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1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

@imgreatgal @incoty @Ameera Ali @40somethingahjumma After watching the last two episodes, I came to the conclusion that the conspiracy is much more complex than it looks like. First of all, we have to question who murdered Michael. On the surface, it seems that Jessica was behind his death. But if we look at the episode 1 again, we see that Michael had been followed by two different kind of people. First, he could escape from three hired killers:  I believe, they were the one hired by Jessica.  

 J&M is partially to blame for the plane crash. There was someone else who wanted the plane crash to happen. I am starting to suspect Edward Park and the existence of another mole at the NSI working for him as well. Mark the words said by Edward Park:

"Lobbying is not about weapon, it is about people".

 

We know that Edward Park was Jessica's mentor and the assassin Lilly described Edward Park as a real jerk and villain that's why she refused to work for him. All these clues seem to reinforce this idea that Edward Park is the real big villain. 

 

Notice that Jessica's new assistant lied to her.  First she had no idea about the involvement of the journalist and secondly, he reports to her that he got rid of him, while we know now that the man is alive. JBY was used in order to give the info about the co-pilot to CDG and GHR. In my opinion, Jessica is not aware that her assistant is a mole in reality. I would even suspect that Edward Park made sure that Jessica would order Michael's murder in order to replace Michael with his mole, her new confident and assistant.

 

However, there is another man working for Edward Park and he is at the Blue House. From my point of view, the Prime Minister is the other mole of Edward Park. Now, the government will sign with Dynamic and Edward Park has achieved his goal. His company won't even need to pay compensation for the bereaved families. Edward Park is using GHR at the NSI so that he doesn't need to use his mole at the NSI. He can remain in the dark. Park gave the info gathered by the mole from the NSI through different people, never directly because if so, then people would have suspected him. 

 

But Edward Park made a huge mistake... he chose DGC who is stubborn and very resourceful.  Seeing JBY alive will make him realize that the conspiracy is not over. That's why we can still suspect GTU's colleague or GHR's friend or director Kang for being a mole.

 

Let me know what you think...

 

Dear Bebebisous33, I was lurking & enjoying all the discussions here.  But I must come out to applaud your assessment. Brilliant. Love it

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3 minutes ago, hush puppy said:

Dear Bebebisous33, I was lurking & enjoying all the discussions here.  But I must come out to applaud your assessment. Brilliant. Love it

Thanks a lot for the compliment!:)

 

By the way, I have been thinking that Edward Park might decide to manipulate him, like f. ex. turn GHR into a suspicious person so that CDG stops confiding to her. Maybe the shooting in the beginning of the episode 1 has been organized by him but our hero is not aware of it, he was only told that the mole at the NSI would appear there. But due to the kiss, CDG won't pull the trigger. 

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Who else is having second lead syndrome here? :lol:

 

I want Go Hae Ri to end up with Ki Tae Woong. I think Ki Tae Woong eventually turning soft towards Go Hae Ri is a better narrative than Go Hae Ri with the impulsive, passionate Dal Geon. So I'm really hoping Ki Tae Woong isn't a double agent, secret spy working for the enemy. I want him to be among the good guys, please drama gods. 

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47 minutes ago, lollyminx said:

Who else is having second lead syndrome here? :lol:

 

I want Go Hae Ri to end up with Ki Tae Woong. I think Ki Tae Woong eventually turning soft towards Go Hae Ri is a better narrative than Go Hae Ri with the impulsive, passionate Dal Geon. So I'm really hoping Ki Tae Woong isn't a double agent, secret spy working for the enemy. I want him to be among the good guys, please drama gods. 

 

I think they look good together. I didn't expect them to look compatible. I went in fully knowing that this is a LSGxSuzy drama, so I never expected that Ki Tae Woong will be a contender for Haeri's affection. In fact she is the one crushing on him makes it better. Lol!

 

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, katakwasabi said:

I think they look good together. I didn't expect them to look compatible.

Riiiiight? In the hospital scene I was like, "LEAVE, CHA DAL GEON! Leave the two lovebirds alone!" :lol: I'd really be sad if they don't end up together. I'd rather have Go Hae Ri and Ki Tae Woong have a secret office romance lol than the obvious main lead relationship. 

