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7 hours ago, spark101 said:

Maybe unpopular opinion, but I think court lady is probably a better option, intentional or not. Frankly, as badass and capable as she is, she's held back by a damo's status. Being a court lady gives her an opportunity to actually gain rank and be more influential.  

Well, I too feel the same about YJ being a court lady, since I was very open to it from the very beginning, it's the only way now that she can be with YN in close proximity, and as you said, for her to be more influential, though I'm deeply gonna miss her being a badass and all :D. I only wondered there for a moment if they actually meant it for her to be one. As @gerrytan8063 said, she is now the King's woman so yay to that!^^..Hope he'll be able to learn that she entered as a court lady next week. 6 episodes to go and I feel like it's not enough :tears:...

 

BTW, here's the ratings...

 

 

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3 hours ago, gerrytan8063 said:

 

Cheon Yeo Ji enter the palace as palace maid (gungnyeo), she is now technically "King's woman"

 

Actually I don't understand.

Why is court lady / palace maid = king's woman??

Is that supposed to be taken literally?

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1 hour ago, mrsj3n said:

Actually I don't understand.

Why is court lady / palace maid = king's woman??

Is that supposed to be taken literally?

Kind of, in a way. They all serve the king (I mean, in different capacities, obviously; not "that" way, unless the king takes fancy), can't be married, obviously must be virgins, etc... the women of the palace are collectively the naemyungbu(내명부). 

Someone else can describe it a bit more eloquently... paging @gerrytan8063

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Episode 36 was just brilliant! The chemistry between the actors are a sight to behold. The scene when Yeoning was enthroned was grand but it wasn’t what affected me deeply. What really hit me hard was when King Yeongjo found out that those who supported him were giving up their positions in order to free him from the “burden” of their relationship and allow him to build alliances with the other parties.  And his shock when Min Jin Heon admitted to him that these men did it of their own free will so they can protect him.

 

I especially loved the scenes when Moon Su and Yeo Ji met again.  I loved how their friendship with each other and their shared concern and affection for King Yeongjo shone through. And it was lovely yet sad to see how they both realized that they’re willing to sacrifice themselves for their King and friend.  Even if the romance in this drama is very low-key, it’s more than made up for by the warmth and intensity of the other relationships being shown.

 

I cannot begin to say enough about how I love the actors in this drama. Jung I’ll Woo...my goodness! Where have you been all my Kdrama life? Why have I never heard of you until now? The authenticity, sensitivity and intensity of his portrayal of the reluctant prince who became a great king is just...beautiful doesn’t even begin to cover it, but I’m at a loss for words right now. His acting is so nuanced.  He uses his body so effectively in showing the ebb and tide of Yeoning’s emotions throughout the drama.  A slight flash or a tightening of his eyes, even his hands can act. Now I understand why the camera tends to zoom in on his face and hands in those pivotal scenes. I recall scenes where his hands trembled with nervousness when he held Yeo Ji’s hand, how they would shake in barely controlled anger or panic, or how they held onto the head of the dragon on the throne’s armrest in despair as he fell to his knees crying. This man had better take on better projects after this. Forget about those fluffy romances! 

 

And Lee Kyoung Young! A true veteran whose mere change in tone is enough to convey worlds of complex thoughts and emotions. In the hands of a lesser actor, Minister Min would just be a one-dimensional villain and viewers will easily attribute his actions to plain greed. Yet through Mr. Lee’s skill, one realizes that Minister Min’s motivations and reasons for being who and what he is and acting the way he does is not so simple. One cannot simply say he didn’t want Yeoning to be king out of hate.  Through his acting, Minister Min has turned out to be just as interesting and compelling a character as Yeoning. A true anti-hero, not dissimilar to Harry Potter’s Severus Snape.

 

There are the others, like Kim Sap Soon who played King Sukjong.  He broke my heart with those few scenes between him and Yeoning, especially that part when Yeoning was walking away and he kept asking in his mind why Yeoning felt he cannot be the king when he the one most deserving of the throne.

