[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[finebyme]

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• On 9/7/2016 at 6:08 PM, shiraru said:

  • Found the video of that IU eating gif~~~~~ also, the way Lee Junki tearing the chicken apart with his mouth just seems so manly, hehehee.... 
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  • MOD EDIT: PLEASE DO NOT QUOTE VIDEO.

 

 

 

Was this an out take??? It looks like it might have been an amusing scene to watch... 

[hiluna]

3 hours ago, jun-soo said:

hello fellow fans of moon lovers. I am a lurker of this forum, I keep coming back to this page to read your opinions, feedbacks, pov and not to forget the spoilers hahaha. I haven't made a comeback to soompi since Another Oh Hae Young and that was months ago lol. I must admit, I've fallen in love, deep deep deep love with this drama <3

Anyway, just want to ask whether the original version (the novel and C-drama) is based on true history? It amazed me that k-version is following very closely (as for now) to c-version without leaving out the Goryeo history.

P.S I never watch/read the c-version.

I would recommend that you don't bother knowing more about the C-version, you will enjoy this drama more that way.  The characters of the 4th princes are very different so I hope the ending will also be very different because there is more friendship and interaction between WS and HS right from the start than the two leads in C-version. I would say it follows the novel to some extent but that is about it.

[sarasona]

I find it funny when people analyze the 1000 year old era with modern ethics and equality....

There is no such thing as freedom to all. Especially to women.

But its great that drama determined to keep those things low and keep the romance high.

[Gitakawaii]

1 hour ago, YourHighness . said:

Rewatching Episode 7 and noticed that both our WW and WS were searching for HS in the group of court ladies during Eun's B'day feast. My two lovesick babies.

 

The song that was playing during that scene, was is sang by AKMU? 

[hiluna]

1 hour ago, KdramaSwimmer said:

thats perfectly said for WS as he is not good with words he does not like to be judged cause he knows he cant revert it back in words and his actions will have severe consequences. may be here HS will help him and tone down his ways to respond not always with actions but words too (we can see in hill top date he WS was caught off guard and put another question when HS tried to confront abt his Temple carnage)

 

I don't agree with you that WS is not good with words, he is very good at responding to Yo's attacks when it comes to defending the weaker members of his family. I think he is just smart and chooses to speak onlywhen neccessary.

[irilight]

Another poll asking us which we like better Moon Lovers or Moonlight Drawn by Clouds.

I truly do not like these polls. Why pitch them one against the other?

I can understand when DramaFever puts up the poll with Moon Lovers, because they are the content provider, so they want to know which drama their viewers are more excited about, (was it a good investment on their part... should they bring more drama with these leads, etc...), and also which drama to promote.

But anyway, here is the latest poll, asking viewers to choose between Moon Lovers and Moonlight.

 

https://kpople.com/love-in-the-moonlight-vs-moon-lovers/

 

40 minutes ago, hiluna said:

I would recommend that you don't bother knowing more about the C-version, you will enjoy this drama more that way.  The characters of the 4th princes are very different so I hope the ending will also be very different because there is more friendship and interaction between WS and HS right from the start than the two leads in C-version. I would say it follows the novel to some extent but that is about it.

@hiluna, I agree with you.
The one thing I liked in the Chinese version better, is that the Emperor had more screen time. He was an integral part of the story (while he was alive). I feel Jo Min-Gi is such a wonderful and powerful actor, I wish they gave him more screen time.

 

 

 

 

[KdramaAddict]

@bingewatcherinsomniac @bebebisous33 your inputs about WSs dark personality is well put. He was a person who saved himself all by himself till now and in that course he even had to sacrifice the things dearest to him (his frend tree). And that statement of his can be  significant in speculating his future action where he will have to sacrifice either of his beloved HS or throne in order to survive with the other. And i dont want to even think if it turns out to be HS how obsessive possessive lover WS will cope up.

@LyraYoo thank you so much for flicking forhead side by side comparison.. this is one of the cutest scene in SHR and same in BBJX. also about LJK and how he updat his IG with that statement shows how much he was effected SK reaction to this show... but we are here and happy that he chose it.

