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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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56 minutes ago, shihuangdi said:

@cherubstomato when I was watching Ruyi/Yanxi, I was discussing with my friends how life inside the palace is really bad. But life as a maid/slave would even be worse. We came to a conclusion at that time, that if we became daughter of the Lords then maybe it wouldn't be as bad, since we would be powerful enough not be bullied but not significant enough to be killed by those who want power. And then we watch Minglan ... and life as daughters of the Lords are just equally as bad :joy:

 Honestly, if all these woman stop schemin/killing each other and agree to not fight over the masters attention, it’d be a great life. Lol

 

39 minutes ago, aoife86 said:

 

I actually think Dr. He is the better option regarding peaceful and happier marriage life. Dr. He already decide not to take his cousin as concubine and his grandma and mother like ML. He’s not that wealthy but not poor either, no need to be afraid about food and etc, no palace drama, no one will want to kill them. He’s unlikely to take concubine too because again he’s not that wealthy and isn’t an official, and based on what I saw, he’s not a womanizer.

Yass, I liked Dr He too... That man is more concern and excited when he finds rare herbs. It’s quite cute. He is very down to earth... 

His cousin was indeed quite pitiful though it’s just too bad her family are greedy. But that’s probably an easier problem to handle like when ML asked cousins mom what position should they be in/addressed as so there is no confusions in the future, comparing to the problem ML has now in the Gu household. Dr He was a little combination of QH and GTY. 

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9 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

Didn't he cave and take his cousin in after she played the suicide card? He then sent her to their country home to look after his mother.

 

Of the three, QH, Dr He and GTY, there is only one ruthless enough to protect her from bullying relatives wanting to stuff in concubines. 

I think that was after the granny told him the truth that cousin couldn’t give birth anymore and ML also agreed too. Dr He although he doesn’t have a backbone unless you push him, he has a good heart... 

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13 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

Didn't he cave and take his cousin in after she played the suicide card? He then sent her to their country home to look after his mother.

 

Of the three, QH, Dr He and GTY, there is only one ruthless enough to protect her from bullying relatives wanting to stuff in concubines. 

He did indeed.  He kind of was forced to.  He looked at ML's wedding procession from afar and told his cousin that he will be off for a few years on a medicine tip and she is to go mind his mum.  I can't understand all these women wanting to kill themselves when they didn't get their way.  You can see Minglan being irritated with all those melodramas (she being a woman, understood that this is only a ploy). At least Minglan found out that there was this cousin before she committed to Dr He.  HIs aunt is as conniving and manipulative as Madame Kang.  :triumph: 

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8 minutes ago, cherubstomato said:

I think that was after the granny told him the truth that cousin couldn’t give birth anymore and ML also agreed too. Dr He although he doesn’t have a backbone unless you push him, he has a good heart... 

Wayyyyyyyyy too nice though.  Imagine this scenario He could come back and say "oh by the way, I met this woman and she has such a pitiful life, so I decided to take her in...."  In his defense, he did truly wanted to marry Minglan.  Him making all those delicious soup for her when she fell ill was just so sweet.  Anyway, water under the bridge now eh since his plan was spoilt by his aunt.  If I were him, I too would go on a jaunt for a few years. :joy:

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BTW in one of the trailer for future episodes, seems like QH is going to land himself in a hot soup with the emperor when he insisted why the ED wasn't there.  The emperor left the court hall and you could see QH gulping nervously.  I hope he will not fall for the ED ploy and be her puppet but I fear that his family ties will kind of make him do her bidding.  

 

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GTY is lucky to have ML as wife as she is more cautious.  Example, when Manniang resurfaced and tried to strangle Rong'Er, he got mad and would have killed Manniang in rage but ML interfered knowing that evil stepmom would be watching them 24/7.  She calmed him down and got him to see reasons and planned what they should be doing next. Always thinking ahead so whatever happens will not impact him and his place at court.  Like the ED, the emperor has a BUY-1-FREE-1 with the Gu family.   Stepmom was curious why there was no hooha as she knows well GTY's temperament and her maid told her that ML interfered.  Then when the grand aunt of GTY came to give him a concubine, ML accepted and thwarted stepmom's plan to get close to grand aunt as she was anticipating ML to refuse like she did in the past. I am pleased to see that they are such a matching couple.  

 

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I am anticipating the poisoning of grandma next.  I want to see angry ML.  "I want justice" like in the trailer :D      

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28 minutes ago, frenchfan said:

Wayyyyyyyyy too nice though.  Imagine this scenario He could come back and say "oh by the way, I met this woman and she has such a pitiful life, so I decided to take her in...."  In his defense, he did truly wanted to marry Minglan.  Him making all those delicious soup for her when she fell ill was just so sweet.  Anyway, water under the bridge now eh since his plan was spoilt by his aunt.  If I were him, I too would go on a jaunt for a few years. :joy:

Where, who, LOL all he does is climb mountains find herbs.... I don’t think he will do charity work on woman bring them home. He is a gentleman but he is not a ladies man. And he listens to ML. But I also think ML wasn’t that interested in him. Maybe it was just me. :sweatingbullets: Ok if I time travel in the era I’ll be Dr He main wife... I can handle the cousin and her richard simmons mom. Everyday we go hiking for herbs... :mrgreen:

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If they were playing on equal ground for ML, I would concur that Dr.He would possibly be the most peaceful. The couz is indeed a problem, but the granny in the house dotes on her. If Dr.He is on her side, ML stood a chance for a relatively peaceful life. 

