[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[bebebisous33]

12 minutes ago, solelylurking said:

 

You are right about YH feeling is not a black and white thing. She is very interesting as a character. She is hateable but in certain way she is pitifull too. 

As I think about again, YH feeling for So is mix feeling. There is a little bit of like, there is a little bit of fascination, but love is strong word. I won't be using it to them until it's proven. She wants to tame the beast. If she loves him, she will not say that. But it is true that she fond of him and care about him (the scene where she mend his wound). 

I don't think she will consider So if she want to marries to power. So is scarred. His chance to become king is slimmer than Wook. That's why she back up Wook so much to become king. I don't know why she doesn't want to marry Yo. If it is power she seeks, she should marry Yo. That's the closest fastest way to get it. 

About Wook.. That's why I said So should develop his feeling a lot faster and take away the girl. Wook's character would not see any big development until that day comes. Wook's feeling for Soo is a mountain, the main purpose for him to smile and breath. He taught her feeling is the same too. I think Wook will think So take away Soo without her consent. That's why he will become beserk. 

It will interesting to watch his character change and shift. 

I disagree with you. Yeon Hwa can't marry Yo because she would suffer the exact same fate than her mother. She would be a wife among others and she would be depend of Yo's good will. What Yeon Hwa wants is to become The Queen and not just Queen. She has the same dream than Queen Yoo, yet the latter never succeeded therefore she is trying to use Yo in order to become The Queen. And this is the other reason why Yeon Hwa can never marry Yo. When Yo becomes the king, the Queen will be his mother. She will be the one who shines the most.

Yo's proposition seems tempting, but it is like with the snake, when it talked to Adam (Bible). His points were correct. If her brother becomes the king, she will only remain the princess. However, since she has such an influence on Wang Wook, she could become the Queen in the shadow. Moreover, she would be less depend than with Yo. 

[skxz]

Annyeong Eclipses! So I decided to do a character analysis on Yeon Hwa cause I feel like not many people talk about her (I mean I really don't like her) but the depth and complexity of her character is quite amazing.

FIRST ENCOUNTER

We first meet Yeon Hwa when she catches Soo staring at Wook. She looks like a pure and kind girl but looks can really be deceiving. Right from the get go she emits a very authoritative aura. The way she spoke to Soo was basically her dissing Soo indirectly and highlights how she looks down on people. 

 

Although she is the first daughter of King Wang Gun being a woman in an era which was male dominated was definitely not easy and she would not have been considered as equals to any of her brothers whether they be younger or older. We can see that this is a struggle she faces and in order for her to be able to gain the power she wishes she must marry someone of high status. Only then would she be able to sit at the top. 

Another hindrance is that she is the child of Queen Hwangbo who is not the first Queen. This puts her further away from her goal and we can tell she hates it. 

HAE SOO'S PUNISHMENT

However it is evident that nothing stops her from seeking power and status. She is often seen conversing and hanging around her brothers which holds to show that she will not back down even if women are viewed as lesser in society. This is evident in the scene where Hae Soo gets a beating. All the princes are present and no one says anything at first. Like many have mentioned even Wook wasn't able to stop her because he was hesitant due to their familial relationship. Eun and Jung didn't dare say anything to her. Yo was just enjoying it like the evil guy he is and Won well he just follows whatever Yo does (I really wanna know more about Won). It was only So who could stop her and even at that point she argued that she was in charge of running the household and this was the power she had and no one could say otherwise. She really stood her ground and that was rather impressive. 

Spoiler

 

LADY HAE

The conversation between Wook, Yeon Hwa and Queen Hwangbo regarding Lady Hae is where we first see the importance of power to Yeon Hwa. She tells Wook, "You need to consider marrying again for the sake of your future." Yes she is looking out for Wook's future but she is also trying to save her own skin.

Spoiler

 

THE KING

Her conversation with the King about marriage is one of the key scenes that really highlight her behaviour and character. "Does that mean you wish for me to live far away from the palace?" You can tell from her saddened expression after she asks the King that she does not like the idea and she does not want to be married off to some high status family. What she wants is to stay in the Palace and marry the next King. She doesn't like the idea of her life being dictated by someone else.

