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1 hour ago, sava2sava said:

@darr  I don't think the marriage will happen.. 

 

 I agree. JY is definitely still not completely detached from YJ, and I think he's having second thoughts. One thing is for sure, if you proposed to a girl and are already thinking about someone else within 24 hours, your marriage won't work out :mellow:

 

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It's never been an easy or simple relationship that our OTP have shared not even from the start.   Yet after watching his emotions even sitting there in that park alone while they were enjoying his hard work my heart went out to him and you knew he was hurting even now after all this time. You see there are no time limits when it comes to what your heart wants, misses or yearns for.   It was no surprise that he would answer that call from the police station.  Or that he would offer to carry her bag or walk with her, replay her words of divorce over in his mind or cook in order to give her a warm meal...

 

The thing that often gets overlooked is the very fact that there are good people in relationships like the doctor and fiance who truly love that other person with everything they have but never receive everything the other person has to give. You can't give your heart fully away if a part of it still belongs to someone else.  Love doesn't work the same for everyone nor is there a right or wrong when it comes to the heart.  I for one am thinking that JY won't be doing the breaking up.  I agree with a few others I think the female cop will be breaking up instead.  Not because of what she saw at the end of this episode but it's what she has felt and known just like the doctor did and was reminded of when they saw each other again.

You can't deny the truth of what is...

 

@dramaninja said a lot of what I too was thinking.  Sometimes two people lose their way and even hurt each other but it doesn't mean they are bad people or don't deserve another chance.  When they only have one life to live why settle for less than what your heart desires.  Why not reach out in wanting it all.  It can be the difference between passion in allowing yourself to soar or accepting less and always knowing.

  It could have been so much more...

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I love the variety of ideas/comments that ive read today. However, i have some questions:

 

1. In the scene that was shown where YJ is holding a child, was that hers and HC's kid?

2. Did she really marry HC and only divorced him coz she cant survive the loss of their/her kid which leads to an unhappy marriage?

 

PS. i havent seen the subbed ep. 

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Think it was implied that that would be HC and YJ’s kid...

unless it was even more makjang ...

ie...jy leaves...

yj discovers she was pregnant with jy’s child....

 

but the sequence of her saving the boy...then getting a flashback of a fallen cat doll...then her walking to the egg tart place with a child...then turning to drink in tears...and her looking devastated in her apt while hc  looks sad...I think she married him had a child then child got knocked down then marriage broke down..

 

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1 hour ago, blue_izce8 said:

I love the variety of ideas/comments that ive read today. However, i have some questions:

 

1. In the scene that was shown where YJ is holding a child, was that hers and HC's kid?

2. Did she really marry HC and only divorced him coz she cant survive the loss of their/her kid which leads to an unhappy marriage?

 

PS. i havent seen the subbed ep. 

 

1. No, I think she was just defending him because of a traumatic experience she had before (the flashback with the cat). 

 

In that scene, she was carrying a cake and dropped it, so it could have been someone’s birthday or a special occasion. I have a feeling the cake symbolizes something but I have no idea what it is yet...

 

2. We only know that they had an unhappy marriage from the drinking scene, and the fact that they broke up so emotionlessly. It could have just been a bad relationship, or maybe something that had to do with a child. The cat incident has to be part of it, but there is no way for us to know the full story yet. There was no official mention of them even having a child though, so that reason for breakup is really only a speculation.

 

the story is getting more and more confusing, so I’m going to have my eagle eyes out for signs now lol

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@mushforbrains thanks for mentioning the cat doll scene. It made sense now. I think her daugther died in a car accident on i think her birthday thats why she or they went out to buy a cake. Which fell from her hands when she saw the accident. 

 

It made me feel more sad for YJ. She could have had a happy married life if she did lose her kid from an accident.

 

Im not aure how to phrase this but i think she is the one who requested for the divorce since she thinks that she is no longer capable of being a good wife to her husband. 

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2 hours ago, blue_izce8 said:

I love the variety of ideas/comments that ive read today. However, i have some questions:

 

1. In the scene that was shown where YJ is holding a child, was that hers and HC's kid?

2. Did she really marry HC and only divorced him coz she cant survive the loss of their/her kid which leads to an unhappy marriage?

 

PS. i havent seen the subbed ep. 

 

Yes, I believe that is what happened. It's not explicit, but I think based on what we saw:

 

- She married Ho-Chul, they moved to Lisbon, and they had a child.

- That child died in Lisbon from a car accident.

