[Drama 2018] The Third Charm, 제3의 매력

[Guest]

Sobsssss, the first cut is already making me cry..at the end of the trip, the villagers thank the team. JY gave the radio back to the grandpa. On the ferry...OTP stood far apart as they both look out to the sea 

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Prepare lots of tissues for tonight. Back home JY tried to text YJ but just could not find the words. He ends up calling her. They had a such forced difficult conversation, both trying to be sweet to the other but inside they are both struggling ...they know the relationship is dying.. both in tears after they put down the phone. 

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New case at the station but JY is of course feeling down. Not sure why he is cleaning up the boot of his car...perhaps lending it out for some event

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 Joon Young. lets just stop here...  Yong Jae, I'll try harder...

Omg . YJ is throwing in the towel...she says she feels sorry that it has to be so hard. JY did not want to accept it..tried to change the topic: I'll go get coffee...all the shops close one by one...too sad...

It is a sad eps...SJ bumps into his ex...flashback , her sis was the one who felt she needed to break up with him. SJ overheard it , and I suspect did the noble idiot thing to let her go...

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New friendship developing between JR and SJ

 

[dramaninja]

Yeah she the in the towel again so I dont think its going to be as easy the third time for him.

 

I think she is the one thats going to have actually do something  this time it 100% wont be easy at all I think 2 times for the same person will weigh pretty hard on him.

[Guest]

Omo!!!!!! the sis and bestie hit it off...yeokshi! they were making out but caught by JY...ahahahaahah as expected JY beat him up...made  him see the parents...sis says i like him...parents were cool cucumbers, more surprised that someone would like their daughter. bestie says he is sincere

ahahahah...he wants to marry her...have babies...wahh this storyline is so fun and unexpected

 

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, dramaninja said:

I think he resign so I guess he is leaving?

yup. I won't post the ones you have...but pretty much he realises being a cop was never what he wanted. It was done in memory of her after the first break -up. He is letting go of all the things that he that he is been trying so hard to hold onto but cannot grasp.  Joon Young. go find yourself and what your dreams are.... (SKJ completely owned these scenes)

 

True @mouse007 fluff isn't enough. Looks like tonight , the 2nd phase is over...let's see what their 3rd encounter will be like 

 

Fifth OST MV with subs

 

[dramaninja]

Thanks @triplemHe was a good cop too so that sucks but he is following his real dream now.

 

Btw what is his dream?

[Guest]

35 minutes ago, dramaninja said:

Thanks @triplemHe was a good cop too so that sucks but he is following his real dream now.

 

Btw what is his dream?

Most welcome. I really liked him as a cop too.

Good question...even he doesn't know. Young Jae asked him when they were both 20 what he wanted to be . What his ambitions were. He said he didn't have any. Even up to eps 9 , he just wanted a quiet life with her , which is not wrong of course. But YJ has big dreams..so it will be hard to reconcile their differences. I think in looking for his dreams in the 3rd phase, that is where they will both meet in Portugal. She could be there for some big fashion show, he backpacking & writing etc...

edit: so I rewatched this trailer with the Portugal scenes where he went backpacking

 

[booo28]

 Seo Kang Joon really good potraying the character as On Joon Young. and Esom too  

That feel. uuuuwwwh  now I'm curious how they will meet again at their third meeting. and how about their feeling. 

can't wait next friday !

[mouse007]

I wonder if losing JY will make YJ realize just how much he means to her.. and maybe we'll see her be the one to put in more effort in the third part?

 

It's nice to see JY go out into the world to find himself. This is a journey that will help him be okay with who he is and who he isn't so that he is more confident of himself. It will also help him realize what it is he really wants in life and not just planning his life around YJ.

[dramaninja]

He going to change alot after this dont know how much though.

 

Her friend describe  the situation perfectly, you can already see the regret towards the end.

[tali58]

15 hours ago, triplem said:

Most welcome. I really liked him as a cop too.

Good question...even he doesn't know. Young Jae asked him when they were both 20 what he wanted to be . What his ambitions were. He said he didn't have any. Even up to eps 9 , he just wanted a quiet life with her , which is not wrong of course. But YJ has big dreams..so it will be hard to reconcile their differences. I think in looking for his dreams in the 3rd phase, that is where they will both meet in Portugal. She could be there for some big fashion show, he backpacking & writing etc...

edit: so I rewatched this trailer with the Portugal scenes where he went backpacking

 

So I finally caught up watching up through the last episode, and I think I have a different take on several things from most people here.