9 hours ago, MadraRua said:

I love this scene. They are all smitten by her performance but Wang So is ENTHRALLED by her. I think he stopped listening to the lyrics at one point just to take her in. The penny has finally dropped for him. He's in love. 

I loved that scene.... as if he was teleported to another wrld having only on HS in front of him all rest still and silent... he and his heart lost in her beauty

8 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

What Yeon Hwa wants is to become The Queen and not just Queen.

exactly thats what she wants to be. And she knows WS is the only prince who has all the qualities to be a king (minus scar). besides this he is ruthless and if she can tame him (with what if condition) he can be the merciless king of this Goryeo and turning her to be The Queen. And she thinks she can manipulate him enough that even the scar cant stop WS from becoming the king.

She does want to change him but not his aggressive - merciless- ruthless side cause thats will only help her in attaining the power for her. She wants to tame a wolf who can hunt - kill as per her wish and command,and  thats exactly what she expects from WS after having him in her life. in the name of love. And yes an owner does love its pet but not as a human being at same level.

8 hours ago, solelylurking said:

I don't think she will consider So if she want to marries to power. So is scarred. His chance to become king is slimmer than Wook. That's why she back up Wook so much to become king. I don't know why she doesn't want to marry Yo. If it is power she seeks, she should marry Yo. That's the closest fastest way to get it. 

About Wook.. That's why I said So should develop his feeling a lot faster and take away the girl. Wook's character would not see any big development until that day comes. Wook's feeling for Soo is a mountain, the main purpose for him to smile and breath. He taught her feeling is the same too. I think Wook will think So take away Soo without her consent. That's why he will become beserk. 

It will interesting to watch his character change and shift. 

Agree that WS has the slimer chances but thats whee YH hopes her political knowledge and tricks can turn the tables and manipulated WS will fight against all to get the throne.  

Wooks feeling...the lesser i say the better it would be. lets WS take the front seat and control of his and HSs relationship and then we will see how Wook's gonna react. Will he fight the odds or just think to forget

.Finally i managed to get one more kdrama lover join te ship of SHR and what i did was just sent this pic t her on whatsapp and she decided to join the fun..

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[bebebisous33]

19 hours ago, bingewatcherinsomniac said:

@bebebisous33 @40somethingahjumma I always appreciate all of your insights in this forum! It's so lovely to be able to read such details, insightful, and different kind of interpretation of many scenes on this drama  one of the perks watching currently aired drama is we able to share and discuss our thoughts to fellow drama watchers and expressing what we likes, disappointment, predictions,and hopes towards the show. It's really nice to have this sense of togetherness in this emotional roller coaster journey of a drama. Thank you so much  

I agree with you about wook. As gentleman and sweet person he is, sometimes his rather safe-passive way  is really gets on my nerves. His ways of solving problems at times can feel rather ineffective and impractical. And all the sweet talks and empty promises didn't help either. Especially when we witness many times he feels helpless when his very nature get clashed with a strong willed, authoritative and aggressive character like yeonhwa, Hae clan, evil queen and the king. One of the reasons that he might not be fit to be a good leader, however wise and able he is.

About him realizing his feeling too late to his deceased wife, is something really pitiful. Remember this is the guy that through out his life need to put perfect facade just to earns his place as a prince. Getting used to covering tiniest emotions everyday without a chance to break, it is expected that he genuinely have no idea about what he really feels anymore. No wonder we start questioning the level of sincerity of his feeling towards haesoo. Is it love or just embodiment of his frustration to have someone that expected nothing to him and appreciate him as he is.

Even so, blaming all to him about haesoo marriage fiasco is a bit far-fetch for me. Yes his deceased wife have asked him and his mother to take Soo as his bride. And I believe he did take this request to heart. But as his nature being careful,considerate, and responsible guy he need to find a perfect timing and prepares everything so no one will questioned and contest his choice. It's considered inappropriate to talk about wedding right after his wife funeral and both do need time to heal from guilt and mourn their lost. But not long after the mourning period is over the head of Hae clan comes with a sudden marriage proposal. LOL his luck  And what can he do at this point? Technically it's Hae family matters and he cannot overstep and meddling their internal household affair even though he's a prince. And he cannot use his status to convince the Hae clan to choose him instead when his rival is the king himself. Neither him or his mother can do the impossible. He is practically doomed from the start.