Spoiler

 

YO AND SO

Episode 5

The interaction with Yo and So was rather interesting. She states "I am not looking for a great man. I am waiting for a man who will cherish me. Someone who will treasure me." This to me is rather ironic as she had told her brother a couple scenes back to marry someone else not for love but for the outlook for his future. She's rather selfish and manipulative.

The most interesting of that scene is when she states "How much fun it would be to turn an animal into a human." This line I think shows that she wants power. She's basically saying what if I could tame a beast and bend them at my will. She is very curious of what this would be like indicating very subtly that she has a thirst for power. 

Spoiler

 

Episode 7

Finally when her and Yo converse about how she will not get anything she wants even if Wook was to become King. Yo is very calculative and manipulative and in this conversation that is depicted. He says that it is in her best interest to marry him as they share the same dream, that is to rule Goryeo. However she is able to quickly point out the flaws in his plan and that it would no be in her best interest as she will not be his first wife (which would put her in the same situation her mother is in). She challenges Yo and this highlights that Yeon Hwa is smart and quick on her feet.

 

WOOK

Early in Ep 7 she talks to Wook about finding him another match for the benefit for their family (This is not in all the versions but I think it should be cause it's rather important to her character development as well as further insight into her character). We see that she has a fear of being driven out of the palace again and wants Wook to go into another political marriage. She even says "Whether it's an arranged marriage or I'm sold off, I will not enter a marriage that does not help you." This is of course the complete opposite of what she said 2 episodes a go and shows that her desire power is becoming stronger. If it means she can be on top she will do whatever it takes. Looks like she's become both blinded and driven by power due to fear.

No love just politics.

 

I think she is a rather compelling character and someone I will keep my eye on in the future. Her character (like I have also mentioned before) is very much like Yo. I do not like either of them yet they intrigue me as they add another dark and mysterious layer to the story. I realised after re-watching her parts that she is looking out  for Wook but ultimately it is for her benefit. Furthermore, the constant changes and events which occur cause her to be more focused on her final goal. She is fearless and headstrong and I love that there are female characters like that in the series it's just sad to see that she is doing this for all the wrong reasons. She's desperate.

 

Things which I look forward to seeing:

1. What relationship she will end up sharing with So. Although I hate the idea of them being together I want to know what may end up bringing them together (if it were to follow the course of history)

2. The development of her relationship with Yo. Two peas in a pod.

3. How she will fall. All villains have their downfall and I want to know how hers unfolds.

I'm sorry this wasn't a very good analysis. I feel like I'm lacking in some areas but I shall work hard and hopefully improve. I just wanted to give my thoughts on this character as I found her rather interesting. Although she is not mysterious her actions and the way she acts are very notable. Thank you to all those who made it through this long post. I think I want to do more character analysis on other supporting roles so feel free to let me know if you want me to talk about my thoughts on another character. 

Thanks again for reading! Lots of love 

 

[yuhotarubi]

Funny thing to me is, I always wonder and worry wether HS will do something to change history since she can't remember it herself, but then I think, she already changed history, she made soap !! Soaps didn't exist in that time, she'll be known as the mother of beauty, lol 

[qwenli]

1 hour ago, junee22 said:

I really wish that more ppl will appreciate all the hardwork of the production team..all of them..and not only pointing at their mistakes. Imagine when we worked really hard to do our job descriptions/duties/homeworks etc..but all that we get only prejudices,criticisms..how would we feel? 

It's so easy to find and point mistakes to someone..but have we ever experience all those hardwork they did? do we have top achievements that could recognised all over the world so we can brag to them? Let's all see through our heart..and give full support to this drama. 

 

sorry to cut your post, but well said indeed.

I will like to start some positive energy by starting a post to compliment the drama.

First up for praises:

1) the elaborate sets - man, they got an indoor pool! complete with steam and flowers! 

2) the effort to go all over Korea to choose the best heritage places, for filming! Korea is not a small country, from Seoul to some of these other provinces, requires an hour by plane or 3-5 hour drive. Many of these places are remote, so they will have to bring lighting and power generators to do filming.

3) the ensemble casts - with so many princes to choose from, surely there will one for every kind of taste! haha.

4) the gorgeous costumes - IU kinda like have 1-2 dress per episodes? That girl sure has a large wardrobe! Even Joongi has more than a few masks. lol

5) the numerous osts - no matter whether they are suitable or nice, this is one of the drama that I am seeing so many osts!

