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[Drama 2018-2019] Empress Dignity / The Last Empress, 황후의 품격

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1 hour ago, gilaswan said:

After watching the latest episode, I must say I'm a little disappointed in the way they have written Sunny's character. She is indeed coming off as the Dowager has described her - vulgar in temperament (entirely not befitting that of royalty) and thus not wise at all. Yes, she does explain it off herself when she tells the Grand Dowager that she has a temper. But it's really more than just having a temper. If she had not gone off telling everyone that she had the Grand Dowager's backing, I doubt Grandma would have been murdered. Surely with her uncovering the shadiness of the preceding Empress's death, she should have known well enough to bite her tongue and bide her time. I'm a little disappointed in Sunny here, actually.

 

I actually agree with you here--- I am not liking her temperament either. I mean I understand that she is written to be naive and innocent but her temper and behaviour towards the emperor and his mistress is quite childlike. I would also like it more if she could control or rather express her temper better. Hopefully we will get to see that side of her soon since the grandma is gone so maybe she'll be more careful and poised.

 

Also thank you to everyone who gave the live updates yesterday:)

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lor she is not behaving like an empress ^__^, even before her temper erupted, she was never acted like an empress

she was like a scared caged mouse, darting from one end to another, finding a place of her own, trying so hard to fit in

beside i assure you, none of those in the palace behaving like what they are supposed to be aside from the grandmama

everything is vile, wicked, cruel and ugly and some of them are supposed to be from honorable royal blood, the divine sacred royal blood of grace and virtue and they are even worse in character

the empress just shout and scream and a lil erratic

while the rest are doing the unspeakable for way too long already

 

she would most probably will change more after the death of the grandma

most probably because she will partly blame herself for her death

before she acted wild and nothing bad happen to anyone else aside from her

and now partly because of her, a life was taken

but that's a part of her growth experience

 

like wang shik who had to lose his mom and being betrayed to the extent of being killed

in order for him to change himself and able to control his temper now

sunny would experience that too

 

sunny is not a calculative woman

she didnt come to the palace with hidden motive or has a conniving way of seeing things

that is her flaw, she is portrayed as she is a simple naive gal, who sees things through rose coloured glasses

but i prefer her to fight back, not crying in a corner whining about her pathetic fate

maybe the way she handles things now is still not good

but it shows that she has a fighting spirit, and that she is not the type to let everyone tramples all over her

 

yes she is a lil feisty now (i am hoping she would be more feisty in the future actually)

but then again she was lied again and again, almost got killed on her wedding day, hubby doing the horizontal lingo in her presence with another woman and so on

from the day she got married she has been treated like a dirt from almost everyone there, even the nanny doesnt respect her let alone others

she can be loud, wild and harsh as she can for now and slap yura a few more times, lee hyuk too actually

before she wise up and become more in control

hahaha

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These last two episodes were superb, non-stop action packed with so much content! I was so caught up that I yelled at the screen and lost track of time (so many satisfactorily scenes, chills, and just LOL)! 

Can’t wait until next week... need to go find previews. 

 

I do think it’s good-bye for Grandmother Empress and now Sunny lost an important supporter.  Who orchestrated this death is the question and it won’t be someone so obvious. I think it’s LH instead of his mother this time since she slapped MYR twice and ‘dared’ to lectured and plot to remove him. 

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29 minutes ago, tiaralavender95 said:

 

Why do I have the feeling that GED does not die  :(

Does anyone feel the same?

 

Hmm... I doubt that! But would like to hear your point of view!

 

7 minutes ago, stella77 said:

These last two episodes were superb, non-stop action packed with so much content! I was so caught up that I yelled at the screen and lost track of time (so many satisfactorily scenes, chills, and just LOL)! 

Can’t wait until next week... need to go find previews. 

 

I do think it’s good-bye for Grandmother Empress and now Sunny lost an important supporter.  Who orchestrated this death is the question and it won’t be someone so obvious. I think it’s LH instead of his mother this time since she slapped MYR twice and ‘dared’ to lectured and plot to remove him. 

 

Yeah.. Granny was the only relief Sunny had! Now that she's gone, Sunny has to be very careful with everyone! I just thought Wang Sik would be any help to Sunny.. But he's a dilemma!!! And I think Sunny should use her head instead of her heart right now!! Her romantic feelings for Lee Hyuk is distracting her away from the reality!!

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Don't you guys think it might be two persons or more wanted to kill GED. She has been poisoned at first place and then stabbed with the hair pin after that. :bawling:

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3 hours ago, gm4queen said:

 

Hmm... I doubt that! But would like to hear your point of view!

 

 

Yeah.. Granny was the only relief Sunny had! Now that she's gone, Sunny has to be very careful with everyone! I just thought Wang Sik would be any help to Sunny.. But he's a dilemma!!! And I think Sunny should use her head instead of her heart right now!! Her romantic feelings for Lee Hyuk is distracting her away from the reality!!

 

I am pretty sure Prince Yoon or Byun was behind all of these. He must be the one that WB chased with. Its very clear that he intentionally shows himself to WB.

 

Oh Sunny met with Byun at evening saw by EDK's assistant before GED killed!

