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[lavender2love]

THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO POSTED THE STILLS FOR EPISODE 17, @MAROSA_JIN FOR THOSE WHOSE ESSAYS TOWARDS THE ENDING ARE GOOD READ.... ( will try to backtrack for them again )

But I think it is forgone conclusion it's going the way of the original work which will absolutely tear your eyes out of your sockets just at the irony and the miss-understood story and character arcs of all the leads ( IF it follows 4th, RX, 14, 13 in the C-V )

At a very shallow assumption, 4th prince of Goreyo finally had his face rid of the side-swept bang, scar and costume colour. 4th prince of the original C-version grew a mustache , and his robes bore the royal colour. All this is a set up for that final goodbye, the pain-like-hell parting , the love that won't go away but still burns deeply inside , yet physically they can't meet . The regrets, yearnings for each other , the poetical sighing of a thousand sighs.... !!!! Dying in the arms of 14 th killed 4th in an agonising way.... It was all TOO LATE... TOO LITTLE.... TOO WOUNDING ! Pessimism kills .... it's a hard pill to swallow..... yet there's no other way ( another consideration is that it has to satisfy the " historical board" because in the annals there is no Hae Soo or Rouxi. Even then there is no burial ground  or that they were made Queens ( historical distortion ) So there..... !!! Somehow the memories will have to be obliterated .... Sob! Sob !

   

    

MY ONLY HOPE IS THAT ML DOES IT BEAUTIFULLY ( ALL IN THE REMAINING 4 EPISODES ) SO THAT IT NEVER DOUBTED THAT WS AND HS HAD THEIR STARS CROSSED AND STAYED FOREVER IN A THOUSAND YEARS.

Here I take liberty from @MadraRua insightful posting on page 1 ( yes.... I went back all the way to get to the root of this adaptation.

I believe I will turn into a weeping willow by the river of Han sighing and weeping copious tears. I await with a beating heart.

Bu Bu Jing Xin mv - One Persistent Thought

baowiee Vang

[MezzJowdie]

I havent really watched BBJX i just skipped from episode to episode, but i read somewhere in this thread that 4th from c version changed the decree. 

I saw the same scenario from a movie with the same genre/story 'palace'. 

And one thing i noticed when Queen Yoo was asking Soo the question if Yo abdicated the throne to So, she gave off the feeling that she is hiding something. Right now i just cant get that idea off my head that Soo might have changed the decree (she is after all, the 'key' that will change history). 

Or it could be the other way

8 minutes ago, Kelly86 said:

HS, isn't the type to lie about that stuff so maybe Yo really did give the throne to So in his last moments possibly bc deep down he always knew it was the right choice or to spite his mom bc she's been using him all his life

Sorry to cut your post 

But that idea could be an alternative, that Yo must have seen through his mother's facade, that he was after all a tool, and giving it to So was the best thing/ a bitter sweet revenge to his mom. 

I have this nagging feeling that there is a 75% chance that they are going to use the reincarnation card to reunite our OTP. But what im really hoping is that if they do, make Soo forget her time in goryeo, make it as if its a dream, i want to spare her from the sadness of not being able to see So. 

And if she does meet So in the future, i hope they use de ja vu/familiarity twist. I-think-i-have-seen-you-somewhere-twist. 

I dont know if i read/or it was translated correctly, but somewhere in the long preview, i think i remember Soo saying the line "if only we could have met on a different time..." it seems to me like a dying line. And if it is, she better say it while she is dying in the arms of So. 

 

[dramu51ch0c10ve]

Z.Hera reposted LJK's pic on IG with a comment...I wonder what she said? 

*Sighs look at me stalking actors and actresses IG.What is SHR doing to me?*

[nopem]

 

 

[kaoriharang]

I am not going to ask for a happy ending in the sense that WS and HS live happily ever after.

But i want to separation (cause HS has to come back to her time) done in a way where it makes sense, it is heartbreaking but beautiful. it should emphasis not the separation but the love of WS to HS and vice versa.

