enigmatic_zephy Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 7 hours ago, SaltyLemonaid said: Yeah, it was mentioned in the book. Reveal hidden contents Lan Zhan got drunk and bothered Xichen to find him a flute. When Xichen gave Lan Zhan a flute, Lan Zhan said it wasn't the one he wanted. He later broke into Cloud Recesses treasure/storage room and found the Wen sect branding irons and marked himself with it. I believe Lan Zhan doesn't remember what he did. All he remembers is waking up with the scar on his chest. Personally, I didn't think it was that gay of a reason, but I guess the producers didn't want to push it there. ------ I think that spoiler is a bit embellished. I think it's more accurate to say Hide contents Lan Zhan and Wei Ying became "cultivation partners," which can be considered the same as husband/wife... Maybe it's just semantics. When you say "legit wife", I can't help but think a full blown wedding with red clothes, a sedan escort and family members witnessing, which did not happen in the novel. Spoiler Uhmm.. no.. author confirmed they got married.. married as husband and hsband.. given their ritual of bows.. and they live together.. and LZ had a proper conversation with LQR on their status.. and btw, LZ got married before they made out for the second time.. because in 1st time.. WX teased him about doing things without marriage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyLemonaid Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 46 minutes ago, enigmatic_zephy said: Hide contents Uhmm.. no.. author confirmed they got married.. married as husband and hsband.. given their ritual of bows.. and they live together.. and LZ had a proper conversation with LQR on their status.. and btw, LZ got married before they made out for the second time.. because in 1st time.. WX teased him about doing things without marriage Was that mentioned in the novel though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisca_TVXQ Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 @SaltyLemonaid It was mentioned in the novel's extra story THIS should be the real ending Spoiler 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulaL Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 11 hours ago, enigmatic_zephy said: very different from novel.. do you think LZ will leave WY after all this.. Reveal hidden contents anyway in novel, LZ married him and took him back to gusu as his legit wife you're right. they went through too much for just leaving each other. I was particularly moved by episode 46, with all those revelations Wen Ning said to Jiang Cheng. he deserved to ear all that as he was so unfair towards WX and I loved how LZ held him and cried for him earring everything himself too. I'm eager to watch that with full subs. But as the producers ended it, we can perfectly fit in the original ending in our imagination, don't you think? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nat_93 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Sisca_TVXQ said: @SaltyLemonaid It was mentioned in the novel's extra story THIS should be the real ending Hide contents Spoiler Yes, I just considered this part the ending and ignored the rest, whitch I think is the end for chinese censors. Lan Zhan would never left WWX wandering alone for some cultivation leader spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wuxiafangirl Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Spoiler I thought in the drama , after they parted , time passed as wwx wore different clothes and while playing his flute, LZ called his name. That to me says they ended up together . Can those who watched the ending check my spoiler and advised whether it’s a correct interpretation? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lululililululu Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, Wuxiafangirl said: Reveal hidden contents I thought in the drama , after they parted , time passed as wwx wore different clothes and while playing his flute, LZ called his name. That to me says they ended up together . Can those who watched the ending check my spoiler and advised whether it’s a correct interpretation? thanks Spoiler IMO you are absolutely correct. I think they tried for an "open ending" due to censors, but I think we can safely assume that LZ decided to follow WY and they're together at the end. Right before WY played flute at the end, LZ said that he has made a decision...or something like that. So I think they want censors to think LZ stayed behind...like you said a bit of time passed, so I assume LZ needs to take care of his clan business first to pass on the leadership role....then drama showed us that last clip of LZ calling for WY. Smart move...cuz you can also argue that the "WY" at the end is his imagination but we