Please post your compliments to start a positive movement too! 

 

[solelylurking]

13 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

I disagree with you. Yeon Hwa can't marry Yo because she would suffer the exact same fate than her mother. She would be a wife among others and she would be depend of Yo's good will. What Yeon Hwa wants is to become The Queen and not just Queen. She has the same dream than Queen Yoo, yet the latter never succeeded therefore she is trying to use Yo in order to become The Queen. And this is the other reason why Yeon Hwa can never marry Yo. When Yo becomes the king, the Queen will be his mother. She will be the one who shines the most.

Yo's proposition seems tempting, but it is like with the snake, when it talked to Adam (Bible). His points were correct. If her brother becomes the king, she will only remain the princess. However, since she has such an influence on Wang Wook, she could become the Queen in the shadow. Moreover, she would be less depend than with Yo. 

 

Yes, you are right and your argument is spot on too. It is true that The evilishername Queen mother will be likely to shine the most if Yo become king. But if we look other option (there isn't a lot) the most reasonable choice to be what she wants right now is Yo. Wook chance to become King is not as much because his family status is lower than Yo's family status. That's why Wook is careful. He is trying to set his basic as politician first because he know his background is not very helpful. Yo knew this too, that's why he said that to YH. WS chance to become king is slimmer than Wook if we want to based it on how people in that era thinks. They value beauty very much. So's scare is seen as a disgrace. That's why his mother abandon him. He is no use for her because she tought he can not become king. 

That's the basic of my thinking. 

Well Yo and YH is peas in a pot anyway. It's like a snake make a deal to a larger snake. If the writer decide to ditch history, they should make Yo as YH husband. I want to see what their house hold looks like hahaha. But I think they will make YH marry So. It will create more intersting story and the basic of Soo's pain. 

[MrKobegiant]

A big thank you to those who have used your wonderful IT skills to post those lovely BTS gifs. I know often BTS can itself be a kind of fan service but IU just isn't like that. 

Junki is such a talent! He can talk to horses and knows how to flirt with IU! She's really very shy but she didn't seem to mind Junki's playfulness. Poor Ha Neul! He could only watch from afar when JK grabbed IU' wrist to kiss/bite it!

[uuugogirl]

19 hours ago, getsuya said:

 

Hi! I was only a silent lurker up till now but I have some ideas on my mind that I would like to share.

It's about the premonition. I have watched it repeatedly at least ten times and it seems as it shows the death of three kings.

The 1st is obviously kingTeajo - we can clearly see his face, but the second and the third are different men I think. It is possible that the k-ver drama will go according to the history and WS will become the 4th king after CR and Yo. The face of the 3rd king is blurred but it looks much like a young man's. Also, Soo remembers that Gwangjong is the 4th king and not the next as she thought at the beginning. But HOW that manage to fit it into 20 episodes is a mystery to me!!

Please share your thoughts. Or maybe someone has already written about that?

 

One more, it is a question related to C-version of MLSHR. Major spoilers inside!

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In c-drama 4th prince (king at that time) finds about Ruoxi and 8th romance very late - like last episode or one before! I really hated that part. It has hurt 4th prince very much and was a direct reason he allowed the marriage between Ruoxi and 14th prince.

Unfortunately, there is nothing showing that WS knows/suspects about Soo and WW feelings. What do you think?

I would hate it if the director would do it the c-version way!!!!

 

 

 

To answer your question in the spoiler: yes, WS will soon find out about WW-Soo's affair  (LJG said it himself in the cast interview) And soon WS will get jealous with Wook, and becomes obsessed with Haesoo, and then he keeps getting very jealous later on   I hope So won't be too insecure because of it.

[bebebisous33]

@skxz I really loved your very good analysis about Yeon Hwa.  I agree with you that her character is much more complex than she appears first. Yes, she is using her brother to get what she wants that's why Wang So's description really fits her as well: "You can't trust anyone, especially the one close to you". Yeon Hwa is a more cold-hearted and level-headed person than her brother and even Wang So in my opinion. I can't forget the scene, when Yeon Hwa, her mother and lady Hae met Queen Yoo and at the end, lady Hae took her hand in order to comfort her. Wook's wife knew exactly what Yeon Hwa was feeling: upset and mad. However, Yeon Hwa pushed the hand away showing that she doesn't care about empathy and feelings. Wang So is in that matter different. However, she is not cold-hearted and evil like Yo because she felt sorry for Wang So's humiliation. She is able to feel empathy. Yet her calculative nature makes her less emotional and sensitive. She is so different from Wang So because despise his cold and distant behaviour, he is the exact opposite: very emotional.

