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7 hours ago, sheza said:

 

This scene also mirrors the one when YJ got out of the car when she was having a fight with JY.  So I guess perhaps JY will start understanding why YJ got off and perhaps even felt the same feelings she was feeling then?  

 

Yes yes, I remembered that scene too. This indeed shows how JY is in the same stage now as where YJ was 5 yrs ago. Hopefully he himself also realizes this in ep 15 and put 1 and 1 together and comes to understand YJ more. Though apparently now YJ finally tries to open up in her despair, she is being cut off by JY:bawling:

 

To think about the JY up till ep 13 (still putting ep14 off) I really resent the restrained JY with SE and prefer the more lively and emotional JY with YJ...JY, its time to wake up, stop putting your head in the sand! He has shown us so much growth from the jealous and almost childlike (in love) JY to the present more stable and confident JY. Why not take the last step, be honest with yourself and fight for what you really desire? He too deserves real happiness.

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So, watching ep. 13 carefully, several things were very clear to me. YJ was definitely happy with HC. This was no marriage of convenience in any way. Sori's conception was no accident, as someone suggested in a couple of posts:

 

When we first see YJ in her memories and dreams, she is blowing soap bubbles and smiling happily in the sunlight on a beautiful day. She's looking up, happy and laughing, at someone taller than her. That can only be HC, and it's before they had Sori. She was clearly happy with him before the death of their daughter. That also explains why she still has the framed pictures of the two of them with Sori - a picture of the happy family they once were.

They both look happy and in love when Sori is born, and HC was very obviously a loving father. So much so that he can't bear to tear himself away from Sori to go to work. Even though YJ mildly scolds him that he has to leave for work, her tone is mild, soft, and peaceful, not impatient or cold. When YJ and Sori are by the pool at home, waiting for Daddy to come home, again, they are clearly a happy family and loving parents. Here again we can see just how much HC adored his daughter. We also see the beautiful life they have together. Their phone conversation about Sori's birthday is the easy, happy conversation of a happily married couple and doting parents.

When the accident happens, it happens on YJ's watch, so to speak. So in addition to the grief, she is clearly feeling guilty that she didn't notice that Sori wandered off after the cat, as children often do. At the funeral, they're both so grief-stricken, it's incredibly difficult to watch. She's broken, and he is so deep in his grief that it seems that he's frozen so tightly because otherwise he'd shatter. (Their acting here is excellent. In his real life, Min Woo Hyuk absolutely adores his son, who is just a little older than Sori is in the drama, and his son, who is the cutest 5-years-old MWH "mini-me", idolizes his daddy and follows him everywhere.-- They were on House Husband for some episodes -- So how Min Woo Hyuk managed to film that scene at the grave side of his child is beyond me!! It's absolutely every loving parent's nightmare.)

Afterwards, it's clear that each is so deeply buried in sorrow, that they cannot grieve together. He can't relieve her guilt, and it's possible, because it's realistic, that maybe he even felt that it was in some way her negligence that cost Sori's life. However, he never says it or shows it, and maybe he didn't even think it, but YJ would blame herself for sure. Earlier memories we saw in ep. 12 did show that he was trying to hold her and get her to stop drinking to drown her sorrow, and that he asks her a number of times if she'll be alright while he is gone, possibly to work. But now we know that her grief is also mixed with feelings of guilt. That explain her heavy drinking.  Despite his pain, he was still trying to help her and care for her, since we heard him begging her to stop, saying "Please, YJ, no more!" and his voice is broken.

 

A number of people commented wondering on why would YJ still keep a picture of her ex-husband and daughter, a happy family portrait, and even holds it when she's crying, even though they're now divorced. To me, it seems very clear. I don't know why it's hard for people to believe that she loved HC, and was happy with him. In her memories of her life with HC and Sori, we don't see her pining for JY while she was happy in her marriage. It's clear to see that she did love her husband, she obviously adored her daughter, and they were once a happy family. As much as some people want to think otherwise, that she was secretly still pining for JY, everything in ep 13 points to her marriage to HC not being just a marriage of convenience at all, and that she was happy with him.

