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Nice reading soo many comments and we can share our thoughts together.

 

I don't believe in the rating as in one day, there are many dramas are airing at the same time so the audiences would watch one drama and the other dramas, they would definitely watch the repeat. 

So the rating you can't say just because many people watch that particular drama, other dramas are not popular or not interesting. 

 

For me, I'm watching Justice, Class of lies and Doctor Detective. So I have to time myself to watch three dramas in one day as all these three are aired almost the same time. 

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can’t wait for mr cool :joy: 

Yeah chill baby , all these shady people around you make you bother & hot :mrgreen: 

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An evil mastermind indeed :joy::mrgreen:

 

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On 7/25/2019 at 2:04 AM, titania1000 said:

It was so dense and good! The drama is really taking off!B)

I can't wait to read your thoughts!

 

Let me preface first that it's mainly questions and observations~ Trying to figure the whole picture out is hard haha so I'm enjoying reading everyone's theories here.

 

On 7/25/2019 at 2:04 AM, titania1000 said:

I think everyone seems to understand her goal: it's pretty clear she wants only to catch the guy who tortured her and killed her husband.

It's the way she uses the team to get there which is confusing: like you said it seems "convoluted" and "haphazard".

She greenlighted the plan to use her office and then stopped brutally the negociation and teamed with the CEO to kill OSD. 

But then it was revealed that it was fake and that she gave the team the tip about the coming attack against OSD. 

Attacked that it was also revealed  that she planned with Young Goon's father to help OSD and got a lever against the CEO.

And there's also the part where she went behind DCK's back and teamed up with KYG to unearth if DCK is a corrupted cop, going as far as accusing him of killing her husband and KYG's mother.:crazy:

DCK didn't lie when he said that she likes to complicate things for nothing!:lol:  

 

The way she goes from trusting to not trusting is really too fast! I wish she could calm down a little bit: KYG said she used to listen before making assumptions. It would have be good if she went to DCK directly to get his explanation on his meeting with of the CEO of Muil.

He's not any cop but the one with who she made this team. He stated clearly that he cares about what she wants, but he's just afraid to lose more people and wants to think the consequences before taking any action.

But obviously the writer used this conflict to create the plot, so i can't really blame her for doing what the plot commands! :P

 

Agree with your description of Taejoo! She moves very fast, 'changing sides' like lightning. (Even PSY acknowledges it in Ep06 - saying she's quick-witted, but not credible haha) Which makes it quite confusing for the viewer to follow, and like you said, DCK was right in saying she likes to complicate things :D

 

At the same time, I feel for her and respect her too. To come out even stronger from losing her husband and almost having her thumb cut off 7 years ago is no mean feat. Though not without losses too - how she became selfish (as she herself acknowledged in her convo with Young-goon at his house) and unfeeling after the incident. Young-goon mentioned in Ep02 how she would wait for him to speak first 15 years ago, but she'd changed since then.

 

I think she's getting more emotional as she gets closer to finding the thumb killer. I'm not sure if her moving so fast from trusting to not trusting as you mentioned, may mean she's getting more unstable. She's also still receiving psychiatric treatment. What will she do when she finally finds the murderer? Wondering if she'll take revenge (into her own hands...) or finally be able to just seek resolution.

 

This short scene in Ep06 felt poignant to me too:

 

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She's always seemed so cold and unfeeling, and very businesslike so far, but this scene showed to me that she still has emotions, likely suppressed inside while she keeps her cool outside and relentlessly searches for whoever did that to her 7 years ago.

 

On 7/25/2019 at 2:04 AM, titania1000 said:

I think that KJM was leading his own corruption ring and that he got double crossed when suspicions emerged that he was leaking informations to DCK. 

Either he was DCK's informer (i don't believe it's true based on his cold and estranged interactions with DCK in ep 5 and 6), and his wife was killed as a threat to keep him silent. Then he knows the murderer but didn't reveal the truth to protect his son's life.