Just like him, she had a traumatic experience and I guess, she suffered much more than her brother, since she is a woman and as such, her status is much lower. Actually, she is a little different from Wang So and Hae Soo. She thinks, she needs someone to save herself, so as such she is trying to relying on someone. On the other hand she is looking for someone who will need her as well so that the relationship is more equal.

Finally, that explains why she is jealous of Hae Soo

because Yeon Hwa had thought, if she could show interest towards Wang So, he would come close to her so that she could manipulate him and turn him into a human. Yet "showing interest" (an expression she used herself) is not the same than showing care and affection therefore she misjudged Wang So's personality. She never thought, he could have feelings as he seems to be so calm and level-headed. Secondly, when she mentioned "turn him into a human", she had something else in her mind: the human should behave exactly like her: ambitious, selfish, ready to defend his Queen, cold-hearted and calculating. Striking is that Wang So is right now transforming himself, he is turning into a human, but a different kind: someone who is more honest, sensitive to others, less selfish, less brutal and able to socialise. So her jealousy towards Hae Soo doesn't come from her heart, I mean by it that she is not really competing for Wang So's affections as such. It is just that Hae Soo is ruining Yeon hwa's plan, as she can't have any influence on Wang So. Her plan was to get a hold of Wang So, influence him so that she could get what she wants, but with Hae Soo by his side, it makes it impossible. This also elucidates why Yeon Hwa is so eager to get rid of Hae Soo after the singing. She doesn't want her to have more influence on Wang So and the other princes because she needs a relative to achieve her goal.

[qwenli]

More pix of them on the horse from SBS 

I can look at those in the spoiler all day. 

[spoiler/]

[lavender2love]

Just barely able to stand upright after watching episode 7 with subs...... and trying to catch up with at least 10 pages of back read..... It's an interesting episode .... hmmmnnn..... so many mishmash of so many different things..... WW and HS intensifying romance, WS stirring intense feeling, 10 th birthday party which seems like a k-pop idols participation in a variety show  < sorry > , a very lusty and scheming Number 3, an itching CP., smirky Queen, cold court ladies.....and and and ..... a bear woman..... haizzzz.......etc etc...

I think I suffer from the to-ing and fro-ing of MLSH to BBJX, interjecting certain scenes of the C-version and then running willy nilly off back to its K-drama roots.  I try to distance the 2 dramas so I can find it easy to watch the K-version but it's soooooo distracting. I think I know what's ailing me..... Tong Hua's exquisite writing which is why  even the " sequel " BBQX is a MEH ... because it wasn't a written by the novelist.

Thanks to those who put a explanatory perspetive to certain puzzling events...... I recall @immortalangel, @liddi @MoOnLoVeRz.... pardon me, I read the back posts in haste... will check again those whose posts resonate with me,

Also @bebebisous33..... you are in your element..... good repartee.

Ta...... back to real life.... !! Thanks everyone for your contribution. So many exceptional posters.

[hiluna]

 

4 hours ago, qwenli said:

 

This is the korea online amazon equivalent - interpark online book sale.

Apparently, Koreans have been buying the books of the dramas. For Scarlet Heart books, the sales has increased more than 160 percent since the drama, broadcasted. Current "Scarlet Heart sets (total of 3 books)" climbs on September 1, the top 10 best-selling novels.

Interpark Books Marketing Team bakhyeryeon said, " Buyers buy to compare the character One is how to enjoy the original drama that compares the drama character and writing, including the similarity between the original and drama" he said.
 

I don't understand why the book is out before the drama has finished screening. Doesn't it give away the ending? or is it a translation of the original novel?

[gluttonousrice]

53 minutes ago, uuugogirl said:

 

 

To answer your question in the spoiler: yes, WS will soon find out about WW-Soo's affair  (LJG said it himself in the cast interview) And soon WS will get jealous with Wook, and becomes obsessed with Haesoo, and then he keeps getting very jealous later on   I hope So won't be too insecure because of it.