all know that it's not and that they end up to be cultivation partners for life 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic_zephy Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Wuxiafangirl said: Hide contents I thought in the drama , after they parted , time passed as wwx wore different clothes and while playing his flute, LZ called his name. That to me says they ended up together . Can those who watched the ending check my spoiler and advised whether it’s a correct interpretation? thanks Spoiler Ya.. time passed.. and now they travel together.. basically whatever are back being friends and in touch.. people have wrapped up things at their end (e.g. LZ with gusu stuff...i guess) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic_zephy Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Lululililululu said: Hide contents IMO you are absolutely correct. I think they tried for an "open ending" due to censors, but I think we can safely assume that LZ decided to follow WY and they're together at the end. Right before WY played flute at the end, LZ said that he has made a decision...or something like that. So I think they want censors to think LZ stayed behind...like you said a bit of time passed, so I assume LZ needs to take care of his clan business first to pass on the leadership role....then drama showed us that last clip of LZ calling for WY. Smart move...cuz you can also argue that the "WY" at the end is his imagination but we all know that it's not and that they end up to be cultivation partners for life Spoiler LZ didn't say he made a decision.. he said he has thought of the name of the song a very long time ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaia2 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) Spoiler Yup I saw the ending as they parted (with WWX saying "till we meet again in the future" as he waved goodbye) Time passed and WWX (clothes not the same) was back at mountain playing his flute and so was LZ who then called his name "Wei Ying" WWX turns around ( you can see the hope in his face as he turns) and as he sees the person who called him (obviously it is really LZ) WWX's face lights up and he gives that same sweet happy smile that he always gives LZ. Implication they meet and are together again. A subtle and lovely endi ❤️ My interpretation of ending above Edited August 10, 2019 by gaia2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsanity Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I actually really, really like the ending. Spoiler It's extremely poetic that they, each in their own way (WY with once becoming the Lead "Demonic" Cultivator and LZ with becoming the Lead "Good" Cultivator) uphold that promise they once made. Though it's different from the book, in the drama-verse: Once given the responsibility, I don't think LZ would simply run away with WY and I don't think WY is the type who'd like rigid hierarchies that LZ is familiar with. IMO, the most important thing isn't "ending up together forever" but, rather, the unforgettable times they spent in each other's company and what they learn from each other. This is the most satisfying drama I watched since Nirvana in Fire in 2015. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaia2 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 It’s good that the show has enough complexities and subtleties that we can find and enjoy different perspectives. I like that WY and LZ could find their way to be together again time and again. There is a Chinese saying:- “There is an invisible string that connects those that are destined to meet, it may tangle and stretch, but it will never break...” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostflower14 Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Just finished this drama and rewatching my fav scenes Spoiler Loved ep 36 where LZ was drunk and tried to give WWX someone’s chickens (asking him if they are fat or not) and admitting that he liked rabbits and has broken some rules Ep 7(I think) where WWX forced LZ to drink some wine,which made him drunk. LZ is so cute when he gets drunk. WY tells him his headband is crooked and he tries to fix it. WY tells LZ to call him Wei Ge Ge and he actually does as he’s told Ep 38 (I think) where WWX is babysitting a bunch of young disciples and they encounter the scary blind girl. WY asks them to describe what they see and only one of them described her as a pretty girl I also found the official MV of Jiang Chen’s theme 恨别 (Goodbye filled with hatred) Wen Ning’s theme 赤子 (Newborn) Lan Xi Chen’s theme 不由 (Involuntary) The Nie Family of Qing He theme 清河诀 (Separation at Qing He) Yi City’s theme/ 孤城 Xue Yang’s theme 荒城渡 (Passing by a deserted city) Jiang Jianli and Jin ZiXuan theme 永隔 (Eternal Separation/Forever