- Young-Jae was tremendously depressed and drank her days away.

- She couldn't recover and asked Ho-Chul for a divorce. A lot of marriages do not survive a traumatic incident like a child's death, so I guess that is what happened.

 

Gosh, I'm kind of shell-shocked. I don't really know how to feel.

 

I thought this was a cute romance, so that was quite the emotional curveball.

 

No matter what you think about the story, or Young-Jae as a character, Esom is knocking it out of the park as far as being an actress. So much pain in written on her face. She's completely devastated and barely breathing, and you can see that.

 

I still have mixed feelings about her marrying Ho-Chul. I really thought he was not a factor, but it turns out that he was. Handsome, rich, and really into you, I guess no girl can say no to that, not even Young-Jae.

 

I don't have any other thoughts but that Se-Eun is in for a world of pain, too. Imagine being devoted to a long-distance relationship for 4 years, he finally proposes, you're on Cloud 9, and then... yeah. Yikes.

 

Ri-Won, ever the wise one tells Se-Eun that she actually does not know Joon-Young very well, so marriage is dangerous. Once again, Ri-Won has a point.

 

I guess my last thought is just that I hope Joo-Ran isn't ill or something. (K-Drama trips to the hospital are always ominous!)

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It was just now that i thought of this, but i think since YJ and JY met, JY was always left unaware of YJ's sorrows or challenges in life. He is always the lasr to know about the heartaches that she went through. Not sure why it was always like that though...i just hope that somehow in their 3rd meeting, JY will be YJ's source of power. 

 

Also, why didnt PD-nim shared any happy moments of HC & YJ. I believe that he really loves her. 

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Please dont tell me that child was JY  and YJ kid she looks at 3 or 4,that would make this all the more sadder 

 

Did she get marry because she did not want to be a single mother? All of this is speculation of course.

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9 minutes ago, dramaninja said:

Please dont tell me that child was his she looks at 3 or 4,that would make this all the more sadder 

 

Did she get marry because she did not want to be a single mother? All of this is speculation of course.

I thought of that as well. It would be a huge twist if the kid was actually JY’s. However, that could be the factor that brings them together for the third time. I guess we’ll find out next week...

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If it turns out to be JY's kid, thats even more cruel to JY. Not to know his child, to be the father, and to lost the child even before he ever see it. Gosh. Thats so cruel of YJ. Instead of making me sympathise with YJ, it'll make me dislike her character more, bcos thats just too cruel of her to have robbed JY of the chance to be a father. Its not romantic at all.. please dont turn this into a makjang drama.. :crazy:

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Could the child be the from the MT of the salon with HC's team? I cant remember that they slept together in the past aside fromt this event. 

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8 hours ago, jbying7 said:

Hmmm...it’s interesting. I guess it all depends on whose perspective a person chooses to look at. From what I see, right from the beginning, YJ has already expressed to the doc she was not interested.

 

Perhaps, very briefly she was moved (he called her out, sang to her in public), now whether she had sorted out her own feelings/love for JY then, the drama was still unpacking that. But the doc persisted and decided to pursue her despite her consistent stance of not feeling that way for him. If anything, it was a comfortable friendship and nothing more.

 

The doc has his own baggage. From his own relationship issues to divorce and his always-nice demeanor that’s good for his plastic surgery business (he said it himself and even his friends when they were playing tennis, acknowledged it). But I digress, the drama is not about Ho Chul/doc. 

 

And YJ, the first few episodes already showed, her early life shaped her. She was forced to grow up fast and be the responsible adult supporting her and her wheelchair-bound older brother. She’s the “giver” a good part of her life. And of course, she meets JY, Mr Nice-Guy/Mr Considerate, to everyone. It will be one of her life-long skills to learn to give outside of the only family she has ever known and it will be her flaw in relationships. 

 

Also in previous episodes, her inner thoughts reflected her trying to understand JY’s stoic and sometimes OCD ways and also showed her pondering on how to love JY. But like JY (both have this trait, in terms of communication), she kept it to herself and never really talked about it. 

 

Anyway, we’ll see how the writer/PD wraps up all these “character flaws” in the next episodes and still allow us to celebrate an ordinary love, in a non-chaebol/conglomerate way and without a life & death premise. 