 

Oh.... wow..... OBSESSED.... that's a strong word..... *imagination runs wild*.... Predicting the things he will do to her since he is not as calm as the one in the Chinese version. 

[lavender2love]

Aaaahhhhh ..... had to come back and yell out how beautiful WS is...... with or without his mask.... a face that can launch a million hearts. WW is swoon worthy, so sweet, tender  and handsome but when is he turning into an ambitious and scheming Prince vying for the throne ? Would love to see a chess like manouvering with WS and their teamsto outwit each other,  I thought HS's slashing her wrist is a stroke of genius to get out of marrying the King.... yes that really stumped the " old man with many sons....."hahaha  And the bracelet WW gave her is simply lovely.... surely that will seal a girl's heart for eternity.

[evok]

3 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

I suppose, you mean Wang Wook, the 8th prince, since Prince Wang Yo, the 3rd prince is so mean and such a coward.

However, I wanted to reply to your description about Hae Soo's feelings for Wang Wook. I agree with your description. Hae Soo doesn't love Wang Wook. First, she said that she liked him which reflects her true feelings. She could have said, she loved him, but she didn't. Secondly, I think like you. Wang Wook seems to behave like her ex-boyfriend. The latter was good looking, nice to her therefore she had no idea what he was doing behind her back. She is such a honest person so that she is unable to see the true personality of people. She trusts people too easily because she thinks, as long as she is honest, the others will do the same. That's why her life has not been working so well for her, because she can't imagine that people can be greedy, selfish and dishonest.

Then since the betrayal, she needed someone who would tell her that he loved her in order to reboost her low self-esteem. She is like Wang So, she needs to feel being loved but she is acting the opposite to Wang So as the latter doesn't allow people to come close to him. To me, Wang Wook is just a rebound because she is making the exact same mistakes like before. Wang Wook keeps making promises but the latter always fails. However, Hae Soo is not noticing it at all therefore she is not criticising him for it. She says that she will wait, that he doesn't need to feel pressured aso. She is so selfless that Wang Wook is taking advantage of it. And in my opinion, the ex-boyfriend must have acted in a similar way because he left her with a huge amount of debts. 

Her conversation with Wang So at the beginning is really telling. She is too naive therefore Wang So is confronting her with the harsh reality. 

While she is such an optimistic person, which can be helpful sometimes, Wang So is the opposite. Through her, Wang So discovers life, how to enjoy it and see the positive aspects, while with him, Hae Soo will learn to be more alert around people and less naive. Finally, Wang So who has learnt from his childhood to mistrust anyone, meets such a honest and direct person so that he starts learning to open up.  

 

yeah yeah I wrote wrong...8th prince ..obviously she hurt so much in her modern era life. we also saw a little moment that she is running away from bunch of ajummas....maybe they related with him or with Ha Jin's best friend...or again about cosmetic! but she hurt so much and she just want someone who is nice to her, gentle and can understand her well. Also he likes his handsome face..she said few times "he is handsome"..thats also process of her learning. she will learn to look at people inside. she will learn to care and we humans like to be loved more than love other side. she will learn how to love someone, care someone with everything he have...Ha Jin is obviously older than Hae Soo but still she is in teenage girl mind and this love stories will be a lesson to her in a real grown-up process. obviously she send back to past for 3 reason...change her point of view, learn love and help 4th prince/stop the things he will made with her new matured  life view. 

 

[bebebisous33]

@lavender2love Thanks for reading my posts and being so supportive as always!

Now I would like to comment on the last scene, where Wang Soo looks at Hae Soo and adds that he hates that look in her eyes... he hates it like crazy. Many asked for the meaning behind his comment so that someone answered that he was realising that the way she looked at him made him fall harder for her, which makes him more vulnerable and he can't stand it.