I think I might be the only one who is glad that they broke up.  They NEEDED to break up because JY is constantly trying to limit, stop, or control YJ's growth both as a woman and as a professional. He's simply too insecure, petty, and immature, yet very controlling. And his moping,  sulking,  and whining was really starting to get on my nerves. YJ was being too tolerant because she loves him, but it's not a healthy relationship. 

When she looked so beautiful and sexy in the Cosmo pictorial, he reacted like a spoiled kid and was so unsupportive, that he hurt her feelings. On the other hand,  the doctor validated her when he told her she looked "both strong and beautiful, as well as sexy." It was both an honest compliment and showed an understanding of who YJ is -- a beautiful, strong, successful woman (who also provides a good life for her brother who now needs her), and who has achieved a LOT in 10 years of dedication and hard work. On the other hand,  JY, in his petty jealousy and selfishness, literally accused her of doing something wrong and he made her blooming natural sexiness sound as if it was wrong and practically a sin. He even ordered her to never do another photoshoot EVER again! 

 

The doctor isn't doing anything wrong. He confessed his feelings, but stepped back into friend- zone when she says she has a bf. He's there for her when she needs just a friendly ear or appreciation,  or spicy food,  lol, but without any conditions. 

I know some people suspect something sinister about him, based on what his doctor friends said on the tennis court, that he only acts nicely to get compliments and is a narcissist, but it was clearly a joke. What they said is typical bashing/ joking among men. I see my brother and his buddies, my uncles,  my male friends, as well as my son and his buddies, saying this kind of stuff to and about each other all the time, as jokes. It's "textbook" guy behavior.

Yeah, the doctor is confident, but he's earned that confidence by hard work to become a very successful surgeon.  He is aware of his good-looks, for sure, and knows how to be charming,  but he's got nothing to gain by lying or "playing" YJ. He's attracted to her confidence as well as her beauty, which is something she's missing from JW. 

But what I saw in that tennis court scene that REALLY caught my ear is that one of his buddies said that his own specialty is rehabilitative medicine. None of the other doctors identified their specialties.....So I'm wondering if the doc will bring YJ's brother to this specialist buddy and he'll diagnose that some recovery is still possible,  and he'll treat YJ's brother. After the accident, they didn't have money for top specialists. But with the doc loving YJ, and having both the connection and the money, and his character of stepping up to help any situation,  as we've seen,  I can see him stepping up to help in this case, too. If this happens,  it could create a logically emotional/ loyalty conflict for YJ when she and JY meet for the third time. Any thoughts?...

 

I understand that some JY fans think the doctor should "just go away," but he's not the problem at all.  What he is, is a direct and sharp contrast to JY and YJ sees it. The doctor listens, responds appropriately, and he's a problem solver. He's confident, so he's comfortably upportive of YJ's successes,  and actually finds her even more special as she blooms. Also,  when faced with his own heartbreak,  he shows his vulnerability,  but he's very mature about it, and even faces it openly,  as when he told YJ why he wanted a "plus 1" for the wedding. 

On the other hand, JY is constantly and repeatedly sabotaging and weakening his and YJ's relationship. Even when he knows that he is, he still won't stop or change. He just mopes around, sulks, says petty things to her, questions her love and her loyalty (which,  to me,  is the worst because in effect he's questioning her integrity), demands unreasonable behavior from her, and acts insecure constantly.  In his insecurity, he views YJ's successes as threats to their relationship. The appreciation he expresses and feels is superficial and only there until he feels threatened,  which is almost immediately,  since he doesn't feel worthy of her. As a result, he tries to control her blooming. 

The beautiful things he does to show his love for YJ (taking her to the beach to de- stress,  caring for her brother) keep her loving him.  But those few manly moments get lost and almost erased by his childish behavior all the other times,  like when he purposefully chose to pout and not call her for 4 days because of some imaginary wrongs that she committed only in his own mind. 