Or either he was double crossed by someone very close to him: my theory is that KYG's mother was DCK's informer and was on the phone with him the night she died. She failed to give the evidences needed which prompted DCK to make fake ones (that's why he entered the appartment that night). And she was killed either by her husband or one of his corrupted associates. 

 

I think it's more interesting if after making us doubt KJM's responsability in the murder of his wife, the writer confirmed it in a last bold twist! My intuition tells me after the last episodes that KYG's memory was never in fact fuzzy and what he described was the truth.

It's possible that after the trial of his father and the burial, he let go partially of his memory of the events as a defense mechanism to survive, and that's why he's now confused (and confusing us). He tried to reach his father after the trial and was rejected: he might stll feel  guilty for denoucing him and possibly holding on the wish he made a mistake despite the appearances. 

 

But i admit that there's even more clues in the drama for KJM not being her killer: he showed concern about DCK's sincerity on protecting his son and he seemed himself sincere about it.

 

Which leaves another  major suspect that tried hard to look like a subordinate without agency: PSY.

It can't be a coincidence that he has the same  scar than HTJ. What if he did to her was what was done to him to force him to cooperate at one point but things went out of control with her husband?        

 

 

Still continuing on my theory: if  KYG's mother died because of his investigation, because he wasn't careful enough, i can imagine the devastation, regrets and guilt  he went through.

That would explain his fear to take more risks  and his obsession to save lives. It could explain why he became too so secretive.  

 

I like your theories! There was definitely some betrayal between KJM/DCK, with DCK saying he shouldn't have trusted him back then and KJM saying he doesn't trust DCK now :lol: Of the 5, the missing senior that DCK was talking about is probably also a key player in this, I think the show will delve into him soon, can't wait to find out more.

 

Re: Young-goon's memories of that night - people in DC have been debating quite a lot on it too. The glimpses we've seen so far seem to be from different angles, with some things different here and there, showing the fuzziness of YG's memories. There was this one angle (I can't find the pic now :( ) that seemed to show the killer with clothes similar to what DCK was wearing that night - so it may be him too. But YG currently remembers the killer as his father too...In any case, I think we can be sure he did not actually witness his mom being killed. He only saw the aftermath....KJM or DCK or whoever else could have just been 'planted' there as a scapegoat. As to who's the real mastermind, I really can't figure it out for now will leave to you all smarter ones who can better figure it out :)

 

(Just a sidetrack too that this reminds me of the drama Defendant too, in which the real killer was someone else haha)

 

For PSY, I don't think he would do that to HTJ. From his talk with DCK in the tunnel, it seems the incident also affected/traumatised him quite greatly. I doubt he would do the same thing to someone else. He also seemed genuinely surprised (doesn't seem like he knew her before) when they met in her office in Ep05. I could be totally wrong haha but that's how I think right now.

 

On 7/25/2019 at 2:42 AM, tinymel said:

It is making me more convinced that the actual bad guy is Director Park... especially after the conversation with Dad. Mainly because if Dad knows that deputy commissioner Park is the real bad guy then Dad can get away with asking for something *really*, *really* big like parole. Also DC Park has been overlooked for promotion and has to answer to a younger woman (though I don't think her sex matters). I like the idea that DO Park is setting JHR up as the fall guy. 'Yeah! Go investigate him!' Plausible deniability and all that.

 

People in DC are speculating quite lot on Director Park too! This corruption case is definitely bigger than just the 5 key people in that investigation team 15 years ago, I believe too that the real mastermind must be someone very senior in the police force who has a lot of power and is hard to take down. It'll be interesting if it turns out to be the female commissioner!

 

Am really enjoying everyone's posts and theories here so far too! Fun to see the variety of theories and how we all perceive things differently :)

 

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On 7/23/2019 at 2:11 PM, Lawyerh said:

Ok anyway doesn't matter whos the bad guy here... but KYG need his beauty touch up first :joy:

 

If he stops being pretty, we'll lose half of the audience!

So the production should totally continue to prove to us how they take a good care of  the perfect skin of this precious bean!  :mrgreen:

 

On 7/23/2019 at 2:59 PM, triplem said:

. Dad being released on parole will be a game changer.