Some of us know that the c-version had a season 2 which was the two leads in modern time. I dont know if korea will do so, but i hope there is some indication in the last ep of ML.

[40somethingahjumma]

1 hour ago, antiherofans said:

 

100 % true.

I think that is the point to this story. Go Ha Jin is transported back to the past to help put the history to itself. She will help Wang So become Gwangjong. That is the main reason.

But, in the process, they fall in love. They are not suppose to because their love will ultimately doomed. Because SHE WAS NOT SUPPOSE TO BE THERE.

That is why, they need 1000 years to finally meet again

their worst mistake is TO FALL IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER

Okay, now I am depressed

I expect that they were supposed to fall in love. At the very least on So's side. Because love is the transformative agent for him.

But I never thought for one minute that it would be a happily-ever-after Goryeo affair. Although I don't discount the possibility of reincarnation being used to give us a happily-ever-after on our side, I never thought that long-lasting happiness could be found in Goryeo. I did entertain the idea that Su could become the queen for a couple of weeks but after Eun and Seon Deok's deaths, I gave up on that idea.

I think what's different for me and why I'm not overly anxious about their separation is because these two will have experienced every single thing together before the inevitable separation (unlike the rather annoying Jung Yi: Goddess of Fire where the romance was a bit of non-event. I'm not even sure why they bothered TBH). It's not to say that the break-up won't be painful or I won't shed a tear or two but these two people loved and defied all kinds of odds to do so. At least they did things together even as friends, they suffered together and then went on this journey as lovers. It's more than you can say for Eun and Seon Deok.

[missdharma]

23 hours ago, butterflysaga said:

@sosooyah19 Umm unfortunately no.. they are two diff. person @ruizaio has clarified this issue before.

@missdharma85 Hi.. welcome to the jungle!

Thank you @butterflysaga

My heart beat so fast lookin all the spoilers

Our lovely wang eun singing the song at Busan festival to reminders us to keep watching n support MLSHR.

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Edited October 24, 2016 by missdharma85

[Yippeun_eonnie]

This is what happen on twritter, 

Eun and Seondok reincarnation????

 

Guess Ha Jin will meet future Eun and Seon Deok when she's waking up from her coma...

[itzibitzispider]

I won't quote pictures or any, but might I point out that each and everyone of us was fooled by the makeup industrie for YEARS?

 

They claimed to have invented THE perfect make-up. Eyeliner and such that won't smear away when we cry and and.

Clearly they already knew that much 1000years ago, or did you see sweat stains, crying lines or whatsoever these past weeks???

 

Muuuuuahahahahaha

[luci13]

33 minutes ago, bakafan said:

Hi everyone. I just sign up to this forum because of MLSHR. Never love a kdrama so much before. Until now, my favorite kdrama was "My Girl" and "Goong". Didn't like DOTS or Doctors and regarding MDBC, i dropped it because compare to MLSHR, it's just too childish.... Kdrama W, just stopped watching after 2 ep. Like everyone else, my life change since MLSHR. Just love reading this forum. All of you are amazing and I never thought that fans can be so crazy about drama.

 

Welcome to the thread! as we only have 4 episodes left, unlurking as much as you can You can throw your speculations and theories here as well! We all go crazy because of this drama and all the fantastic posts here! 

ps

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Wow! you've got some old dramas as your fave! I love Goong so much Well, people gets their own personal taste when it comes to K-dramas so I'm glad we happen to love the same drama this time!

 

[SizzlerZ]

13 minutes ago, Yippeuni said:

This is what happen on twritter, 

Eun and Seondok reincarnation????

Guess Ha Jin will meet future Eun and Seon Deok when she's waking up from her coma...

 

I wish that were true but it's not. I read previously on the thread that the child actors are different

[shiqin3381]

What make Yo given the throne to So? Maybe after taking photo of Wang so and Soo, he was so happy . 

credit to owner.