 

Btw, calling YJ to have a cute conversation about their love, while he's supposed to be on high alert to rush in to rescue the female cop he himself sent in on a dangerous assignment, if she gets "made" by the gang leader,  is not a mark of a good cop, and makes him an even worse chief. But it showed his immaturity. During that whole scene, I found myself thinking, "What are you doing?!! You are backup!! Your female cop is in danger on your orders!! Get off the ***** phone!!"

This kind of immaturity and misdirected focus pretty much sums up JY's mentality right now. Good, subtle, job by the writers!!!

So now that they've broken up, it'll be interesting to see how he matures, and even more interesting, WHAT will make him mature....

 

I love his mom,  although his father, while sweet, needs to grow up, too. On both sides, both siblings and best friends are my favorites in this drama. And I love the doc, too. His vulnerability when his ex- wife came to the same wedding showed that he's more than just a 'paper' character that's only there to be the love rival. It humanized him.  The siblings and best friends,  all their stories are actually much more interesting to me than the one of the main couple. 

I do hope the doctor finds someone, too, by the end. Until then, I hope he sings in more episodes. Lol. 

 

Sorry this was so long! Lol. 

[dramaninja]

Nah the doctor is a issue he cant seem to accept no at all yet he somehow think he can stick his nose where it does not belong like he has some say.

 

I really hate characters like that , they are the worse type of third wheel to me.

[sheza]

Hi everyone, delurking here.  I am so glad the they have finally broken up.  At the moment, they are like a nasty toothache that just eating them away.  

YJ has broken up with JY twice now.  If I were him, I don't think I would ever go back to a girl who has no commitment to make things work.  I think that is evident when JY spent all that time fixing the broken radio but YJ just wanted to get out and buy a new one and have fun.  I think at present JY loves YJ far more than she loves him.  I can't help but be fixated on the scene where YJ was late for work but she took time to adjust her brother's shoes.  We can see that YJ loves her brother more than anything in the world.  He is the only family she has.  It is in YJ's personality that she keeps things to herself.  Remember when the brother said that he sold the van?  We can tell that YJ doesn't approve.  There were stuff in her head that she wanted to say but she couldn't.  She held it in too just like she's doing with JY.  But JY is not family.  She has other options.  Options that are not a burden to her.  

About JY's call to YJ when he was on a dangerous mission.  In his most anxious moment, YJ is all he could think of.  It was like YJ is the most important person for him at the point of death.  So for JY, YJ is his everything.  

The brother was also on the same page (pun intended) with JY about the magazine spread.  It was okay for the brother to say it but coming from a boyfriend, it appears unsupportive.  There's obviously a different expectation YJ has of JY.  Perhaps she wanted a boyfriend that is less like her brother, whom she has to take care of and has been her burden for years.  After all, she couldn't do what she wants for years because of her responsibility towards her brother.  Why would she want to tie herself down to another guy who is needy?  She needed that stress reliever like @packmule3 has suggested.  But at present, JY is such a high maintenance guy who needed her attention and assurances while this is not what she has the ability to give at present. 

As for JY, he needs to have a goal that's apart from YJ so that it gives her room to breathe.  He also need to step up and take the lead even when YJ appears more domineering over him.  I think the romantic scene at the beach was so poignant.  YJ needed some space to get away from it all  and in her weakest moment, JY brought her there.  She couldn't have loved him more for that moment.  In contrast to the next day where he sulked and refused to bring her out to play after a big project.  Instead she was the one who had to initiate to make up.  Doing this too much will be suffocating for her. JY would be too emotionally draining for her.  On the flip side, I am really impressed with JY when he carried the brother and the old lady who needed a hair cut.  I hope YJ can see that JY is strong enough to carry the burden for the both of them if only she allows him to be the leader in the relationship.  

I am going into the third charm with trepidation.  I hope the writer can convince me why these two should be together.  Because at present, I think they are better off without each other.  
 

[jbying7]

Yes, I agree with all the thoughts shared. I especially love the clip of a summary of their love relaeased by jtbc. Thanks for sharing @triplem It showed SKJ has really matured as an actor, each emotion, so controlled and so well delivered by him. I started out thinking Esom will be the smoother and more well-acted one but SKJ is totally owning the scenes in this drama. 

