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  1. 1. Was there an affair?

    • No, there was no affair. It was one sided on Yoo Ri's part
    • Yes, there was an ongoing affair.
    • It was a one night stand.
  2. 2. The Conspiracy Theory

    • Yoo Ri is not the real daughter but the VP's mistress.
    • Sung Joon is doing this for his own gain ( to advance his career).
    • The VP hired Yoo Ri to destroy the Sung Joon - Jung Sun.
    • This is a high-end escort service.
    • There really is no conspiracy - just a marriage breaking down.

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1 hour ago, foreverempress said:

If the writer and director play their cards right, this has the potential to be a 2 to 3 season drama. There is enough fertile soil to show the next chapter in the characters personal and professional life.

Doubtful.  The drama finished shooting months ago and the audience besides praising Jang Nara's superb acting are already very frustrated  with the drama and Lee Sang Yoon's acting as you can see from the K-netz comments 

 

1 hour ago, ck1Oz said:

Oopsie think I might need to find someone doing a recap before watching. Who's doing a recap please? I mean a blogger. Thank you.

 

I will just watch the fall down stairs scene thanks. Bugger that It will show YR's reaction. I am a sucker watching a good well done accident scene. Sounds as if it's not.

 

I need to to to  " war of the prosecutor " next to get spoilers. It's before 6am here Christmas Eve. So Kdrama is not high on my priority so not even getting upset. I just think I will be wanting to read a recap after reading the spoilers here and not waste 1hr of my time watching YR.

 

 

Good luck to all of you emotionally invested in this drama.

:lol: I think I am going to wait for recaps too as i don't want to waste anymore time on the pathetic YR or vile SJ and I'm tired of seeing Jang Nara being crapped on and getting the short end of the stick.

 

If there was a rest of VIP team cut about Hyun Ah, Mi Na, Sang Woo, Jin Ho and Byung Hoon I would watch that instead because I actually enjoy their scenes. :lol:

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My big take away from episode 15...look how much SJ smiled, hugged, and gave little kisses to JS. I never saw him do this with “that girl”! “That girl” even says he doesn’t look happy when he is with her. 
 

I think the conversation at the kitchen table is last that they will have as husband and wife.

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My view is the writer try to make a different ‘affair drama’ by having the mistress is not the typical outgoing, seducing type like we used to have in mind. So she created a pitiful wet dog goldfish look like kind of mistress and the affair starts because of pity instead of cheat. She thinks viewer can fall for the mistress character just like PSJ. But she miscalculate JNR amazing performance as NJS that this ‘fresh idea’ backfires. 
 

so when things not going as expected, she tried to mend her writing and made PSJ has a dark secret that’s why he can’t leave the VP n YR. and finally make JS wants to divorce him. seriously to me the dark side of PSJ happened so suddenly and did not fit his character all along. Honestly ep 14 and 15 is kinda lacking as it doesn’t solve anything about SJ-JS issue. The problem is still going on back and forth like a pendulum. 
 

i said this before and I said it again, the writer try to give a new idea that not all mistress are bad person (as the mistress is represented by SJ mom n YR). Both are weak and soft characters who needs protection. 

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I hope the writer addresses some of our questions in the last episode.  I have a few that I am curious about. 

 

1.  How will JS's father react to the news of SJ cheating on JS and their divorce?  Will he encourage her to forgive him or will he be upset and tell JS to let him go.

2.  Will JS and SJ finally talk about their marriage and the breakdown between them?

3.  Will SJ finally tell JS how he ended up with Yuri and why he became the VP's lapdog? 

4.  Will SJ tell JS that the funeral he went to was for his father and he broke down because he died without them ever having a relationship?

5.  Will JS empathize with SJ regarding his birth secret or will she be appalled that his mother was also a mistress? 

6.  Will the CEO reveal the fact that the VP had secret share accounts to keep him from ever being the CEO?

 

I am sure many of you also have questions.  With one hour to go, I hope all our questions, are answered and we can leave this drama with a satisfied feeling.

 

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1 hour ago, liltash85 said:

so when things not going as expected, she tried to mend her writing and made PSJ has a dark secret that’s why he can’t leave the VP n YR. and finally make JS wants to divorce him. seriously to me the dark side of PSJ happened so suddenly and did not fit his character all

It is not just JNR's performance but the so-called dark secret is being illegitimate and cleaning up his boss' horny activities. 
There are so many KDs which had the mistress installed as Lady of the mansion and the offspring is the heir. It is just so weak, so lacking in ideas. Now paying off mistresses and being the front for shares bought by his boss is hardly the reason to breakup a loving marriage. A wife who works with him would understand office politics. 
 