 

I’ll end it here for now, but BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO to the cast of “Haechi”! It’s just sad that not too many people seem to appreciate the beauty of this drama. It’s their loss, though. But I’m personally glad I found it. :)

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3 hours ago, akhenaten said:

Episode 36 was just brilliant! The chemistry between the actors are a sight to behold. The scene when Yeoning was enthroned was grand but it wasn’t what affected me deeply. What really hit me hard was when King Yeongjo found out that those who supported him were giving up their positions in order to free him from the “burden” of their relationship and allow him to build alliances with the other parties.  And his shock when Min Jin Heon admitted to him that these men did it of their own free will so they can protect him.

 

I especially loved the scenes when Moon Su and Yeo Ji met again.  I loved how their friendship with each other and their shared concern and affection for King Yeongjo shone through. And it was lovely yet sad to see how they both realized that they’re willing to sacrifice themselves for their King and friend.  Even if the romance in this drama is very low-key, it’s more than made up for by the warmth and intensity of the other relationships being shown.

 

I cannot begin to say enough about how I love the actors in this drama. Jung I’ll Woo...my goodness! Where have you been all my Kdrama life? Why have I never heard of you until now? The authenticity, sensitivity and intensity of his portrayal of the reluctant prince who became a great king is just...beautiful doesn’t even begin to cover it, but I’m at a loss for words right now. His acting is so nuanced.  He uses his body so effectively in showing the ebb and tide of Yeoning’s emotions throughout the drama.  A slight flash or a tightening of his eyes, even his hands can act. Now I understand why the camera tends to zoom in on his face and hands in those pivotal scenes. I recall scenes where his hands trembled with nervousness when he held Yeo Ji’s hand, how they would shake in barely controlled anger or panic, or how they held onto the head of the dragon on the throne’s armrest in despair as he fell to his knees crying. This man had better take on better projects after this. Forget about those fluffy romances! 

 

And Lee Kyoung Young! A true veteran whose mere change in tone is enough to convey worlds of complex thoughts and emotions. In the hands of a lesser actor, Minister Min would just be a one-dimensional villain and viewers will easily attribute his actions to plain greed. Yet through Mr. Lee’s skill, one realizes that Minister Min’s motivations and reasons for being who and what he is and acting the way he does is not so simple. One cannot simply say he didn’t want Yeoning to be king out of hate.  Through his acting, Minister Min has turned out to be just as interesting and compelling a character as Yeoning. A true anti-hero, not dissimilar to Harry Potter’s Severus Snape.

 

There are the others, like Kim Sap Soon who played King Sukjong.  He broke my heart with those few scenes between him and Yeoning, especially that part when Yeoning was walking away and he kept asking in his mind why Yeoning felt he cannot be the king when he the one most deserving of the throne.

 

I’ll end it here for now, but BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO to the cast of “Haechi”! It’s just sad that not too many people seem to appreciate the beauty of this drama. It’s their loss, though. But I’m personally glad I found it. :)

This is third time I follow Jung Il Woo drama after cindrella and moon embracing the sun. My opinion he show excellent acting and use body language also.. When he cried we feel their sadness how pain he bring all these..especially the conversation with their father and latest the king.. 

 

Its too hard handle and Jung ill woo show A+  of their acting.. Thats why I always mention sbs lack to promote this drama... 

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@shynaz  Yes, I do notice that unlike the other networks, SBS isn't as heavy on the promotions side.  Although they do come out with BTS, but there are no subs.  I think they should offer them with subtitles because they must realize that the market of Korean dramas already go way beyond South Korea.  

 

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2 hours ago, akhenaten said:

@shynaz  Yes, I do notice that unlike the other networks, SBS isn't as heavy on the promotions side.  Although they do come out with BTS, but there are no subs.  I think they should offer them with subtitles because they must realize that the market of Korean dramas already go way beyond South Korea.  

 

I think more people will know after the drama finished already... And say why missed this drama... 

 

Im ready to watch episode 35 and 36..I hope I dindnt cry tonight episode after yesterday... 

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"Actually I don't understand.....Why is court lady / palace maid = king's woman??...Is that supposed to be taken literally?"

 

I had wrote on the subject in page 20 with regards to Ha Cho Hong being a sanggung.