Parted) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostflower14 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Since there’s no English translation of this song yet, here’s my attempt at translating the lyrics. I didn’t quite understand some of the phrases, so please correct me if I’m wrong 恨别 Goodbye filled with hatred/ or regret 秋雨打灯 莲花落满坞中 Autumn rain extinguishes a lantern, falling down on Lian Hua Wu (Lotus Pier,the name of Jiang Cheng’s home) 少年心 隔水仍发好梦 Separated by water, the youths heart still yearns for a pleasant dream 一朝火海惊动 血漫舟中莲蓬 One morning disturbed by a sea of flames, blood soaked the lotus pods 烈火无事却向西风 Blazing flames coming with the west wind 扬涛雷弄 三毒挥紫电纵 Amidst rising waves and thunder claps, brandishing San Du (name of Jiang Cheng’s sword) and releasing Zi Dian (Purple Lightning , name of his ring) 高台上 看世事更错综 On a high tower, watching worldly affairs become more entangled 任由他凡尘千众也难以 抵我重 Allowing him free rein, thousands of mortal world’s cannot withstand my sense of heaviness 欲经此 身后尸骨再远送 Wishing to move on,the bones behind escorted far away 难将前尘都随风 It is hard to let past events go with the wind 天光一醉万里红 A drunken dawn, the sky is streaked with red for ten thousand miles 山遥水远坞中可有人在等 Mountains and rivers far away in the Pier,there is someone waiting 几回庭前儿时梦 Many times standing before the courtyard,like in childhood dreams 寒剑锋冷谁独拥 A cold sword and a chilling blade,who wants to embrace them alone 只余血海孤灯 Only leaving behind a sea of blood (deep hatred)and a lonely lantern 血溅门灯 杯中淡茶早冷 Blood splashes the lantern at the door,tea in the cup grows cold 他年人一觉惊万里梦 In the past he has awakened from ten thousand miles of dreams 剑指昔年旧友方知寻道不同 Long ago,pointing a sword at an old friend only to realise we walk different paths (have different beliefs) 昨日情分不似众朋 Those feelings of yesterday were not only of friendship 骤雨送声 惊惧剖丹相赠 Heavy rain carrys sound, alarmed he gifted his internal core 当年人 教我如何能憎? In the past, he has taught me how to hate 江湖别后谁似青山飘蓬 不留踪 The martial arts world since we parted, who like the green mountains wandering,leaving behind no trace. (Since we parted, you were like the green mountains wandering, leaving no trace in the martial arts world) 再相见 依稀是旧友新容 When we met again, a new appearance vaguely resembles an old friend 应恨前尘万事空 The hatred of the past has become hollow 血将天地一抹红 Blood caused heaven and earth to by dyed with red 故人作别口中有辞言不能 Words of parting to an old friend still on his lips,unable to speak 作茧之人缚千层 It is he who is tied up with a thousand layers 无一可辩恨早终 Enable to explain that his hatred no longer exists 只任 寒灰 扬穷 Allowing cold ashes to fly away till the end 如朝露来去匆匆 Like morning dew coming and going quickly 如那长天万里风 Like the wind in the skies traveling over ten thousand miles 何因此生聚散不过一场梦 Why is it a lifetime of meeting and partings only like a dream 紫电无情可感痛? Zi Dian ( his ring) is unfeeling,can it feel pain? 三毒锋冷难再送 San Du (Three poisons/evil, his sword) blade is cold,unable to bid farewell again 本是 秋意 正浓 This is the right time in autumn. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outsanity Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Translating from Chinese to English is infinitely difficult.... The language relies heavily on metaphors, imagery and layered meanings. Even professional translations risk being either superficial or too literal. xD Kudos to the lyric translations! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostflower14 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Towards the end, it was kind of sad Jiang Chen was unable to say thank you, I’m sorry or even farewell to Wei WuXian even though he probably really wanted to. I guess Wei WuXian realised they were never going to be on speaking terms with each other again, so he left without saying goodbye to either Jiang Chen or Jin Ling. That annoying brat, Jin Ling didn’t even say sorry over that stabbing incident. He did put his dog on a leash at least, out of respect for Wei Wuxian so I guess he gets a point for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tothestars Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Just finished the raw eps, have to rewatch the engsub ones. I think i missed so many things, but i just cant help to ask these, who is the guy who pay gold to the story teller to tell about Yiling Patriach? he is also the one who sneaked in ep 2 when WWX playing flute and came Wen Ning. My guess is Nie HuaiSang, but dont know what the purpose? CMIIW, thank u! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreezeC Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 My personal thoughts and review of the ending: (Spoiler ahead) I know there were mix feelings and perspective regarding the ending for viewers...but I honestly can say that I like this ending and it is the best way to be implicit of the relationship between WWX and LWJ. LWJ know of his feeling for WWX very early on and it is clear from his actions which imply to us, the viewer, how he feels toward WWX but WWX doesn't know this. All of LWJ's emotion, action, and his life center around WWX but WWX has a very complex life that is full with other peoples and circumstances. Although it is very obvious that he treated LWJ differently, he is conflicted about his true feeling for LWJ. After everything that happened, he is glad and thankful that LWJ stand by his side but he doesn't realize his feeling for LWJ is much more than being soulmate... He automatically assume they will always be together as friends and travel the world together since they share the same goal and path... but when LWJ didn't answer him and simply stand there, at first there was the confusion (Why is he not coming?) then shock and disappointment (understanding that he is not leaving with him) and finally the quiet acceptance of LWJ's decision. However, when he asked whether LWJ is coming with him, I felt that WWX was scared for a minute there... Why is he scared? Why does he automatically assume LWJ will stay by his side? Why would he feel sad? After everything is resolved, everyone have their path to follow. Wen Ning, his follower and friend, left him and he was happy for him. Lan Xichen, the kid he had such a strong bond with, also continue on his own path...He didn't get to say goodbye to JC and JL but he knows they are well and have their own life but why do he expect LWJ to stay by his side? LWJ will still be in Cloud Recesses, they are still friends and he can always go visit him...so why WWX reaction this way? We, as audience, knows the answer but WWX doesn't because he still haven't figure out his feelings yet. I see many people argue LWJ is out of character to leave WWX alone but I agree with LWJ's action because LWJ always live under his brother protection, his brother helped him take care of all the things that LWJ won't want and have to do, giving him the freedom he needed throughout his life, but his brother right now is confused and under shock from the whole JGY's incident. No one is suitable for the leader position and LWJ is only taking it on temporarily until his brother recover. I can't see LWJ leaving the things they are and leaving with WWX to wander the world. Now why can't LWJ ask WWX to stay or express his feeling? Because LWJ will never do that. First of all, he is not 100% sure WWX return his feeling or are just grateful to him as a friend, second, he can't lock WWX up in Cloud Recesses like a prison, knowing WWX is never that fond of Cloud Recesses and prefer freedom. Therefore, it make sense to me to have their separation, for WWX to figure out his feeling and LWJ to take care of all his unfinished business. The fact is even if they are separated at this point, it would not last long because either one day WWX will figure out his feelings and went back to LWJ or LWJ will finish up his businesses and look for WWX even if he have to settle for staying with him as a friend if WWX didn't return his feeling. The way I see it from WWX's shock... then unbelievable but hopeful expression from hearing LWJ's voice and then he turned around and finally that smile, it confirm to me that WWX finally understand his feeling and is happy to see LWJ and his acceptance to his relationship with LWJ. This drama more than exceeded my expectation and it is a very great adaptation to the novel. Under so many restrictions, they manage to make this a true adaptation and stay as close to the novel as possible and keeping the spirit and essence of the characters. All the actors/actresses did a fantastic job, even if some of them are very new and raw, I appreciate their dedication to their characters and trying their best to understand and portray their characters. Great team, great production, and as a result a great drama!!! 9 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostflower14 Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 I loved the bit where Lan Sizhui told Wen Ning that Lan Zhan raised him along side his rabbits.The rabbits were left to Lan Zhan by Wei Wuxian and Lan Sizhui (previously Wen Yuan) was sort of his adopted son. It makes sense that Lan Zhan would want to keep the rabbits given to him by Wei Wuxian and his adopted son together in the same place. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuwei Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I cried a lot for the jindan reveal scene...everyone did so good in that scene, especially LWJ...I thought it was just gonna be a single tear scene but he cried so much and looked so beautiful doing it too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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