 

Until next episode, have a blessed week ahead! :)

Let me clarify.  She's a "giver" with her brother, and she's open with her best friend, but she's neither with either of her romantic partners. It's an interesting dichotomy. She kept a large part of herself closed off to both JY and HC,  and she doesn't seem able to learn that being that way will damage the relationship. Or she's not willing to open up. That suggests, too, that she doesn't really fully trust either man with her feelings and thoughts, or to show them her vulnerability. Unless she's finally willing to open up and to trust, even if she and JY reunite, it'll be doomed eventually. 

1 hour ago, blackberrypie said:

If it turns out to be JY's kid, thats even more cruel to JY. Not to know his child, to be the father, and to lost the child even before he ever see it. Gosh. Thats so cruel of YJ. Instead of making me sympathise with YJ, it'll make me dislike her character more, bcos thats just too cruel of her to have robbed JY of the chance to be a father. Its not romantic at all.. please dont turn this into a makjang drama.. :crazy:

I agree. I hope it's not that way.

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21 minutes ago, pattsue said:

One thing i want to know is, why YJ chose to marry HC?

Maybe the thing that none of us wants to see happen, ie. the child is JY's, and YJ found out she is pregnant soon after he left, and HC helped by marrying her so she wouldn't be a single mother....?? I don't know, just a wild guess....

 

I wonder though, if YJ hasn't just gotten divorced, would JY's heart waver? But I do agree that he would not be the one breaking the engagement. Or even if he's already married and YJ still single when they meet, would he waver too? The writer is really good.. really good, to make them meet again while they are single. One having come out of divorce and another just about going into marriage. 

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2 hours ago, pattsue said:

One thing i want to know is, why YJ chose to marry HC?

 

I wondered about this too!   Because we know she turned him down and was rather clear about her feelings. 

I think although we see more of what JY went through after they broke up.  YJ would have suffered too when losing him and felt lost because sometimes you think a person will always be there for you until they aren't.  Even more sometimes you believe the grass is greener on the other side until you find out it's not. The doctor was always ready and willing to be with her and if it isn't YJ's child which to be honest I hope it's not.  Then I have to believe it was pure loneliness or a one night of desperation that led her to him and I think that their daughter was the bridge between them were she placed all that love she couldn't give him.  Losing her daughter or any child is devastating beyond imagination and I doubt unless you have experienced it.  Anyone is able to fully understand.   The way he chased her I truly believe he would have been satisfied with half her heart in just being happy to be near her.  Even their last supper his eyes said he still loved her and was thankful for her.  Yet she said the divorce was difficult and yet EASY because she never loved him the way he loved her and they both knew it...

 

2 hours ago, ktcjdrama said:

I wonder though, if YJ hasn't just gotten divorced, would JY's heart waver? 

 

I think his heart wavered before he even knew, the moment his eyes saw her walk through that door as they started to glisten and fill up with tears that spoke more loudly than his words ever could.  It must have taken everything he had to hold all that he was feeling in that moment and while cooking from pouring out.  While grabbing his jacket and leaving it felt as if he couldn't get out of there fast enough...

 

I guess this is why I mentioned about how all to often people settle for a love that seems good instead of great.  It's the difference in having comfort & warmth instead of passion & Heat.  I think even when thinking of YJ and his fiance sometimes it's the natural order of things moving to the next step because you believe it's what's expected within your mind.  Only to find out like JY did, that love can't be forced and living in a marriage without complete love can't produce happiness.  In fact it only produces more loneliness. 

For once you have experienced the kind of love and shared years of memories like she and YJ created.

Even with their problems and imperfections one would always yearn in hopes for that. 

 

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Hi everyone !
This drama bumps me more and more, in the episode 10 not once JY does not let burst his sorrow, it contains everything, causing pain physically, giving himself new goals, discovering his way, but not once he can not let go to the immeasurable sorrow of his breakup, this is the first thing I found strange in this episode, I would have found much healthier that it explodes once and then he does all that he did in episode 10.

In episode 10 always something else strange, when YJ goes to the toilet to cry (after seeing the spicy octopus) his image in the mirror is blurry ... I always wondered why????  especially in the drama or crying is always well highlighted ... maybe they wanted to hide a gesture of YJ? to touch your stomach or something else?

And that's where wacky theories originated in my mind ...

In episode 11 when I learned about this child and this marriage with the doctor, I thought:

What if YJ had learned about being pregnant with JY but that he had already gone to Portugal?
Why was she in Portugal exactly? Was she looking for JY to tell him?