 

It's a massive twist!:w00t:B)

 i can't wait to see how it will shift all the alliances and loyalties to have out the only character that knows everything but won't talk! 

However i wonder how long he will survive outside. I fear that the real killer (if it's not him) has become so reckless that he won't be afraid of him  and it could be a way to make DCK  take the fall,  especially now that HTJ and KYG doesn't believe anymore (in appareance  at least) that KJM killed his wife, and started to suspect him instead.

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On 7/24/2019 at 7:36 PM, joccu said:

@pyeongsaeng honestly I don't who is the final villain. 

everyone is suspect to me expect jae sik and YG. 

But my question is why did YG mom had to die?

     

It's a good question that has been dismissed by the drama completely so far: they didn't even explain why her husband (if he was the culprit) would do it. Was it domestic violence? Was he protecting himself or someone else?

The way it's ignored is either a plot hole or a red herring.

 

On 7/24/2019 at 8:42 PM, tinymel said:

We didn't have a problem with DCK shooting (ooo can't remember his name). I actually wonder if it was the first time DCK killed someone... maybe the first time he shot someone... The way he pointed the gun at himself in the mirror felt very poignant. He also seems like a more hands on kind of guy (I'll beat you up but face to face, man to man.)

 

I had  the same impression about his killing being possibly his first, at least since a long time and share too the feeling of sadness about this scene in front of the mirror.:tears:

But it was visually superb: i'm going to post few gifs and vids of the scene! :heart:

 

On 7/24/2019 at 8:42 PM, tinymel said:

(oh, final question from LO, who is sitting next to me, How long have you guys known each other? ... he thinks it is funny with all the interaction that none of us (not 100% sure about this) have ever met in RL... He also says he isn't jealous of 'hottie cop' but Ahjussi is a different story).

 

I'm like @thistle I don't know anyone personally but since i''ve been around for few years i started to recognize people. 

I used to talk about k-drama with friends in real life but they lost interest. Social media is the easiest place and way to exchange about our obessions: we are on different timezones so there's always someone to talk to! 

Finally a man who recognize the power of hot ajhussis over pretty cops! Your husband has good instincts! :mrgreen:

 

On 7/24/2019 at 9:41 PM, thistle said:

Tell LO that I, for one, have never met anyone from this thread.  ^_^  I'm just an old hermit from the American South, and I rarely even leave my house (just because I prefer being alone).  The people who know me (there are very, very few who do) would be shocked to know that I watch Asian dramas and post on forums.  :o  And if you met me, you wouldn't believe it either!  :lol: 

 

I'm a fellow hermit! It's a just that i prefer to be independent and do things alone!

K-dramas are so not mainstream: few people who don't watch them can understand the craze! :sweatingbullets:

   

On 7/25/2019 at 11:39 AM, sheelatpsfm said:

So the rating you can't say just because many people watch that particular drama, other dramas are not popular or not interesting.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong but just adding few thoughts. :)

It's more complicated than that for me: i have an unpopular opinion which is that there's  clearly good and bad dramas.

When i watch a quality drama like this one going unnoticed: i feel it's offensive for the actors, the production team and the crew who didn't go for a conventional project, took a bet and succeed on the artistic level but yet don't get the reward.

Ratings are the only way for them to see how much the audience appreciate their efforts and that's why it's important to break the records.

For the veterans, it won't make much difference but it's still something that can influence an actor's  career.

The ratings influence too the price of the publicity spots and i was surprised when i watched live to see that OCN show a lot of them for a cable network ( i thought they were relying more on subscriptions).  

   

On 7/25/2019 at 1:06 PM, Ameera Ali said:

can’t wait for mr cool :joy: 

Yeah chill baby , all these shady people around you make you bother & hot :mrgreen: 

 

Such a good gif! :mrgreen:

He doesn't use a weapon and doesn't fight but he's cool and relaxed!

  

I don't know what to make of him: he was chilling outside the club and didn't even noticed than HTJ was threatened with a massive weapon until she calls him! He also failed totally to stop the guy (only DCK ran after him though i'm not sure our bodyguard was armed) and to return inside to check on her (still DCK who did it first).

