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  1. 1. Was there an affair?

    • No, there was no affair. It was one sided on Yoo Ri's part
    • Yes, there was an ongoing affair.
    • It was a one night stand.
  2. 2. The Conspiracy Theory

    • Yoo Ri is not the real daughter but the VP's mistress.
    • Sung Joon is doing this for his own gain ( to advance his career).
    • The VP hired Yoo Ri to destroy the Sung Joon - Jung Sun.
    • This is a high-end escort service.
    • There really is no conspiracy - just a marriage breaking down.

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1 hour ago, smlinwa said:

man - so much for our theories.  this is starting to look like a bit of a let down - no huge revenge, no hopeful and happy ending. Just move on like real life. Lol. This is a drama. We want our happy or at least satisfying ending! 

 

TELL ME ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! :triumph:

 

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I mean, SJ is nooooooooooooow pulling a 180 on JS and YR? Where was all that in Ep. 5 when JS asked SJ to come clean about the circumstances revolving the affair so that they can start over with an honest, clean conscience? Why was he hanging around YR during the last 2-7 episodes (if we count the end of Ep. 8 with the whole "SJ's mistress" reveal): YR's grief over her mother's death? YR's birthday? Is the screenwriter really trying to pull a fast one on us by implanting SJ's abrupt regret over his decision to "go evil all the way"? Has the writer forgotten that SJ's thoughtless actions over his affair with YR was ALSO screwing with the VIP team, not just JS!?:angry:

 

Moreover, JS didn't actually know about SJ's wedlock birth until SJ's mother begged her for forgiveness? JS is thinking about YR's accusation of her not knowing about the pain SJ was going through during that 1-year grieving period over the stillbirth (btw, YR, SJ's breakdown was NOT JUST about his father's death/familial circumstances <_<)? I can understand JS's resigned decision to let go of her revenge plan of "dragging SJ with her to hell" and just divorce SJ, but I'll be darned if the screenwriter assumes that we the audience will accept at face value the possibility of JS "uncharacteristically" taking back SJ just because of the "wedlock" revelation and SJ's staying by her side at the hospital bed.

 

Up until Ep. 5-8, I would have understood why JS would take him back- yes, even with the revealing of SJ's complicity with the VP over the slash fund and the VP's past mistresses. If it weren't for SJ's foolish decision to become emotionally involved with YR, I (and perhaps JS?) would consider SJ's handling of the VP's previous affairs as nothing more than shady business that more-or-less affect JS's marriage and work (SJ's career would be a totally different story, obviously). But at the end of Ep. 15 followed by the finale? That'll require some mental gymnastics and "jumping the shark" for the writer and/or director to make us the audience buy into the whole JS-SJ reconciliation arc.

 

And even then, that doesn't necessarily guarantee the full comeuppance that SJ, YR, and the VP (idk about Director Bae yet) should get for all their careless actions that compromised both JS and the VIP team. YR shouldn't just run off to the U.S. or benefit from the matchmaker's advice in accepting a possible match with the T.O. Group heir or some other chaebol; she must grovel in the mud for daring to step on JS and the VIP team when all they did was being mindful and considerate for her when she was just a rookie with the "VP's mistress" rumors and no work qualifications. At this point, losing SJ is not punishment enough for YR anymore. I'm not going to bother with lashing out at the VP or Director Bae; it goes without saying about the VP having to pay for his white-collar crimes/illegal slash funds, as well as Director Bae being blacklisted at all other (VIP) companies for his sexual harassment cases.

 

On a much happier note, get that recognition for all the hard work including this VIP event today, MN!!!! Remember, MN, that  you have your husband BH, your 2-going-3 children, JS, HA, SW, JY (Jinyoung), and us the audience cheering you on!!! :glasses:

 

Last but not least, keep the HA-JH lovebird ship sailing; they, especially HA, deserve all the love and happiness!!!! :heart:

 

