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Feel like whatever is stored in YG’s memories will change according to whoever he thinks it might be. I honestly don’t really trust it as well. I just don’t feel that it’s that simple..like serious. Because if I look at it...it still doesn’t really give me the reason to believe it is DCK. If he is the one, why would he try to find evidence to find the killer? Wouldn’t he be hiding & destroying evidence? I just think that it’s not as simple as it is stated..there must be something more then midst the eye.

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OMG:w00t:  THAT'S what I'm talkin' 'bout! Gomawo chingu ah! @titania1000 Isn't she bad@$$ though when she walks LoL!?:P

Eh. Lawyer Han's no stranger to playin' dirty eheheh. She was tryin' to intimidate Song-Yi into spilling more info, which worked. 'Cause I thought the aggressor was sort of...tame HA. Plus Jae-Shik's voice is hard to miss:lol: And he didn't shut her in the booth - how considerate LoL. Poor dude he's traumatized for possibility of doin' jail time awwww~ Jae-Shik's just a Teddy Bear isn't he?:D

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Yes am sad too @Ameera Ali .

@sushilicious I don’t completely trust YG’s memories as well . It’s been manipulated over & over & it does not add up that DCK is the one responsible for all this.  But I agree , going forward the plot will be about YG vs DCK with YG trying to prove DCK is the murderer . 

 

@Latte_Anyday TJ is my girl crush . She’s just crazy cool & it’s rare to have a character like her in k drama 

yay ! @bebebisous33 am happy to see you watching this , look forward to your insights 

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Yes @triplem. Ain’t it funny how like DCK is the 1st lead, then YG is the 2nd. Should I take this to consideration?like 1st lead are typically the good ones..so on...

 

yes, I agree DCK is not the main villain. Why would he help the team to find himself then. At most, I consider DCK to be a minion or wrong place wrong time. It’s just not that simple.

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13 minutes ago, sushilicious said:

Honestly...I’m still taking the fact that DCK is the killer with a grain of salt...I feel that it’s not as simple and up front as we might think..I honestly don’t think ocn is like this...

 

@triplemI feel that the story is trying to boast YG revenge level to continue his story. I honestly think they are going through that route. Using hatred as his weapon.

 

I hope so too: get justice is the only way for him to survive this:bawling:

He would be broken otherwise to the level where he could never live again a normal life!:tears:

 

13 minutes ago, triplem said:

Nooooo . I don’t want that . Urghh. I’m so heart broken tonight. Dad died & DCK whom I thought can’t be the one is raising too much suspicion.

 

@ktcjdrama very skeleton type recaps unfortunately but today’s turn of events was shocking. 

 

@sushilicious yup. Both his parents died there protecting him all the way . I wanna cry 

 

let’s wait for subs. a lot is said which may clue us in . 

 

I still don’t think DCK is the big bad wolf here

 

This is just devastating! 

After KYG just started to rekindle his relationship with his father. This is so cruel!:bawling:

Poor boy having all the people he loves dying in the most horrible way!:cry:

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Okay so I watched the beginning raw... Dad went out of the house, avoided surveillance by Jang's men. YG rushed home and realized Dad went out. One of the men saw him and went up, but YG closed the door on him. All these is watched by a man in all black with baseball cap from a lower story, so there is someone else who knows Dad is back in that house.

Dad went into a cab, and DCK was around the area waiting for it. He tailed the cab.

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51 minutes ago, Ameera Ali said:

Now I worries our bodyguard would do something stupid

 

Oh my!  Our strong and silent bodyguard!  I'm concerned, too.

 

.....thanks, @triplem for the recaps!  I'm gonna enjoy my mini-binge watch this afternoon but I know I'll enjoy it a lot more since I'm spoiled.  Yeah, I know, maybe I'm weird but I can't enjoy a drama if I'm feeling upset and worried about what is gonna happen.  If I already know, I can watch without that horrible feeling of dread.  I am always so grateful for recaps!  :cookie:

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Dad went to give flowers to wife. DCK went in and they had a tensed talk. Dad talked to someone on DCK's phone. He left and HTJ picked him up downstairs.