First, thanks for the compliment and like you, since I like reading other opinions.

Back to your comment: I agree with you. He couldn't ask Hae Soo to marry him right after her death. So, no he can't be blamed for the marriage fiasco. However, I was surprised that he never asked for the groom's identity. Why didn't he ask for it? Only through Wang Eun and Wang Jung, he heard that the future husband would be 60 years old and have many children. That's why he decided to take Hae Soo away.

To me, he missed the timing... he should have done it much earlier, when lady Hae was still alive. I know, it sounds weird, but back then, having two wives was common and if she had asked for it, then this meant that she was okay with that.

Then I noticed something: Wang Wook is the one who is the one initiating physical contact with her (except in the episode 3). In the episode 7, he touched her shoulder, he took her wrist in order to put the bracelet, he kissed her head and he hugged her. In the episode 6, he took her hands many times. In the episode 4, he touched her shoulder and he was about to kiss her. So he is always trying to be as close as possible to her. But because he was married, Hae Soo moved her shoulder, when he touched her. She  tried to avoid any physical contact with him, as long as lady Hae was alive. After her death, she is still very passive towards him. She allows him to touch her, but she is not seeking him to have some physical contact. 

On the other hand, the opposite happens with Wang So. I have noticed that she is the one initiating the contact from the episode 4 on. Since from the start, he touched her many times (saving her from falling, then pushing her down, touched her wrist in order to stop her from slapping, he took her face in his hand, when he was mad at her aso) and he was not very gentle, I believe, she got used to have physical contact with him. Therefore from the moment she stopped him from destroying the stone piles, she started touching him more often. She took his hand and touched his arms. In the latest episode, she even took his hand again in order to stop him from leaving. She never tried to pull a wall between herself and him, and that's another difference between Wang Wook and Wang So.

Like I mentioned it above, her problem was that back then Wang Wook was a married man and since she had just arrived from the 21st century, she was not used to polygamy. In my opinion, she will accept this custom, as time passes on and she will accept that Wang So makes Yeon hwa the Queen because she will have more knowledge about the implications and the political stuff. Right now, she is still that innocent and trusting woman. 

@evie7 @littleloony

[KdramaAddict]

10 minutes ago, hiluna said:

I don't agree with you that WS is not good with words, he is very good at responding to Yo's attacks when it comes to defending the weaker members of his family. I think he is just smart and chooses to speak onlywhen neccessary.

what I said was he is not good with words when he is being confronted for his own actions. all the scenes where he could speak up was when he was defending a weaker by attacking opposite stronger one, where his actions are not questioned. And he does not have to justify - clarify his own actions

(or may be there are is  more to his verbal side that i dint notice.. then ill have to rewatch episode...)

[bebebisous33]

@hiluna I agree with you that Wang So can speak very well for himself and for others. The way he talked to his father in order to stop the wedding is another proof that he is good with words. On the other hand, I understand why @KdramaSwimmer was saying that he is not good with words. In my opinion, Wang So is not able to express his feelings therefore he is struggling in that matter: "if you do it again, I'll never forgive you". IT sounds like a thread, but he is actually worrying about her. So his words don't match with his feelings. He could never show his true feelings to others, he always had to hide these, that's why when he is talking to Hae Soo, he always appears rude and more coldhearted. Notice how he took Hae Soo's wrist in the episode 7. First, he was really rude, but he noticed that he was hurting her and he stopped to put some pressure on her wrist. You could sense that he was trying to be more gentle.

[KdramaAddict]

@skxz your detailed analysis about YH has so much information that I could never observed before and thanks for bringing it to our notice.

To Add..we know she is villain (and in drama there has to be a villain to make hero prove him mighty) besides this she is also one strong character who cant be ignored. she has so much up her sleeves n her brain that she can do anything at any moment and that can make the game in her favor, and no one can predict what she is thinking let alone prepare a counter attack. She is going to play a important role in this WS-HS-Throne triangle .

