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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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7 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

I was laughing thinking the same. He seemed to hint that he wants her to wait for him and don’t get married. He will be the one to protect her. 

 

Too crazy to think about it.. that’s why ML probably didnt suspect anything lol

 

I think ML’s part is still acceptable, you guys.. at least she’s not magically a martial art expert:bawling:

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With how sucks her arrow aiming have become

 

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Granma is like a dragon, she was so pissed when Da Niang told her what Madam Liang had suggested that ML marries her 6th son as the main wife while Molan as the concubine, she is basically 'shouting' that she was the one who raised ML and nobody in hell is going to marry her  ML off but she!! You gotta love  granma !

 

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21 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

 

Too crazy to think about it.. that’s why ML probably didnt suspect anything lol

 

I think ML’s part is still acceptable, you guys.. at least she’s not magically a martial art expert:bawling:

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With how sucks her arrow aiming have become

 

Haha :lol: that reminds me of GTY talking smack when they were secretly following behind her shooting sleeve arrows “that little brat...She really thinks she’s some devine archer.”  I would expect tomboy Pinglan to start fighting before ML.

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3 hours ago, minglan1 said:

 Ruloan's beau was introduced in the series.Glad that they have kept this story arc.Will be interesting to see how GTY conspires to fix his marriage with ML while not give the Sheng family a way to wriggle out and placate grandma. 

They should at least cast a better and younger looking guy for Rulan :D(i like her this Rulan eventho in the novel she didn't seem all that nice)

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3 hours ago, xxLynnxx said:

I'm a lurker (because my English sucks), but I really fell in love with this drama. I'm obsessed with it. <3

I just saw that old trailer and now I'm wondering if someone understands what ML & GTY are fighting about. 

 

From the trailer it seem like GTY was jealous after seeing QH and ML together, alone. 

In the novel (as mentioned by another chingu), it was written as GTY was jealous because ML showed the true side of her, as ML was angry with QH and showed it. As his wife, ML was always the perfect wife that never raises her voice, never angry. But GTY wanted to see the true side of her which has all emotions. 

 

However in the drama, I'm not sure they are keeping that as we can see that ML loses her cool with him more than she ever did with QH. And I think GTY is happy because he gets to see the real her. So I'm suspecting he really is jealous. In the trailer, towards the end, he asked her "if you get to choose again, would you still have married me??" 

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2 hours ago, mooose said:

You can't compare the two. The written word relies on imagination. You can absorb characters and nuance at a leisurely pace.Cinematography is visual. You have to grasp the characters, story, background and absorb at a rapid pace.

 

The book tells us she was smart and ahead of her time and we must imagine using Minglan's POV.  The drama can't just tell us she was smart and ahead of her time, it must show us, using examples. 

Thank you. Well said!! :thumbsup:

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1 hour ago, Lunkera said:

@tomo74 Most of the spoilers are from the novel. Yes and no to your question. He has alot of concubine i think and she isn't really favored so she won't have a good life.

If she isn't favored from her husband, she wasted her mother's secret tricks lol, guess crying and sweet talk only works for a decent stupid man not a playboy :joy: sorry for being so sarcastic, this is the chance for me to slap slap her and her parent since they annoyed me for along time, I can't wait to watch that episode and I'll scream "eat that s***", once again sorry for my rudeness :lol:

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6 minutes ago, jewelsc said:

They should at least cast a better and younger looking guy for Rulan :D(i like her this Rulan eventho in the novel she didn't seem all that nice)

Yeah they should have got a younger and better looking guy for her.Maybe he doesn't have much screen time so they didn't invest a lot for this character.

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10 hours ago, zenya22 said:

No, not really, she did not advise him to ditch the general. This is one of the conversations where they spoke in codes like you said, when she did not actually advise him on how to advance his career but he let her guess what he was up to. She asked why he was still a foot soldier and was it because he was arrogant and acted pompously and was punished. TY did not answer just raised his eyebrows and she said ahhhh that was not it, you did something valorous to save the day and let the general take the credit and (indebted to you) and mentioned one of the strategies in Strategems of War, don't remember exactly what she said the strategy was, then praised his ingenuity. This is also when he told her that he did not enlist in his father's army because he wanted to advance through his own efforts as that was the honorable thing to do. But this conversation shows how in touch they are with each other. All he has to do is raise his eyebrows and boom.... she knows. TGY: I better be honest with her, she has ESP. she reads me . :lol:

 

Anyhow, since GTY is going to the frontlines, do we see him in action in the frontlines? How he gets his stars and stripes and become general? 