[penelop3]

16 minutes ago, Yippeuni said:

This is what happen on twritter, 

Eun and Seondok reincarnation????

Guess Ha Jin will meet future Eun and Seon Deok when she's waking up from her coma...

Or it could be simply the case of 'cost saving' for the casting team..  

[chi13lou]

2 hours ago, redlion said:

Jung..... he must have a "mother complex" and in the end he also have a "first love complex" toward HS 

He is really a "complex" character. We haven't been able to figure him out.LOL

[zi4r]

1 hour ago, LyraYoo said:

 

This is when I really appreciate the works of PD KKT , despite the close up madness that he made in this series, I love it when he focuses on the intimacy not only thru kisses but others actions between the couple.

The Gwangjong garb is happening .. Joon Gi's dream came true 

Hubby said he feels an insane need to keep pressing "zoom-out" on the remote whenever he sees one of those "close-up madness" shots.

For me, I am thankful for the close-ups whenever it comes to LJG though; it's a treat to see each of his facial muscles tick. And his head seems to be always angled in a way that the closeups don't look awkward (even KHN's shots sometimes look weird when it's zoomed too close).

 

12 hours ago, littleloony said:

@zi4r chingu well done with the anti HS post. I got a kick out of reading it and considering that the post has become a popular one I believe a lot of us agree with your points. I will thank you on venting out the frustration so well on my behalf .

For different reasons I gave up on trying to find logic in HS's actions from ep 9. No I never wanted her to chuck Wook and jump into So's arms like instant noodles but unfortunately I never understood how her brain worked (not the feelings part) from that episode onward. So I always look forward to kind chingudeul in here who explain why HS does what she does. I think of her as the necessary engine in Wang So's life driving him to his destiny because frankly I am mostly interested in what happens to him and how. I love the OTP interactions with respect to the same filter---how it affects So ad how he gets to spend time with his beloved person. This way I have seen that I don't get irritated with HS most of the time hehehe

Anyway, I just quoted one of the reasons you summarized in your dislike list and let me just say that I agree 200% with you. I was appalled at how HS threatened to use herself against WS and then even more appalled that there was no remorse or any kind of reflection from her after the incident was over. I don't know about anyone else but for me it just feels like there is no difference between her and Wang Yo or even the evil Queen. From a very nightmarish personal experience I can say that when a person you love threatens you and emotionally blackmails you with their life there can be very few things more traumatic than that. It is absolutely never acceptable to do that, whatever may be the difficulty or circumstance. So yes, when they showed that I was really taken aback and the sequence just sent out a wrong message IMO. Fortunately, I don't take HS seriously after ep 9 because she refuses to take her surroundings seriously and behaves quite like an "Ekta Kapoor Heroine".

@littleloony I was not gonna respond to each of the HS-related posts separately, but I just feel the need to say this. I am so sorry to hear that your response is coming from a very nightmarish personal experience. ***hugs*** Hope you have managed to recover form such a traumatic experience, chingu. 

On a brighter note, your expression "jump into So's arms like instant noodles" makes me laugh. It brought really weird imagery to my mind's eyes and I kept giggling, quite inappropriately because my team & I are still in office after an all-nighter standby, and they probably think their boss has gone bonkers from lack of sleep now.

And thanks for sharing about Ekta Kapoor Heroine. (Hmm.... I know nothing about hindi dramas. You learn something new everyday!) I am still hoping against hope that HS's character can be something more than just that, though. Maybe, I am just torturing myself by doing so, but it is in my nature to keep rooting for the heroine. Not that MLSHR is a good feminist piece in the first place, but I was so looking forward to the growth in HS's character. Now that such growth is going in a very different direction from how I wanted, I found myself on the verge of abandoning the OTP. Fortunately, last night post lets me relieve my frustration, and now I am as ready as I can be for tonight's episode.

[ChewyChocolate]

2 hours ago, ChewyChocolate said:

LOL!!! Laughing my head off here.