And please do an analysis on WW, WS and HS too...gonna love to know more about them.

@qwenli to add in the list my positives are Action scenes amazingly done by LJK, and as much as I admire his skills I must say the team working behind to train him for those scene is doing remarkable job.

 

[KdramaAddict]

1 hour ago, solelylurking said:

Next week, I hope Wook able to catch up with Soo and So. I hope So sees the jade bracelet. I hope Wook claim Soo as his so So's jealousy can begin. I hope despite all that So wouldn't care less like he always did and still persue Soo.

This is what the drama lack of: the confrontation between the first and second lead male. 

Hoping the same..So seeing the bracelet and as we know Wook is following HS. He will again interrupt the moment (as he did in past when WS almost choked HS after assassin killing) but this time I doubt WS will leave her to be. He will do something authoritative to bother wook.

So can we imagine and share it here what can be the nex scene after WS holding HS by injured wrist and WW following HS. Can we say Wook will shout at WS and force him to leave HS ? Will WS leave HS or he will do something ??? so much to think and my brain has stopped...

me better go to sleep...its 1 am here...annyong chingus...

 

 

[iridescentmoth]

One of my favourite artistic images this episode was Hae Soo looking at the moon whilst contemplating her feelings for Wook. The allegorical title of the drama indicates Hae Soo and Wang So, he is the moon to Wook's sun in Hae Soo's horizon. They both dominate and occupy her thoughts, just like they love her but in different ways. The moon and sun both emit light but it is a distinct light. 

Mostly importantly, I think in this interpretation is the Moon has phases. Hae Soo's feelings also fluctuate and So also grows in her affections. At the point in the drama, their relationship is precariously balanced between budding friendship and turbulent emotions. When the moon is at its most luminous and when positioned just right, does it not eclipse even the sun?

Hae Soo's love and regard for So will eclipse and diminish her feelings for Wook .  

Edited September 15, 2016 by iridescentmoth

[littleloony]

6 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

 

As conclusion, he can't stand her gaze for three reasons:

- he hates to see himself in her as he hates himself

- for the first time, his external perception is really important because Hae Soo has such influence in his life

- Wang So realises, how Hae Soo perceives him: someone who needs comfort and empathy, but she doesn't love him back.

This is painful for him. I hope, this was understandable to read. All this leads me to come to the conclusion that

- he needs to accept himself and overcome his inferiority complex

- he needs to change Hae Soo's view about him, so that he will change his behaviour towards her. She needs to see him as a man and as a man in love with her. Since Wang So is more a man of action, we can expect why he will become more physical with her.

You can tell me what you think about it! Your opinion and feedback are welcome.

@Yongzura @littleloonydid you read this comment?

Thanks @bebebisous33 for the heads up I just quoted a part of your post for the sake of brevity. Its really interesting you pointed out how WS has the advantage of self perception and perception by the other, both at the same time when he locks eyes with HS. I hadnt thought of it like that but its quite possible you are right. He has always known how others percieve him, but he may have never really thought about how he looks at himself. He may be having the sudden realisation as he looks into HS's gaze that his own perception of himself is very low and that cannot be a welcome thought to have. In addition he must be burdened by another realisation that he doesnt want HS to look at him and feel that he is a charity case and pity him......the point I highlighted in ur post. He may yet not be consciously aware that what he feels for HS is love, but even so he cannot want to appear pitiful in front of the woman who is undoubtedly special to him, for I think he has never pitied HS and her various predicaments.......he has always been awed, admiring and amazed by her. There can be no greater hurt/ discomfort than knowing your beloved doesnt love you back but definitely pities you.

The thing is I am dying to know if our speculations about that scene are true......so I hope that in the next epi they make it clear what he meant, either by elaborating his dialogue or HS asking him or some other means because that will surely be a most direct insight into how he feels- about HS, about himself and that state of his awareness.