She keeps looking at the family portrait, and holding it to herself when she's lying down because she lost it all, and she probably believes it was all her fault. So considering YJ's personality it makes total sense that she would divorce HC because she feels that she caused his loss and his deep sorrow.  So in her mind,  the way she thinks, the least she can do is to give him the freedom to find happiness. It also explains better his words to her at the restaurant, that he's tried so hard but in vain. To me, it sounds like he still loves her and possibly didn't want the divorce, especially since we did see that he tried to get her to share the grief together, but she refused. It totally fits her personality to do what she thinks is better for the man she loves, *even if he doesn't think so and doesn't want what she thinks he should have.* That's been her pattern twice with JY, too. Both times when she broke up with JY was because she thought it was better for him. But the fact that YJ still holds on to the picture of her with HC, both smiling and happy together and with their daughter, and also the fact that her dreams and her memories are also all about him and his love for her and their daughter, all show that she is grieving the entire loss of the happy family she had and her happy life with HC, as well as her guilt for the loss of Sori.

I believe her when she tells JY that she's happy for him having a fiancé and that he's getting married. She doesn't begrudge him that at all. She's been happy, and she says he deserves to be happy. He's the one who first starts worrying about her and her deep sadness. Since he doesn't know the cause of it, it's an honest mistake for him to assume it's because of a failed marriage.

Him thinking that she wasn't happy in her marriage, it would be easy for him to think "what if", and to wonder. So far, it seems that YJ looks to him as a source of comfort, yet she hasn't told him about her loss, so he's responding just to her loneliness and broken spirit, but it's unclear what she wants from him at this point.

 

What really confuses me is that YJ's brother never mentions her, and never makes any reference to the death of his only niece. It's also like he doesn't even know YJ is back in Korea, or that she lost her daughter. That's just bizarre and more than likely just really bad writing!!

 

It's clear that her friend, JooRan knows, since she is trying to help, offering pomegranate juice instead of alcohol, and trying to distract YJ with work.

 

Finally, Joo Ran's cancer. My stomach literally sank for her. She seems to have no family, her best friend is dealing with her own grief, and DJ is so self-involved and has taken her for granted for so long, that he's totally oblivious to her distress, and doesn't even give her a chance to tell him what she's going through. Ironically, YJ at some point thinks to herself that she's all alone and has to take care of herself now, even though she had a husband, an ex-boyfriend, and her best friend all caring about her and making sure she has a place to live, eats decent meals, and listen to her when she reaches out. But the one who is truly alone here is JR, who is facing cancer entirely alone. The people to whom she was always a good and loyal friend aren't able to even see that now she needs them. YJ is there for her for a short few hours, to cut her hair,  but then YJ totally falls apart and makes JR's cancer about herself when she calls JY and says "Everyone I love leaves me or gets sick." Joo Ran's cancer isn't about YJ. Also, neither JY nor HC left her. She's the one who forced both men to leave.

 

JY's sister is now getting on my nerves because she's now no longer amusing. She's become cold and rude to the point of being verbally and emotionally abusive, and I am irritated with SH for putting up with her attitude, forgetting how cool he was, and regaining some of that coolness and swag back. He also needs to get rid of that dad-perm and get his sexy hair back.

 

One last observation. When HC thinks of the name "Sori"

for the baby,  he says, "A man named Choi Ha Chul and a woman named So YoonJae came together to make a beautiful baby girl..." and then they both agree together on the name SoRi."  

Also, YJ doesn't seem like a woman who would have been intimate quickly or easily with one man right after another. We actually have no hint that YJ and JY had slept together.  Also HC is a doctor, so he'd know if the baby was born at full- term or "early." So I don't think SoRi was JY's.  If she was, and HC still adored her as much as he did, it would say a lot about what a great man the doctor is. 

 

On to ep 14!

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@tali58 I was one of those people who thought it was a marriage of convenience.  Of course now as the story unfolds, I don't think so anymore.  I agree that she wanted a divorce because she feels too sorry and too responsible for the death of the daughter.  Again, this is one aspect of JY I do not like - running away when the going gets tough.  Till death do us part doesn't exist in her vocabulary.  I understand that she's in pain and in the process of self loathing at the moment but still, I hope this part of her attitude will change.