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We have been duped. Not only was JS cheated, I think so are we. :unamused:
Just watched it raw. Half of the time it is about YR waiting for SJ, cooking in her fancy kitchen, talking to the VP, meeting and impressing a chaebol, demanding JS divorce SJ and when she is not in the centre of the scene - when JS fell, the camera is on her face, her reactions, her tears... :angry::triumph: really who gives a crap what she feels!! The title says ' were we ever in love'. The interactions between JS and SJ are barely 10 minutes, all about work except for the few moments when he is drunk and she is the hospital bed. Maybe the other forums are on the side of this shameless hussy? So the writer and PD think viewers will just love to watch her? ( retch, retch...). 
The only consolation is that JS and SJ met in the preview and a large envelope is in front of him.  But neither is shown leaving with a box. 
It is so stupid. The tart is going to study in the US and even if they broke up, JS

needs to leave that company. Work for/with the two of them?, she must not.  I am disappointed with this episode and I am ready to be extremely peed off tomorrow night. That fall should be something big, but no, it is about SJ realising he still loves his wife, YR realising her mistress days may be over, don't go near a drunk near a staircase, the hospital room is nice.

Other than that, it is a total let down.

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On 12/20/2019 at 7:38 AM, TXviewer said:

I saw that the new drama had started. Was waiting until more episodes were downloaded, but if it is a cute romance I will start watching it. I love the ML. Are you on a forum about this show?

 

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After watching episode 15 and seeing the preview for 16, I still think there is hope for JS and SJ.  I know there is only 1 hour left to the drama, but a lot can happen in an hour with a time jump.  I knew SJ always loved JS and his guilt and feelings of shame after the incident with Yuri caused him to react the way he did.  He was afraid she would never forgive him. When JS asked him to leave that night, he felt defeated and so he went to Yuri.  I always said she was his second choice.  Not because he loved her but because he understood her and what she was going through. She was sad and needed him and he needed her to help him.  As I said before, they were kindred spirits and related to each other on a different level than him and JS.  (Empathy) Not Love.

 

I think the CEO will end up being the one that lets the affair scandal out.  JS would not stoop to that level.  Once the affair is out in the open then the VP, who has warned Yuri and SJ to not see each other until after the divorce will send Yuri to the states to study.   She will choose to go as Ha Yuri instead of On Yuri otherwise she would lose the VPs backing.  SJ will be remorseful and possibly quit the company and start again.  After time, I think he and JS will meet and realize they were much happier together than apart because they do truly love each other.

 

This drama has been excellent at keeping us focused and tuning in while going crazy over what happens next.  I really do not see the writer letting us down by just having them divorce at the end of the drama.  There have been so many twists and turns and if a divorce in the end is all there was to this drama then too many people would be upset.  The drama has been all about their marriage and I believe that time to heal and forgiveness would be the best ending.  Still a hopeless romantic.  

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Oopsie think I might need to find someone doing a recap before watching. Who's doing a recap please? I mean a blogger. Thank you.

 

I will just watch the fall down stairs scene thanks. Bugger that It will show YR's reaction. I am a sucker watching a good well done accident scene. Sounds as if it's not.

 

I need to go to  " war of the prosecutor " next to get spoilers. It's before 6am here Christmas Eve. So Kdrama is not high on my priority so not even getting upset. I just think I will be wanting to read a recap after reading the spoilers here and not waste 1hr of my time watching YR.

 

Good luck to all of you emotionally invested in this drama.

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If the writer and director play their cards right, this has the potential to be a 2 to 3 season drama. There is enough fertile soil to show the next chapter in the characters personal and professional life.

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1 hour ago, foreverempress said:

If the writer and director play their cards right, this has the potential to be a 2 to 3 season drama. There is enough fertile soil to show the next chapter in the characters personal and professional life.

Doubtful.  The drama finished shooting months ago and the audience besides praising Jang Nara's superb acting are already very frustrated  with the drama and Lee Sang Yoon's acting as you can see from the K-netz comments 

 

1 hour ago, ck1Oz said:

Oopsie think I might need to find someone doing a recap before watching. Who's doing a recap please? I mean a blogger. Thank you.

 

I will just watch the fall down stairs scene thanks. Bugger that It will show YR's reaction. I am a sucker watching a good well done accident scene. Sounds as if it's not.