I agree that the writer and PD want to give another POV on a mistress. In which case, the actress has to be someone as accomplished as JNR. This actress needs more experience to play a rival against an established actress. This is just too ambitious.

 

It is not the 'secret' that makes me want SJ to be out of JS' life, it is what happens after he is found out. He tells  his BFF how he feels for her in no uncertain terms, his tender moments with YR are shown as real feelings, he does not hide or lie about seeing her. He says to the father legit or no that he wants to be with her. I cannot believe that a man who still loves his wife would rub it in the way SJ has done  from episode 7 onwards. If the writer wishes to give a twist such as making him realise he still loves his wife and wants to return to her in the last episode, he should have been in a typical 'secret' relationship. I would think  he cares for JS not to hurt or humiliate her. Then seeing how he could lose her, the bulb lights up, his heart pounds etc.  But he had burnt his bridges with their relationship. So what is there to go back to? YR is still as clingy and needy as earlier on.

 

 A comedian defines a mistress as someone who is between the master and the matress.  If it is just sex, it would be more plausible that he would want to return home after a short while.

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Not everyone will be Happy on the direction of this episode but I was.

 

It's time for JS to Move on. I was happy when she Told her Ex (yes he's her EX now. Yeehaw) to "End" what they have.

 

I rooted for her to take revenge but then i realized that revenge will make her feel pain all over again. I don't want her to get tormented, wasting her time & energy on a man who doesn't deserve it.

 

I got so mad when I read some comments hoping for the couple to come back together.

Why?

When a man cheats, Society expects that women should just Up and forgive them. Why? Because they are men!

If Reverse was the case, The woman would be sacrificed and her head will be served on a platter.

Why? Because there are some Standards Society requires women to keep. 

 

It annoys me a lot.

 

Yes, We as humans can find ways to forgive each other. Learn from our mistakes and leave the past behind us. Often times, it's hard but we strive to move ahead.

 

It's never gonna be easy getting back together with partners who had affairs but some do & they make it work while others don't.

 

For JS, she Needs to leave him. He treated her like she wasn't worth it. He hid a lot of things from her. She doesn't even know his past. He humiliated her in the eyes of her colleagues (howbeit indirectly), made her the object of pity, allowed her to be a game for the VP to play with just so he could make his "daughter" comfortable.

 

That's not right!

 

She deserves Freedom.

She deserves Peace.

She Deserves Happiness that the world still have to offer.

For the sake of her Physical & Mental Health, She Needs to leave Him be.

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More ranting about Ep. 15...ugh, even writing this feels like a chore...not much different from how I'm feeling about dedicating 15 precious hours on a NOT-SO-DIFFERENT, NOT-SO-FRESH "affair drama"...:sleepy:

 

2 hours ago, liltash85 said:

My view is the writer try to make a different ‘affair drama’ by having the mistress is not the typical outgoing, seducing type like we used to have in mind. So she created a pitiful wet dog goldfish look like kind of mistress and the affair starts because of pity instead of cheat. She thinks viewer can fall for the mistress character just like PSJ. But she miscalculate JNR amazing performance as NJS that this ‘fresh idea’ backfires. 
 

so when things not going as expected, she tried to mend her writing and made PSJ has a dark secret that’s why he can’t leave the VP n YR. and finally make JS wants to divorce him. seriously to me the dark side of PSJ happened so suddenly and did not fit his character all along. Honestly ep 14 and 15 is kinda lacking as it doesn’t solve anything about SJ-JS issue. The problem is still going on back and forth like a pendulum. 
 

i said this before and I said it again, the writer try to give a new idea that not all mistress are bad person (as the mistress is represented by SJ mom n YR). Both are weak and soft characters who needs protection. 

 

(PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not take offense about what I'm going to say in reaction to your post, @liltash85!!!!!!:cry: This is directed toward the VIP screenwriter, not you.)