When she sees JY with SE.  She sees him smiling and thus she is happy that he is happy.  But notice that she was not happy at all otherwise.  When she was looking at JY smile, she had a pensive smile.  Almost like she is happy that he is smiling.  When she caught their eyes, she smiled at them but after that while walking towards them, her expression was sad.  The reason was not clear - whether it is one of regret or just her being in pain. 

I also find it bizarre that SJ never mention his niece.  Perhaps YJ is very much like SJ - in that household, no one mentions anything that's negative.  Avoidance of negative is actually a false positive.  Just because you don't tackle negative things doesn't make everything beneath the surface looks right.  

While I do think that YJ loved HC, I don't have this feeling that they share the same passion  as twenty something JY and YJ.  Perhaps that's the writer's intention too, to illustrate mature love versus young love.  And though there were many moments of YJ's happy life as a family with HC, somehow I think the one who sealed that relationship was their love for Sori.  It makes one question too how a child can affect the equation of marriage - whether it is the birth of a child or a death of the child.  

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15 hours ago, tali58 said:

One last observation. When HC thinks of the name "Sori"

for the baby,  he says, "A man named Choi Ha Chul and a woman named So YoonJae came together to make a beautiful baby girl..." and then they both agree together on the name SoRi."  

 

Yeah, that was really sweet.

 

Choi = him

So = little

Ri = Lee (Young-Jae's last name)

 

Her name means "little girl born from Choi and Lee"

 

And this name is almost like the writers saying to the viewers - "No, this girl is not Joon-Young's daughter."

 

I think people resist believing that HC and YJ could really have been in love because:

 

1. We've been conditioned to believe in One True Pairing by K-dramas. Real life is not that clear-cut.

2. We loved YJ and JY together. HC was the interloper.

 

Even though I've worked hard to be realistic and argued that grown people ought to be free to make these choices, and fully believe that HC and YJ were and would have been blissfully happy if So-Ri hadn't died - I still feel like we do need more explanation.

 

Because the last time we saw YJ at age 27, she seemed pretty sure that she was not interested in HC romantically.

 

People can change their minds, but we do need to see how she came to cross that bridge, somehow.

 

--

 

I wanted to mention a couple of other things:

 

- I mis-translated that Joon-Young was selected to be the sous-chef at the new branch of the Portuguese restaurant. But he was actually going to be a "soo-seok" chef, which means "top" chef.

 

- I defended Ri-Won until now. That she was always honest with Sang-Hyun and neither had any delusions about the other. But I see now that her cold attitude is taking a toll on him. So something will give, eventually.

 

- I thought it was hilarious that his name is Hyun Sang-Hyun, a sort of palindrome in Korean, and that is what everyone always calls him. Then I discovered that the actor's name is Lee Sang-Yi (Yi Sang Yi) which is also a palindrome.

 

(Okay, that was pretty esoteric, but I thought it was funny.)

 

- I guess my last thought is that while Se-Eun is being compared to Joon-Young at 27 (in terms of insecurity), I think that she is more similar to Ho-Chul (in terms of her persistence and willingness to go far in order to make sure she gets the person she likes)

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3 hours ago, chickfactor said:

 

Yeah, that was really sweet.

 

Choi = him

So = little

Ri = Lee (Young-Jae's last name)

 

Her name means "little girl born from Choi and Lee"

 

And this name is almost like the writers saying to the viewers - "No, this girl is not Joon-Young's daughter."

 

I think people resist believing that HC and YJ could really have been in love because:

 

1. We've been conditioned to believe in One True Pairing by K-dramas. Real life is not that clear-cut.

2. We loved YJ and JY together. HC was the interloper.

 

Even though I've worked hard to be realistic and argued that grown people ought to be free to make these choices, and fully believe that HC and YJ were and could have been blissfully happy if So-Ri hadn't died - I still feel like we do need more explanation.

 

Because the last time we saw YJ at age 27, she seemed pretty sure that she was not interested in HC romantically.

 

People can change their minds, but we do need to see how she came to cross that bridge, somehow.

 

Thank you for the exact quote of HC's words. I didn't have time to go back and find it. 