 

The food made by Oh Sunny might be replaced right after the food being poisoned.

 

But its still complicated for the hairpin that stabbed GED

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@gilaswan @rita96 like I said previously, Sunny isn't well trained yet :lol: that's why she went around telling others about the cards she has in her hand. But then again, Grandmama did the same thing, by announcing to Dowager and LH and YR about the emergency Internal Affairs meeting she called for the next morning. Since the Grand Empress Dowager even did the same, I think we can cut the newly minted Empress some slack... :D 

 

I can only hope the documents that Grandmama had written earlier about the recent happenings in the palace have been safely sent out somehow. 

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16 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

@gilaswan @rita96 like I said previously, Sunny isn't well trained yet :lol: that's why she went around telling others about the cards she has in her hand. But then again, Grandmama did the same thing, by announcing to Dowager and LH and YR about the emergency Internal Affairs meeting she called for the next morning. Since the Grand Empress Dowager even did the same, I think we can cut the newly minted Empress some slack... :D 

 

I can only hope the documents that Grandmama had written earlier about the recent happenings in the palace have been safely sent out somehow. 

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This one also could be one of my point that there must be a fake Grandmama's death. She won't tell it if she knows it might be dangerous to her.

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2 hours ago, gilaswan said:

After watching the latest episode, I must say I'm a little disappointed in the way they have written Sunny's character. She is indeed coming off as the Dowager has described her - vulgar in temperament (entirely not befitting that of royalty) and thus not wise at all. Yes, she does explain it off herself when she tells the Grand Dowager that she has a temper. But it's really more than just having a temper. If she had not gone off telling everyone that she had the Grand Dowager's backing, I doubt Grandma would have been murdered. Surely with her uncovering the shadiness of the preceding Empress's death, she should have known well enough to bite her tongue and bide her time. I'm a little disappointed in Sunny here, actually.

 

In my opinion, she actually was able to control her temper. Looking back on the episode where she first discovered the affair, she is calm, yet we can still see her bravery when she invited yura to have breakfast with her and lee hyuk. Even if in reality she wants to pull Yura's hair out and make it a wig, and also skin her alive, she controlled her emotions well in front of them.

But after she was nearly killed by her own husband (twice!), framed to be an adulterous woman, told to her face that she was just toyed by everyone except grandma, I would expect her not to remain calm and collected. Any person would burst and would want to "get back". She just lost her credibility in the whole of Korea just because her husband and his mistress just want to continue their shenanigans. Credibility and dignity are two of the most important virtues in East Asian countries. People die and even commit suicide when they lost it. 

Grandma will eventually die anyway. She is the only one who is righteous to abide by the imperial family law. Others just want to stay in power even if they commit horrific crimes. She will eventually discover things and the empress dowager is not afraid to kill anyone who will try to remove her from the palace.

This is different from Wang Shik who works calculated and quiet. Compare to Sunny, he has no connection to the imperial family, no power at all and he can be removed from the palace in no time if discovered. Sunny is different since she is the empress. She has the power and it is not easy to get her out (but looks like she will since she is a murder suspect now). I like that she made the emperor and yura feel her wrath and it is not yet done. In fact, as she is continuously hurt, the more that I look forward on how she gets her revenge done. It will really be a tug-of-war between yura/lee hyuk vs woobin/sunny.

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21 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

@gilaswan @rita96 like I said previously, Sunny isn't well trained yet :lol: that's why she went around telling others about the cards she has in her hand. But then again, Grandmama did the same thing, by announcing to Dowager and LH and YR about the emergency Internal Affairs meeting she called for the next morning. Since the Grand Empress Dowager even did the same, I think we can cut the newly minted Empress some slack... :D 

 

I can only hope the documents that Grandmama had written earlier about the recent happenings in the palace have been safely sent out somehow. 

 

13 minutes ago, tiaralavender95 said:

 

This one also one of my point that there must be fake Grandmama's death. She won't tell it if she knows it might be dangerous to her.

 

Then let's say Sunny & Granny blew it all by revealing their inner-selves to the public! :o I am also willing to think that granny is fine, but she seems not! Then it could be a plan of Granny & Sunny to catch everyone in the act! And how Lee Hyuk entered granny's room at the exact time after she got killed & amidst Sunny's presence! It can't be a coincidence! Am I the only one who suspect Yu Ra here..??!!

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Omigod; all the long discussions here:- I'm lovin it! Will read afterwards. Watched the episode and it was a total Sunny show! Jang na ra slayed that emperor and his mistress washing scene *rofl*. All the three of them were surprised by her words and afterwards empress dowager too haha.

That hoodie boy i guess i yoon (from his physique)..maybe he came to meet grandmama? Because he was shown staring at Ms. Hong who was then going into her chamber with food. Or he can be LH? Running after the work was done? And I'm guessing that either the poison was on chopsticks/hairpin because her face turned deep blue color. Also; why am i getting feels that GED was murdered twice- hairpin and poison. Maybe LH had given her poison and then yura came to stab those hairpin from last time. Empress dowager can never kill GED because then the internal affairs get activated highly and it could demolish whole monarchy. She knew that. LH already said he could do anything once he get psycho.