 

To the screenwriter: Yeah, yeah, yeah...and neither I nor most of the Soompiers/viewers buy this sorry excuse of a "fresh", "different" affair drama. What were you thinking when concocting this dementia-now-dead mother/destitute/secret birth sob-story for YR and the pitiful wedlock birth circumstances for SJ in order to excuse their decisions in carrying on this (emotional, if not physical) affair behind the "wealthy", "strong"- but unmistakably vulnerable and grief-stricken- JS's back while giving YR (and sometimes SJ?) excessive "woe is me" scenes that're doing basically NOTHING to gauge our sympathy towards her? Did you think all this sob-stories would sway us the audience (or JS, for that matter) into condoning their careless actions that are hurting not only JS but also the VIP team at work, now that the VP AND his sister/chairwoman (and Director Bae and maybe even the VP's wife) are using SJ's and YR's affair as some sort of power play to up one another at the company?

 

Speaking of which, I'm side-eyeing the chairwoman based on the (another yet unrevealed!? <_<) scene of the chairwoman's discussion with Director Bae at her office and the finale preview. The chairwoman is no different from her brother/VP in terms of exploiting others' personal pains (JS's grievance over SJ's affair and shady work practices with the VP, HA's and MN's grievance over Director Bae's work sexual harassment and extortion, etc.) to her own advantage at the company and family. Furthermore, there's no way that Director Bae would meet with and allow the chairwoman (or the VP's wife) to obtain, let alone release, photos of SJ's and YR's recent interactions without ensuring that she agree to his demands...which would MOST LIKELY include reinstatement of his job position at Sungwoon Department Store and/or dismissal of his work harassment/extortion cases so that he would not be further blacklisted at other companies for his misconduct. If what I mentioned in the last sentence does happen in the finale, this would be a significantly heinous betrayal to HA, MN, and other victims of Director Bae's unforgivable misconduct that normally results in higher-ranking sexual predators keeping their job without punishment while more-or-less forcing victims out of a job and blacklisting them for being "non-team players" or "whistleblowers defaming the company's reputation". That alone would be another reason for me to "blacklist" the screenwriter for ending that side story with such dire injustice towards past and would-be victims of work harassment, including HA and the pregnant, married MN. :thumbsdown:

 

Going back to the whole SJ/YR sob story over their familial circumstances...isn't the writer doing a huge disservice to SJ, YR, and JS by practically giving them their parents' fates, with SJ and YR being products of adultery or premarital affair, respectively, and JS being a product of a failed marriage/abandonment by her mother committing an affair due to her insecurities over her father's family looking down on her (yes, I rewatched Ep. 6 where JS finally asked her mother at the hospital why she left her and her father :tears:). I, for one, believe that the parents' upbringing, past/current/future misdemeanors or crimes, or other aspects DO NOT- and SHOULD NOT- either define their children's overall character/fate or absolve the children from being responsible for their own actions that happen to be similar to that of their parents. But apparently this writer thinks otherwise...:unamused: 

 

To the screenwriter: Next time you want to create characters whom you want us to sympathize despite making otherwise thoughtless decisions that cause unjustified hurt towards those who trust them and don't deserve such treatment, read (and Google Translate, if you must) the following quote from a now-deceased self-help author Wayne Dyer:

 

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Now we wait for the finale tomorrow...on Christmas Eve, of all days!!! I need a hug right now...

 

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“VIP” Once Again Hits New High Point In Viewership Ratings

“VIP” Once Again Hits New High Point In Viewership Ratings

Dec 24, 2019
by R. Jun

SBS’s “VIP” is continuing to hit new high points in viewership ratings!

According to Nielsen Korea, the December 23 broadcast of the drama recorded averages of 11.9 and 14.9 percent nationwide for its two episodes, peaking at 18.8 percent in its most-watched minute.

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Surely, goodness, the pictures will still be released. There has to be repercussions for what the bad guys have done.  I'm proud JS is letting SJ go - that's the only thing she can do for her peace of mind. Still, I hope the ending isn't white-washed - I still want the bad guys punished. I just don't see any redeeming qualities in Director Bae, the VP & YR. (I think YR has lost her mojo, another way of saying she's lost her confidence, energy, & success. I just didn't want to attribute those three words to YR.)

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I don’t think JS and SJ were ever meant to be the end game. As the CEO said, sometimes love isn’t enough. It wasn’t enough for SJ during their marriage and now it’s not enough for JS. 