 

At 27 we saw YJ *saying* that she wasn't interested in HC romantically, but was she really saying it to him and JY, or did she keep saying it to convince herself?  

An interloper can only be an interloper if he's given the opening to become one. Has YJ truly been happy fully with JY, she wouldn't have given HC so many mixed messages,  and she wouldn't have questioned her own happiness or unhappiness with JW.

Every time she said it to someone, she then looked unhappy saying it.  It's totally possible and realistic that she was attracted to both men.  There's a reason why she kept giving HC the mixed messages that kept him coming back to her and finally confessing his feelings. And she had enough doubt and self- awareness to break up with JY because she knew she couldn't fully be with him. 

 

I think all the clues and info are there. It's just that people are used to specific drama "rules" or cliches, and when writers deviate from them, viewers try to still force the drama into the "accepted" format,  rather than look at the story with fresh eyes. 

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There is a blank that need to feel in between the breakup of YJ-JY and the marriage of YJ-HC.. We still dont know the reason for her to get married with HC after dumping JY..YJ outright rejected the HC in the past.Whats made HC can slip back in and given a second chance by YJ ...

 

I think this is important because this is what makes YJ slightly unlikable to many viewers,including me..Many feel that for YJ, JY is just some sort of solace, a convenient for her.. She was happy with HC and their daughter... and JY probably not on her mind during that period.....

 

I do hope that for the last two episodes this question will be answered...

 

 

 

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@tali58 What you said is interesting!  There are many gaps in YJ's arc that is still a mystery.  HC is one of them.  It could be interpreted that HC was the one who initiated the divorce.  Many of us assume it is YJ because of the way she left JY.  Could it be HC is the serial divorcee?  Yes, he expressed regret that he couldn't fulfil his ex-wife's happiness but other than that it doesn't seem like he was too brokenhearted in the way he chased YJ.  Yes he was heartbroken when he lost his daughter, who wouldn't and he did try to comfort YJ but we really did not get too much back story aside from those scenes.  He continued to work (I am not saying he shouldn't) while YJ wallowed in depression.  When they parted, he said that he has tried so hard to make it work with YJ whereas for his first wife he said he wished he had tried harder.  It just kind of makes me feel that if he should meet a third woman, he may say the same thing to her about YJ.  That he wished he tried harder.  That he felt helpless when their daughter died and YJ fell into depression.  Is that part and parcel of life, an excuse or just a lamentation of deep regret?  

 

When SE talked about lack of courage and how YJ lamented that you do need courage to get a hold of the one you love.  She's probably referring to either JY or herself as cowardly.  Most likely herself because it is uncharacteristic of her to be judgmental.  

 

I am also wondering about the bitter tea and bitter fruit.  YJ said she has come to like the bitter tea from HC's mother and JY's dad had grown bitter persimmons all these years.  Could the writers be insinuating that in spite all all the bitterness in life, people could find happiness in life?  It doesn't have to be with the "love of your life" like other kDramas.  It is about the willingness to make something work inspite of.... perhaps the drama is addressing the question: for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health, forsaking all others, till death do us part.  

Right now at this juncture of the drama, all I know is that JY should go to YJ because she needs help.  It is the humane thing to do.  He will carry her just like he did Soo Jae and the old lady who needed the hair cut.  We know that YJ can't call her bestie or her brother for help because she probably feels they are not in the position to help her having their own problems.  Why would YJ call JY and not HC in times of crisis?  Because HC left her?  Because he is overseas and could not be reached?  It seems like things were looking up after her warm meal with JY and that she was going to snap out of it and get her life in order, only to have the shocking news of JR coming at her.  I think in reflecting at her own mortality, she probably is terrified that she will end up alone and JY seems like only person who constantly bounce back to her life.  It probably took a lot of courage on her part to hold on to a life buoy in JY.  
 

Looking at HC and JY's characters, SE and YJ's characters and contrasting it, my question would be: when should a person give up?  How much should a person suffer before they should consider giving up?  

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They shot the final episode, Small Table.

 

 

Cutie pies.