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3 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

@imgreatgal @incoty @Ameera Ali @40somethingahjumma After watching the last two episodes, I came to the conclusion that the conspiracy is much more complex than it looks like. First of all, we have to question who murdered Michael. On the surface, it seems that Jessica was behind his death. But if we look at the episode 1 again, we see that Michael had been followed by two different kind of people. First, he could escape from three hired killers:  I believe, they were the one hired by Jessica. But remember that he used his cellphone in order to warn for the terror attack but his cellphone was hacked. So from my point of view, Michael is now targeted by someone else. This person is working in the NSI based on the hacking and how Michael was tracked down and assaulted. When he called from the booth, the killer was alone. So the murderer was acting on someone else's order.  

 In my opinion, Michael discovered Jessica's plan and disagreed with her hence she tried to get rid of him. He could have called Edward Park for instance. Since Michael had died, Jessica thought that the hired killers had succeeded. Notice that when Michael tried to call the airport from his cellphone, his cellphone got hacked hence he got aware that there was a mole in the NSI. Only people from the Secret service could use such a virus. That's why he threw it away.  

As conclusion, J&M is partially to blame for the plane crash. There was someone else who wanted the plane crash to happen. I am starting to suspect Edward Park and the existence of another mole at the NSI working for him as well. Mark the words said by Edward Park:

"Lobbying is not about weapon, it is about people".

 

We know that Edward Park was Jessica's mentor and the assassin Lilly described Edward Park as a real jerk and villain that's why she refused to work for him. All these clues seem to reinforce this idea that Edward Park is the real big villain. 

 

In addition, notice how Jessica's plan has been unveiled so quickly... In the next episode, Jessica is already arrested. This explains why Edward Park supported CDG very quickly. He thought that he was the perfect "person" in order to get rid of Jessica. From my point of view, Edward Park had another plan how to get rid of her but since CDG revealed very early that the plan crash was a terror attack and even survived, he thought, he could use him in the end and changed his plan. 

 

Aside from that point why would the company Dynamic hire a pilot who used to work for the competitor and was seen with the CEO Jessica? In my opinion, Edward Park knew from the beginning what Jessica had been planning and observed her every move. And he used the mole from the NSI for that. 

Notice that Jessica's new assistant lied to her.  First she had no idea about the involvement of the journalist and secondly, he reports to her that he got rid of him, while we know now that the man is alive. JBY was used in order to give the info about the co-pilot to CDG and GHR. In my opinion, Jessica is not aware that her assistant is a mole in reality. I would even suspect that Edward Park made sure that Jessica would order Michael's murder in order to replace Michael with his mole, her new confident and assistant.

 

However, there is another man working for Edward Park and he is at the Blue House. From my point of view, the Prime Minister is the other mole of Edward Park. On the surface, Hong looked like he was supporting J&M but in fact, it was the opposite. How come that the Prime Minister let DGC appeared in front of the president? This is no coincidence. He knew what the stuntman wanted and represented. Furthermore, I suspect that Hong is a double agent. On the surface, he is acting as if he was the president's best advisor but in reality, it could be the opposite. Now, the government will sign with Dynamic and Edward Park has achieved his goal. His company won't even need to pay compensation for the bereaved families. Edward Park is using GHR at the NSI so that he doesn't need to use his mole at the NSI. He can remain in the dark. Park gave the info gathered by the mole from the NSI through different people, never directly because if so, then people would have suspected him. 

 

But Edward Park made a huge mistake... he chose DGC who is stubborn and very resourceful.  Seeing JBY alive will make him realize that the conspiracy is not over. That's why we can still suspect GTU's colleague or GHR's friend or director Kang for being a mole.

 

Let me know what you think...

 

Wow... what a detailed observation and explanation. I really applaud how detailed you observed this drama and come out with these theories.  Edwark Park is always fishy... I have a feeling the reporter is a bait from Edward Park to get CDG and deliver the 'theory' to him. Hence his secretary said 'Now I know why you choose CDG.' 

 

I also have suspects about these 3 as the mole. 

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36 minutes ago, lollyminx said:

Riiiiight? In the hospital scene I was like, "LEAVE, CHA DAL GEON! Leave the two lovebirds alone!" :lol: I'd really be sad if they don't end up together. I'd rather have Go Hae Ri and Ki Tae Woong have a secret office romance lol than the obvious main lead relationship. 