 

As per @spark101 have explained, the ladies who work in the palace household e.g. Court Ladies  (Sanggung 상궁 尚宮) & palace maids (Nain, 나인 ) are the "chattel" of the King therefore they belong to the King & prohibit to marry hence the King's woman & it is a lifetime employment to serve the King & his Royal Family & not allow to leave the palace unless old age, death or ill & sometimes "retrench" due to time of calamities e.g. drought. Even if they are release from service, the rule of marriage still applies

 

If you are lucky enough that the King wants you as a bedfellow, you will to be bestowed effectual sign of grace & favour (Seung Eun, 승은,承恩)

 

For example, Yi Geum's mother Royal Noble Consort Sukbin of Choe clan

 

In the palace, she was just a 9th rank Musuri (무수) receive Sukjong's effectual sign of grace & favour & was promoted to 5th rank then enter Naegwan (내관, 內官) & became a 1st rank Royal Consort

 

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Finished episode 35..sympathy to crown prince..imagine everyone always take bad mouth to him..

 

Minister Min is political thinking person.We cannt know what he thinking.. 

 

Why I feel this drama become short..only drama I can accept the politic issue as main plot.. 

 

Episode 36 suppose happines to king but it feel lonely when you lost your friends who caring to you. I feel so broken to look the king cry.

 

And the king will have the first test to be handle.. In history I salute how he become the long time king when he got these happen..

 

Political main plot and salute to write make watch all scenes without annoy and got to toilet. All scenes are important to look because we want to know the solution their problems. 

 

 

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Well, Go Ara/YJ character was supposed to be strong, but now she has become weak.. sigh.. yes, i know she has injuries but it diluted her scenes. With her being injured, im not sure how she can protect the King in the scenes when she cant run at all....  I miss the jokes between the two characters, to lighten the mood of the drama.

 

Now that YN is king... now is the fight with the political factions? and his brother again?

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7 hours ago, realistic2280a said:

Well, Go Ara/YJ character was supposed to be strong, but now she has become weak.. sigh.. yes, i know she has injuries but it diluted her scenes. With her being injured, im not sure how she can protect the King in the scenes when she cant run at all....  I miss the jokes between the two characters, to lighten the mood of the drama.

 

Now that YN is king... now is the fight with the political factions? and his brother again?

Thats why it weakness live shooting when actor get injured. The scripwriter need to change based on that.I feel its hard to Go Ara because she cannot show so much because pain and injured.Its look serious when Go ara just stand and cannot the fighting skill.. I hope one day Go Ara and Jung ill Wo will have next project together. 

 

We happy Yeo Jin can be show this time.. Because my opinion to many men of all scenes:P sometimes we want relax and happy situation

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Episodes 33-36 aren't like the other episodes. It doesn't make anyone's heart beats fast, no goosebumps, not even the feeling of going up and down the rollercoaster ride.

 

 

B-U-T-! 

 

It is a part that will pierce your heart, slowly... :bawling:  and gradually, goes deep and deeper. 

 

The brotherly love between Yeoning and late King Gyeongjong ... Haechi has successfully made it dramatic! Also the brotherhood bond between MS and YJ and their sacrificial love for YN just to protect him, and YN's emptiness for letting go. 

 

These episodes are the transitioning period, a break to take a grasp of what is happening and is about to happen in the story before the finale. Good job, Haechi team on this part! 

 

As for YJ... 

I believe her role is originally going this way, and not just because Go Ara is injured. The only things they change, I think, are the parts where she is supposed to be in the scenes during the climactic episodes [the 6 episodes absence], and they just add up the reason for her absence, where she is secretly training to be a palace lady. Because even she is training or not, Queen Dowager will eventually seek for a qualified person from YN's side. She will be summoned from Saheonbu, still.

 

With that original plot in mind, YJ's status now as a palace lady is higher than being a damo, and she is trained by the queen, too! How noble is that?

 

However, still, the importance of her role goes down. So sad! And it happens not because Ara is injured. YJ's path is originally entering the palace, and still something is missing about her build up. To think only 6 episodes are left, her role is not fully developed yet compared to Yeongjo, Moonsoo, and DalMoon. Even the villains' characters have solid connection to the plot from the beginning. I can't feel it in YJ's role. I am expecting they are going to show Yeoji's backstory, saving it for the last blow, and the writer will surprise us to give her role a lasting impact since she is a main character, too, even so it's just fictional. Something like Kim Nam Gil's role in Queen Seondoek as Bidam. I am not suggesting to make her role as tragic and dark as that. But if the YeoYeo will end tragically, it will be acceptable if it would have that kind of impact.