 

I haven’t watched the Ep 10 yet and I know I will cry...but I also know I’m simply moved by this  ordinary & weighted love journey of the OTP. Although for all the ordinary-ness of this drama, there are some tiny, weeny things that bugged me...so please allow me to backtrack a little...

 

1. In Ep 6,  where YJ and SH had a girlfight  after the catwalk show, there was a cut on Esom’s neck (and in one scene, there was even smeared blood). I thought it was for the story and yes, she had a bandaid on it afterwards but there was no mention of it by JY. His character is slightly OCD and noticed little details about YJ, so I was a little puzzled by that oversight...?

 

2. And YJ’s brother’s hairstyle...that “mop” on his head! I kept trying to reconcile the fact that YJ is an up-and-coming hairstylist and hair salon trainer and her brother went around with a “mop” on his head...sigh...but the show did address it slightly when YJ was cutting his bangs and wanted to fix his hairstyle and he resisted because it was part of him wanting to have some control of his life since his accident. So it was part of his healing process...? And YJ respected her brother’s wishes. And in Ep 9 when he went for the charity trip, his hairstyle was “neatened” in time for him to meet JR...hahaha

 

Last thought - in Ep 9, I cried at the part when YJ got bored while waiting and stepped outside for a while and JY just kept going at the radio and he was tearing...I love that scene. I see JY’s inner struggle, torn between his orderly, stickler-to-details, empathy-for-others self and yet he knew he needed to be present for YJ but he couldn’t drop what he started...

 

I like how the writer is painting the growth journey of JY. His pettiness, his immaturity in the relationship. I know there’s also much to learn for YJ too, but her backstory was more straight forward from the beginning, she had a rough time growing up and had to be the pillar of strength for her and her brother for the past 7 yrs...?

 

Anyway, I’m looking forward to the “third charm” of their relationship, that they will find their own identities along the way and that they still love each other all along (Right?!!!)

 

Sigh...true love. 

 

Have a a good weekend! 

[lu09]

Good job JY. Go out and find yourself. Indeed, goodbye 27 years old. YJ pointed out what her problem is in a relationship and as her friend said, she will regret this down the line. I hope she works hard to get him on the third charm cuz there is no way on earth JY will be the same after this. I love the new relationship with the siblings lol. For YJ bro, he is starting to open up and his career is finally starting with romance on the way. We finally found out about the ex girlfriend but sadly he was the one to let her go. She now has a family on her own and YJ bro is probably glad he made that decision years ago. As for JY sister,  I was laughing like crazy when JY caught his friend and sister lol. The look of his face was priceless. 

[darr]

This time around, she will be the one running after him to win his heart all over again.

U don't know what you have until you miss it.

 

Loving somebody so much has its pros and cons.

He created a world around her even in her absence cos he craved for recognition from her as she emotionally reduced him to nothing.

Even if she was passing through a lot which wasn't his fault anyway, she shouldn't have spoken that way to him to break up.

She wrecked that guy psychologically and the result was trying to live a life that will suit her as she said he is beneath her.

 

And this second break up. I totally blame her.

 

U don't friend zone a man. It's nearly impossible to have a male friend that will not think of taking you to bed if the chance arises than ladies.

It's women that are sometimes delusional about such and the men play along with that. Don't give a man the + sign. He will take it as you are interested but need a little shoving to come along and besides, there is sense of joy and pride in the chasing as men are generally competitive in nature.

She don't want the Dr, but she is seen hanging around with him sometimes.

The Dr will see it as a positive sign and forge ahead which he did.

If eventually he hears they have broken up, he will start pursuing her more and I wouldn't be surprised if something happens at the end of the day even when her heart don't want it.

 

As for the mag photo shoot, he was actually very happy and bought the mag to check her out. It was only when his colleagues started making funny comments that he lost it. For one who is very insecure, he did what he did out of fear. If opportunity comes again for her to do mag photo shoot, he can't say no judging from his character. He can do anything for her and she knows it so even when he is afraid she is getting exposed indecently to the world, as long as it will make her happy, he will not say no.

 

I'm so happy he has gone out to discover himself and love himself.  He might end up having a negative vibes about relationships this time around as according to him, as he was never good enough for her, he may as well not be good enough for anybody. Or he might decide to treat women harsh.

