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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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I feel for QH. But life is a matter of coincidences, moments, choices. So you have to play the cards you’re dealt.

gty and ml are flawed characters but they keep fighting with what they have. Ml’s revenge or gty’s plan are examples

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6 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

Thank you for honest confession that you have favour GTY:blush: so everything (even bad thing) that GTY do are ok.

 

lol, i can tell that you're pro-QH and therefore, not so much for GTY so thank YOU also for your honest confession that you like QH and that no matter what he does and more importantly, doesn't do, that he's being slighted. 

 

i did not excuse GTY, i said that i found him acting as a rascal and like ML, i was both offended and in a twisted way, somewhat impressed that he went to such means to ensure that everything went according to plan because his plan had multiple tiny steps that all had to align together to work. was GTY manipulative, yes. was GTY out of line when he purposely set up the split of Dr He and ML's relationship, yes. even the cast and the drama themselves have told us repeatedly that GTY is a bit of a scoundrel. he isn't wholly pure and he's not like QH who is a scholar and not as cunning. GTY is more street smart whereas QH is more book smart. GTY said himself that in order to get ML as his wife, he even resorted to war strategies. GTY himself has said he's manipulative and yet the reason he got ML and not QH is because GTY came clean about it. he straight up told ML, this is the type of man i am. i did all of this and you can expect that in the future, i will also do the same FOR you. ML herself is not the timid type, as i said. her and GTY are similar-minded. 

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8 minutes ago, watchumlots said:

QH & ML & QTY...

 

What a tangled web we weave!

 

QH found himself suddenly and fortuitously widowed.  WHO KNEW he could be so lucky after all the bad luck?

So NOW he could pursue the woman he truly wanted, and those pesky threatening 3rd tier royals were nowhere to be found as they are very D-E-A-D.

 

QTY was a rogue.  He was an outcast from is family due to hanging out with and keeping a bar singer, setting-up household with her, having children with her, and trying to get her accepted into his family/household.  Earlier, that very thing  that caused all kinds of uproar in his house when they tried to arrange a 'decent' marriage for him and the mistress took full advantage making scenes everywhere:  PLEASE?  Just let me be an accepted concubine.   Yeah, right.  Her scam was to take over and be accepted as an aristocrat.  

 

QH knew about QTY's relationship issues.  ML, if she marries QTY, has to deal with his runaway mistress and QTY's two kiddos.  So of course QH looks like a better choice.  Even though his mother is overbearing, he doesn't have the other mistress-related baggage and bad relations with his family baggage.  

 

QTY's new found legitimacy (saving the emperor) and the favoritism displayed by the emperor puts him in a whole new light and now makes him much more desirable as a marriage prospect.  Everyone seems inclined to forget that all that bar singer/mistress business. 

If you are talking about the viewers forgetting Manniang, I don’t think any of us have. But the way GTY’s character is sketched I have confidence that he will protect ML from her. I don’t have that same confidence in QH that he would have protected ML or would protect ML in the future if he married her. 

If you are talking about people in the show forgetting abt Manning then as far as anyone know she is long gone, he has a daughter & not a son, he is highly favored & is wealthy so everyone would obviously be after him...

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Old Man Sheng was so in-love with Concubine Lin, that is why she did whatever she wanted and he chose not to see it.  It was obvious that his marriage with the main wife was a family-arranged affair and his love was Concubine Lin.  

 

All the women, concubines and wives, vie for power within the household.  Concubine Lin was very cunning and persuasive in all of her insidious deeds.  That is what drove the MainWife crazy!  Even if Lin's excuse was flimsy, the Master fell for it.  MingLan's mother was hugely pregnant and living in an unheated room!  Sheng made lame efforts to solve the problem, but did not do anything that would cause problems for Concubine Lin.  

 

If there is a mess in the Sheng house, Master Sheng bears the most blame. 

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6 minutes ago, fra8 said:

I feel for QH. But life is a matter of coincidences, moments, choices. So you have to play the cards you’re dealt.

gty and ml are flawed characters but they keep fighting with what they have. Ml’s revenge or gty’s plan are examples

Exactly. When ML confessed to grandma about what she did she told her that when her father didn’t punish Molan & her mother after the cut Molan gave her she changed her plans. They both plan ahead

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57 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Maybe i just see it differently to others but in drama time its most likely been over a year , he can get angry i understand where hes coming from but it ends after they get married if he carry's it on you think that is fine? 

