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@zenya22 That’s why it is clear that doctor Ha never loved WHK in reality. He abandoned her, when she was hurt and he didn’t even help SJW for the surgery on WHK. He betrayed his friend out of jealousy. I hope, he will suffer the most due to his misdeeds.

@gm4queen For me, it was clear that NYJ was not just fighting against Seon. But the latest episode revealed that he knew from the start who was the true villain, LJJ. He is the tiger. This means that he must know about the murder attempt against LJH with the car.

He is wearing colored contact lenses that’ s why he has brown eyes now.

No I didn't. Could you tell me in which scene it appeared? However, I can not write any analysis any longer because I am about to travel for one week.

Because he can control him better. Notice that after her last action, KIW started acting like crazy... with YMR by his side, KIW will release his anger towards her, instead of confronting his father. While YMR was away, the father threatened KIW but the latter didn't move one bit. The father couldn't use fear to his advantage. With YMR by his side, KIW is like a puppy. But since YMR has a different face, it will never go back the way it was. That's why KIW will blackmail YMR by threatening her to commit suicide. I guess, the father will realize that he needs to get rid of YMR. She doesn't look like his wife any longer.

In my opinion, KIW's father is abusing his son mentally because he is actually covering up his crime. From my point of view, KIW has been brainwashed by his own father who told him that his mother abandoned him by committing suicide. However, I suspect that in reality his mother tried to protect her son, she came back to take him and her husband shot her. She was killed by him. And his own son could have realized that hence he told KIW these lies. He knew what his mother meant to him. By telling him that she committed suicide therefore she abandoned him, the chairman hurt KIW so much so that he wouldn't pay attention to the details and his own memories. That's why the father can insult KIW as weak. He expected, KIW would come to resent his mother for leaving him behind. The reason why I suspect that his mother was killed is this: Notice that her wound is on her chest and not on her head. Secondly the way she is holding her gun. In an earlier episode, I had seen the blood on the chest but I thought, this could have been a mistake. However, this time the scene was much longer. KIW never saw his mother's suicide, he only heard the gun shot. And notice that in the preview, he is trying to act like "his mother", point the gun to his head.... The reasons why I suspect the father for killing his wife are the following: - He was bothered that YMR looked like his wife... he was afraid that this might trigger KIW's memory of this night - Secondly, he was happy that his son would treat YMR like he did with his wife. Her running away revealed that the lies he had told KIW had worked. - Furthermore he talked about betrayal to KIW once while he was hunting. In my opinion, he was talking about betrayal as if he had experienced it himself. So the mother came back to take her son... and she would leave him for real. - Finally, he shows so much concern for YMR. Why? Because she could trigger something KIW which would make him realize that he had been manipulated by his father all along. Therefore I come to the conclusion that KIW could be shot by his father, as the latter is trying to kill YMR. that's how he will realize what happened back then. Now, we know where KIW went in the first episode. The villa looked a lot like the villa YMR was sent after KIW took her from the hospital. The secretary told him that this villa is used by the chairman. That's how KIW will realize what true love is. His mother loved him so much that she risked her own life to take him away from his father. @zenya22 @lu09 @tiMadam @ktcjdrama Let me know what you think about it!

Unlike you, I don't wish KSH to join his hands with KHW and YJH because they are just considering him and even DHJ as tools for their revenge. They are not better than Do in my eyes. What KHW and YJH are not aware of is the deep relationship between KSH and LYE. They don't know how both are linked to the past therefore KHW saw his "love" for LYE as a weakness. Nevertheless, the detective's feelings for KSH could play in his favor in the end. She will try to dig deeper than the prosecutor Yoon wants her to. From my point of view, their plan is to use KSH as scapegoat. The investigation will reveal: Subject 88 survived therefore he sought revenge. Yet, this plan is not going to work for three reasons: - Do and his accomplice haven't stopped their "business" - DHJ/LYE's real past will come to play a huge part in her investigation. She saw that someone took care of the wound of Kang Seul Gi. The latter saw Pavel killing her grandfather and the man and not KSH. DHJ will figure it out on her own. Furthermore, she remembered Tae Soo as terrible man that's why she will find out that he was the one who poisoned the politician Seo. - KSH will do anything to stop Do's business which contradicts the revenge. KSH will look for the new "orphanage" with the kids.

