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[loveandpeace09]

59 minutes ago, hiluna said:

Well if he is then it is with a lot of restraint unlike KHN. Can you imagine if she didn't have a boyfriend, the battle of the princes for her would be on-screen as well as off-screen, they wouldn't even have to "act" possessive and jealous in the drama 

Hahahahahaha !! So True !!

[akinahana89]

*cough cough* I did something... It's so bad, but I couldn't help myself. I had to appease the shipping hearts of not just me, but of fellow Eclipses and So2 shippers too... Hahaha.

 

[loveandpeace09]

54 minutes ago, hiluna said:

Yes, I think he is the kind of person that likes to show affection with hugs, handshakes etc. with everyone around him. I have noticed at public interviews and appearances with his leading ladies that he is more restrained than with the guys (recently the premiere of NSG movie in China) and it is probably to show respect for their boyfriends, OR to avoid a possible black eye . He doesn't seem to mind giving hugs to his fans either *sigh* wish I was one of them 

I so totally agree with you.

LJK is the epitome of 'physical expression'

His whole body is so animated that it conveys exactly what he is thinking. He likes to physically express himself by hugging, touching and giving handshakes etc which I find so attractive. It's difficult for guys to be expressive but I love it because LJK is so good at that, and his energy is just so...omg... I love his boyish carefree attitude...but he can be serious and diplomatic at times as well. I love the mix and versatility of his personality.

How can he not have a girlfriend or how can a girl not want to date him, he is going to be so much fun to be in a relationship with .

*sigh*

[dustdevil]

@outofspace @penelop3 @bebebisous33 Oooh, love all of the theories on the courtyard fight scene.

I obsessively went through the 6 minute trailer and I think there are at least 2 more big scenes in the main courtyard yet to come:

Spoiler

 

#1- CP, So, Yo, Wook in armor, and Baek-Ah in normal robes. Everyone kneeling except CP. No flags in front of the palace doors.

#2 Guards rushing into the courtyard, 4 Princes in normal robes. (Blue, hair down-Jung,light blue-Wook,, orange-Yo, purple-Won) this has to be before Yo becomes King.

#3 Woman in a white dress (YeonHwa) coming out of the palace doors. Flags in front of the doors., this matches with the shot of So, Baek-Ah and General Park in armor coming into the palace.

If #2 and #3 are the same scene, that's surprising. I'd assumed that the big shot of So with is sword drawn would be when he becomes King, but if it's before Yo becomes King....hmmmm.

 

It struck me that most of the things in that long trailer are things that happened in episodes 1-11. It's more heavily weighted towards the earlier episodes, but there were definitely key shots from 10-11 in that preview. I'm intrigued by the few shots in the trailer that we haven't seen yet, in addition to the ones that are in the preview for next week.

Spoiler

 

Baek Ah & Woo Hee huggy scene:

Baek-Ah and Hae Soo angsty scene:

Baek Ah (or Jung? they really have similar eyebrows and noses) in armor screaming (this was in a short trailer, didn't catch it in the longer one):

Crying Jung and Eun:

Emo, black-wearing Wook:

A few deaths: (EDIT: in the post below this someone pointed out that a red-filtered version of this is episode 3, when So realizes Yo had the assassins killed. But it might pop up again.)

It went by fast in the preview, so I assumed this was CP, but it's Yo, right? That's a nice teaser of his death. Wonder if YH poisons him...

Hae Soo does get more scenes where she is better dressed:

 

 

[hiluna]

13 minutes ago, dustdevil said:

 

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Baek Ah & Woo Hee huggy scene:

 

Baek-Ah and Hae Soo angsty scene:

 

Baek Ah (or Jung? they really have similar eyebrows and noses) in armor screaming (this was in a short trailer, didn't catch it in the longer one):

 

Crying Jung and Eun:

 

Emo, black-wearing Wook

 

A few deaths:

 

It went by fast in the preview, so I assumed this was CP, but it's Yo, right? That's a nice teaser of his death. Wonder if YH poisons him...

 

Hae Soo does get more scenes where she is better dressed:

 

 

The photo of "A few deaths", that scene was shown when So realized it was Yo that arranged for the monks to assassinate CP, it was filtered red like Soo's premonitions as if So had seen it.  I thought that was kind of out of place because it didn't look like a flashback. Does anyone know what happened there? Was that an early hint that maybe So is also a time traveler? I just thought it was bad editing and a mistake.