 

 

She really cut her hair for the scene!  The pixie cut suits her.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Joo-Ran underwent chemotherapy.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

@tali58  @shezaI found that nothing in life goes as planned, including love.  I just think Young Jae learned to love Ho Chul once Joon Young left ;) 

 

Spoiler

 

 

BTS

 

 

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7 hours ago, pattsue said:

There is a blank that need to feel in between the breakup of YJ-JY and the marriage of YJ-HC.. We still dont know the reason for her to get married with HC after dumping JY..YJ outright rejected the HC in the past.Whats made HC can slip back in and given a second chance by YJ ...

 

I think this is important because this is what makes YJ slightly unlikable to many viewers,including me..Many feel that for YJ, JY is just some sort of solace, a convenient for her.. She was happy with HC and their daughter... and JY probably not on her mind during that period.....

 

I do hope that for the last two episodes this question will be answered...

 

 

 

YJ didn't outright reject HC. Her words and actions didn't match. She would verbally reject him, but then give him double messages in her behavior with him. When they accidentally met at his ex's wedding, she went on a long walk with HC, listened to him revealing his vulnerability and his regrets about not being a better husband. She comforted him, and vice versa. Men,  especially proud ones like HC, don't open up like this to a woman unless they feel she's emotionally open to them. 

As much as she was surprised and nonplussed when he sang to her publically, she was also touched and emotional about it.

He was also her rescuer in a couple situations, and stepped in to protect her without a second hesitation. Yet he never tried to tell her what to do or not do. He took care of her without being clingy.  That he also adored her exactly as she was and didn't need apologies all the time would have made falling in love with him even easier. 

Simply put, what she was lacking with JY, HC filled. It's very easy to see why she would fall in love with him and be happy with him.

 

I don't know that I need any filling in, really. I also don't see how her falling in love with HC would make her a bad person or unlikable. 

 

I do agree with you 100% that if she's intruding on JY's life now because she needs solace, without taking into consideration how that affects his life, that's not right. Having said that, people dealing with deep loss go through a selfish period where they feel that only they are suffering that much,  that others don't understand what loss is, etc.  We saw this in her inability to see that HC is in as much pain and grief as she is. It doesn't make her a bad person, though, but at times unlikable. 

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1 hour ago, tali58 said:

YJ didn't outright reject HC. Her words and actions didn't match. She would verbally reject him, but then give him double messages in her behavior with him. When they accidentally met at his ex's wedding, she went on a long walk with HC, listened to him revealing his vulnerability and his regrets about not being a better husband. She comforted him, and vice versa. Men,  especially proud ones like HC, don't open up like this to a woman unless they feel she's emotionally open to them. 

As much as she was surprised and nonplussed when he sang to her publically, she was also touched and emotional about it.

You know, these kind of things that made her slightly unlikeable especially to JY's supporter..

And it is understandable...

She went out with other guy while she was dating JY.And if she got married after broke up with JY, it looked like she dumped JY for HC..

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13 hours ago, pattsue said:

You know, these kind of things that made her slightly unlikeable especially to JY's supporter..

And it is understandable...

She went out with other guy while she was dating JY.And if she got married after broke up with JY, it looked like she dumped JY for HC..

Well, it simply makes her a complex and realistic character. She's full of doubts,  insecurities, and having grown up without parents and just a brother to teach her to navigate through life, she isn't unlikable, just human. 

 

To be honest, she's not one of my favorite drama female characters by any means and for various reasons. But she's interesting, and Esom really shows her complexity.  But YJ is basically a selfish person, in romantic relationships (she isn't with her brother) regardless of the reasons why. From her very first date with JY, she's more about what she wants and what she thinks. Their first meal together, on that first date, is symbolic -- she doesn't bother to see that he's suffering eating spicy foods because it's what she wants to eat. All the signs are there, and he even tells her so. On first viewing,  it's funny,  but in retrospect, it's a foreshadowing of things to come.  

The reason I liked her when she was with HC is that for those periods of time, she was slightly less selfish and self- involved and actually "heard" the other person. She didn't break up with JY directly because of HC, but rather because he indirectly makes her realize on her own that she's not in a healthy relationship with JY, that she's hurting JY, that she's not what JY wants her to be, nor does she want to be how he wants her to be.  So breaking up with JY, and letting him find himself and his happiness is actually an unselfish act. HC is the catalyst, not the cause. 