@Yana Mujay Thanks a lot for the compliment! Actually, the title itself mirrors the relationship between a master and his dog. The master gives the order to the "dog" to kill another "dog". The title is not "kill him" or "kill her"! And this underlines why Ko Hyun Woo is not different from his enemy Do Jae Hwan. He treats Soo Hyun like a dog. @nateko @cheesethatnotsocheesey A detail caught my attention. The prosecutor's name and the secretary's name sound so similar; Yoon Jae Hyun and Yoon Ji Hye. In my opinion, they are working together as they are related. First, he knows a lot about Hansol orphanage. He gave info to DHJ in order to get closer to her but in order to lead her into the "right" direction. From my point of view, Yoon Jae Hyun is there to use Do Hyun Ji. She is supposed to arrest the serial killer, 88. Once he is caught, Yoon Jae Hyun will stop the investigation so that Ko Hyun Woo will not become the target of the investigation. He can get his revenge without being arrested and even suspected. But I hope, Do Hyun Ji will be smarter and even discover the whole truth. First of all, Ko Hyun Woo and his accomplices are not interested in stopping the illegal organ transplants. Ji Hye is well aware about this because she is close to the chairman Do. Yet, she doesn't do anything to stop this. I hope, Kim Soo Hyun survives all this because in the end, he was just a tool for these evil persons who always saw him as a tool or as a killing machine. Furthermore, I also hope that Do Hyun Ji realizes the prosecutor's involvement very soon. In the preview, he keeps talking about the past and shows no interest to the present. She needs to question his knowledge. How does he know all this? I am also curios about his relationship with Ko Hyun Woo.

@philosophie @nateko @blademan Kill it: Masters and dogs Kim Soo Hyun the dog and his masters Episode 1: our main protagonist Kim Soo Hyun during a training as assassin. The first episode starts with a young boy running in the woods in Russia. Although we don’t know the child’s identity, right from the start the viewer realizes that the boy with strange blue eyes is trained to become an assassin because of the rules told by an adult, the boy’s master: Rule number 1: Never reveal a client’s identity to anyone Rule number 2: Never keep a witness alive Rule number 3: Stay alive It is clear that during his training, the boy is remembering his master’s rules, until he has to face a dog. Pavel orders Kim Soo Hyun to kill the dog. While watching this scene, I couldn’t help myself associating this terrible training to the famous experiment of the Russian physiologist Ivan Pavlov with dogs. First, Pavel sounds so similar to Pavlov, then we hear and see a dog. For further explanations, you can read about it there: https://educationalgames.nobelprize.org/educational/medicine/pavlov/readmore.html The Russian scientist developed the classical conditioning/Pavlovian Conditioning and in the K-drama, we see how Pavel is using the same method in order to turn our main character into a killer. Yet, in this scene Pavel fails as the boy refuses to kill the dog. The reason is quite simple: Kim Soo Hyun perceives himself as a dog (see the first picture above) hence he can not shoot his “parent”. Besides, both have blue eyes reinforcing their similarities. The “dog” Kim Soo Hyun refuses to obey its master hence the latter punishes the boy. Yet in the long run, our main character can not escape his fate: he becomes a professional killer. On the other hand, his stubbornness to defy Pavel’s order in this scene allowed him to keep dogs around him. His closeness to animals and especially dogs let him become a veterinarian on the surface. However, the more episodes we see, the more human Kim Soo Hyun becomes. He starts protecting more and more people: first Kang Seul Ki, a young girl whom KSH refused to eliminate, although she was a witness in a murder. Later, he takes care of Pavel who is suffering from dementia like a good son and even tries to protect Pavel till the end. The assassin Pavel regrets his decision to have turned KSH into a killer and advises him to live like a normal person. Then he doesn’t kill Tae Soo and the witness, although he could have. We see that little by little, KSH’s conditioning is disappearing. First, he started questioning Pavel’s rules. Finally, Kim Soo Hyun even refuses to follow his client’s order (episode 6). We can see that KSH is no longer following orders. The question is now, if Kim Soo Hyun will be able to take control of his life, as so far he has lived more like a dog obeying to his masters: Pavel, Philip Ahn and the clients. The congressman Seo Won Seok, Tae Soo and the chairman Do Jae Hwan However, Kim Soo Hyun is not the only “dog” in this story. Episode 5: the congressman Seo Won Seok talking to Tae Soo Notice the words used by the congressman. He never mentions the word “dog”, nevertheless he is referring to this animal as he keeps talking about a leash. The man describes himself as a dog who did the dirty work for his master: “blood on our hands”. The master gave him the order “kill it”. The beholder gets aware that just like Kim Soo Hyun, Seo Won Seok is unwilling to remain like a dog. He wants to become the master himself, which is different from just taking control of his own life. So Seo Won Seok’s goal is different: his greed and ambition are his motivations, while Kim Soo Hyun desires to protected his loved ones. episode 6: Tae Soo with the chairman Do Jae Hwan While the chairman Jo is looking at his hand, he claims that his position as master should never been questioned. He considers himself superior to Tae Soo and the congressman Seo Won Seok. He is not just a master, he is even the owner of the dog. That’s why this terrible man has no problem to order Tae Soo to get rid of the “dog” Seo Won Seok as he is no longer obeying his orders. The master will never dirty his hands, although he is the real murderer and mastermind. Tae Soo doesn’t question Do Jare Hwan’s position at all. He accepts it as a normality. But will he remain by his side, once he realizes that he could have the same fate than Seo Won Seok. Do Jae Hwan keeps saying that at some point, he needs to get rid of people, since they represent a thread and a burden. The scientist Ko Hyeon Woo episode 3: the scientist Ko Hyeon Woo is willing to leave the company because he wants to protect his research. He thinks that only the doctor Joo Young Hoon abused his position. On the surface, the scientist might appear as a good man because he values the lives of the children. However, it becomes clear that he has always viewed these children as his “dogs”, they represent the result of his researches. That’s why he has no problem to use Kim Soo Hyun, one of his “children” to get revenge on the chairman Do Jae Hwan and his accomplices. Sure, he resents KSH even more because he is biologically related to the chairman Do. However, in the episode 6, he is willing to use Kang Seul Ki in order to get more info about the killer he hired. He knows Kang Seul Ki’s fate but he doesn’t feel sorry at all. Furthermore, he has no problem to attempt to kill one of the orphans, Do Hyun Jin/Lee Young Eun. He behaves like a master and treats the children from that orphanage like his puppets. He is in reality not different from the chairman Do. As conclusion: As time passes on, the killer behaves more and more like a human, whereas the opposite happens to the scientist Ko, the congressman Seo and the chairman Do. In the name of revenge or ambition or greed, these men have no problem to get rid of people.