YG noticed the ceiling/manhole of bathroom is slightly ajar. He opened it and saw a box with empty paper bag, then got a call from PSY, who was at the same building but the block across of YG (as seen in preview) so he was the black-capped man? I guess we're back to square one again. The earlier guy could be PSY, or could be the real killer of Dad.

Dad then went to visit DCK boss in his office. They talked. As Dad was about to leave, Yeom came by. She congratulated him but her extended hand was ignored by Dad. She kinda forced him to have a picture taken though, for publicity, with them shaking hands. Dad not smiling while she is all smiling since she entered the room.

When he went out, HTJ still waiting for him. They had a long talk at a park. HTJ talked a lot about YG.

 

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JHR threatening JaeSik with picture of his son... To think that this is a man with a little girl. Is he not afraid for his little girl if his enemies using the same trick? <_<

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2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

I have just started watching this drama therefore I am still behind. However, I have the feeling that commissioner Yeom DS could be the main villain. She looks pretty suspicious to me. We heard in the first case that the cop wanted to act like the hero, while he was in fact committing a crime. Using a case in order to embellish his reputation and climb up the ladder... In the episode 5, YDS's reputation and ambition were mentioned and reminded me of the first case. Furthermore remember that DCK agreed only to investigate recent corruption crimes and not past cases and it is important because it looks like YDS is the one who might have profited the most. First, she is not in the picture but this doesn't mean that she was not involved back then. Besides, she is more powerful than the prosecutor JHR and PJW. In fact, DCK suffered the most as he was outcast by other police officers: he arrested his colleague aso. 

 

Welcome to the thread!

You picked a good one: it's an excellent thriller and the forum is a nice place, overflowed with fun speculations.    

I think it benefitted the higher ups and the older cops too. Basically everyone who has been around 15 years ago and is not in jail or dead. 

 

50 minutes ago, sushilicious said:

Feel like whatever is stored in YG’s memories will change according to whoever he thinks it might be. I honestly don’t really trust it as well. I just don’t feel that it’s that simple..like serious. Because if I look at it...it still doesn’t really give me the reason to believe it is DCK. If he is the one, why would he try to find evidence to find the killer? Wouldn’t he be hiding & destroying evidence? I just think that it’s not as simple as it is stated..there must be something more then midst the eye.

 

That's what triggered KYG's memory in the last minute of the episode. 

He went to the bathroom, saw that there was still stains of his father's blood and suddenly seemed to have a revelation: he remembered that DCK entered the bathroom the day his mother died and that's where he found him after putting something in the washing machine. 

I think the drama he's implying that contrary to what DCK thought, KYG didn't remember meeting him that day. That's probably  why he never asked what he was doing here and what he was hiding.   

After this kind of brutal revelation, he came back in the living room and that's where he had his vision where his father was replaced by DCK.      

 

43 minutes ago, Latte_Anyday said:

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OMG:w00t:  THAT'S what I'm talkin' 'bout! Gomawo chingu ah! @titania1000 Isn't she bad@$$ though when she walks LoL!?:P

Eh. Lawyer Han's no stranger to playin' dirty eheheh. She was tryin' to intimidate Song-Yi into spilling more info, which worked. 'Cause I thought the aggressor was sort of...tame HA. Plus Jae-Shik's voice is hard to miss:lol: And he didn't shut her in the booth - how considerate LoL. Poor dude he's traumatized for possibility of doin' jail time awwww~ Jae-Shik's just a Teddy Bear isn't he?:D

 

You're welcome: :lol:

She looks stunning in those slo -mow, i can easily tell how much the director loves taking those sexy and powerful shots of her!:wub:

Indeed she can be so dark! But she's still a queen who does everything with class and charisma!

Jae Shik seemed so nervous here! But i fear that too much is still hidden about him so i can't be sure yet that he can be trusted.:(      

 

@triplem: calling HTJ crazy cool is so fitting! B)

 

38 minutes ago, sushilicious said:

Yes @triplem. Ain’t it funny how like DCK is the 1st lead, then YG is the 2nd. Should I take this to consideration?like 1st lead are typically the good ones..so on...

 

yes, I agree DCK is not the main villain. Why would he help the team to find himself then. At most, I consider DCK to be a minion or wrong place wrong time. It’s just not that simple.