 

The ending is bittersweet for me. I’m happy that JS can finally let go of him. Her journey was unbearable and I’m happy that she can start her healing now. For SJ, I think he’ll realise that he had someone who saw something great in him when he couldn’t see it. JS loved him, all of him, but he didn’t think that was enough. He never let her all the way in in order to notice that. I think it’ll break him when he realises what he has lost. 

 

I kept remembering their their walk in the rain after the funeral. She wanted to lead a simple and quiet life with him and he wanted to prove to the world that he was someone. 

 

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1 hour ago, mellinadear said:

Not everyone will be Happy on the direction of this episode but I was.

 

It's time for JS to Move on. I was happy when she Told her Ex (yes he's her EX now. Yeehaw) to "End" what they have.

 

I rooted for her to take revenge but then i realized that revenge will make her feel pain all over again. I don't want her to get tormented, wasting her time & energy on a man who doesn't deserve it.

 

I got so mad when I read some comments hoping for the couple to come back together.

Why?

When a man cheats, Society expects that women should just Up and forgive them. Why? Because they are men!

If Reverse was the case, The woman would be sacrificed and her head will be served on a platter.

Why? Because there are some Standards Society requires women to keep. 

 

It annoys me a lot.

 

Yes, We as humans can find ways to forgive each other. Learn from our mistakes and leave the past behind us. Often times, it's hard but we strive to move ahead.

 

It's never gonna be easy getting back together with partners who had affairs but some do & they make it work while others don't.

 

For JS, she Needs to leave him. He treated her like she wasn't worth it. He hid a lot of things from her. She doesn't even know his past. He humiliated her in the eyes of her colleagues (howbeit indirectly), made her the object of pity, allowed her to be a game for the VP to play with just so he could make his "daughter" comfortable.

 

That's not right!

 

She deserves Freedom.

She deserves Peace.

She Deserves Happiness that the world still have to offer.

For the sake of her Physical & Mental Health, She Needs to leave Him be.

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Extremely ell said! I am baffled by people who want to see her reconciled with a man who made a fool of her, humiliated her and treated their marriage like it was something nasty he accidentally stepped in because of his own inadequacies and self-pity. That would be a horror of an ending:vicx:

 

There is no excuse for how badly Sung Jun has treated Jung Sun in this drama.  How about getting some counselling instead of the pathetic BS excuses he made up for cheating on his wife? I am beyond tired of society giving grown men a pass to treat women badly, then once the idiots come back crying again, the women are all but expected to act like doormats and take them back. 

 

Perhaps in the spirit of forgiveness and moving on, Jung Sun can get her ahjussi psychiatrist friend to recommend a professional for Sung Jun and he might actually start to take responsibility for his own failings instead of blaming his mistakes on others. But that's it!

 

I want an ending where the intelligent, beautiful, confident, accomplished Na Jung Sun moves on from her pathetic ex-husband and leaves him in her past where he belongs.  The greatest romance will be the one where she loves herself and puts herself and her peace of mind first and says good riddance and goodbye to the spineless, adulterous coward who has caused her so much pain. That would be a happy ending.

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8 minutes ago, Takingthehighroad said:

Surely, goodness, the pictures will still be released. There has to be repercussions for what the bad guys have done.  I'm proud JS is letting SJ go - that's the only thing she can do for her peace of mind. Still, I hope the ending isn't white-washed - I still want the bad guys punished. I just don't see any redeeming qualities in Director Bae, the VP & YR. (I think YR has lost her mojo, another way of saying she's lost her confidence, energy, & success. I just didn't want to attribute those three words to YR.)

JS too has 'lost her mojo' ( Spanish?). When YR shamelessly told her to divorce SJ, there was a flashback of a lift scene where YR was so pathetic, JS listlessly said it's none of your business or like so, she was hard as nails earlier.

 

Even if JS does not wish to hold on to SJ anymore, she should not be made out to be defeated. She chose to give up SJ.
 

The preview shows a rather zombie like JS. I hope it was just a wrong angle.

otherwise, the writer gave her a cheating husband, a still born baby, a failed marriage, being humiliated for half of the show, almost sacked ... cruel.

 

They must get her out of that company. 

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13 minutes ago, maribella said:

Even if JS does not wish to hold on to SJ anymore, she should not be made out to be defeated. She chose to give up SJ.
 

The preview shows a rather zombie like JS. I hope it was just a wrong angle.

otherwise, the writer gave her a cheating husband, a still born baby, a failed marriage, being humiliated for half of the show, almost sacked ... cruel.