But he has good chemistry with our young cops so i can't be too hard on him! 

 

18 hours ago, pyeongsaeng said:

This short scene in Ep06 felt poignant to me too:

 

To mee too: It was an intense moment for her indeed. :tears:

One of the rare time where she showed her true self in front of the team. 

 

18 hours ago, pyeongsaeng said:

At the same time, I feel for her and respect her too. To come out even stronger from losing her husband and almost having her thumb cut off 7 years ago is no mean feat. Though not without losses too - how she became selfish (as she herself acknowledged in her convo with Young-goon at his house) and unfeeling after the incident. Young-goon mentioned in Ep02 how she would wait for him to speak first 15 years ago, but she'd changed since then.

 

I think she's getting more emotional as she gets closer to finding the thumb killer. I'm not sure if her moving so fast from trusting to not trusting as you mentioned, may mean she's getting more unstable. She's also still receiving psychiatric treatment. What will she do when she finally finds the murderer? Wondering if she'll take revenge (into her own hands...) or finally be able to just seek resolution.

 

I'm not sure either she is but there's few worrying clues: she was shown having hallucinations (with blood on her hands) few times at the start of the drama, she was shown taking pills and she was sleeping in her psychiatrist 's office, not really working on her trauma as if she didn't need help. The psychiatrist had to bribe her with infos about the rich guy who was going to have an organ transplant to get a promise from her of a real consultation.

I wonder too if playing all the sides at the same time doesn't mean she's also paranoid.

But it might be smokescreen from the writer and she might ended being the one who is right in the end...

I think it can go both ways at this point.

 

18 hours ago, pyeongsaeng said:

I like your theories! There was definitely some betrayal between KJM/DCK, with DCK saying he shouldn't have trusted him back then and KJM saying he doesn't trust DCK now :lol: Of the 5, the missing senior that DCK was talking about is probably also a key player in this, I think the show will delve into him soon, can't wait to find out more.

 

Good catch! I miss that part in their dialogues: so they were possibly working together in the past! 

One more theory  cancelled! :)  

 

18 hours ago, pyeongsaeng said:

Re: Young-goon's memories of that night - people in DC have been debating quite a lot on it too. The glimpses we've seen so far seem to be from different angles, with some things different here and there, showing the fuzziness of YG's memories. There was this one angle (I can't find the pic now :( ) that seemed to show the killer with clothes similar to what DCK was wearing that night - so it may be him too. But YG currently remembers the killer as his father too...In any case, I think we can be sure he did not actually witness his mom being killed. He only saw the aftermath....KJM or DCK or whoever else could have just been 'planted' there as a scapegoat. As to who's the real mastermind, I really can't figure it out for now will leave to you all smarter ones who can better figure it out :)

 

Nice catch again! 

But it's scary if his father was condemned based on his testimony mostly: either HTJ really messed up the investigation or his father tried hard to make himself the culprit (adding his fingerprints or confessing the murder). 

Like @joccu said why was his wife murdered then?

 

I just feel like adding that i feel like i'm playing here with all of you a very fun version of Cluedo that i enjoy a lot!

But i wouldn't bet a cup of water on my own theories since i have never won at this game before; and since it never happened to me either to have the right speculations with k-dramas.:tears:<_<

So be prepared for director Park and the commisssioner to be the real culprits! There's strong chances that the fact i ignored them for more overdramatic solutions means that they should be suspected! 

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16 hours ago, pyeongsaeng said:

She's always seemed so cold and unfeeling, and very businesslike so far, but this scene showed to me that she still has emotions, likely suppressed inside while she keeps her cool outside and relentlessly searches for whoever did that to her 7 years ago

This is a very good observation. Her coldness is a wall she builds to protect herself since she  no longer trusts anyone ( yes maybe except Jae Sik , @thistle will agree  :D   )  or the system .She puts up a strong front but deep down she has yet to address the grief.