 

He's the 1st lead and we're also only half the drama: so it's a major cliffangher to throw to us as it should be at this point but it can not be the end!

Let's keep hope :sweatingbullets:  

 

31 minutes ago, thistle said:

 

Oh my!  Our strong and silent bodyguard!  I'm concerned, too.

 

.....thanks, @triplem for the recaps!  I'm gonna enjoy my mini-binge watch this afternoon but I know I'll enjoy it a lot more since I'm spoiled.  Yeah, I know, maybe I'm weird but I can't enjoy a drama if I'm feeling upset and worried about what is gonna happen.  If I already know, I can watch without that horrible feeling of dread.  I am always so grateful for recaps!  :cookie:

 

I'm the same: that's why i always read half of the crime/thriller books, read the end and come back to the half to finish it.

I can't stand the tension in books while i'm more patient with dramas/tv shows!  :sweatingbullets:

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1 hour ago, sushilicious said:

Feel like whatever is stored in YG’s memories will change according to whoever he thinks it might be. I honestly don’t really trust it as well. I just don’t feel that it’s that simple..like serious. Because if I look at it...it still doesn’t really give me the reason to believe it is DCK. If he is the one, why would he try to find evidence to find the killer? Wouldn’t he be hiding & destroying evidence? I just think that it’s not as simple as it is stated..there must be something more then midst the eye.

 

Yes, I agree as he was a child when his mom was murdered. What he envision may not be as what he had actually saw. 

Just watched the raw version and I didn't expect YG dad would have gotten murdered as he just came out of prison on parole. 

Definitely they would have wondered what happened as Detective Do was in the same house and got hurt while YG dad got murdered. 

 

It would definitely have a big impact on YG life as now he has lost both of his parents. 

 

Would wait to wait to watch the full episode with eng sub tomorrow... 

 

I was just telling that I don't think Detective Do could be the villain and now they are making us doubt him. 

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I haven't watched the episode 7 so far but I am not convinced that DCK is the real murderer. However, I don't think that DCK is innocent either. In my opinion, he might have done something wrong in the past but had a change of heart due to the death of YG's mother. When the prosecutor LYD was about to die, he asked: "who are you?" So he hadn't met the person before... What if the culprit is the missing cop Jang, the former colleague from DCK and HJM? LYD could have never met Jang. Since he disappeared, YG's father got suspected. But maybe he is alive and living in the shadow... 

 

As for the identity of the "boyfriend", I was wondering if in reality the person behind this name is a woman... Boyfriend makes people think that the person is a man. So this name could have been used in order to mislead the others. So if my theory is correct, then the commissioner YDS could be this "boyfriend". Don't forget that JSY made a mistake before, when she was working for the forensics. So the "boyfriend" could have sent her there as a spy. Maybe she was used as a pawn in order to keep DCK under control. Don't forget that YDS showed a great interest in the ledger. 

 

With LYD's case, we could see that the highers-up from the prosecution would do anything in order to get what they want: finding the slush fund. In the name of "justice", LYD tried to cover up his own greed... I believe, it was the same for the higher-up who abandoned LYD. In the name of justice, people from the police and prosecution have no remorse to commit crimes in order to achieve their goal. HTJ and DCK are not different either. 

 

@triplem @thistle @titania1000 Let me know what you think...

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TJ is my girl crush . She’s just crazy cool & it’s rare to have a character like her in k drama

She's mine too, can't ya tell ahahah?! Have ya watched Search:WWW? Scarlett & Ga-Gyeong aren't too bad eitherB)

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LMFAo that lil eye roll Lawyer Han did when Mr. Jang tried to grab the briefcase containing money was awesome:lol:

 

Poor Young-Goon...:( he's lost both his parents at the same place..:( I do hope that flashback of Team Leader Mr. Do isn't what it seem-_-:P 

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2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

I haven't watched the episode 7 so far but I am not convinced that DCK is the real murderer. However, I don't think that DCK is innocent either. In my opinion, he might have done something wrong in the past but had a change of heart due to the death of YG's mother.

 

I won't spoil anything, only add that today's episode had a scene where DCK and KJM talked about her and  there's also more but that's spoilerish.:vicx: I'm waiting for the subs but I can only think that there's indeed a connection between DCK and KYG's mother.