@nateko Almost done catching up! I have to say that the scientist Ko Hyeon Woo is not different from the chairman Jo Jae Hwan. He knows that the killer is number 88 and keeps calling him like that. He just considers 88 as a killing machine that's why he wants him to pay for his failure. In reality, the scientist is not doing it for the sake of these killed kids. He is just determined to ruin the chairman Jo and his accomplices for ruining his life. If he had the interest of the kids from that orphanage in his heart, he wouldn't try to hurt 88 and LYE. I hope, KSH survives all this because in the end, he is the biggest victim. He only became a killer because he had no other choice. LYE became a detective because she was lucky to escape a terrible fate.

Seon will try to reveal that NYJ used the stay of prosecution in order to get rid of his nemesis. However, I am quite sure that NYJ was not the one who killed the two persons like Seon assumes. Notice that NYJ used the psychopath's case in order to reveal the involvement of doctors from Taekyang hospital. NYJ is leading the prosecutor to unveil the whole truth. Han Bit was the analyst from the chairman and he knows the involvement of LJJ. The latter discovered that he was not supposed to inherit the Group therefore he got rid of his father and his friend, the assemblyman Jung. I have this idea that the chairman could have chosen a different heir because he knew that LJJ would get sick very soon. Notice that he is showing symptoms of an illness: dropping the bottle/glass and his face... It is not just about his narcolepsy.

@gm4queen welcome to this thread! I also joined this thread later because I had to wait until Touch your heart was finished. However, I really like this drama. I was right about the downfall of director Seon: the drugs and the embezzlement would be used against him. However, I had never suspected that the prisoners would be used for illegal drugs, as test subjects. Although I haven't watched the episode 8 yet, the change of BN's behaviour seems to indicate the abuse of drugs. I was also surprised how NYJ punished the psychopath and in reality the stay of execution was just an illusion.

I am still convinced that there were two men in black: SM's father and another one. When SM asked JS's father to search for the man he saw, SM wanted him to find his father, while the other thought that SM had seen the real culprit hence he didn't write any statement from SM.