 

being European, I know Portugal is a beautiful country, but for a hairdresser stylist who has ambition I don't understand too much this choice of Portugal? ... that's what makes me think that YJ was not there by chance (but I can be wrong of course)

 


The doc (after the accident of the child) looks sad and worries for YJ but he doesn't look devastated.

(I mean as if a dad  just lost a child)

Maybe the doc and YJ got married after this event? we know that the doc was always there for her, to help her, to support her, and above all to woo her, in a way it was the right moment for him to have what he wanted and on the other hand not surprising that this marriage didn't work ...

 

Finally when we see the little girl with YJ she is not more than 4 or 5 years old ...

Would that mean that once the YJ / JY relationship was over, would YJ have had sex with the doc? allow me to doubt it .... (or for me it would be terrible and yet I like YJ as much as JY)

Unfortunately, in the end I come to the same conclusion as some others here ...

the child would be that of YJ and JY .. what tragedy but at the same time it opportunity for the authors to pick up the pieces between them no?

Sorry, I told you that my theory would be far-fetched.

 

And sorry for my English :ph34r:

 

Looking forward to reading you.:)

 

 

 

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Chingus, I hope the child is not JY cuz that would be too much damage done. I prefer if YJ moved on and married HC. That sounds realistic and besides no offence but I don't think HC is the sacrificing type to raise another man's child with the woman he loves. And if he did it for real, then I have no words to express. However, In the flashbacks, he did look like he was grieving on that scene where he was going to work and he sees YJ and hugs her. I guess different people grieve their loved ones different ways. I won't be surprised if he got himself together due to YJ state of mind. YJ grieve is worse due to the fact she was probably on the site when her daughter died:tears:. No parent can deal with the death of a child and for those who have dealt with it and moved on are truly amazing people.YJ looks really depressed and she really needs to talk to somebody cuz she will explode hiding her feelings like that every time something happens in her life. It's not healthy. At this point, I don't care what their relationship at the end will be. I hope at the end, both are happy with themselves first. 

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I’m at mid-episode 11, stopping by to say it is one touchingly beautiful episode.  The timeskip trope works well here!  

 

There are several thematic elements from The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.  Timing of love and living life embracing everything.

 

Be back to read everyone’s comments once I am done.

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Woah, I am loving this drama despite the whiplash it is giving me.  I have just finished ep 11 with sub.  I think the title of the episode should be LOVE AND EFFORT.  It is from JY's point of view of YJ's lack of effort.  There are many scenes in this episode that can be paralleled with the first and second charm between YJ and JY.  How refreshing it must have been when the girl came out to tell him exactly how she felt.  That she missed him and she came all the way to see him.  It was like he was being found.  YJ could have told him that she called him to the police station because she missed him but no, because it was left unsaid, it looked like she was using him to get out of problem free.  
When JY was running after the girlfriend for proposal.  It looks like the scene where YJ ran after JY's car.  She should have ran till he stopped. But then again, he should have stopped just like Officer Min when he saw YJ in the rear screen mirror.  It makes you wonder.  What if YJ has put more effort to allaying JY's jealousy and insecurities?  What if JY has made more effort in understand why YJ is behaving like she did?  Would their relationship have survived?  Though JY feels sorry for Officer Min (because she seems to love him more that he loves her), he was willing to put in the effort for happiness.  What about YJ?  She was feeling sorry for JY but she wasn't willing to put in any more effort for happiness.  It is difficult not to root for JY and Officer Min's relationship because they are both putting an effort in the relationship.  I think YJ and HC's relationship would be quite toxic because both characters are unwilling to put in any more effort than necessary in a relationship.  YJ's story came out a little in ep 12 I know but I am looking forward to more explanation from ep 13 and 14.  

JY also mentioned to SH to that effect, that there's no reason why you would love someone.  You just do and you can't help it.  Ri Won somehow likes a no-good bum like SH and SH somehow likes Ri Won for her selfishness etc but is love enough for happiness?  No, look at  SH now!  Although it is very much comic relief for us but it is clear in the drama, there are issues for him.  On the flip side, JY also had said, not everything can be solved with effort.  Looking at SJ and the hairdresser boss for example.  She puts in so much effort hoping for some happiness for marriage but it is still not happening.  

Officer Min appears nothing less than a sweetie right now.  I wonder if they will make her a manipulative person like they said in the character profile.  She lacked courage in the beginning but she put in a lot of effort to obtain her happiness.  Really it seems me still that JY is better off with her and YJ should patch up her broken marriage with HC.  But then again, I am not the drama writer.  

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