But ML never really liked him or care for him..

 

QH, I don't know...ML is simply not one to look back. I do believe that at one point, ML felt good about him, infatuation with ideals or truly something more, I'm not sure. But no matter how beautiful something is, once smashed, it's hard to put it back to its original state. There will always be cracks and lines, unpleasant memories...

And his mom isn't exactly someone easy to deal with. With QH's being such a filial son, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place, and that puts ML in a very difficult position too. 

 

GTY has enemies left, right, center, front, back, top and bottom. 

But he does love her, and fiercely protective..

More importantly, he allowed her to be her...

 

For her own happiness, I'd still say GTY is her best fit. 

Because he can make her laugh again when she's down, 

Because he will protect and stand up for her, but more importantly, 

Because it seems like he's the only one she can be herself...without the facade, without the mask, without the pretense. 

 

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1 minute ago, cherubstomato said:

Where, who, LOL all he does is climb mountains find herbs.... I don’t think he will do charity work on woman bring them home. He is a gentleman but he is not a ladies man. And he listens to ML. But I also think ML wasn’t that interested in him. Maybe it was just me. :sweatingbullets:

LOL, I did not say he is a ladies man but he was very kind hearted like his mom (which was why grandma was pissed off).  Before Minglan interfered he was going to "find solutions" so his cousin could stay with them.  I was just giving a hypothesis that it could happen.  Not because he was a playboy but rather because he is the kind that will buy sob stories and will be puny in hands of women like Manniang, Linniang and Molan for example.  True, I laughed when I saw that he got so excited when he found a rare roots (herbs..?) and excitedly showed Minglan and she was so patient and did not laughed at him.  

 

I agree that ML was not that interested in him however even she could see that he is a nice guy and was prepared to listen to her grandma and marry him.  

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3 hours ago, m0us3y said:
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Indeed...but in an era where there are more people dying from famine, struggling to stay warm, struggling to have enough food to feed the family, or just threading on thin ice to ensure they don't anger their master and lose their lives for no reason or fault of theirs, getting into loveless political marriage and forced to take over the family household is a luxurious problem to have. 

I guess it's fair to say everyone is fighting their own battle, where the aristocrat is also fighting each other to stay in power or not lose favour of imperial family/ powerful officials. 

 

Just that if we look at it holistically, they are by far, much more privileged. 

And if they are men, born into a noble family, by a legitimate/main wife, it's really a jackpot.

Even right now there are similar places somewhere around the world. 

 

Jackpot or not, it depends. For example, rich countries have higher suicide rate than third world countries. A large proportion of the elites have mental problems, depression from light to clinical. It depends on each individual's perspective and expectation of life. Having it easier doesn't equal satisfaction, the pressure is high. Not every heart and mind is equally strong. But of course it's an era when happiness is a luxurious gift.

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4 hours ago, Katrina Abdul Talib said:

Again my POV aft watching up to eps 54.. if GTY's proposal was on equal grounds with QT (did not involve palace) and dowries still not sent, I think marrying QH should be the better option. 

 

That QH and ML without doubt and known to many are in love, being mamas boy and tht mama now have consented, their live could be less problematic, less stressful hence more peaceful and happier??... prolly even having lots of children (QH had twins right?)

 

We can feel how sincere and open both were when they had that conversation on the bridge.

 

54 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

If they were playing on equal ground for ML, I would concur that Dr.He would possibly be the most peaceful. The couz is indeed a problem, but the granny in the house dotes on her. If Dr.He is on her side, ML stood a chance for a relatively peaceful life. 

But ML never really liked him or care for him..

In my opinion ML wouldn’t really be happier with QH. Based on QH’s parents conversation, his mom would always have a prejudice against her for being Shu born and worse, mom’s will usually find issues with daughter-in-laws that have too much of their husband’s attention in those days. She may have consented but that doesn’t necessarily bode well for the future if they ever gain footing again in politics. 

        Also, if the suitors were on equal footing and played “fair”, there would not have been the trick to get rid of Doc He, so QH still never had a chance. ML would have married Doc He. She does not look backwards and Grandma already wrote QH off because of before. If no tricks were played, Doc He’s cousin was a nonissue. The cousin only came into picture because of GTY. Remember that the cousin was only released from her situation (someone else’s woman) and they were allowed to enter the capital because of GTY. As Grandma said, normally, exiled people are still not allowed into the capital and must return to their hometown.  