I see the bitter tea story as part of that. She first drank it in consideration for him, to please his mother. But she grew to like it, in other words, she grew to like being considerate and making compromises out of love, even though it was hard at first.

 

But she fully regressed after losing Sori. She's not interested in other people's feelings,  including HC's, even in their grief. She acts as if only she lost Sori, not him, too. I think that's what some of what HC means when he says he wonders why he had tried so hard. She's the one who wanted the divorce because instead of sharing their grief with him and getting through it together, she really doesn't want to face his as well. She wanted the happy family they once were, but she doesn't want to be with him when they're both suffering, and he's run out of strength to coax her back out of her habitual self- involvement. 

 

So I totally get while many viewers dislike her, especially if they're looking for the typical drama romantic heroine, but she's an interesting character, and definitely a very realistic one. 

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Ep.15 Video Preview - translated

 

Young-Jae: Joon-Young, this is Young-Jae. I wanted to call someone, but I have no one else to call.

 

Se-Eun: Tomorrow is when our families will meet each other. I can't believe it.

 

Joon-Young: Se-Eun, I have something to say to you.

 

Soo-Jae: Baek Joo-Ran, I can't contact her, I can't call her.

 

Joo-Ran: That I am sick, to please hug me tight, I should have said. (Soo-Jae comes to see her.) I fussed about wanting love, but I never knew what it really was.

 

Young-Jae: Joon-Young, you don't have to worry about me.

 

Joon-Young: Young-Jae...

 

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Ep.15 Text Preview - translated

 

영재(이솜 분)의 전화를 받은 준영(서강준 분)은 수화기 너머로 들리는 영재의 목소리를 향하고. 아프고 다친 영재의 모습을 보며 흔들리지만 이내 상견례에 설레는 가족과 자신만을 바라보는 세은(김윤혜 분)을 생각하며 마음을 다잡는데. 한편, 항암치료 차 병원에 입원한 주란(이윤지 분)은 자신의 투병 사실을 숨기느라 바쁘고, 이를 알 리 없는 수재(양동근 분)는 주란을 찾기 위해 영재를 찾아가는데...

 

 

After answering Young-Jae's phone call, Joon-Young goes towards her voice that he hears on his phone. Seeing Young-Jae hurt and injured shakes him up, but he holds himself back thinking about the two families who were excited to meet each other, and for Se-Eun, who has eyes only for him. Joo-Ran, who is admitted to the hospital to receive chemotherapy is busy hiding her illness from others. But Soo-Jae, who couldn't know about it goes to see Young-Jae to find Joo-Ran...

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Hi everyone, what an emotional week it has been for this forum thread. The drama has been at the back of my mind too, been thinking about how the ending will be (whenever I had free time).

 

@chickfactor Thank you for posting the translation, I saw the clip on IG and was wondering what they were saying. 

 

I researched (stalked) some other threads and IG comments about this show. Some responses I saw were:

- "I can see that he wants to choose hard times with YJ instead of choosing happiness"

- "I stopped watching this show since both male and female leads are weak"

- "I want Young Jae to have a happy ending because her life has been an absolute s*** show from the beginning"

- "YJ's character is very toxic"

 

It's really interesting how everyone's opinions are so different for this drama. Other dramas that I have watched faithfully with high amount of discussion (Goblin, Mr Sunshine are just 2 examples), the viewers' opinions about each character are generally in the same direction. For this show, it's really free for all. 

 

For me, I think real life is really like this show. It's full of opinions and everyone's experience is different, so our reactions to things are also different. 

 

Are YJ or JY weak? I'm sure everyone has strong moments and weak moments in their life. YJ was really strong in every misfortune that happened to her. She was only weak when she got drunk and gave in to her innermost desire which is to talk to JY. JY was really strong by living in Portugal for 4 years, and also for getting his police license and doing well in his job when it's actually not his interest. He is only weak whenever YJ (his soft spot) reached out to him. 