 

 

 

Hmmmm...

Am I watching some cut version or something? 

(Watched it on Viki) 

 

The version I saw never talked about the strategem of war?? 

I went back to watch the part again and It basically went 

ML: Er ship, why are you still a foot soldier?

GTY:  Yo, are u saying my position is too low?

ML: no way, I just feel that if you want to be promoted, you came to the wrong place. 

GTY: Why do U say that? 

ML: Although Youyang has disturbances, it's temporary and there's no military battles. You come here you can't really achieve military merit. If U go to the front line would u not get promoted faster?

GTY: do U know why I'm not at the front line?

ML : has to be U are too proud and offended ur superior. 

GTY: I did offend my superior but not because of my behaviour. 

ML: then it's because you achieved victory too quickly and blocked someone's path. Am I right? I thought I'd go back to capital and go under Gu army

 

And then GTY mentioned about wanting to gain merit and honours by himself for himself. 

And ML said she admires him?? 

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1 minute ago, minglan1 said:

Yeah they should have got a younger and better looking guy for her.Maybe he doesn't have much screen time so they didn't invest a lot for this character.

I think that’s probably true because there were BTS pictures of ML interacting with her sisters after marriage but none of Rulan’s husband. 

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29 minutes ago, jewelsc said:
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Granma is like a dragon, she was so pissed when Da Niang told her what Madam Liang had suggested that ML marries her 6th son as the main wife while Molan as the concubine, she is basically 'shouting' that she was the one who raised ML and nobody in hell is going to marry her  ML off but she!! You gotta love  granma !

 

Grandma is the best :thumbsup:, for me, she is the best character in this drama, love you Zǔmǔ (have to copy paste from google translate hahaha...)


 
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7 minutes ago, jewelsc said:

They should at least cast a better and younger looking guy for Rulan :D(i like her this Rulan eventho in the novel she didn't seem all that nice)

I like Rulan both in the drama and in the book. She might look spoilt and shallow but actually she was more mature than what's shown. Like she said women would be very stressful once married, so she just tried to live as carefree and fun as she could while still living with her parents. She was never blinded by the glamour of status and money, she never got jealous of ML bc she was more admired than her, she understood her shortcomings and she was waiting for the one who loved her for who she was. I never imagined a character which I didn't care and kinda dislike at the beginning turned out to be one of those I like most. She had grown so much since she got married and tbh I'm impressed.

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19 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

From the trailer it seem like GTY was jealous after seeing QH and ML together, alone. 

In the novel (as mentioned by another chingu), it was written as GTY was jealous because ML showed the true side of her, as ML was angry with QH and showed it. As his wife, ML was always the perfect wife that never raises her voice, never angry. But GTY wanted to see the true side of her which has all emotions. 

 

However in the drama, I'm not sure they are keeping that as we can see that ML loses her cool with him more than she ever did with QH. And I think GTY is happy because he gets to see the real her. So I'm suspecting he really is jealous. In the trailer, towards the end, he asked her "if you get to choose again, would you still have married me??" 

I get why they might change even if I enjoyed that sl. in the book qh wasn’t a serious contender, she never loved him so it made sense gty wasnt worried about this. Here we and gty saw her love. She gave him up because of others but she had feelings. So it’s natural that gty and the viewers wonder if she were happy with gty or if he still were her second choice. They had to clear this.

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Ep 31: OMG the scene between QH and his wife was so forced I felt sorry for him. I wonder if she knew what her mother had done?

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19 minutes ago, hello210 said:

I think that’s probably true because there were BTS pictures of ML interacting with her sisters after marriage but none of Rulan’s husband. 

I am just waiting to see Molan,Da Niang,Hong Sheng and 6th Master of Liang's reaction when ML finally reveals her true wit and refined sensibility post marriage with GTY.I hope I get some scenes where they recognize how they misjudged her.

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4 hours ago, fra8 said:

Yes I agree. It makes the story less compelling. There is a balance between showing her intelligence and capability and making her do things that are out of the context and even ooc (in comparison with the book). 

I think  that the general idea is to make her amazing and make her overshadow everybody. 