Honestly, I have never been a shipper but here I have to say that I would like GHR to end up with KTW. CDG has just lost a family member and as such, his mind is more preoccupied to find justice for his nephew's death than finding a girlfriend. 

 

I would like to add another observation. Yoon Han Ki gave CDG some bubble gum in the car and it really looked suspicious. In my opinion, the gum was drugged so that CDG fell asleep later. That way, he wouldn't eat the drugged food. Therefore I suspect that Yoon knew about the plan of the assassination but wanted this mission to fail. So far, they knew that CDG had been able to survive many murder attempts. From my point of view, Yoon is working for Edward Park. The Prime Minister Hong is a double agent, just like the new assistant of Jessica, Mr. Hong, is a mole. He knew that Jessica had contacted Shadow. The way I see it, director Kang could be working for Edward Park, unaware that he has been helping the wrong guy in the end. (see my theory mentioned above)

 

Notice that the doctor K was recommended by director Kang, yet the doctor K knows Min as well. We have the same situation with GHR. She feels close to Kang, yet she works under Min. Notice that Kang was the one who asked her to go to Portugal and he knew Michael. The fact that both Min and Kang have similar connections makes me think that Edward Park might have been in contact with Kang for quite some time. But strangely, I feel that Kang is not a traitor, someone who would have no conscience. I have the feeling that he could have been manipulated by Edward Park and the real mole at the NSI working for the weapon lobbyist head is someone else. The spy had to observe every move of Jessica.

 

By the way, GHR's colleague is someone who works a lot with computer and programs. Maybe she could have been the one who put the virus in the USB stick. Don#t forget that Michael's phone was hacked as well... She is definitely suspicious, moreover she received the video first.

 

From my point of view, Edward Park's goal could have been to get revenge on Jessica for her betrayal and to make sure that the people working for her at the NSI get busted. Shadow's identity has been revealed now.    

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Thanks @bebebisous33 i must admit i'm awed by your detail observation of the events in episode 1 plus several other details that we may have overlooked. Reading your analysis made me look a the bigger picture when the mass is focusing on Jessica as the villain.

 

Someone here mentioned that the plane crash took place in 2012 so the events so far has been a flash back and the scene in the desert is the present day?

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26 minutes ago, lollyminx said:

Riiiiight? In the hospital scene I was like, "LEAVE, CHA DAL GEON! Leave the two lovebirds alone!" :lol: I'd really be sad if they don't end up together. I'd rather have Go Hae Ri and Ki Tae Woong have a secret office romance lol than the obvious main lead relationship. 

 

Hahaha. I like them...I watched spoilers and the hospital scene was awesome. Haha!

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But after watching ep 6, I question either I'm willing to ship KTW with Hae Ri anymore. Hae Ri lacks sense and I'm not talking about when she's drunk. She lacks sense when she's sober. Her confrontation with her boss at the salon room was evidence. 

 

Why would she do this? My goodness..use your NIS training and corner him. This scene was a total facepalm moment. She didn't even have a strategy. She jumped in, whipped out her gun and talked and talked and talked some more. Got distracted and her boss ran away. *huge sigh*

 

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16 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

I have to say that I would like GHR to end up with KTW

Same, not only because Hae Ri and Tae Woong look better together, but also because I want them to avoid the main lead romance stereotype. 

 

Also, I agree with your observations, which is why I'm hoping Ki Tae Woong won't end up as a double agent, or a double, double agent, because there's a lot more that we haven't seen in this series. Although there are some things I don't enjoy in this series, one ting I appreciate is that there are different types of villains here, which is realistic. The prime minister wants a clean name so he cleans up his mess, then there are those who are near the prime minister but may have other agenda. You have different NIS double agents too and then there's John & Mark CEO woman who only wants money, and then Jessica who's an egotistic assassin, the North Korean Unkillable, etc. The pilot and his wife who are in debt. I want to see how all of them are connected and how they figure into the plane crash and the shady deals. These parts are worth watching. I'll just skip the cringey parts lol and cross my fingers that Ki Tae Woong isn't a bad guy. 