Either the will or that nanny/Prime minister can support her now. Nanny was also missing before GED murder and who's seo kang hee?

I need to watch episode again haha. 

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9 minutes ago, gm4queen said:

 

 

Then let's say Sunny & Granny blew it all by revealing their inner-selves to the public! :o I am also willing to think that granny is fine, but she seems not! Then it could be a plan of Granny & Sunny to catch everyone in the act! And how Lee Hyuk entered granny's room at the exact time after she got killed & amidst Sunny's presence! It can't be a coincidence! Am I the only one who suspect Yu Ra here..??!!

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Then it must be LH plan to capture Oh Sunny kills GED. That's why he comes right after Oh Sunny noticed GED died! 

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17 minutes ago, nakatsubebe said:

 

In my opinion, she actually was able to control her temper. Looking back on the episode where she first discovered the affair, she is calm, yet we can still see her bravery when she invited yura to have breakfast with her and lee hyuk. Even if in reality she wants to pull Yura's hair out and make it a wig, and also skin her alive, she controlled her emotions well in front of them.

But after she was nearly killed by her own husband (twice!), framed to be an adulterous woman, told to her face that she was just toyed by everyone except grandma, I would expect her not to remain calm and collected. Any person would burst and would want to "get back". She just lost her credibility in the whole of Korea just because her husband and his mistress just want to continue their shenanigans. Credibility and dignity are two of the most important virtues in East Asian countries. People die and even commit suicide when they lost it. 

Grandma will eventually die anyway. She is the only one who is righteous to abide by the imperial family law. Others just want to stay in power even if they commit horrific crimes. She will eventually discover things and the empress dowager is not afraid to kill anyone who will try to remove her from the palace.

This is different from Wang Shik who works calculated and quiet. Compare to Sunny, he has no connection to the imperial family, no power at all and he can be removed from the palace in no time if discovered. Sunny is different since she is the empress. She has the power and it is not easy to get her out (but looks like she will since she is a murder suspect now). I like that she made the emperor and yura feel her wrath and it is not yet done. In fact, as she is continuously hurt, the more that I look forward on how she gets her revenge done. It will really be a tug-of-war between yura/lee hyuk vs woobin/sunny.

Bold- i agree on that point that any person at her place was bound to worked up to that level but where sunny went wrong was 1st time when she told everything to dowager and 2nd time when LH came in front of her chamber. She shouldn't spoke to LH that she told everything to GED and nor to dowager. But then; GED calling LH and YR to beat them unnecessarily crashed everything. She would die even then too unless if the murder was committed by a third party. Tug of war is now including nanny/prime minister too as they envy upon yura/leehyuk. Also; lee hyuk's theory is sharp clear:- An emperor can do anything but still innocent; after all he is the emperor. It was said by emperor himself in the starting and i guess WS now heading to trap him in his own saying.

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15 minutes ago, tiaralavender95 said:

 

 

Then it must be LH plan to capture Oh Sunny kills GED. That's why he comes right after Oh Sunny noticed GED died! 

Maybe he was only expecting to frame her with poison in the food but the he saw hairpin and got shocked because then in his opinion he was thinking about his removal and yoon's installation.

And the Dowager laughing maniacally in the preview can be about how LH and YR killed GED and hers can be the next chance

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1 hour ago, tiaralavender95 said:

 

This one also could be one of my point that there must be a fake Grandmama's death. She won't tell it if she knows it might be dangerous to her.

Grandmama is dead for certain. That's already written in the synopsis. We are told about that even before this show started. 

 

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18 minutes ago, violette00 said:

Bold- i agree on that point that any person at her place was bound to worked up to that level but where sunny went wrong was 1st time when she told everything to dowager and 2nd time when LH came in front of her chamber. She shouldn't spoke to LH that she told everything to GED and nor to dowager. But then; GED calling LH and YR to beat them unnecessarily crashed everything. She would die even then too unless if the murder was committed by a third party. Tug of war is now including nanny/prime minister too as they envy upon yura/leehyuk. Also; lee hyuk's theory is sharp clear:- An emperor can do anything but still innocent; after all he is the emperor. It was said by emperor himself in the starting and i guess WS now heading to trap him in his own saying.

 

I agree. Like what other commenters said, Sunny still doesn't know the ways of the palace. She underestimated the evil of the people she is dealing with. Perhaps, as the most elderly in the palace, Sunny would not expect that GED will be a target and she is the only person she believes to be on her side. GED is Sunny's weapon to all the threats she is receiving. I like how each of them thinks they underestimated their opponent (Empress dowager, for example, said this too many times). I wouldn't say that a character in this drama is dumb, in fact, they are smart to outwit each other even if the other person is in the bottom of the food chain.

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1 hour ago, dramaninja said:

Pretty Weird talking about her temperament after all that was done to her.

Thank you for pointing this out. No offence, but the woman was thrown from a cliff the night before and is dealing with her husband's betrayal. The murder of GED happened and we expect her to watch her temper. I'm surprised she is not sitting in a corner crying about her fate lol.

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