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Eh Dr. He cave and take his cousin as concubine? I thought he said to Sheng Grandma his mother take the cousin as adopted daughter, hence he told the cousin to take care of his mother.

but even though he accept the cousin as concubine, i still think he’s the best candidate. His situation is just less complicated compare to GTY and QH.

I’m sure that cousin and the mother is piece of cake for ML to handle compare to GTY’s stepmother.

I blame GTY for that cousin problem. He’s the one that save the woman from exile.

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26 minutes ago, aoife86 said:

Eh Dr. He cave and take his cousin as concubine? I thought he said to Sheng Grandma his mother take the cousin as adopted daughter, hence he told the cousin to take care of his mother.

but even though he accept the cousin as concubine, i still think he’s the best candidate. His situation is just less complicated compare to GTY and QH.

I’m sure that cousin and the mother is piece of cake for ML to handle compare to GTY’s stepmother.

Yes, Doc He already took care of the cousin situation. When Granny He said he would not being able to marry ML after the cousin scene, he decided to go against his mother’s family (with backing from grandma) and possibly got himself a black eye? It was ML who changed her mind and said it was okay if the cousin became a concubine after realizing that she may have been silly for making an issue of it since concubines are a normal thing (sucks in those days). She was already set to marry Doc He after that. GTY even calculated this which was why the whole thing with boasting he was marrying a Sheng (no first name) daughter to the Emperor and Rulan plan was executed to ensure the Shengs themselves had no way out but ML. GTY could have been the one to release the Shengs from everything if ML really didn’t agree like in the proposal scene. 

           Based on all the issues, I would have to agree that Doc He would have been the safer bet, and based on his personality and his interactions with ML, she would have been his world outside of medicine.  But as everyone said, she would still hold in her true self.  It wouldn’t be as freeing as being married to GTY. Even though there’s lots of issues, you can see that ML thrives as his Da Niang and now as his Marchioness.

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I think with Dr He, ML can have a peaceful and quiet but boring life. Which is probably not a bad thing at that time, at least you don't have to worry about fighting etc. But the thing is, once there is a problem, I don't think Dr He is the kind who can defend ML fully like GTY. Just like in his cousin case, ML told GTY that he sort of let ML solve the issue instead of making the decision himself. Also I think with Dr He, ML will still have to pretend to be the weak, soft and kind girl everyone knows. Even if she needs to fight, she will resort to manipulation and let others be the bad guy, like the maid case in the Sheng household. I think only with GTY she can truly be herself, because GTY knows her real self and accepts her knowing that.

 

Also the think with QH. Even without GTY, there is no way QH is allowed to marry ML. Grandma already didn't like the idea of ML marrying the house of the Duke because she knows what kind of household it is. I don't think ML would accept QH even without GTY. 

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Don't u guys think if ML can handle Gu's big bad wolves she can also handle QH's mother?, she's good at judging characters and know in what way to maneuver whoever it may be..so yea, i believe if she were with QH, she can take care of herself  too bcos it's basically what she's been doing anyways in the Gu's mansion or with all those spiteful ladies who were prejudiced of her before.

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17 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

:heart::heart::heart: I can't wait.  I really want her to be pregnant and join the pregnant ladies club like Madame Zhang and Rolan.  Have babies so grandma can finally spoil her great-grandbabies.  @leeza77 Thank you for giving us a glimpse of the episode.  I am like so craving for Minglan episodes right now.  

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20 minutes ago, jewelsc said:

Don't u guys think if ML can handle Gu's big bad wolves she can also handle QH's mother?, she's good at judging characters and know in what way to maneuver whoever it may be..so yea, i believe if she were with QH, she can take care of herself  too bcos it's basically what she's been doing anyways in the Gu's mansion or with all those spiteful ladies who were prejudiced of her before.

I have no doubt that she could handle herself. I was just pointing out that she would still face possible issues even though QH’s mom consented since some were saying that the mom wouldn’t cause anymore problems. Also, people are forgetting that based on how Grandma was, QH wouldn’t have gotten a second chance whether GTY was in the picture or not. And after the first disaster, ML would not go against Grandma’s wishes again even if there were lingering feelings. She was really put in a tough spot because she went against Grandma’s wishes and put her hopes into QH that first time and suffered not just the outside humiliation but also the internal guilt of being unfilial. Grandma just loved her so much that she caved into let ML go through that fire once and never used it against her.

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17 minutes ago, jewelsc said:

Don't u guys think if ML can handle Gu's big bad wolves she can also handle QH's mother?, she's good at judging characters and know in what way to maneuver whoever it may be..so yea, i believe if she were with QH, she can take care of herself  too bcos it's basically what she's been doing anyways in the Gu's mansion or with all those spiteful ladies who were prejudiced of her before.

Well we have seen how fierce she can be so I am guessing that yes she sure can handle it. But will she be truly happy?  QH is after all a filial son so I have difficulty seeing him going against his family.  He may do it for love, but will he be happy with his choice once the novelty is over?  The next episodes will show more of his characters what with ED making her sob stories to get him on her side.  

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