 

@titania1000 I  like what k nets are saying here about the drama and HSK. He is really doing such an amazing job especially because neither we nor the domestic viewers can tell if he's black, white of grey !

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Article: Naver 'Watcher' Unpredictable two-faced Han Suk Kyu 'Amplified suspicion'


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Han Suk Kyu's acting is now in another level. At first, I felt that I was the only one who wondered why he portrayed the character that way. Now, I begin to feel that he's the most unpredictable and mysterious character of all. It's really hard to differentiate if one is good or bad... If you watch closely, it feels like he is using every muscle in his face when acting. Han Suk Kyu's acting ability seems to have reached a level where it's higher than any standards.


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I'm watching because I believe in Han Suk Kyu's and Kim Hyun Joo's acting. 


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I have no doubts about Han Suk Kyu's acting~~~~


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Kim Hyun Joo doesn't lose out to Han Suk Kyu in acting. If she finds out that the guy who had his thumb cut were in the same team as Han Suk Kyu, there's a potential that she'll display her explosive acting skills. Kim Hyun Joo's acting is not a joke.  


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They are suspecting him too fast. I think there will be a plot twist..


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I like Han Suk Kyu more as he ages and his face is more creased. He's not very well-built, but he's got a nice body. 


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Han Suk Kyu is really interesting.


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His acting in the interrogation room seriously gave me goosebumps. 


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Among Song Kang Ho, Choi Min Sik, Sol Kyung Gu, Lee Byung Hun, Hwang Jung Min and Han Suk Kyu, I personally feel that Han Suk Kyu tops the acting skills. Unlike genres or movies, the filming style is different due to different production environment in dramas. Han Suk Kyu is the only person who can display his acting in such situation. Other than Lee Byung Hun, none of the rest appear in dramas. Why? Because one has to act on time and there's not much time to control his/her emotions. Among them, Han Suk Kyu is the only actor who shows that level of acting every time. Even Lee Byung Hun used to act awkwardly in dramas. Kim Hyun Joo's expression in the interrogation room looked really surprised. I think this drama is worth watching with just that scene.


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There should be a 10% viewers rating for this production~ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Let's wait and see~ It's really fun.

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@triplem Thank you so much for the link! Those reactions made my day!:w00t:

I can't be more happy that he's getting so much well deserved praise for his mindblowing performance!:heart:

The interrogation room was a masterclass in acting! B)

 

But damn the aesthetics of the last scene! :love:

 

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Sorry for the double post! 

I've just seen that the promo pics for ep 7 are available :)

 

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Queen HTJ looks so good here!:wub:

 

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D-day and i'm so impatient!

 

The trailer for today's episode makes everything so exciting!

 

 

So happy too that Ocn posted the opening credit! The first notes of the theme are enough to boost my adrenalin, the grey and cold blue colors suit well our ambiguous detectives and the idea of a puzzle with HSK's face is just brilliant!B)

 

 

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Ep07 soon! Quick last post about Ep06 - just wondering about the linked conversations between HTJ and DCK in Ep06 on saving people (well and also HTJ/DCK's dynamics in general so far).

 

At the bar right after Jung Han Wook got abducted by Oh Sang Do, HTJ and DCK had this short convo:

 

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And then when they managed to bring PSY back to the station, this continued on:

 

DCK: Remember when you asked me whom I'd save? I'm going to save both. Even if they don't need it, I'm still going to save them.

HTJ: What if you can only pick one? Then what?

(DCK didn't answer)

 

Wondering who was the 'both' that DCK wanted to save? Seeing how he gestured at PSY while saying it, I'm guessing maybe PSY and OSD? Saving OSD from carrying out his revenge/committing even more wrongs with Jung Han Wook?

 

DCK talks a lot about 'saving' people, even if they don't need to be saved. He does what he thinks is right (HTJ said this in Ep02 at the hospital), but at what cost? And is he doing what is right, or what he thinks is right?

 

While I don't think he is the final boss, he may have done things that were morally grey (?) in the process of saving people/doing what is right. Doesn't help that he's been rather secretive about his real intentions - when HTJ asked him what he wanted in Ep03 ('I'm just doing my job'), in Ep05 ('I just don't want people to die').