Thank you that you are understand why he get angry, if he keeps angry after they're married and become salty, I'll say he is wrong, he shouldn't do that, then I'll agree with the comments "if he really love ML, he should let her go". Like I said, I just want people to understand his feeling (why he get angry to GTY) but I'm  not supporting his action after that, if he's still holding a grudge toward GTY (I dont know yet, since I'm not up to that episode), he is wrong, specially if he can see, GTY truly love ML and he can give the best life for her, he should moved on and be happy for ML and GTY.

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37 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Maybe i just see it differently to others but in drama time its most likely been over a year , he can get angry i understand where hes coming from but it ends after they get married if he carry's it on you think that is fine? 

 

i agree with this!

 

i don't think QH stepped out of line when he went to have a talk with GTY. like everyone else has said, QH didn't know that GTY did this on purpose, only ML (and grandma) knew. QH was, in his own way, looking out for ML. of course, i expect that QH was hoping against hope that GTY would back down and that QH could still marry ML. QH was angry and he reacted according to that, he was probably also worried because his own mother told him that GTY had wanted to marry roulan and not ML but was a step too late. QH didn't know GTY actually likes ML. 

 

however, i agree with what you're saying about it being too little, too late. sitou asked GTY why he isn't concerned about QH going to the Sheng family to ask about ML's marriage (which GTY tells QH to do btw) and GTY said, "i was actually worried that ML would choose Dr He however, i knew that no matter what, ML would not choose QH again." 

 

i also want to do a quick translation of what xiaotao says (on behalf of grandma) to QH because grandma's words sum up what/how i feel about QH in regards to ML. xiaotao tells QH that he won't be seen tonight and when QH says he'll come back another night then, xiaotao says that there is no need. when QH asks why, she says:

 

xiaotao: grandma says the reason you're seeking an audience is in regards to marriage with ML. grandma says therefore you do not need to waste your time because what you did in the past, she has not forgotten. even though Sheng family is not a high-ranking, noble family and even thought ML is only a shu-daughter, she still has character/backbone. if it's not her place to go then she won't go. (as in, she won't try to aim higher than her status allows her) because if she does so, then she'll just be ridiculed/taken as a joke. the one who proposed marriage was you and the one who rejected the marriage was also you. even though the Sheng house door is small (meaning they aren't a rich family), they still want face (honor). 

 

then QH says he didn't mean to do all of that then (as in he didn't intend to hurt ML on purpose). 

 

xiaotao replies: not on purpose?! my lady (ML) refused you many times and you still do not relent. you knew that you couldn't get the marriage done (ie you knew that your mother would not agree to the marriage) so why did you still come to propose marriage? and now you say you had no choice? no matter where ML goes these days, people laugh and ridicule her for trying to aim for higher than she could attain. do you even know of this? 

 

what xiaotao says/or rather, what grandma says, is how i feel about the whole situation. what QH intended to do does not matter because as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. what happened as a result of what QH did, is the fact now. he shouldn't expect ML to wait for him when he was the one who gave her the doll back to say he couldn't keep his promise and she too returned her doll to him.  

 

ML, when asked by her other maid that maybe she should reconsider QH because it's not as if grandma has agreed to marriage with GTY yet, ML says to her, "one should never look backwards." ML is the type of person that once she mades a decision, she sticks to it. once she has decided on one thing, she will not waver. whether that is right or not, is up to her but she looks straight ahead and towards the future. 

 

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44 minutes ago, mayonnaisepan said:

 

lol, i can tell that you're pro-QH and therefore, not so much for GTY so thank YOU also for your honest confession that you like QH and that no matter what he does and more importantly, doesn't do, that he's being slighted. 

 

i did not excuse GTY, i said that i found him acting as a rascal and like ML, i was both offended and in a twisted way, somewhat impressed that he went to such means to ensure that everything went according to plan because his plan had multiple tiny steps that all had to align together to work. was GTY manipulative, yes. was GTY out of line when he purposely set up the split of Dr He and ML's relationship, yes. even the cast and the drama themselves have told us repeatedly that GTY is a bit of a scoundrel. he isn't wholly pure and he's not like QH who is a scholar and not as cunning. GTY is more street smart whereas QH is more book smart. GTY said himself that in order to get ML as his wife, he even resorted to war strategies. GTY himself has said he's manipulative and yet the reason he got ML and not QH is because GTY came clean about it. he straight up told ML, this is the type of man i am. i did all of this and you can expect that in the future, i will also do the same FOR you. ML herself is not the timid type, as i said. her and GTY are similar-minded. 