 

They must get her out of that company. 

Exactly,  Divorcing SJ isn't defeat. That guy is no prize!

 

I agree.  This drama has been too cruel to a good woman like Jung Sun. So disappointing and frustrating:tears:

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The best ending for me is the revelation that YR is not the VP daughter. Her mother lied to her to ensure her to have a better father when she is gone. Then she will be sacked from the company and from Ha family and go back to her pit. But this time no SJ as this man realized his mistake and choose to go abroad. 
 

as for our NJS she will keep soaring in the sky of Sung Un Dept Store with CEO back up. Ggeut 

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Unlike most here. I like the way this drama is ending.

 

I think JS summed it best. Despite the cheating, she thought he's at least a good person. Realizing he's not who she thinks he is, she posed the question: Did they really know each other at all during their marriage? I think the short answer is no. He never was honest with her, not about his family, his roots, not about his ambition to climb up the corporate ladder. She wasn't even given a chance to get to know him. The real him. Which is why when the couple faced the miscarriage, she didn't feel like she could rely on him. She didn't think he'd understand her because he never opened up to her at all.

 

Now that she's realized all of this, she can finally let him go. It looks like SJ's realized too late who he truly loves and it's not Yuri. And the keywords here are once again: too friggin' late. I don't think JS would ever be out for petty revenge. Out of all the characters in this drama, her heart is the purest. Even when she realized Yuri's the mistress, she was still looking out for her, telling her to come out under the rain. When she hears the truth from SJ's mother, she realized that he's just a pitiful man. We can see her changing her mind about the revenge, that she no longer wants anything to do with him.

 

JS was never about blind vengeance. Her story, unlike Minah and Hyunah isn't a love story or redemption. It's about her journey to self-discovery and self-reflection. She's come to terms as a woman, an ex-wife, an ex-daughter-in-law, and an ex-mother. She's accepting everything she have and then lost. The real triumph is that she didn't let anything of those change the core of who she is, which is a smart, kind, righteous, loving friend, daughter, and business woman.

 

Leave the revenge to the VP's wife and sister.

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I just read some comments about the screen writer attempting to create a sympathetic home wrecker and failed because of Jang Nara's great acting and changed the plot reacting to viewers' responses. Most of the script and filming were completed before viewers began to react, I think.  I don't think the screen writer failed; I think we were supposed to sympathize with Jang Nara and hate Yuri and Sang Joon.  Since we don't yet know the finale, I am not sure about the final take aways, but here are some guesses:

MiNa says early on that you never really know for sure what is going on with other people, they only show you one side, or what they want you to see.

Since we start out thinking JS and SJ have a perfect marriage and everyone around them thinks so too, it is shocking to see that what it looks like is not reality.  What is so sad is that JS thinks it is perfect, too, in the beginning.

This is true for each character.  HA appears elegant and sophisticated, but is broke.  Mina looks like a coping working Mom, but she is falling apart.  SW , who appears young and green, turns out to be a rich chaebol who apparently wants to prove something to himself.  Everybody else, if character is shown at all, is multifaceted in personality.  Even PR director, who wants to appear to be a playboy when we first meet him, later appears to be falling hard for HA and would probably make a truly devoted husband. Same with Mina's husband, appears to be immature and selfish when we first meet him, but shows a much more mature side when he is put to the test.

OR we are all in the process of growing and learning and need to extend the benefit of the doubt to people because we never fully know their back story or what they are dealing with.  While I believe this is true, I also believe we are each responsible for our choices and the consequences of them.

Until we see what the writer does with SJ in the end, I can't be sure.  Definitely, one will be,  you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone.  

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If the CEO plan to put Director Bae to replace SJ, then she is really dirty as well. All the VIPs are disgusting and dirty that is. Perhaps this is the whole point about this drama lol. 

 

I clapped when JS told SJ to end it here. The look on SJ's face like he couldn't believe what he heard.  If you really love your wife, you should have at least show some effort to win her back after your "mistake". But no, you keep hurting her.

 

JS now has the final say on what she want to do with SJ and I love love the writer made it this way.

 

Whatever the final episode come out like tonight, I will imagine my own version of ending, might include some company takeover plot, Yuri being fake daughter and really really suffer. Also SJ to do A LOT LOT more to win JS back and I'm satisfied :lol:.

 

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