 

What annoyed me most was that she didn't care to explain what happened between her and the Dr at the beach and just broke up.

She knew he was waiting for an explanation.

She pretended as if nothing happened. Why then cry?

She then ended the relationship the second time again without setting things right.

 

Listen to his thoughts at the end and that sums the drama up for the mean time.

I expect to see a matured man in control of his emotions and confidence stepping out in style whichever path he choose to follow.

[tali58]

12 minutes ago, darr said:

This time around, she will be the one running after him to win his heart all over again.

U don't know what you have until you miss it.

 

Loving somebody so much has its pros and cons.

He created a world around her even in her absence cos he craved for recognition from her as she emotionally reduced him to nothing.

Even if she was passing through a lot which wasn't his fault anyway, she shouldn't have spoken that way to him to break up.

She wrecked that guy psychologically and the result was trying to live a life that will suit her as she said he is beneath her.

 

And this second break up. I totally blame her.

 

U don't friend zone a man. It's nearly impossible to have a male friend that will not think of taking you to bed if the chance arises than ladies.

It's women that are sometimes delusional about such and the men play along with that. Don't give a man the + sign. He will take it as you are interested but need a little shoving to come along and besides, there is sense of joy and pride in the chasing as men are generally competitive in nature.

She don't want the Dr, but she is seen hanging around with him sometimes.

The Dr will see it as a positive sign and forge ahead which he did.

If eventually he hears they have broken up, he will start pursuing her more and I wouldn't be surprised if something happens at the end of the day even when her heart don't want it.

 

As for the mag photo shoot, he was actually very happy and bought the mag to check her out. It was only when his colleagues started making funny comments that he lost it. For one who is very insecure, he did what he did out of fear. If opportunity comes again for her to do mag photo shoot, he can't say no judging from his character. He can do anything for her and she knows it so even when he is afraid she is getting exposed indecently to the world, as long as it will make her happy, he will not say no.

 

I'm so happy he has gone out to discover himself and love himself.  He might end up having a negative vibes about relationships this time around as according to him, as he was never good enough for her, he may as well not be good enough for anybody. Or he might decide to treat women harsh.

 

What annoyed me most was that she didn't care to explain what happened between her and the Dr at the beach and just broke up.

She knew he was waiting for an explanation.

She pretended as if nothing happened. Why then cry?

She then ended the relationship the second time again without setting things right.

 

Listen to his thoughts at the end and that sums the drama up for the mean time.

I expect to see a matured man in control of his emotions and confidence stepping out in style whichever path he choose to follow.

I don't think she wrecked him. She just got tired of being doubted all the time and being made responsible for his happiness and dealing with his insecurities. She told him over and over that he's the only one she loves, but he kept doubting her, questioning her, constantly asking for reassurances and basically sabotaging everything. It's like dating a needy little kid. It's emotionally exhausting. So I don't blame her at all for not explaining herself anymore. 

 

As you pointed out, and I think we all agreed on that, he built his entire world on her, and that's a heck of a burden to put on her shoulders. 

He can't confidently love her like a man until he learns to be a man,  love himself, figure out what he wants in life, and find himself. So the best thing,  really, that she could do for him is break up with him,  because he wouldn't have done it on his own. This will,  hopefully, force him to grow up.

I think she knows that she'll miss him, but she's just exasperated and mentally tired of it all. She needs more, and they're not in the same place, in life or emotionally. 

[tali58]

5 hours ago, dramaninja said:

Nah the doctor is a issue he cant seem to accept no at all yet he somehow think he can stick his nose where it does not belong like he has some say.

 

I really hate characters like that , they are the worse type of third wheel to me.

Lol. Men in love don't follow perfect etiquette.  He can tell she's not getting what she needs from her boyfriend, and he sees JY's immature behavior.  Her Nos to him aren't fully empathic, are they? She's always happy to see him. She also relaxes around him and acts confident with him. So he's getting mixed messages from her, which allow him to hope. She's also clearly attracted to him, which I can't blame her for, he cares for her, and he's there to listen to her when she's upset, so she's either intentionally or unintentionally keeping him around her, even while saying No. Can't blame the man for hoping and for wanting to be around her. He's not doing anything underhanded,  or nasty, or mean, and is a good guy. 