Hahaha.... I'm not in QH's camp, and I do like GTY (now, not the beginning when he is nothing but trouble), I just try to be neutral and follow the story and try to understand each character, I said in the (much) previous comment, people like GTY soooo much, so no matter how bad he is, he's still the hero, and people dislike QH, no matter how he did/do/will do (in his term, base on his personality), he end up zero, no effort, nothing good, etc, it's kinda unfair. I understand why GTY has to trick ML, because it suit his personalty.

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12 minutes ago, mayonnaisepan said:

 

i agree with this!

 

i don't think QH stepped out of line when he went to have a talk with GTY. like everyone else has said, QH didn't know that GTY did this on purpose, only ML (and grandma) knew. QH was, in his own way, looking out for ML. of course, i expect that QH was hoping against hope that GTY would back down and that QH could still marry ML. QH was angry and he reacted according to that, he was probably also worried because his own mother told him that GTY had wanted to marry roulan and not ML but was a step too late. QH didn't know GTY actually likes ML. 

 

however, i agree with what you're saying about it being too little, too late. sitou asked GTY why he isn't concerned about QH going to the Sheng family to ask about ML's marriage (which GTY tells QH to do btw) and GTY said, "i was actually worried that ML would choose Dr He however, i knew that no matter what, ML would not choose QH again." 

 

i also want to do a quick translation of what xiaotao says (on behalf of grandma) to QH because grandma's words sum up what/how i feel about QH in regards to ML. xiaotao tells QH that he won't be seen tonight and when QH says he'll come back another night then, xiaotao says that there is no need. when QH asks why, she says:

 

xiaotao: grandma says the reason you're seeking an audience is in regards to marriage with ML. grandma says therefore you do not need to waste your time because what you did in the past, she has not forgotten. even though Sheng family is not a high-ranking, noble family and even thought ML is only a shu-daughter, she still has character/backbone. if it's not her place to go then she won't go. (as in, she won't try to aim higher than her status allows her) because if she does so, then she'll just be ridiculed/taken as a joke. the one who proposed marriage was you and the one who rejected the marriage was also you. even though the Sheng house door is small (meaning they aren't a rich family), they still want face (honor). 

 

then QH says he didn't mean to do all of that then (as in he didn't intend to hurt ML on purpose). 

 

xiaotao replies: not on purpose?! my lady (ML) refused you many times and you still do not relent. you knew that you couldn't get the marriage done (ie you knew that your mother would not agree to the marriage) so why did you still come to propose marriage? and now you say you had no choice? no matter where ML goes these days, people laugh and ridicule her for trying to aim for higher than she could attain. do you even know of this? 

 

what xiaotao says/or rather, what grandma says, is how i feel about the whole situation. what QH intended to do does not matter because as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. what happened as a result of what QH did, is the fact now. he shouldn't expect ML to wait for him when he was the one who gave her the doll back to say he couldn't keep his promise and she too returned her doll to him.  

 

ML, when asked by her other maid that maybe she should reconsider QH because it's not as if grandma has agreed to marriage with GTY yet, ML says to her, "one should never look backwards." ML is the type of person that once she mades a decision, she sticks to it. once she has decided on one thing, she will not waver. whether that is right or not, is up to her but she looks straight ahead and towards the future. 

 

This! Thank you for the translation because what grandma & Xiaotao says sums up my opinion on QH perfectly. I am angry that he didn’t back down when ML told him so many times why this wouldn’t work. When it didn’t work Minglan is the one humiliated & laughed about when he was the one who chased after her...

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9 minutes ago, mayonnaisepan said:

i don't think QH stepped out of line when he went to have a talk with GTY. like everyone else has said, QH didn't know that GTY did this on purpose, only ML (and grandma) knew. QH was, in his own way, looking out for ML. of course, i expect that QH was hoping against hope that GTY would back down and that QH could still marry ML.

 

He was totally out of line. Before even talking to ML to suss out her feelings, he wants GTY to break off the marriage! Seriously, how big is this boy's bubble? 

 

His behaviour is only understandable if he knew she was clearly unhappy and still carrying a torch for him. Which she wasn't even.

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I haven’t watched but if gty said he was not worried about her choosing qh again, I wonder what is going to make him so insecure late.