 

I don't think at all he's capable of murder but I still wonder how he could have entered the flat and not have seen her corpse and if she was still alive to open to him, why did she let him hide the fake evidences (and why was KYG hidden in the bathroom)?

 

2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

When the prosecutor LYD was about to die, he asked: "who are you?" So he hadn't met the person before... 

 

Someone in the thread (i'm sorry i don't remember who :sweatingbullets:) had this theory that the killer could have been just a "cleaner" and not the real mastermind. I think it would explain why his face and his body built seemed unknown to the prosecutor.

We stopped to talked about it a little bit but it seems still valid that it's not an lonely person's work. Two people helping each other would make sense based on the events of today's episode where all the suspects except DCK were somewhere else during the attack.   

 

2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

What if the culprit is the missing cop Jang, the former colleague from DCK and HJM? LYD could have never met Jang. Since he disappeared, YG's father got suspected. But maybe he is alive and living in the shadow..

  

You'll get an answer to this question in ep 7, so once again i won't spoil it!

 

2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

As for the identity of the "boyfriend", I was wondering if in reality the person behind this name is a woman... Boyfriend makes people think that the person is a man. So this name could have been used in order to mislead the others. So if my theory is correct, then the commissioner YDS could be this "boyfriend". Don't forget that JSY made a mistake before, when she was working for the forensics. So the "boyfriend" could have sent her there as a spy. Maybe she was used as a pawn in order to keep DCK under control. Don't forget that YDS showed a great interest in the ledger. 

 

That's an exciting theory! :w00t:

Nobody in the thread thought of her before but it seems perfectly credible: how else but "this" higher up to include a mole in the team? To hire someone like JSY despite her past background?

But i wonder why she appointed her to work with DCK and form a team with him while at the time he was alone and not making big waves. Did she want to shake things before retiring while keeping him under control?

   

2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

With LYD's case, we could see that the highers-up from the prosecution would do anything in order to get what they want: finding the slush fund. In the name of "justice", LYD tried to cover up his own greed... I believe, it was the same for the higher-up who abandoned LYD. In the name of justice, people from the police and prosecution have no remorse to commit crimes in order to achieve their goal. HTJ and DCK are not different either. 

 

The lack of morals/ethics on all levels from the most modest agents to the higher officers and prosecutors and even  the higher ups is understable only in k-drama, in connection with the state of this country. 

Be it HTJ faking an attack to scare a witness or DCK faking evidences to arrest and interrogate a suspect. I really hope that at one point that they will forced to confront the consequences of their methods.

It's obvious that DCK will be forced to reconsider all his actions after this week's episodes and how it lead people to distrust him.

But HTJ is clearly the most extreme of the two and the most ambiguous with her constant game between two sides, so she needs to learn a lesson too.  

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@bebebisous33 , like @titania1000 I won’t spoil it for you . But my hunch up to now is that the murderer/ thumb cutter isn’t in that group of 5 ( the photo of the cops) . But all of them aren’t clean either with skeletons of their own - all related to that Muil ledger . YG’s dad was investigating a corruption case ( and was implied to have been  part of it ) at the time that YG’s mum was stabbed . DCK hid something in the machine . Jang continues to shoot people off ( his wayward subordinate for instance) , when he didn’t need to . So everyone has a stake in this ledger . But the lingering question is whether YG’s mom’s stabber & the thumb cutter are the same person 

 

we did discuss here that “Boyfriend “ is not exactly as the name suggests . As Jae Sik the bodyguard had pointed out it’s unusual for girls not to use a nick name or something for their BF. So there’s been speculation that it’s the person that she reports to. I like the idea that it could be Commissioner Yeong as that would make sense that she’ll want to keep tabs on the team . 

 

TJ when she was the prosecutor had put dad to jail . She got her thumb cut while reinvestigating as she realised that something does not seem to add up . She may seem the most shady , shifting alliances as things progress , but actually she’s the one that YG can trust as she never hides her real intentions which is to find the person who attacked her . 