 

If JY pursues his heart and follows YJ, does it mean it's happy ending? Not really, they will have lots of tension, being angry, quarrels, but deep in their hearts they really, purely, truly love each other. Are 100% concentrated angry arguments worth it just to feel pure love? 

They may even break up again, just because they are so incompatible in character, but yet they love each other so much. 

Is true love really enough, to last forever? In spite of everything else in life?

 

If JY marries SE, someone who is so similar to him (actually not really, she just acted some of her similarities e.g. she doesn't like the same type of peach as him, I low-key dislike SE's character...), harmonious family in-laws, sweet and doting wife on the surface, everyday peaceful home, no arguments at all, will he be really happy?

 

If he sees YJ on the street coincidentally after 10 years and their eyes meet, will his heart twinge with regret, crestfallen look, or will he feel "yes, I made the right decision marrying SE"? 

 

What is happiness, what is a happy ending?

 

I'm still searching for it in real life. And I hope that in this unreal Korean drama that is written so realistically, maybe the writers (probably older than me) can share with me what they think a realistic ending will be for the characters of JY and YJ, of whom I have spent 16 hours with by the end of this show. 

 

Because I sincerely want to know. 

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If JY pursues his heart and follows YJ, does it mean it's happy ending? Not really, they will have lots of tension, being angry, quarrels, but deep in their hearts they really, purely, truly love each other. Are 100% concentrated angry arguments worth it just to feel pure love? 

They may even break up again, just because they are so incompatible in character, but yet they love each other so much. 

Is true love really enough, to last forever? In spite of everything else in life?

 

If JY marries SE, someone who is so similar to him (actually not really, she just acted some of her similarities e.g. she doesn't like the same type of peach as him, I low-key dislike SE's character...), harmonious family in-laws, sweet and doting wife on the surface, everyday peaceful home, no arguments at all, will he be really happy?

 

If he sees YJ on the street coincidentally after 10 years and their eyes meet, will his heart twinge with regret, crestfallen look, or will he feel "yes, I made the right decision marrying SE"? 

 

What is happiness, what is a happy ending?

 

I'm still searching for it in real life. And I hope that in this unreal Korean drama that is written so realistically, maybe the writers (probably older than me) can share with me what they think a realistic ending will be for the characters of JY and YJ, of whom I have spent 16 hours with by the end of this show. 

 

Because I sincerely want to know. 

You v put it so well in writing *thumbs up*. Yes what is a happy ending, it is unfortunately in hands of the writer...

 

If JY musters up his courage and pursues YJ again, I do think their relationship will have a much higher rate of success and reaching happiness. They both have changed for the better the past five years. JY has found his own course and purpose in life by becoming a chef and he is practicing his dream job career wise. He is more confident, less uptight and always been considerate towards YJ. The last step for him to learn/grow now is stop running away from problems, not to avoid 'difficult' situations again. He needs to learn how to solve problems/misunderstandings by communication, not by sticking his head in the sand (talking things out with SE would be a good first step!). YJ has changed also, she was able to love and devote herself to another person. Death of a loved one can really mess a person up, but she was ready to pick up her life again. Just to receive another blow...A relationship might not work with only loving feelings, if lacking communication and consideration. Pls let that be the message the writer wants to tell us.

 

Like you pointed out, SE just seemed similar/matching to JY on the surface, if necessary she just pretends she likes the same food and also vain innocence (while scheming up some stupid blind date, seriously girl shame on you). If JY ends up with her, thank you writer for showing us selfishness is the key to reach happiness, just ignore the feelings of your partner, what counts is your own desire. Bravo SE if you get what you want. Oh and pls have the writer explain what the hell 'The Third Charm' really meant as title, I would seriously not get it.

Maybe I m biased, once I see OTP I would also like to see a happy ending...Why would that not be a realistic ending? What was the terrible thing YJ did to JY? Why would it only be realistic if JY chooses to live a numb life supposedly happy with SE?

Life is already a daily struggle, I like to watch Kdrama for their twist and turns not often happening irl. I watch Kdramas  mainly for entertainment and to set my mind off the daily  life, so pls give us a good feeling and happy ending for OTP...