 

I need to to to  " war of the prosecutor " next to get spoilers. It's before 6am here Christmas Eve. So Kdrama is not high on my priority so not even getting upset. I just think I will be wanting to read a recap after reading the spoilers here and not waste 1hr of my time watching YR.

 

 

Good luck to all of you emotionally invested in this drama.

:lol: I think I am going to wait for recaps too as i don't want to waste anymore time on the pathetic YR or vile SJ and I'm tired of seeing Jang Nara being crapped on and getting the short end of the stick.

 

If there was a rest of VIP team cut about Hyun Ah, Mi Na, Sang Woo, Jin Ho and Byung Hoon I would watch that instead because I actually enjoy their scenes. :lol:

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Yet to watch episode with sub 

 if we are not getting happy ending or interesting one :mrgreen:

 

Can at least get this :joy:

 

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Be like :sweat_smile:

 

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My big take away from episode 15...look how much SJ smiled, hugged, and gave little kisses to JS. I never saw him do this with “that girl”! “That girl” even says he doesn’t look happy when he is with her. 
 

I think the conversation at the kitchen table is last that they will have as husband and wife.

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My view is the writer try to make a different ‘affair drama’ by having the mistress is not the typical outgoing, seducing type like we used to have in mind. So she created a pitiful wet dog goldfish look like kind of mistress and the affair starts because of pity instead of cheat. She thinks viewer can fall for the mistress character just like PSJ. But she miscalculate JNR amazing performance as NJS that this ‘fresh idea’ backfires. 
 

so when things not going as expected, she tried to mend her writing and made PSJ has a dark secret that’s why he can’t leave the VP n YR. and finally make JS wants to divorce him. seriously to me the dark side of PSJ happened so suddenly and did not fit his character all along. Honestly ep 14 and 15 is kinda lacking as it doesn’t solve anything about SJ-JS issue. The problem is still going on back and forth like a pendulum. 
 

i said this before and I said it again, the writer try to give a new idea that not all mistress are bad person (as the mistress is represented by SJ mom n YR). Both are weak and soft characters who needs protection. 

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7 hours ago, cenching said:

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I really like her makeup in this scene. Hahaha

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I hope the writer addresses some of our questions in the last episode.  I have a few that I am curious about. 

 

1.  How will JS's father react to the news of SJ cheating on JS and their divorce?  Will he encourage her to forgive him or will he be upset and tell JS to let him go.

2.  Will JS and SJ finally talk about their marriage and the breakdown between them?

3.  Will SJ finally tell JS how he ended up with Yuri and why he became the VP's lapdog? 

4.  Will SJ tell JS that the funeral he went to was for his father and he broke down because he died without them ever having a relationship?

5.  Will JS empathize with SJ regarding his birth secret or will she be appalled that his mother was also a mistress? 

6.  Will the CEO reveal the fact that the VP had secret share accounts to keep him from ever being the CEO?

 

I am sure many of you also have questions.  With one hour to go, I hope all our questions, are answered and we can leave this drama with a satisfied feeling.

 

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1 hour ago, liltash85 said:

so when things not going as expected, she tried to mend her writing and made PSJ has a dark secret that’s why he can’t leave the VP n YR. and finally make JS wants to divorce him. seriously to me the dark side of PSJ happened so suddenly and did not fit his character all

It is not just JNR's performance but the so-called dark secret is being illegitimate and cleaning up his boss' horny activities. 
There are so many KDs which had the mistress installed as Lady of the mansion and the offspring is the heir. It is just so weak, so lacking in ideas. Now paying off mistresses and being the front for shares bought by his boss is hardly the reason to breakup a loving marriage. A wife who works with him would understand office politics. 
 

I agree that the writer and PD want to give another POV on a mistress. In which case, the actress has to be someone as accomplished as JNR. This actress needs more experience to play a rival against an established actress. This is just too ambitious.