Even if this is a good explanation which I agree too, there is also something else to it. First of all, the look can be compared to a mirror, however the look as mirror doesn't reflect reality, but it is a transformed vision. When we look at people'eyes, we can see how they perceive us as well, how they can judge us. So the gaze gives us an external perception of ourselves. On the other hand, we get a certain self-perception as well because we see a little our own reflection. I hope, so far it is understandable. SELF-PERCEPTION + EXTERNAL PERCEPTION

So when Wang So is saying that he is mad at her look, it is first because he is seeing himself. It is his self-perception he is seeing. The way I see it, Wang So hates his scar, he hates his face and finally himself. His huge inferiority complex is visible in that scene. I believe, he has never looked at himself in the mirror and since people never looked at him properly (in his eyes), he has never got a chance to see his own perception. That's why when Hae Soo looks at him, it is the first time that he is seeing himself and he can't stand it. Sure, her eyes don't reflect reality but he doesn't feel it like that. He is forced to see himself, he is confronted with his reflection. Remember in the second episode, he asked her if she saw it. In my opinion, back then, he didn't feel like she was looking at him. So back then, he was not really confronted with his self-perception. 

Moreover, since he was an outcast and had a bad reputation, he was never interested in looking at the external perception. He knew about the rumours about him, he never paid attention to it or he used it to his advantage, therefore he was never bothered to look at people's eyes/gaze. He knew how people would perceive him. But this time, it is different: he is seeing, how he is perceived by Hae Soo. Her judgement about him is painful because he has just realised that he loves her. He is afraid of seeing himself in her. How does she view or perceive him? I guess, he is mad since he is in love but he sees no love for him in her yet. It is painful for him... on the other hand, he sees that she cares for him so that he gets aware of the difference in their affection. It hurts him even much more. Finally he is confronted with external perception that matters to him this time. Hae Soo's judgement and perception is so important to him as she is the most important person in his life. 

As conclusion, he can't stand her gaze for three reasons:

- he hates to see himself in her as he hates himself

- for the first time, his external perception is really important because Hae Soo has such influence in his life

- Wang So realises, how Hae Soo perceives him: someone who needs comfort and empathy, but she doesn't love him back.

This is painful for him. I hope, this was understandable to read. All this leads me to come to the conclusion that

- he needs to accept himself and overcome his inferiority complex

- he needs to change Hae Soo's view about him, so that he will change his behaviour towards her. She needs to see him as a man and as a man in love with her. Since Wang So is more a man of action, we can expect why he will become more physical with her.

You can tell me what you think about it! Your opinion and feedback are welcome.

@Yongzura @littleloonydid you read this comment?

[Diana Blanche]

@bebebisous33  Amaze me with your sharp observation. I never thought that Wang So sees himself in her eye. I couldn't explain to myself his assertion about hating the look in her eyes. Thank you for made me understand.

 

[40somethingahjumma]

If there had been any doubts that So was the lead male character, surely it must have been put to bed with the last episode as we saw him at his most emotionally vulnerable. He was taking a chance in trying to fit in... to be a part of the family whether through channelling his energies into study or finding himself in love with the silly, noisy girl who made him laugh or taking that bold step of unmasking himself to those closest to him -- the very people that he had warned Su against.

I loved how surprised... stunned he was to realise how the silly boisterous girl had, little by little, wormed her way into his heart. It shook him to the core that she had such sway over him, that she was occupying his thoughts with her cheerful optimism and simple perspective on the world, that he had become so captivated by all her quirky doings. That mixture of anger, self-loathing and longing that imbued his words and eyes before the music swelled and the credits rolled was truly heartbreaking. Being emotionally naked in front of someone whose good opinion he valued so highly, whose affection he was beginning to crave was full on assault on a man who had been hiding behind his mask.

He has been alone for the longest time. I don't think anyone really understood how that crippled him inside. Naming trees, counting them as companions. Then burning his favourite because he needs to survive. The violence masking the fear of being alone... the desire to belong and accepted.

Su made him feel that in this big wide world, he does belong. She's not alone because he's there... guiding her, helping her, giving her real advice on how to deal with the cut-throat world of palace realpolitik, to keep living and follow the course. She challenges him to take a chance on family, not matter how dysfunctional and disappointing that might be.

I don't think it would be all that hard for Su to "move on" from Uk as I'm in the camp that doesn't really think that Su is in love with Uk even if she thinks she is. I don't know why we assume that she is just because they do text book romancing. She's vulnerable too. Finding herself transported to the founding of the Goryeo dynasty still in the grip of birth pains, wondering where she fits in, trying to survive as an anachronism messing with history, all on top of having already experienced betrayal in a relationship breakup in the 21st century.

On a certain level, it has been a lovely fantasy. I too was trapped in it for a bit because of the pretty people involved.