[tali58]

On 10/26/2018 at 3:26 PM, mouse007 said:

@chickfactor thank you so much for the preview translation.

 

I love that there's so much depth to this drama. There's just so much to discuss and analyze! I love reading all of your posts and thoughts here! @packmule3 I really enjoyed your post and agree to it as well. JY needs to stop putting YJ on a pedestal or else he'll give and give and give and continue to feel insecure and burnt out at the end. The problem with putting people on a pedestal is that you tend to excuse their faults and overcompensate for their shortcomings  because you think you don't deserve them and or that you are somehow lacking. We see JY always bending backwards and doing everything for YJ. And YJ needs to stop thinking of JY as her stress-reliever or else she'll only think of him as a source of comfort and take him and his feelings for granted. I think she does appreciate JY but she seems to still put her needs first. 

 

I also don't understand why YJ keeps spending time with the doctor. Sure, she doesn't return his feelings nor does she seem him that way. But knowing that he likes her and that it bothers JY, she should stop hanging out with him. If anyone saw them together, it would be natural for other people to assume that there is something going on between them. And it sends the wrong message to both men.

 

 

You're right about why is YJ spending time with the doctor. She IS sending him double messages. She feels validated and appreciated by him,  and especially because he doesn't demand anything of her. So while I can't blame her for wanting all that, I also feel that she is being unfair to both men, both who love her. 

[darr]

@tali58, that guy didn't hate himself. He is simply insecure and she knew it. What is a relationship without sacrifice?  Help ur partner discover himself/herself any way you can.

His love was too intense,explosive that she can't handle it and see it as boring and exploitative or boxed in a corner. 

Honestly speaking, had she known how to handle such kind of man e.g., helping him get more confidence in himself, if she ask him to lay his life for her, he will do that.

Explosive love tends to be possessive in nature.

He just need to shed off the insecurities he had while growing up as anti social and one the society don't want. That's his only problem. He is still smart

 

She also asked him if he had loved her all those times she hasn't been up front with her. One after the other and he kept on saying yes. Why did she ask? Cos she want reassurance too.

 

in relationships we often ask those irrelevant questions. 

His best wasn't enough as he said.

She will become very successful as she want but there will be a hole in her life only him can fill.

She is an extrovert, he is introverted.

She is actually the proud type. He is the sacrificial type.  Did you watch the drama" introverted boss"

U will see that the two guys have almost the same qualities . The only difference here is that the leading lady in introverted boss helped the guy rediscover himself. She helped him boast his ego and he took it from there. He was worst than this guy in the beginning but the lady tried even when she failed to make him become secure and fight for himself.

What has she given as a sacrifice? 

What did he do wrong in the first break up? Nothing, except that he loved her wholeheartedly. Instead of leaning on him even if it didn't make sense when her brother had an accident,

Rather,she first finished him with her sassy mouth and then expect him to be ok cos they happened to get back together. Even at that, he was trying to fit it into her world. Didn't see her ask for forgiveness for what she did. Rather he was the one who asked for forgiveness.

Even when he was drunk before her after bailing her from the police station, he asked those agonising questions, I expected her to give an honest answer and apologise but she didn't. She only said is he was sorry later. Sorry for what? She wrecked an already insecure man with her bad mouth. Look at the way it affected his life. He thought he did something bad. 

 

I hope she discovers her wrong before they meet again and do the right thing this time around. Starting from the day she talked down on him.

 

And I also hope that she will be ok seeing him friend zoning a babe that she knew has interest in him as a man. Let's see how she can take it.

 

[Jusyed]

Justs finished the latest episode - I cried when Soo Jae overheard the conversation and when tried to ask his gf to leave him and when he cried in the bathroom... what a sad situations for him and he is very positive now he can have someone to talk to beside YJ...Joo Ran....

 

I didn’t cry when YJ  cried after the phone conversation. But I do cry watching JY quiet and sad scene especially after he secretly visited and watching YJ from a far...... And furthermore the Sign “will you Marry me YJ.....” when the Car boot cover was opened...It was a sad scene..indeed...

 

But even....I feel it is good thing that they broke- up. And it is  a good thing he resigned. I am glad that JY did not go and beg YJ to go back again. Enough is enough.