 

On 7/25/2019 at 2:04 AM, titania1000 said:

Still continuing on my theory: if  KYG's mother died because of his investigation, because he wasn't careful enough, i can imagine the devastation, regrets and guilt  he went through.

That would explain his fear to take more risks  and his obsession to save lives. It could explain why he became too so secretive.  

 

This sums up DCK very well :) Hope more is revealed in Ep07 about what happened back then.

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32 minutes ago, titania1000 said:

@triplem Are you watching live? 

I'll be looking for your recaps if you decide to do one! 

Unfortunately, I won’t be watching live . I’ll check the cuts on IG later 

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Clips from ep 7

 

 

 

 

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Preview for the next episode! 

 

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50 minutes ago, titania1000 said:

On the set this week, SKJ received support from the actress Esom: she sent a coffee truck. 

Not sure how they know each other. Maybe  @Ameera Ali @Lawyerh @triplem who are big fans of him can help?

 

The Third Charm :D:lol:

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I notice Seo Kang-Joon & the actor playing Mr. Jang have a lisp when they speak.

It was so obvious Jae-Shik was the one that intimidated Song-Yi at the parking lot!:P

I'm just blurry on what's goin' on atm. There's just way too much to take in<_< I do wonder why Team Leader Mr. Do let Shin-Young go free? Even the female police commissioner look shady AF.  

 

I just love how bad@$$ Lawyer Han walks & the intro theme cues along with the titleB)  

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Watched up to the 56th mins :D 

I am quite convinced of a number of things

1. DCK is not the thumb cutter- he won't be exposing the burial site if he was. Unless in a completely twisted plot - he wants them to be found out.  But strangely thumb cutter only killed the thugs but not TJ and Park - both officers of  the law. 

2. KJM ( YG's dad ) did not kill his wife. He keeps saying he did because he wants YG to hate him and stay away from him. That is the best way he can protect YG . He was put in jail during some corruption case  15 years ago. He likely knows a lot and would put YG at risk .

3. TJ - may seem suspicious that she always defends these criminals , but I get why she does it - it is her way to find information  and the truth.

 

YG did great barging into DCK's interrogation and getting Commissioner Yeoung to green light the team's continued involvement in the case . Does it seem suspicious that DCK's immediate boss does not want the team to continue and wants KJM to get his parole so that the ledger remains safe? 

 

Will try to watch live and give simple recaps tonight.

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After watching ep7, I'm sure Detective Do could not be the murderer.  Mr Park too as he had his thumb cut. 

I didn't expect Young Goon to bring his dad back to his house. As he said, he wants to watch him to make sure he don't do anything bad as he still don't trust his dad. 

We can see that Detective Do is concern about YG as he followed him when his dad came out of prison on parole. 

I think I can get it why Lawyer Han act that way. She wants to find out the person who attacked her and put all this behind her. 

 

At last they have found out what happened to the missing detective. He is the one out of six bodies who didn't have his thumb cut. 

 

Will wait for ep8... 

 

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Just watched Ep07 with subs and everything's just getting more confusing haha

 

Saw in the forums a summary of who's suspicious of who right now:

TJ/YG suspicious of CK

CK suspicious of KJM

KJM suspicious of CK

 

If the killer really isn't among the 5, he/she must be laughing at all of them suspecting each other :joy: This would be exactly what he/she wanted LOL.

 

Upping my suspicions with the female commissioner too when she lingered behind to hear who JHR's source was too...

 

I'm still not sure what's the motive of the thumb killer and the common trend among the victims. So far, most of them are criminals and all of them got killed. But then we have PSY and TJ who had their thumbs cut but were not killed. And most recently in Ep07 - one of the detectives in the elite team of 5 who was killed but his thumb not cut. The killer seems to be rather organised and skilled, and seemed to have planned much beforehand, but these anomalies add more confusion to the mix. Are they slip-ups, or people who just happened to get in his/her way of fulfilling their purpose?

 

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