[Gabi Bros]

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[gihwayujo]

hello

i've been lurking here for a few weeks now, decided to make an account to add to the discussion!

i'm not sure if anyone brought this up yet, also not sure if anyone noticed the hanja names and the potential symbolism as well as some fan theories with how the series will end, so here's my take on it....

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wook (旭) and so (昭) both have the sun (日) radical in their name...and they're probably both going to be strong contenders for the throne. just like the moon embracing the sun series, the female lead is the moon and the emperor is the sun. it's a very east asian sort of concept. yin and yang. the sun and the moon. i know this is just a coincidence, these princes did exist historically, the writers did not choose the names. but i am enjoying the way the writers characterised them and chose to pit 8 vs 4. also, wook means "rising/morning sun" and so means "shining light / bright light" i'm using some chinese knowledge here -- so (昭) means light but it also has the implication that the light is from the sun... i can't be too far off since goryeo used chinese characters anyway. (just bear in mind that modern hanja words have slightly different meaning from their chinese counterparts, some meanings shift over time after all)

however! i also noticed that soo / so have pretty interesting names: soo (수) so (소) the names are really close and really it's just using an inverted version of one of the vowels. so we have the whole concept of the sun-moon yin-yang again? and hae soo is definitely a name the writers chose

the astronomer jimong (知梦) the hanja of his name literally means "knower of dreams" know/understand/see it's all the same hehe.

my tinfoil fan theory is that he does willingly travel between times but he's not in control of where he can consciously be and he can only inhibit the bodies of people he used to be in past lives. he might only be able to travel during solar eclipses which tends to happen less than lunar eclipses. when he met this kind hearted girl who was complaining about how her life was a total mess he thought he'd take her back with him to the past. it makes sense that he might enjoy being in the past more and is therefore in reality a homeless man. but he brings back knowledge of the future and therefore makes a living as an 'astronomer' when really he's just using a mix of historical knowledge (thus he's able to 'see the future' or predict what happens to people) as well as a modern understanding of tools (like the scene where he was making some kind of telescopic device and had some kind of da vinci aircraft model hanging from the ceiling).

my other tinfoil fan theory is that go ha jin IS hae soo. she was just hae soo in a previous life. and somehow jimong coudl see that. there has been some mention about reincarnation in the series, the latest one from episode 7 when the general tells so that mindless killing will haunt you even in your next lifetime (something like that, i can't remember the exact line he used, sorry!!!) also jimong talks about just "accepting your fate" a lot too.

i never watched the c-drama but i found a really long summary somewhere and read the whole thing hahaha. it was a tragic story. given the amount of cute pop songs they include in the soundtrack for scarlet heart ryeo i really don't think this was meant to be a super tragic series. it's going to have tragedies but the ending will most likely still be sweet or bittersweet at least. since ruoxi dies in the original series i have a feeling hae soo will die, maybe wang so as well. she will wake up in the future from a coma just like in the chinese series and despite all the events, history will remain unchanged. she will likely go to a museum with a goryeo exhibit and she will see all the artifacts that she was very familiar with, she will also notice a painting that has her in it but there will be no mention hae soo, just like how there is no mention of ruoxi. that's when she looks up and meets a guy who is wang so's reincarnation and maybe get to talk with him. it's that whole of reincarnation, the red string of fate, having karma with a lover from a past life. they were not able to be together in their previous life despite all the serendipity that put them together (there are too many instances of wang so turning up just at the right time. catching her that first time while he was riding on horseback through the market? and that time the dude was casually napping under the first flowers she was trying to water? coincidence much?) it's likely they might strike up a conversation and walk out of the museum and homeless jimong will give her a wink maybe???

perhaps in the end she really was just in a coma or near death and her consciousness managed to see events of the past from a previous life. and jimong is just a character in her vision/dream because he was the last person she talked to before she passed out. or perhaps jimong really did take her to the past to relive everything to show her that there was more to her life than she thought. whatever it is, she is still who she is. she is still hae soo in a previous life and go ha jin in her present life. this kinda also reminds me of another east asian theme that film/drama likes to explore...there is a story by zhuangzi about a man who dreamt about a butterfly and questioned if he was dreaming that he was a butterfly or if the butterfly is dreaming that he were a man (https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zhuangzi) kinda like the way our female lead isn't sure if she is go ha jin or hae soo.

hope you enjoyed the read

 

Edited September 15, 2016 by gihwayujo

[40somethingahjumma]

5 hours ago, solelylurking said:

 

This is what the drama lack of: the confrontation between the first and second lead male. 