 

One more thing, I love the actress playing Hae Ri's NIS bestfriend. Haha she was so adorable in What's Wrong with Secretary Kim and in this series too. 

 

6 minutes ago, katakwasabi said:

This scene was a total facepalm moment. She didn't even have a strategy. She jumped in, whipped out her gun and talked and talked and talked some more.

Haha yes. This was one of the cringey scenes I was talking about. I was like, "Soooooo they're really sending Go Hae Ri ALONE to arrest a HIGH VALUE TARGET? And then Go Hae Ri rushes in and takes out her gun when he was not being a threat? No calling and waiting for backup before the arrest?" 

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Just now, lollyminx said:

Same, not only because Hae Ri and Tae Woong look better together, but also because I want them to avoid the main lead romance stereotype. 

 

Also, I agree with your observations, which is why I'm hoping Ki Tae Woong won't end up as a double agent, or a double, double agent, because there's a lot more that we haven't seen in this series. Although there are some things I don't enjoy in this series, one ting I appreciate is that there are different types of villains here, which is realistic. The prime minister wants a clean name so he cleans up his mess, then there are those who are near the prime minister but may have other agenda. You have different NIS double agents too and then there's John & Mark CEO woman who only wants money, and then Jessica who's an egotistic assassin, the North Korean Unkillable, etc. The pilot and his wife who are in debt. I want to see how all of them are connected and how they figure into the plane crash and the shady deals. These parts are worth watching. I'll just skip the cringey parts lol and cross my fingers that Ki Tae Woong isn't a bad guy. 

 

One more thing, I love the actress playing Hae Ri's NIS bestfriend. Haha she was so adorable in What's Wrong with Secretary Kim and in this series too. 

 

 

Ki Tae Woong is a good guy. He might be a double agent but ultimately he's a good guy and not the villain. Why? Because SSR said he's not the villain. Hahaha!

 

Yes to breaking stereotypes! 2nd leads deserve happiness too. But as of ep 6, it looks to me that KTW is used to make the Haeri and Dalgun be together. I mean...Dalgun never interacted with KTW, but suddenly he says KTW looks like a weasel with a temper. He doesn't even know him....... 

 

P/s: you're the one without taste Dalgun. KTW is a catch.

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1 minute ago, katakwasabi said:

Because SSR said he's not the villain. Hahaha!

Hahahaha he really did? :lol: That's a relief then. :w00t: I'm rooting for him to do the right thing. :glasses:

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26 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

I would like to add another observation. Yoon Han Ki gave CDG some bubble gum in the car and it really looked suspicious. In my opinion, the gum was drugged so that CDG fell asleep later. That way, he wouldn't eat the drugged food. Therefore I suspect that Yoon knew about the plan of the assassination but wanted this mission to fail.

oh so that was it, i was puzzled at why CDG didn't eat the drugged food. I can't believe that GHR was so laxed, i mean if she is an NIS agent she should at least be more cautious even if there were in the safe house and knowing that there is a mole in the NIS. Somehow her actions has me confused beginning with Michael's suicide and in one scene at the embassy in Morocco where she retrieved a recording from a hidden camera. She use her code name Elsa lol  

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31 minutes ago, lollyminx said:

Hahahaha he really did? :lol: That's a relief then. :w00t: I'm rooting for him to do the right thing. :glasses:

 

Yep. He said it in post Perfume interview~

 

Snippet (google translate)

He said, “My character in 'Vaga Bond' is a cool and calm friend. As a NIS, he is in a position to obey the country. I am a just person. ”

 

Interview link: https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/382/0000751491

 

So....I choose to believe his words that he's not the villain. Based on his projects selection, I do think he is not the villain in this. Haha

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4 hours ago, idless said:

 

Haeri think Tae Woong hates her, as he rejected her call (actually he was tracking the co-pilot's wife). She did asked what can she do to make Tae Woong not dislike her in her drunken stupor at Dalgun's house. At this point, Daegun was someone she could trust (they practically gone through life and death together) and she had just shot/killed a person for the first time, AND finding out her boss is the John & Mark mole AND her crush is lying injured in hospital, she's visibly shaken and needed someone to calm her nerves with (alcohol). 