The emotional moment when Soo meets Wook after 20 years:

 

Soo: EEEEEEK!!!

Wook: Don't be afraid, Soo. It's me - Wook.

Soo: Wook???? B..but why are you under my bed?

Wook: I have come to take you away.

Soo: Huh?

Wook: I have come to free you from the palace.

Soo: Errr....

Wook: Let us go now. I will use my ninja skills to whisk you away.

Soo: I'm not going anywhere. My place is here, with So, my 6 kids and my 10 grandkids.

Wook; But I waited for this day for 20 years under your bed.

Soo: No wonder you look so awful.

Wook: I lost most of my teeth in exile. And my hair.

Soo: And why are you dressed in that weird black outfit?

Wook: It's my ninja ensemble - I made it myself from the black robes I used to wear at the palace. To save costs.

Soo: I'm sorry you had to wait for 20 years, but my answer is NO.

Wook: If that's what you want. But could I ask a final favour of you before I leave?

Soo: Go ahead.

Wook: Do you have any anti-pain ointment? My knees are killing me...

 

Wook: Soo-yah, I have come to save you.

Soo: OMG. I thought you left.

Wook: I didn't get far. My knees were killing me. 

Soo: You walked?

Wook: I spent so much time crying in exile I didn't have time to learn to ride a horse.

Soo: I'm telling you again, I'm not going anywhere with you.

Wook: Yeah, I heard. But it was kinda an excuse....

Soo: For you to see me again?

Wook; Well, truth is, I miss my old spot under your bed. I haven't had a good night's sleep since I said goodbye to you.

Soo; There's no way I'm letting you under my bed.

Wook: Pleassssee, for old times' sake...

Soo: NO.

Wook: I'll give you another bracelet.

Soo: NO.

Wook: We could walk in the snow.

Soo: It's summer.

Wook: Oh, really? Wow. Time stands still when you are stuck under a bed for twenty years.

Soo: I'll call the guards.

Wook: I am not afraid.

Soo: I'll call So.

Wook: I'm not budging.

Soo: I'll kick in your knees.

Wook: Okay, bye.

[booo28]

OMG !!!  the spoilers really make my Monday become faster than another day .. 

AHHH... Can't wait for tonight..  

 

[moonangelcake]

I'm always asleep during the live recaps because of school...  Which is okay, I always like to wait for english subs anyway

Looking at the stills and episode preview makes me really excited! xD WY dying, WS finally becoming king , the mask kiss scene (I hope we really do get it this episode, and that the preview is not just misleading us o.o) but most of all, I'm excited for the bracelet scene! Why? Simply because I've been waiting for it since I first saw it (didn't it show back in the episode 12 or 12 preview?? I never saw the actual occur in that episode though, which is rather strange ._. Why, just why??) 

If the bracelet scene doesn't appear in this episode, I'm going to be disappointed!   It's been sooo many years, just happen already!

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[minekas]

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[bebebisous33]

On 10/24/2016 at 8:57 AM, antiherofans said:

 

He is jealous of Wang So. Wang So is his brother and to make it worse, better than him in anything. Much better fighter, better looking (sorry to Jung's fans), people is scared of Wang So's reputation (when So saved Jung's life), now people respect Wang So because of the rain ceremony, he even get the girl . For people in the palace, Wang Jung will always be known as Wang So's Little Brother. This is a bit of Sibling Rivalry case for me. When you have bother/sister that waaaay much better that you.

I think that is why when Wang So confront him after he saved Jung's life, all he can say is "You are jealous because our mother love me". That is his only winning card, his mother's love.