 

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4 hours ago, paras said:

Preview of the wedding -

 

 

Yeaayyy!! Thank you!! Cant wait for it to be subbed, next on the list should be wedding night :w00t:

 

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From the trailer, CB would have deducted that GTY actually like ML, I mean how can someone be so overly excited to marry unless that was who he was aiming all along

 

Why the hell is SH crying? Oh now you care about that daughter of yours? Cant trust him, for all I know he’s happy he could save face by marrying minglan off

 

looks like 3rd Gu son really like his 2nd brother, I’d still be weary tho, that two faced thing of her mom could be hereditary

 

May I know what polo match is coming? I thought I see GTY in a polo match outfit once in another trailer, but ML’s hair was married style

 

I also agree about the possible 2nd rebellion, the father emperor is too kind and weak, the son would have been a better pick. There might be an effort to overthrow the emperor, and gty could be saving another crown prince all over again

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QH tried to fight for ML, but it was a little too late . I also don’t see anything wrong with talking to GTY. And no I don’t think they were best buds compared to GTY and ML’s brother. I think they respected each other but QH does have a prejudice in regards to GTY’s past. Warranted or not, what matters is that QH is not the man for ML for the actual “present” in the story. 

 

At the moment QH is one of the least flawed characters in story (aside from the maids). My opinion could change tho in the future. I just think after ML’s successful revenge she became absolutely incompatible with QH or with the Dr. too. 

Time to go watch episode 36 with subs, yeah! :w00t:

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17 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

Hahaha.... I'm not in QH's camp, and I do like GTY (now, not the beginning when he is nothing but trouble), I just try to be neutral and follow the story and try to understand each character, I said in the (much) previous comment, people like GTY soooo much, so no matter how bad he is, he's still the hero, and people dislike QH, no matter how he did/do/will do (in his term, base on his personality), he end up zero, no effort, nothing good, etc, it's kinda unfair. I understand why GTY has to trick ML, because it suit his personalty.

 

I mean its unfair but someone has to lose and that is him, i like GTY more because he actually thinks about ML and wont put her in a bad position. Can you tell me what he generally did that's bad its really only the doctor thing, meanwhile QH caused his own marriage,caused his own servant to die, caused another princess to die. If he did not do what he did at Polo i doubt both princesses would have wanted marriage and even if they did i doubt they would have known about ML to threaten him with that.

 

He had scheme to marry ML because the grandma would have refused what he did was not the best and no-one thinks that hes without fault's he just has way less then GTY.

 

Has QH ever stopped and thought what would be best for ML?? He has not because he only care's about what he want's, ML told him over and over to basically stop approaching her but he just could not help him self. 

 

I actually really liked QH at the start before the dumb Polo mistake and him asking his mother for marriage at the worst point possible. 

 

If he carry's on after marriage i will hate QH and he cant redeem him self so i hope he stop's. 

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I haven’t watched but if gty said he was not worried about her choosing qh again, I wonder what is going to make him so insecure late.

 

 

QH and ML meet and she gets angry or something and GTY basically say's that ML never really shows emotion or her real self in front of him but does to QH? 

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2 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Im a man and saying you think men are trash is just sexist and stupid, i do think Sheng Hong is to blame though. 

:D hahaha #sorrynotsorry. i'm not sure if you're saying i'm sexist and stupid or if you're saying that "men are trash" is sexist and stupid, but i will give you the benefit of the doubt and think it's the latter. when i said men (at large or conceptually, not individual men, as I said) are trash i was referring to men that symbolize, represent, and uphold patriarchal systems and ideas that disadvantage women. if you're not a man that falls into that category, then i wasn't talking about you. to me, sheng hong represents what's wrong with patriarchal systems that disadvantage and oppress women. he's flawed and human, but as man with money and authority (relative to women) has the power to favor, judge, punish, and kill the women in his family.  

 

actually, while not explicitly feminist (in the Western sense), i feel that the show highlights how women understand and negotiate cultural and systemic patriarchy in their lives. this is very telling in one of the earliest scenes when ML and Grandma talk about how men don't allow women to study because its keep women "stupid" (because knowledge is power). why can't QH understand why it's dangerous for ML to be seen interacting with him? well, QH cannot make or is unwilling to see the larger gendered system that privileges men and punishes women. since QH cannot "see through the system," he cannot navigate or negotiate it as well as GTY or any of the powerful and smart women around him. to put it in different terms, QH is kind of like your rich friend who doesn't understand why you can't fly to Bali for Spring Break even though he sees you eat rice and soy sauce everyday to save money (because he thinks you just like to eat rice and soy sauce). 