Tae Woong will be in Morocco, as seen in next week preview. It's been a few months since the accident (in end of epi 6), you can see that the victim family protested that the government is showing no progress in the investigations, and the defense ministry is colluding with John & Mark (means the President did throw the defense ministry under the bus as advised by the Prime Minister). 

 

Despite being NIS agent for 6 years, Haeri have received all the adequate training and she's really good with her gun, as demonstrate in episode 1. However, she lacks the real-life experience as in she never shot/killed a person. It makes a lot of difference shooting a target vs a human being. Her boss relegated her to intelligence work only (else than being a traitor, he never attempted to place real harm on Haeri even when he had the chance to do so on several occasions. Maybe he cared about HIS staffs eg his advice to Haeri to be just mediocre, apologizing to her for being harsh with his words, or he is just chauvinistic thinking Haeri is useless and good for making coffee and reports). I believe as the drama progress, Haeri will improve on her physical skills as she encounter more danger thrown at her/Dalgun. So far, her intelligence is what helped her and Dalgun get out of sticky situation a few times. 

 

Finally, someone understands Go Hae Ri's character!!! Thanks for this! :) People criticize this character too much without understanding her or without knowing much about her... I also think that she will become stronger, tougher and more skilled later...

And we will know more about her in the 2nd part of the drama, I mean the director said that the 2nd part of the drama will be about Suzy(GHR)'s story and I look forward to seeing her story. We can be surprised?!!

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Fyi...the ending of ep 6 is not a few months after the accident. But only 49 days after the accident. 

 

I wonder how Taewoong can be healthy enough for field work after his huge ToD crash. And I wonder why on earth is Dalgun with them in Morocco. Was he hired by NIS? But why would NIS want to hire him? He's an informant but logically there's really no need for NIS to bring Dalgun to Morocco. Also how can he afford the trip? I thought he was broke. 

 

@Ameera Ali she can threaten Dalgun all she wants. These two bicker like siblings. Haha! 

 

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@Ameera Ali she can threaten Dalgun all she wants. These two bicker like siblings. Haha! 

 

 

You quite right :D

I love how she like to remind him who’s the boss :mrgreen: she never get chance to brag against other :phew:

 

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@bebebisous33 excellent details, make me rewatch again , looking forward for more interesting theory :)

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@Ameera Ali I have been thinking about GHR. On the one hand, GHR was introduced as a skilled spy (episode 1) and on the other hand she was called a rookie.

Yet she was interviewed on the same year and day than CDG before he became a stuntman. The latter got recruited and became really good as a stuntman. So I can not imagine that withhin the same period GHR would remain a rookie, she must have become really good, just like CDG.

Furthermore at different moments (like f. ex. she recognized the weapon from the roof and could give many info about the weapon or the way she managed not to get caught or the way she replied to director Min with the picture, the way she tried to stop the ambulance, she noticed quite quickly the kidnapping), she showed true abilities. Then at other times, she appeared as a rookie (the way she tried to arrest Min f. ex. or her reaction after shooting the assassin). Her different reactions are quite confusing. Finally, we shouldn't forget that she called someone using the codename Elsa.

I have the impression that GHR is a double agent who infiltrated the NSI... which means that GHR could have been hired officially later that's why she is called a rookie, however she started much earlier. CDG saw her as a rookie as well as she has to maintain her cover. In my opinion, she had a different mission. We heard from GTW that some info had been leaked before, hence this could have been her real mission, discovering the real mastermind and his moles at the NSI. Don't you find it weird that she was sent to Morocco, where there are people working for the terrorist? They knew where the terrorist Jacque/Jerome was hiding, they gave him paper aso. The murder order was given from South Korea (the person was watching the captive and gave the order to kill by calling his minion). So they created a network in Morocco which needed "infiltration".

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Stuntman is tougher than NIS Agent. Why? 

It took one accident to knock down KTW. However, if I was not mistaken, CDG involved in 3 accidents so far (Jerome, Ambulan, the one caused by Jessica) and been attacked so many times, CDG is still standing tough. 

 

I agree with all, the moment Edward Park said, "Lobbying is not about weapon, it is about people", immediately we were thinking both sides is shady. So now, let us guess, who is the good side in this drama? lol

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