 

5 hours ago, linhlinh111 said:

I don't know but I have a feeling that the drama is buffing ML too much. From being in charge of the Sheng family (did not happen i the book and very unreasonable, ML was just a shu daughter) to proposing the divorce of her cousin (did not happen in the book and very unappropriate bc ML was not yet married and just a relative, Shulan grandma was the one who proposed that) and now helping the emperor? She did things that were very unfit to her position and it made everyone around her look useless, thus destroy the logic of the story. But I think maybe bc she is the main lead so the drama has to make things more about her somehow.

 

Totally disagree the drama had to show her being intelligent by doing stuff and its not OOC or out of context because this is the drama not the book its a adaptation to a clone/copy.

 

Also its quite annoying people bringing history like this family is based on history or the characters based on characters in history when they are not. 

 

Its called the Story of Ming Lan of course the story is supposed to be about her and shes supposed to overshadow everybody as the lead.

 

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I like the drama more than the novel. Buffing ml's role was what required to make it more interesting. And helping shulan for separation was done discreetly not publicly. And the title of the drama us "the story of minglan" so, of course everything revolved around ML. 

 

 

Totally agree.

 

4 hours ago, dito said:

 

 

Making her more involved in domestic matters she had no business interfering which show her intelligence is still acceptable to a certain extent...if you forget historical accuracy and logic. But getting involved into political matters??? At least leave something for our main lead to do. Poor guy has done nothing but get beat up by his dad, schemed against by his family, betrayed by his lover, and rejected by half the families in the capital.:bawling:

 

I mean why are people even thinking of history when none of the characters are based on history??

 

She never even got involved in Political matters she passed a message along.. WOW the political matters she got involved with, back then all girls were just useless and stayed in door's right?

 

Anyone who knows Chinese history know's there are out liars and strong female in literally every dynasty. If there are strong female's at the top there would be strong female's in household's as well you just never heard of them.

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17 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

Ep 31: OMG the scene between QH and his wife was so forced I felt sorry for him. I wonder if she knew what her mother had done?

QH’s wife seems like she could be one of those undercover crazies that look demure/innocent on the surface but is really psycho. I don’t know why, but that’s the feeling I got from that character in the first polo match. I don’t think she’s as sheltered as QH was. And it seemed most people knew but “didn’t know” what her parents did.

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16 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

I like Rulan both in the drama and in the book. She might look spoilt and shallow but actually she was more mature than what's shown. Like she said women would be very stressful once married, so she just tried to live as carefree and fun as she could while still living with her parents. She was never blinded by the glamour of status and money, she never got jealous of ML bc she was more admired than her, she understood her shortcomings and she was waiting for the one who loved her for who she was. I never imagined a character which I didn't care and kinda dislike at the beginning turned out to be one of those I like most. She had grown so much since she got married and tbh I'm impressed.

Thanks for that about older Rolan, i guess she's her own person, actually i should've rephrased by saying i didn't get to read pass the english translated novel so only read when she was still a kid so i figured once they got an attitude like that as a kid, it'll not be much diffrnt when they grow up  ^_^.

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3 hours ago, mooose said:

 

In the drama, it looked like he was tired of her already. He was a playboy with a lot of experience.  It would have been hard to become his main wife withoit entrapment.  Marriages are arranged by the parents and Madam Liang definitely did not want her. 

Indeed.  Both her and her mum blackmailed the Sheng family to approached Liang family for marriage and Liang matriach said she wanted Minglan and was never interested in Molan because she could see through her scheme.  I mean what future is there when your own mother n-law doesn't like nor respect you?  Her mum is really a terrible mother.  Fancy encouraging your own daughter to trap a man and purposely spread the news. I mean, has she no shame?  But I must say that I am impressed with everyone acting.  So much emotion even for Molan and her mum.  Grandma fircely protecting Minglan from being sacrificed like a sacrificial lamb and you could see the way the story opened up.  I like Changbai's wife.  She is very pretty.  Hualan too is very pretty.  

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9 minutes ago, hello210 said:

QH’s wife seems like one of those undercover crazies that look demure/innocent on the surface but is really psycho. I don’t know why, but that’s the feeling I got from that character in the first polo match. I don’t think she’s as sheltered as QH was. And it seemed most people knew but “didn’t know” what her parents did.

I too wondered if she knew what her mom did but somehow i get the feeling she doesn't but she is very happy

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