 

i hope this explains where i am coming from and the comment wasn't an attack on (individual) men. 

 

i don't know how other people are watching the show. i planned to just watch the show for entertainment (lmaoo) but couldn't escape watching the show from a sociological and feminist lens. It's sort of an occupational hazard (is that the correct expression?). 

 

oh btw, women, on a personal level, can be prejudiced against men. perhaps, this is what you mean by sexist. however, in academic discussions of institutional sexism, racism or other isms, "sexism" doesn't mean that women hates men, it means a wider set of beliefs that actively punishes or limits a population based on their gender, usually women. In that sense, there is no sexism against men. Of course, men face problems in our society related to their gender, but these are not usually limited to  men just being men. 

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14 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

Hahaha.... I'm not in QH's camp, and I do like GTY (now, not the beginning when he is nothing but trouble), I just try to be neutral and follow the story and try to understand each character, I said in the (much) previous comment, people like GTY soooo much, so no matter how bad he is, he's still the hero, and people dislike QH, no matter how he did/do/will do (in his term, base on his personality), he end up zero, no effort, nothing good, etc, it's kinda unfair. I understand why GTY has to trick ML, because it suit his personalty.

 hmm,  i don't think people here treat GTY as a hero, at least i don't. he's the main lead so of course, there are more supporters at the moment for him to be with ML, especially because they're both strong-minded characters. i don't dislike QH, admittedly if i had to choose in real life, i would probably go for GTY because i know he'll really go to hell to protect me. i did pity him a little when he was walking away at the end of episode 40 but i also felt, it was just too late for him. how would anyone (ML especially) know that he was still interested when his own mother had come to say they're "siblings" now? is it unfair to him, in a way, yes but he isn't completely free of faults either. QH lives in a different world from ML, what he is concerned with and what he has had to concern himself with is different from ML. he's had a cushy life and he really thought that because he passed the imperial exam and could win his mother's agreement, he would be able to marry ML. he didn't think of ML's feelings either. 

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20 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

Yeaayyy!! Thank you!! Cant wait for it to be subbed, next on the list should be wedding night :w00t:

 

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From the trailer, CB would have deducted that GTY actually like ML, I mean how can someone be so overly excited to marry unless that was who he was aiming all along

 

Why the hell is SH crying? Oh now you care about that daughter of yours? Cant trust him, for all I know he’s happy he could save face by marrying minglan off

 

looks like 3rd Gu son really like his 2nd brother, I’d still be weary tho, that two faced thing of her mom could be hereditary

 

May I know what polo match is coming? I thought I see GTY in a polo match outfit once in another trailer, but ML’s hair was married style

 

I also agree about the possible 2nd rebellion, the father emperor is too kind and weak, the son would have been a better pick. There might be an effort to overthrow the emperor, and gty could be saving another crown prince all over again

 

should be the next episode, episode 41. it sounds like, from the teaser, that ML agrees to "battle" with GTY as a duo against the other team to win the hairpin prize from the niang niang. this should happen before their marriage. 

 

23 minutes ago, mooose said:

 

He was totally out of line. Before even talking to ML to suss out her feelings, he wants GTY to break off the marriage! Seriously, how big is this boy's bubble? 

 

His behaviour is only understandable if he knew she was clearly unhappy and still carrying a torch for him. Which she wasn't even.

 

 

i do think he should've asked ML how she felt about it but at the same time, during that time period, to go to the Sheng house and ask to meet ML to talk with her would've been very hard. he tries to do afterward and is rejected by both xiaotao and grandma. for sure, QH is in his own bubble where he thinks that ML could only possibly love him and want to marry him but to an extent, i understand that QH reacted based on his emotions. he's always been the type that reacts very visibly to his emotions and he doesn't hide the way he feels because he never has had to before. he doesn't typically get told no and as a male, he's never had to be afraid of being judged the way ML as a female would. i don't like that he went to GTY but based on the fact that he was only told by his mother that GTY proposed marriage to the Shengs for roulan and only got ML because roulan was already promised to someone else, i can understand QH's initial anger and disbelief. it's in line with his character so far in the drama even if i personally do not like that he did it. 

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7 minutes ago, crackaddict said:

 

 

Im saying that you were sexist and stupid for saying men are trash, but you clarified it now when you did not before so i guess i take those comments back ;p

 

 

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