc. 

Final thought from me... DCK will end up in jail. He (probably) fabricated evidence that put dad behind bars and helped cover up stuff in the past... perhaps was involved with threatening and beating up witnesses to get confessions... he just thought he was doing his job but...

 

Anyway. I am really going to miss this show... I'm already afraid that we are getting closer to the ending. 
(see everyone tomorrow!)

 

 

1 hour ago, thistle said:

Thanks for the spoilers! :wub:

 

@thistle I'm glad I'm not the only one who loves spoilers!!! 

 

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I love this man , can they please give him more scene :joy::lol:

 

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3 Crucial Questions That Will Be Answered In The 2nd Half Of “Watcher”

Aug 4, 2019
by L. Kim

 

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Watcher,” will open its second act with suspense!

The OCN weekend drama follows Do Chi Kwang (Han Suk Kyu), Kim Young Goon (Seo Kang Joon), and Han Tae Joo (Kim Hyun Joo) chasing after a mysterious incident. The three of them have a tragic past incident that ties them together, and they team up together to root out corruption in the police force.

With no one to believe and nothing that can be predicted, keen attention is being paid to the second half of the drama, and the production crew pointed out the key points to anticipate as the drama spirals towards the ending.

What is the truth of the scandal from 15 years ago that shook the investigation team?

The tragic event from 15 years ago rocked the lives of Do Chi Kwang, Kim Young Goon, and Han Tae Joo, and the truth of the past that is revealed as they dig deeper into the current case is confusing them. Everyone knew that Kim Jae Myung (Ahn Kil Kang), a corrupt police officer, had been serving 15 years in prison after killing his wife. The case, however, fell into a limbo as even Kim Jae Myung had his thumb cut and was murdered. Han Tae Joo, who was conducting a re-investigation from seven years ago with suspicions over the Kim Jae Myung case, also had her thumb cut by an unidentified man.

more https://www.soompi.com/article/1343212wpp/3-crucial-questions-that-will-be-answered-in-the-2nd-half-of-watcher

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Wow! After watching ep9, I really don't know what to say.

 

Do YG believed in DCK or not? I believed Lawyer Han is very very selfish. With her revenge, she didn't thought of others. When a good person who hell bent on revenge, does she/he thinks he/she will be forever good? Definitely Lawyer Han also has been corrupted with her thoughts and action on revenge.

 

I am not so sure of DCK... He looks like he is a good cop but he could have done bad things or mistakes in the past and wants to do the right thing. 

 

I feel soo bad for YG in ep9, he looks soo sad after loosing his only parent. Now we know why his father wanted to come out from prison. He had heart problem and he knew he won't be alive that long that's why he decided to come out for two reasons. For his son and find out the truth of his wife's death.

 

 

If you read the last paragraph, looks like more interesting event is going to happen. We can see that from ep10 preview.

 

https://www.soompi.com/article/1343212wpp/3-crucial-questions-that-will-be-answered-in-the-2nd-half-of-watcher

The production crew shared, “The truth of the past, which has been scattered throughout the current events, will start to come together. Please wait and see what kind of choices the corruption investigation team will make while surrounded by a mix of truth and falsehood. The surprise is only beginning. We hope you will look forward to the second act, which will present a more elaborate suspense.”

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