 

 

I know Haechi is not about the romance, and although it mainly focuses on politics and Yeongjo's journey to the throne, don't forget it is a drama and not a documentary show. It should fulfill all the elements that they've used, all the ingredients should be well mixed and have put the right amount to achieve the right flavor. If one ingredient lacks, the whole thing lacks as well. 

 

 

But over all, I still love Haechi. And I admire the team for creating this one-of-a-kind sageuk. It is refreshing to watch a historical drama where the royal family are backing up each other, although their relationships are not perfect, too, but they are not killing or hurting each other for power and greed. 

 

6 more episodes left, so I will trust both the director and writer they will not disappoint us in the end and they are still patching up what are needed to patch up. 

 

 

Aja, aja! 

 

 

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@realistic2280a @shynaz I think the writer and director can capitalize,  if you will call it that, on Go A Ra's injury by expanding Yeo Ji's role within the palace. She's supposed to be highly-skilled in covert investigation,  not just in martial arts. While it was good seeing her doing all those high kicks,  I think it will also be interesting if she can play the docile court maid who's actually a spy for the Queen Dowager and the King.  I,  for one,  would love to see Yeo Ji in action as an investigator.  :)

 

@yoo1 I personally thought the drama couldn't get more intense and interesting but I was wrong. Episodes 35-36 made things more interesting and complex. Now,  there's no telling who Yeongjo's allies and enemies are. He will truly have to use all his cunning and innate skill as a politician to navigate his way in court.  But I love how Minister Min, in spite of himself,  is giving him nuggets of political wisdom along the way. 

 

I also love how they handled the relationships of Moon Su,  Yeo Ji and Yeongjo. Moon Su knows how the King feels and now he also knows how Yeo Ji feels. The writer could have easily turned this into the usual love triangle trope,  but instead she elevated it and made it so that Moon Su realizes that Yeo Ji's love and concern for Yeongjo is a mirror of his own love and concern for his friend and King. And that the sacrifices they're both making - her giving up her freedom as a damo to become a court lady and him giving up his position as inspector - is just two sides of the same coin. They both do it because they love Yeongjo and therein lies their understanding of each other. Even if Moon Su did have romantic feelings of his own for Yeo Ji,  he will never resent her or Yeongjo because he loves them both. That, to me, is a very refreshing take on a "love triangle". 

 

Of course,  I'm with you in hoping that they show more scenes showing Yeongjo and Yeo Ji interacting more frequently, especially now that she's in the palace. It actually gives them more opportunity to spend together, rather than if she stayed a damo. She wouldn't have had any reason to be in the King's presence as such,  because her rank would be too insignificant to merit a personal audience with him. So it's all for the good that she's now a court lady. :)

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But... how many episodes are left for YJ to show her abilities? AT this rate, she will become the King's woman in no time... hehehe... and she dont have to do all those fighting scenes anymore.... :)

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On 4/10/2019 at 8:05 PM, shynaz said:

I think more people will know after the drama finished already... And say why missed this drama... 

 

Im ready to watch episode 35 and 36..I hope I dindnt cry tonight episode after yesterday... 

 

@shynaz yes, but viewers after the drama has aired won’t do anything for its ratings anymore, which I believe is a huge factor when it comes to awards and recognition in the Korean entertainment industry. Better if they get onboard now while there are still about 3 weeks to go. 

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By the way,   the little boy of Han Jeong Seok seemed to have just disappeared. I hope they explain what happened to him.  And was the death ledger ever found? I don't remember if it was ever resolved. 

 

I hope the writer resolves loose plot ends like the back stories of important characters like Dal Moon,  Moon Su and Yeo Ji.

 

For example,  maybe they can do some flashbacks to explain Yeo Ji's absence by also showing how she took care of loose ends before going into court lady training. One of them would be entrusting Jeong Seok's son to a family she can trust to take care of him. Then maybe she sells off his house since she can never go back there anyway.  Maybe she can be telling Yeongjo about what happened. And maybe she can also tell him about herself and how she came to be a damo and living with the Han family. 