 

Don't know why but after seeing the preview and BTS, I suddenly foresee an ending that I really dislike (maybe because many Kdramas which started so well messed up the endings). With mixed feelings I will watch ep 13 & 14 to brace myself for the finale... 

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5 hours ago, 122am said:

Hi everyone, what an emotional week it has been for this forum thread. The drama has been at the back of my mind too, been thinking about how the ending will be (whenever I had free time).

 

@chickfactor Thank you for posting the translation, I saw the clip on IG and was wondering what they were saying. 

 

I researched (stalked) some other threads and IG comments about this show. Some responses I saw were:

- "I can see that he wants to choose hard times with YJ instead of choosing happiness"

- "I stopped watching this show since both male and female leads are weak"

- "I want Young Jae to have a happy ending because her life has been an absolute s*** show from the beginning"

- "YJ's character is very toxic"

 

It's really interesting how everyone's opinions are so different for this drama. Other dramas that I have watched faithfully with high amount of discussion (Goblin, Mr Sunshine are just 2 examples), the viewers' opinions about each character are generally in the same direction. For this show, it's really free for all. 

 

For me, I think real life is really like this show. It's full of opinions and everyone's experience is different, so our reactions to things are also different. 

 

Are YJ or JY weak? I'm sure everyone has strong moments and weak moments in their life. YJ was really strong in every misfortune that happened to her. She was only weak when she got drunk and gave in to her innermost desire which is to talk to JY. JY was really strong by living in Portugal for 4 years, and also for getting his police license and doing well in his job when it's actually not his interest. He is only weak whenever YJ (his soft spot) reached out to him. 

 

If JY pursues his heart and follows YJ, does it mean it's happy ending? Not really, they will have lots of tension, being angry, quarrels, but deep in their hearts they really, purely, truly love each other. Are 100% concentrated angry arguments worth it just to feel pure love? 

They may even break up again, just because they are so incompatible in character, but yet they love each other so much. 

Is true love really enough, to last forever? In spite of everything else in life?

 

If JY marries SE, someone who is so similar to him (actually not really, she just acted some of her similarities e.g. she doesn't like the same type of peach as him, I low-key dislike SE's character...), harmonious family in-laws, sweet and doting wife on the surface, everyday peaceful home, no arguments at all, will he be really happy?

 

If he sees YJ on the street coincidentally after 10 years and their eyes meet, will his heart twinge with regret, crestfallen look, or will he feel "yes, I made the right decision marrying SE"? 

 

What is happiness, what is a happy ending?

 

I'm still searching for it in real life. And I hope that in this unreal Korean drama that is written so realistically, maybe the writers (probably older than me) can share with me what they think a realistic ending will be for the characters of JY and YJ, of whom I have spent 16 hours with by the end of this show. 

 

Because I sincerely want to know. 

I think the reactions are so varied and conflicting because the characters and the story,  the dilemmas the characters face, are very realistic, and the whole cast has been really believable and real in the roles they play. So people react differently based on every viewer's personal beliefs and life experiences. 

Also,  because the story doesn't follow the typical drama "rules" and cliches, it really makes some people upset or uncomfortable.  There is no "evil" or "bad" character in the story, so people are trying to force HC, or SE, or even YJ into that expected role, even though none of these three characters are evil or bad. Some fans don't want to accept that. 

 

There is no one answer to what is happiness. What is Happiness is very subjective. It's totally different for each person, but also different at different times in a person's life. There is no one, single answer. Ultimately, it's the voyage to finding happiness that defines our lives, and every person's voyage is entirely unique and personal. So no one person, and especially no one writer or one group, whether it's writers or viewers, can define it to everyone's agreement and satisfaction, or give you the "right" answer.  Just like in real life, the only one who can define your happiness, and who decides what and who makes you happy is you,  not other people. 

 

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This drama has became way too miserable to me, they did every single negative cliche, pretty disappointed they went this route

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One of the take away points I get from ep 14 is that there are people who are hurting too when you are hurting.  When Joo Ran called YJ to tell her about her cancer, she only thought of how SJ must have suffered but she didn't think of how YJ had suffered while SJ suffered and how YJ is suffering now when JR wants to keep this "secret" from SJ.  I guess this is what they mean when they say love is blind.  

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