 

It is not the 'secret' that makes me want SJ to be out of JS' life, it is what happens after he is found out. He tells  his BFF how he feels for her in no uncertain terms, his tender moments with YR are shown as real feelings, he does not hide or lie about seeing her. He says to the father legit or no that he wants to be with her. I cannot believe that a man who still loves his wife would rub it in the way SJ has done  from episode 7 onwards. If the writer wishes to give a twist such as making him realise he still loves his wife and wants to return to her in the last episode, he should have been in a typical 'secret' relationship. I would think  he cares for JS not to hurt or humiliate her. Then seeing how he could lose her, the bulb lights up, his heart pounds etc.  But he had burnt his bridges with their relationship. So what is there to go back to? YR is still as clingy and needy as earlier on.

 

 A comedian defines a mistress as someone who is between the master and the matress.  If it is just sex, it would be more plausible that he would want to return home after a short while.

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Not everyone will be Happy on the direction of this episode but I was.

 

It's time for JS to Move on. I was happy when she Told her Ex (yes he's her EX now. Yeehaw) to "End" what they have.

 

I rooted for her to take revenge but then i realized that revenge will make her feel pain all over again. I don't want her to get tormented, wasting her time & energy on a man who doesn't deserve it.

 

I got so mad when I read some comments hoping for the couple to come back together.

Why?

When a man cheats, Society expects that women should just Up and forgive them. Why? Because they are men!

If Reverse was the case, The woman would be sacrificed and her head will be served on a platter.

Why? Because there are some Standards Society requires women to keep. 

 

It annoys me a lot.

 

Yes, We as humans can find ways to forgive each other. Learn from our mistakes and leave the past behind us. Often times, it's hard but we strive to move ahead.

 

It's never gonna be easy getting back together with partners who had affairs but some do & they make it work while others don't.

 

For JS, she Needs to leave him. He treated her like she wasn't worth it. He hid a lot of things from her. She doesn't even know his past. He humiliated her in the eyes of her colleagues (howbeit indirectly), made her the object of pity, allowed her to be a game for the VP to play with just so he could make his "daughter" comfortable.

 

That's not right!

 

She deserves Freedom.

She deserves Peace.

She Deserves Happiness that the world still have to offer.

For the sake of her Physical & Mental Health, She Needs to leave Him be.

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More ranting about Ep. 15...ugh, even writing this feels like a chore...not much different from how I'm feeling about dedicating 15 precious hours on a NOT-SO-DIFFERENT, NOT-SO-FRESH "affair drama"...:sleepy:

 

2 hours ago, liltash85 said:

My view is the writer try to make a different ‘affair drama’ by having the mistress is not the typical outgoing, seducing type like we used to have in mind. So she created a pitiful wet dog goldfish look like kind of mistress and the affair starts because of pity instead of cheat. She thinks viewer can fall for the mistress character just like PSJ. But she miscalculate JNR amazing performance as NJS that this ‘fresh idea’ backfires. 
 

so when things not going as expected, she tried to mend her writing and made PSJ has a dark secret that’s why he can’t leave the VP n YR. and finally make JS wants to divorce him. seriously to me the dark side of PSJ happened so suddenly and did not fit his character all along. Honestly ep 14 and 15 is kinda lacking as it doesn’t solve anything about SJ-JS issue. The problem is still going on back and forth like a pendulum. 
 

i said this before and I said it again, the writer try to give a new idea that not all mistress are bad person (as the mistress is represented by SJ mom n YR). Both are weak and soft characters who needs protection. 

 

(PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not take offense about what I'm going to say in reaction to your post, @liltash85!!!!!!:cry: This is directed toward the VIP screenwriter, not you.)

 

To the screenwriter: Yeah, yeah, yeah...and neither I nor most of the Soompiers/viewers buy this sorry excuse of a "fresh", "different" affair drama. What were you thinking when concocting this dementia-now-dead mother/destitute/secret birth sob-story for YR and the pitiful wedlock birth circumstances for SJ in order to excuse their decisions in carrying on this (emotional, if not physical) affair behind the "wealthy", "strong"- but unmistakably vulnerable and grief-stricken- JS's back while giving YR (and sometimes SJ?) excessive "woe is me" scenes that're doing basically NOTHING to gauge our sympathy towards her? Did you think all this sob-stories would sway us the audience (or JS, for that matter) into condoning their careless actions that are hurting not only JS but also the VIP team at work, now that the VP AND his sister/chairwoman (and Director Bae and maybe even the VP's wife) are using SJ's and YR's affair as some sort of power play to up one another at the company?