 

I wonder how they'll manage this... 

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4 minutes ago, yoo1 said:

 

@yoo1 well,  it looks like all dramas with nominations had high ratings. I don't know if there are any award-giving bodies in Korea that select dramas and actors based on critical reviews and nor ratings or popularity. 

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On 4/10/2019 at 8:20 AM, gerrytan8063 said:

@mrsj3n

 

"Actually I don't understand.....Why is court lady / palace maid = king's woman??...Is that supposed to be taken literally?"

 

I had wrote on the subject in page 20 with regards to Ha Cho Hong being a sanggung.

 

As per @spark101 have explained, the ladies who work in the palace household e.g. Court Ladies  (Sanggung 상궁 尚宮) & palace maids (Nain, 나인 ) are the "chattel" of the King therefore they belong to the King & prohibit to marry hence the King's woman & it is a lifetime employment to serve the King & his Royal Family & not allow to leave the palace unless old age, death or ill & sometimes "retrench" due to time of calamities e.g. drought. Even if they are release from service, the rule of marriage still applies

 

If you are lucky enough that the King wants you as a bedfellow, you will to be bestowed effectual sign of grace & favour (Seung Eun, 승은,承恩)

 

For example, Yi Geum's mother Royal Noble Consort Sukbin of Choe clan

 

In the palace, she was just a 9th rank Musuri (무수) receive Sukjong's effectual sign of grace & favour & was promoted to 5th rank then enter Naegwan (내관, 內官) & became a 1st rank Royal Consort

 

I actually didn't get this either. So being a court lady essentially would mean that YJ is now one of the King's women? I assume that if the King's Empress was actually a kind person and not a power seeker, that we would most likely not want a romance line between YJ and Yeongjo. So I assume if the King really wanted, he could summon YJ and have her remain "his woman," so to say. I highly doubt that his character would force YJ to stay, but the romance line between the two is actually quite well executed.

 

On 4/10/2019 at 10:56 AM, realistic2280a said:

Well, Go Ara/YJ character was supposed to be strong, but now she has become weak.. sigh.. yes, i know she has injuries but it diluted her scenes. With her being injured, im not sure how she can protect the King in the scenes when she cant run at all....  I miss the jokes between the two characters, to lighten the mood of the drama.

 

Now that YN is king... now is the fight with the political factions? and his brother again?

I agree that when YJ heard that Mun-su left the palace; I am sure that if Go Ara was not injured that she would have chased after him and tossed him a lot of questions and then judge him for leaving Yeongjo/Yeoning. I also miss the little comedic scenes; although we did get one with the Saheonbu pals with the ginseng, I miss the relief between Mun-su, Yeoning, and Yeo Ji. 

 

I loved how they executed the scenes when Gyeongjong died and Yeoning cut his hand to give him blood. The conversation and Yeoning begging his brother not to die-- actually calling him "Hyung-nim" really shook me to the core. It was really emotional, and now that Mil Poong is back on track to harm Yeoning, he's got to be on top of his feet (especially with the plague). Oof, Yeoning was so CLOSE to finding out that Yeo Ji is now a Court Lady! I cannot WAIT for him to find out and give her a scolding (as we all remember him telling her to NOT become a court lady... But now that he's king... Is there anything different?)

 

Now that the Norons and Sorons are kind of split, I actually want see more of the political division and how Yeongjo deals with all of these issues around him. Obviously he blamed himself for his brother's death in the pressure of Norons, and I can't help but feel now that all of his three trusted persons are ALL resigning at the same time. Although I am almost sure that it will NOT be the last time that we see those three, especially Mun-su. Can't wait for next week (but yet I don't want this drama to end?)

 

Just wanted to give a shout out to all of the actors and actresses in the drama -- it makes me happy, sad, and a twirl of emotions.

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@xprosperity hello!  Yup, I think Yeo Ji is now technically the King's "woman" although not necessarily in the sense that she shares his bed.  Anyway, she is under the Queen Dowager's Palace so she's her court lady.  But I would think the King can always exercise his right to get her to become one of his since they all belong to him ultimately.  

 

Anyway, even if Yeongjo were to do that, I think he would exercise control and respect her wishes.  Unless provoked, I guess.  Hahaha!  :D

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