Bring it on, I say! 

But to be fair, there's been no real need for it yet. Now of course that they're both in love with the same girl, everything will change.  I am raring for it to happen. I am especially looking forward to So throwing Uk's words back at him... "Nothing here belongs to you." because quite honestly, Uk is in an even less powerful position than what he was when he threw those words at So. 

I just love it when male bravado gets cut down and shredded into pieces.

__________________________

I know I've been critical of Uk in the last few posts that I've made here partly because I think there needs to be some kind of balance in how we perceive these characters. He's not perfect and there's nothing wrong with that in the larger context of the show but I think there needs to be some kind of corrective to the common interweb perception that he can do no wrong just because he appears to be the epitome of the romantic hero. There are flaws to his character just as there are flaws to So. The reality is that So is so obviously dark with tendencies towards primal savagery that it's easy to overlook the inconsistencies in Uk's character because he seems to be his polar opposite. Obviously they are very different and have been raised very differently with varying results. Despite being sons of a king, they are as much prisoners of the system as anyone else. The conventional belief is that the king holds ultimate power so that's the pinnacle of achievement for a son of a king to aspire to. Once the king goes, there will be a power vacuum and because he has done such a terrible job of being a father and a husband, the throne of Goryeo will be fair game for the most determined. The irony in all these political marriages is while alliances can be made with powerful clans to keep the peace, the reality is that it becomes the mechanism through which these clans try to gain a foothold on the throne potentially making governance virtually impossible. 

The drama also demonstrates, I believe, that 21st century notions of love and romance sit uneasily in said system. It's highly intrusive and brings with it destabilizing notions such as "freedom" and "independence" which have their foundations in the belief in the equality of all human beings to choose who they'd like to be and who they want to be with. However, when there's no ability to do so, power grabs become the order of the day... so the most powerful guy gets to do what he wants... which is not entirely the case as we've seen.

I also disagree quite strongly that we shouldn't compare the two male leads. In fact I believe that the show leads us to do so as the juxtaposition is written into the script and very clearly shown in all their interactions with Su.

I also tend to take the position (an occupational hazard) that it's not very interesting if we all agree on everything all of the time. I appreciate the diversity of views presented here and often I find that even views I don't agree with can stimulate me to think more clearly about the positions I hold. What we all have in common is that we love this drama and celebrate it on this thread.

For me it's become a rather unhealthy obsession...  

[KdramaAddict]

@gihwayujo glad you brought up the literal meaning of hanja characters. So not sure if you can help but still puting the question-

As we saw hanja chacracter of Wook means Morning Sun . What do hanja character So and Soo means ? 

[bebebisous33]

@40somethingahjumma Amen to your last post!!  I feel the same way like you... I wanted to point out Wang Wook's flaws because on the surface, he seems to be the perfect husband and it is well known that people with a smile leaves a better impression than people who looks more grumpy.  Wang Wook was also introduced as the best man by Chae Ryun therefore Hae soo and others are misled. On the other hand, this doesn't mean that Wang So is without flaws too. He is much more active than Wang Wook, but his actions are sometimes ruthless and violent. He is definitely more hot-tempered and too emotional. 

Moon Lovers has now become my favourite drama, I am looking forward for the fight among the princes. I loved the fight scenes in the earlier episodes...

[gihwayujo]

1 minute ago, KdramaSwimmer said:

@gihwayujo glad you brought up the literal meaning of hanja characters. So not sure if you can help but still puting the question-

As we saw hanja chacracter of Wook means Morning Sun . What do hanja character So and Soo means ? 

oh i forgot to add the meanings! i will go edit my post now hahaha

i haven't seen soo's hanja yet so i can't tell. but so's hanja means shining light. wook literally means rising/morning sun, yes.