 

Speaking of which, I'm side-eyeing the chairwoman based on the (another yet unrevealed!? <_<) scene of the chairwoman's discussion with Director Bae at her office and the finale preview. The chairwoman is no different from her brother/VP in terms of exploiting others' personal pains (JS's grievance over SJ's affair and shady work practices with the VP, HA's and MN's grievance over Director Bae's work sexual harassment and extortion, etc.) to her own advantage at the company and family. Furthermore, there's no way that Director Bae would meet with and allow the chairwoman (or the VP's wife) to obtain, let alone release, photos of SJ's and YR's recent interactions without ensuring that she agree to his demands...which would MOST LIKELY include reinstatement of his job position at Sungwoon Department Store and/or dismissal of his work harassment/extortion cases so that he would not be further blacklisted at other companies for his misconduct. If what I mentioned in the last sentence does happen in the finale, this would be a significantly heinous betrayal to HA, MN, and other victims of Director Bae's unforgivable misconduct that normally results in higher-ranking sexual predators keeping their job without punishment while more-or-less forcing victims out of a job and blacklisting them for being "non-team players" or "whistleblowers defaming the company's reputation". That alone would be another reason for me to "blacklist" the screenwriter for ending that side story with such dire injustice towards past and would-be victims of work harassment, including HA and the pregnant, married MN. :thumbsdown:

 

Going back to the whole SJ/YR sob story over their familial circumstances...isn't the writer doing a huge disservice to SJ, YR, and JS by practically giving them their parents' fates, with SJ and YR being products of adultery or premarital affair, respectively, and JS being a product of a failed marriage/abandonment by her mother committing an affair due to her insecurities over her father's family looking down on her (yes, I rewatched Ep. 6 where JS finally asked her mother at the hospital why she left her and her father :tears:). I, for one, believe that the parents' upbringing, past/current/future misdemeanors or crimes, or other aspects DO NOT- and SHOULD NOT- either define their children's overall character/fate or absolve the children from being responsible for their own actions that happen to be similar to that of their parents. But apparently this writer thinks otherwise...:unamused: 

 

To the screenwriter: Next time you want to create characters whom you want us to sympathize despite making otherwise thoughtless decisions that cause unjustified hurt towards those who trust them and don't deserve such treatment, read (and Google Translate, if you must) the following quote from a now-deceased self-help author Wayne Dyer:

 

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Now we wait for the finale tomorrow...on Christmas Eve, of all days!!! I need a hug right now...

 

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“VIP” Once Again Hits New High Point In Viewership Ratings

“VIP” Once Again Hits New High Point In Viewership Ratings

Dec 24, 2019
by R. Jun

SBS’s “VIP” is continuing to hit new high points in viewership ratings!

According to Nielsen Korea, the December 23 broadcast of the drama recorded averages of 11.9 and 14.9 percent nationwide for its two episodes, peaking at 18.8 percent in its most-watched minute.

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Surely, goodness, the pictures will still be released. There has to be repercussions for what the bad guys have done.  I'm proud JS is letting SJ go - that's the only thing she can do for her peace of mind. Still, I hope the ending isn't white-washed - I still want the bad guys punished. I just don't see any redeeming qualities in Director Bae, the VP & YR. (I think YR has lost her mojo, another way of saying she's lost her confidence, energy, & success. I just didn't want to attribute those three words to YR.)

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I don’t think JS and SJ were ever meant to be the end game. As the CEO said, sometimes love isn’t enough. It wasn’t enough for SJ during their marriage and now it’s not enough for JS. 

 

The ending is bittersweet for me. I’m happy that JS can finally let go of him. Her journey was unbearable and I’m happy that she can start her healing now. For SJ, I think he’ll realise that he had someone who saw something great in him when he couldn’t see it. JS loved him, all of him, but he didn’t think that was enough. He never let her all the way in in order to notice that. I think it’ll break him when he realises what he has lost. 

 

I kept remembering their their walk in the rain after the funeral. She wanted to lead a simple and quiet life with him and he wanted to prove to the world that he was someone. 

 

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