@kaoriharang I agree with @antiherofans' point of view. First of all, Jung had a happy childhood because his mother and brother Yo were nice to him. His mother would do anything for him and he could do what he wanted. Jung was in the center of her attention and Wang Yo didn't mind because his mother kept telling him that he was destined to become king. As conclusion, Jung lived in a happy world, where everybody was nice to him. We could describe this as the age of innocence. This is really underlined by Jung's childish behaviour in the earlier episodes. Queen Yoo and Yo only showed their best side to him. Wang Jung had no idea how cruel, ambitious, ruthless and selfish his relatives were. It is as if Jung had been living in the paradise. He was literally like cut off the real world. Sometimes he felt that he was trapped therefore he escaped the palace and fought among commoners in order to feel alive. Yet, Jung never wanted to change his way of life. He didn't need to worry and he could feel alive through his escapes. But when Wang So appeared in S. and this time he stayed for a long time, Queen Yoo and Wang Yo started behaving differently in front of Jung. Moreover terrible events started happening too (f. ex. the attempted assassination of Crown Prince Mu). To me, the timing is important and from Jung's point of view, the decay is connected to Wang So's appearance. So for Wang Jung, So was the cause for their misbehaviour and the misery. I can give one example: when Yoo discovers that Jung had been beaten and So is standing next to him, she pushes him to the side brutally which really shocked Jung. Then she cursed Wang So, while Jung tried first to defend him, until Wang So adviced him to become more responsible and act more like a grown-up. In this scene, Jung witnessed how unjust and irrational his mother is, but he is also criticised for his own behavior. Jung had never been treated this way before: noone had ever lectured him. So he feels looked down. To me, this scene represents the end of Jung's childhood and innocence. He leaves "Eden or better said the paradise". Since he is so past-oriented, Wang Jung is blaming his brother So for everything. I find it very striking that in the episode 14 we discover Jung's past through Wang So's perspective: Here we clearly see Wang So's jealousy. He envies Jung because he has his mother's attention and love.

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Ironically, the last sentence is ambiguous. Wang So means by it that he wanted to sit on his mother's lap, but it could be interpretated like "he wanted the throne" and his mother was the Queen mother (like a prediction, his wish will come true but in a different way). 

Anyway in the present the place are reversed. Now Jung is jealous of Wang So. First, Jung noticed how Wang So was able to get closer to Hae Soo. Moreover, Wang So got the support of Mu and even Taejo. He started being in the center of attention. Even his mother and his brother were influenced. Sure, they cursed him aso. Yet the fact that he was often mentioned and involved in incidents, Jung lost his special position. Besides, Wang So was not afraid of claiming Hae Soo as his person. In fact, he was the first who decided to make Hae Soo his (episode 4) but at the same time, Jung asked her to look at him as well. So the competition between the brothers started really earlier. As Wang Wook was Hae Soo's lover, people didn't really pay attention to Jung's words. However, Jung's promise has to be taken seriously. Then later Wang So even got Taejo's permission to have Hae Soo as his court lady. Jung was aware of the relationship between Hae Soo and Wang Wook, therefore he never tried to claim her as his love. For that, he had too much respect. He wasn't jealous of Wang Wook out of respect for him. His claim for Hae Soo became more concret, when Jung realised that Wook had abandoned her. From the episode 13, Jung wants her as his woman too. He is now mature. Yet the more time passed on, the more Hae Soo spent time with Wang So. Jung had no idea how Wang So and Hae Soo became close because he was busy taking care of his mother and helping his brother Mu. Moreover, Wang So has always been able to protect Hae Soo, something Jung always wanted to do himself. He sees Wang So's strength, determination and immense love for Hae Soo, while Jung is rather passive in the first place. I believe, Jung must feel inferior to Wang So. Remember that he has Wang Wook as model. Since Wang Wook has always been passive, this had an impact on Jung's behaviour as well. Moreover, So is the one who "killed" Yo... their own brother. Since Jung had been raised next to Yo, the former had more attachment to Yo than to So. Finally the brainwashing from his mother played a part in it too. The bottom line is that Jung is not just jealous, he is also blinded by his past where he lived in the "paradise" and Wang So was the one who destroyed his perfect world. I am sure, that Jung must be wishing the same thing right now, like Wang so wished in the past:  "I wished that So would disappear!"

   

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Edited December 25, 2018 by bebebisous33
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