But what does it mean to be in love? I doubt even Uk knows the answer. With the death of his wife, he weeps in the dark regretting his didn't tell her that he loved her. He wasn't sure then but now that she was gone, he was sure that it was love. Why should we trust his judgement? He'd been wrong before. Couldn't he be wrong again? Is he in love with Su because it's different from what he had with Lady Hae? Does he tick all the boxes like some male fantasy figure from a romantic novel because he gives her love tokens, touches her in all the right places and says exactly what she wants to hear?

Maybe I'm a lot harder on Uk than I should be. But there are red flags for me. He's not as perfect as he seems. I don't necessarily think that he's calculating or conniving... I don't see any of that. What I do see are streaks of narcissism and flashes of delusion.  A case in point: many found the writing scene really romantic, I personally found it odd and slightly disturbing. It's just another little thing that makes me think it's more about him than it is about him and Su.

Just my 2 cents... whatever they're worth.

[Dundee]

15 hours ago, Gabi Bros said:

The drama is pre-produced. They needed to have edited all the episodes and approved by the Chinesse Government in order to be able to be broadcasted simultaneously there. They were running out of time and at last moment they got the approval, just a few days after the conflict between China and South Korea. Long Story...search about THAAD. It's related to politics. Because of THAAD, Chinesse government decided to take revenge with the entertainment industry. Suddenly they were banning korean stars to appear in chinesse productions, no matter if they were filming, also they were banning korean dramas to be broadcasted no matter the inversion. Well, seems that Moon Lovers had luck...maybe because all the episodes were already bought by chinesse at really high prices...so maybe Youku/Mango TV/and more (the ones that bought) cry a bit and the government let Moon Lovers pass. I don't know...but they gave them the OK at the end. So that version, is the original and the same that DramaFever, Youku, ONE TV (and others) have.

Moon Lovers is broadcasted in SBS for the people of South Korea. Some viewers were complaining that the OST were distracting and the story hard to understand. So SBS decided to re-release Directors Cuts a Saturday for the first 3 episodes (a marathon one Saturday) in which they added a few deleted scenes from the first version or more extended ones for an easier understanding. In that version, are deleted the rap parts of some ost...also the ost were made shorter and they added more instrumentals. After that, SBS is broadcasting another version without telling the world.  In episode 4 and 5 they did not made major changes, only fix some songs for instrumentals. Episode 6 and 7 have ost fixed and new scenes were added...and in order to add scenes, they need to delete some of the first version.

The version that Moon Lovers has given to SBS is more my taste. Also, Moon Lovers don't have permission to give China the new version. That's why there are 2 versions lately. 

 

Thank you very much for the explanation, cleared my confusion earlier with many versions of this drama. 

I watched the latest ep in both version,i think i prefer the SBS version more.

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I feel sorry for WS in a way, I mean he has the scar to remind him but he is made to feel lowly by all around him, to some extent i think he has toughened himself up enough to protect himself.  But at the end of that last episode she nievely tries to bond him back with his family, she wants the best but I feel she doesnt understand and thats what i think hurts him the most.  

To him it must look like she too is an outsider like he is in many ways. But the look in her eyes at the scar and what went down makes him feel even worse than anything his family could do to him.  I think it takes alot for him to care about anyone but to think all she is doing is looking at him with pity just makes him resent her i expect.

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23 hours ago, Diana Blanche said:

@bebebisous33  Amaze me with your sharp observation. I never thought that Wang So sees himself in her eye. I couldn't explain to myself his assertion about hating the look in her eyes. Thank you for made me understand.

 

Thanks a lot... I was afraid that people wouldn't understand. 

I don't know why but this drama makes me think a lot about Sartre, a French philosopher and writer. First, one of his famous quotes is: Hell is other people!

Sartre was implying that it is difficult to be among people, when external perception and self-perception are totally different. People tend to judge someone's actions totally differently the person is judging his own actions. This explains why for example Wang So likes being alone because he is avoiding to be confronted too often how people perceive and judge him.  

@40somethingahjumma I agree with you about Wang Wook. I can't help myself comparing him to a playboy or libertine as he is not really looking  into any solutions. He says to Hae Soo, she has to wait, but he has no plan (or he doesn't tell her any plan) how he is going to changer her situation. I mean, I would have been mad at him, when the marriage proposal came because he had promised her, she would never been treated like a nobody. But it did happen.