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On 7/26/2019 at 3:52 PM, titania1000 said:

I'm not sure either she is but there's few worrying clues: she was shown having hallucinations (with blood on her hands) few times at the start of the drama, she was shown taking pills and she was sleeping in her psychiatrist 's office, not really working on her trauma as if she didn't need help. The psychiatrist had to bribe her with infos about the rich guy who was going to have an organ transplant to get a promise from her of a real consultation.

I wonder too if playing all the sides at the same time doesn't mean she's also paranoid.

But it might be smokescreen from the writer and she might ended being the one who is right in the end...

I think it can go both ways at this point. 

 

I think the psychiatrist is actually Tae Joo's friend.  She simply just crashed into her office to take a nap.  It is a place where she feels safe.  :glasses:

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10 hours ago, titania1000 said:

Jae Shik seemed so nervous here! But i fear that too much is still hidden about him so i can't be sure yet that he can be trusted.:(      

 

I'm still trusting Jae Shik.....

Because

11 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:

Jae-Shik's just a Teddy Bear isn't he?:D


Yes, he is.  ^_^  He's our bodyguard.

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wow so glad people are watching this show since it's a wild ride!
 

i'm pretty sure that dck isn't the killer and if he is that would be very confusing and dumb. there has been a drama (that i loved on ocn) where the MC was the culprit but the show was so insane that it made sense. here, i don't think it does. logistically in every step there's major miscommunication. i think the show can go a couple of ways...

 

if there was dck as culprit and we keep going around in circles until the last minute. this one isn't likely because i can't find a way to execute it well writing-wise. i love the vibe of the show and the tone but i'm already miffed at the doubt of dck (and they did say, "once you doubt, you can't stop" so i guess that's definitely being underlined!)

 

the whole situation is cloudy but we know as much as all the players know which is apparently nothing. what's frustrating about it as a viewer is that if they could all put their pea-brains together MAYHAPS they could get a solution...

 

in stranger there's an arc where the MC is doubted because he is very clever and got ahead on leads. the show is very different but the subject matter and leads kinda have similarities. anyway, they nipped that in the bud. i think the doubt storyline is needed but we need clear answers as time passes. it's episode 8 so next week by the end of 10 we should be moving along. 

 

there's tons of corruption in the police  irl/fiction and i think the show is approaching it as if it is a gang. loyalty is important to cops and dck put kjm in jail and was shunned but no one doubted his hands just what he did. the show also borrows from this american show called 'the shield' in terms of corruption and money (the 2nd episode is similar to the pilot episode of the shield in plot) which focuses on cops as criminals. but we know the cops are criminals it is never contested.

 

here the MC is fighting against the criminals. it's clear that things were manipulated and memory is shoddy. i believe that the fog is going to have to be removed soon though. i'm assuming that the team of 5 ended up realizing they were henchmen as opposed to cops or there was infighting from the get go. park and the commisioner are so ambitious and they're liars. who does what when and where...

 

the missed call? what did dck put in the washing machine? also the thumbcutter and "humaneness" questions gives further lend to dck determinably not being the culprit with the death of the police officer jang's underling. we just need some answers right now

 

and why young goon? why is this happening? what did the force do? what did the prosecutor do? like what are the paramaters of this case. the holes are just as interesting as the plot but not being able to fill in the blanks keeps us from understanding as we go along.

 

anyways character wise tae joo is crazy. what she does is intentional and selfish, which is fine. it's actually amazing to watch. she's so intelligent but she's so reckless. it's both a gift and a curse. while she thinks things through she also bulldozes ahead and messes up so severely. the doubt that arises in her re: dck is now interesting because i'm like where did that come from? but also i really want them to solve this issue now.

 

this is why i really like her character and the way kim hyun joo plays her. because she richard simmons me off and frustrates me and makes very very very stupid decisions for someone so smart. she's very flawed and she's going to go crazy with worry because she wants to know who ruined her life. who made her this way. at the same time it's theeee most frustrating thing to watch. this whole show is watching watcher lmao and everyone hitting a wall and not talking to each other

 

they're all gonna learn how to be more empathetic or whatever but i think there's a clear good side/bad side (corruption team v. the force) that needs to be reiterated. what we know is that someone is laundering money and judging people. perhaps they're mutually exclusive, even, though i doubt it. 

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