Confession: a mystery evolving around confessions and its implications This K-drama deals about a lawyer, Choi Do Hyun who is trying to find the truth about his father’s crime. Our main protagonist believes that his father has been innocent, however the latter had confessed his crime from the start. This K-drama started airing just three weeks ago on TVN and so far, it is quite entertaining because of the script and the acting. Lee Joon Ho as Choi Do Hyun and Yoo Jae Myung as the detective Ki Choon Ho are doing a terrific job. What caught my attention was the title “Confession” because after 6 episodes, it becomes clear that the main topic of this K-drama is indeed confession. In each episode, the viewer sees different kind of confessions. Han Joon Gu and his confessions In the first episode, the criminal Han Joon Gu kept calling the police in order to tease them as they had not caught the murderer. Indirectly, the police and the prosecution used these calls as evidence that he was in fact the killer. But at his trial, he retracted his confession. A retracted confession is a statement made by an accused person before the trial begins, by which he / she admits to have committed the offence, but which he/she repudiate at the trial. This gave the impression that the police could have use violence in order to obtain his confession. episode 1 the accused Han Joon Gu Our male protagonist is able to defend his client so that Han Joon Gu is found not guilty. Then 5 years later, a similar crime occurs and all the evidence is pointing out Han Joon Gu. The latter had just left the prison a few days ago. The lawyer is now facing a dilemma: he knows now that Han Joon Gu had killed the victim Yang Ae Ran 5 years ago but he is well aware that this time his client is innocent. episode 3: Han Joon Gu confessing his crime This time, his confession creates a scandal. The double jeopardy protects him from being prosecuted for the murder. He has been found innocent due to lack of evidence 5 years ago and now he is once again released. His lawyer with the detective’s help could prove his innocence for the second murder. Besides, the prosecution can not press charges against Han Joon Gu for the same crime despite his confession. 2. The nurse Cho She is Choi Do Hyun’s second client. The prosecution accuses the nurse of committing a professional mistake but later changes the charges. Now, the patient’s death is considered as a murder. During the trial, the nurse remains quiet so that her silence is used as evidence against her. Only at the final hearing, she confesses her crime explaining how it happened. The victim had sexually assaulted her in the past. Her confession contrasts so much to Han Joon Gu’s confession as it shows the pain of the defendant. episode 5 Yet, this doesn’t end here as the nurse confesses to Choi Do Hyun’s friend Han Yu Ri that 10 years ago no one asked her anything, when Han Yu Ri’s father died. So her words imply that back then a crime occurred and she was involved in the death of Han Yu Ri’s father. 3. Choi Pil Soo and his confession episode 6 : Choi Pil Soo is holding a gun, there is a witness and the crime has just happened. Unlike in the other cases, the confession is made right after the crime, when the detective Ki Choon Ho arrives at the crime scene. Choi Do Hyun’s father admits the crime immediately without any emotion. Besides, he never gives an explanation or a motive for the murder. Furthermore, after his confession, he remains silence and even cuts ties with his own son. Yet, it becomes clear that Choi Pil Soo admitted the crime in exchange for his son’s surgery. Choi Do Hyun had a heart transplant shortly after his father’s trial. Here there is a conspiracy where the confession was used as the best evidence in order to cover up the real murderers and the motive, corruption. @thistle @ktcjdrama @reut

@reut @zaireen To me, it was pretty clear that the nurse Cho is involved in the main case. First, there is this parallel between the heart transplant of CDH and JH. Both were on a waiting list, when suddenly the person before them died. Then the other clue was given, when the prosecutor was asked by his superior not charge the nurse Cho for murder. He might have feared that the nurse Cho could leak something. The third clue came, when the nurse Cho confessed to Ha Yoo Ri that back then no one had asked her about the sudden death. She was indirectly implying that her father's death was suspicious which triggered HYR to go through her father's belongings. So, now we know the identity of the heart donor: No Sun Hoo. He was a prosecutor in the anti-corruption department. So we have three deaths: the police officer Yoon Chul Min, the prosecutor No Sun Hoo and the journalist, Ha Yu Ri's father connected to a corruption scandal which got covered up due to their deaths. Each death was also different so that no one could see a pattern in this: accident, a sick patient and a suicide. It looks like the drug pethidine was used to kill HYR's father. The nurse Cho might have been forced to do it... she is somehow related to the actual suspect Cho Ki Tak.