[TheRoadNotTaken]

1 hour ago, tanaqvi said:

Unfortunatly it seems to be the true him.I think so too

for me it wasn't funny it was awkward and unexpected bcs I never saw him doing shows before

I am a huge fan of RM and expected more from LJG, than awkward overacting, yet he himself seemed to enjoy it

many stars made their appearance on RM great, IU was there few times, there are good/bad eps too, I wasn't sold by LJG charm or humor or smth else,  I mean 

He only been in 2 variety shows because he said he's not good at it, so far he's been in family outing 7 years ago and RM this year only, I wouldn't recommend a show like RM to get to know a celebrity tbh I mean even Kim Jong Kook is not like that in real life it's all just an act, interviews with good MC is better, I think one of his best is Healing Camp & Golden Fishery, he struggled for 4 years & failed 50+ auditions every year so he has a lot of fun stories & he's so good at telling it, he's very honest too & have made a lot of stupid reckless mistakes, also magazine interviews are better than RM to get to know someone

[shiraru]

Apparently, the kissing BTS impact is so strong in K-Drama Land, a Soompi writer decided to write an article about it! Hehehee...

http://www.soompi.com/2016/09/30/lee-joon-gi-iu-get-close-behind-scenes-footage-kiss-scene/

Footage from the making of Lee Joon Gi and IU’s emotional kiss scene from SBS’ “Scarlet Heart: Goryeo” has been released!

In the video, Lee Joon Gi is seen handling the scene professionally, even helping IU find the right angle for her face.

IU cracks up when he eagerly advises in between takes, “Don’t pull [your lips] away.”

With the filming day falling on IU’s birthday (May 16), Lee Joon Gi relays his best wishes to her through a video message where he jokes, “I think of that kiss as my birthday present to you. It was a gift given against your will and that only I liked.”

The staff also celebrate by surrounding IU while they sing her a birthday song and present her with a cake.

 

 

 

 

 

Throughout the video, the two lead actors are seen lightening up the mood on set as they chat and joke around.

Watch the behind-the-scenes footage below!

http://tvcast.naver.com/v/1141826

 

[TheRoadNotTaken]

1 hour ago, MadraRua said:

@tanaqvi
 

You made me curious so I looked up Episode 314 of Running Man. First time I seen the show to be honest. Not really my cup of tea at all. It's all over the top theatrics, He's no more over the top and awkward than the rest of them. it would be hard to see what the celebrity is really like. He'd need to go on a chat show like Graham Norton for me to have a sense of what he's about. Do they have chat shows in Korea? Or is it mainly these variety shows? 

 

 

I'd recommend Healing Camp Ep 79 it was in 2013 But I'm not sure you're gonna be able to find it because it was taken down by SBS, Golden Fishery ep 135 & 136 in 2009 you'll find it in JGfamily FB, they're my favorite talk/chat show 

[bebebisous33]

17 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

I want to talk about two things. The male leads and adaptation.

In this post I'll deal with the male leads because knowing me, this will turn into an essay.

Now that I've watched Ep.11 from a translating, subbing perspective, I find myself rethinking many things. Looking at the characters at a lexical level is one of my great passions as a reader of texts and as someone who teaches others to read.

I've always believed that the writer set up So and Uk as clear, contrastive figures that subvert the usual generic pigeonholes. On the surface they appear to be archetypes and tropes but here the writer plays around with the "protagonist" and "antagonist" labels chopping and changing their roles and shifting our perspectives as well as undermining our expectations of "first male lead", "second male lead". For the writer and this drama such categories don't exist and if they do they shift like sand... because thankfully in life, no matter who's the lead character of one's life story, there is no such thing as "first" male lead.

The two lead males have their mantras, or slogans that they live by and they act as motifs in the drama. For Uk it's about "owing debts", for So, it's collecting and "owning" people -- "You are my person".

Uk sees life as an accounting ledger. I'm no accountant but even I know what someone means when they say "I owe you". It means obligation, repayment and calling in favours. Personally I don't really like living in this way but it is (from personal experience) the dominant mode of operation among many Asian cultures. For Uk life is one huge responsibility comprised of many little responsibilities. It's not just that he has responsibilities as the most prestigious son in his mother's clan, it is his entire worldview. It is how he sees the world perhaps through force of habit and expectations of others and it colours the way he understands things like family, love and ambition. It is through this grid that he is able to justify the kinds of decisions that he makes. Because he perceives life in terms of debt and credit, he tends not to overcommit himself lest he has to "owe" people more than he needs to. He's not an outright bad guy but he does see his sins or shortcomings more as debts rather than as moral failures.

When he finds out that Su understood the love poem because his late wife read it to her, his response was... "the debt I owe to Madam are too many". Moreover, when he goes to Lady Hae's grave before proposing marriage, again he uses the language "the debt I owe you I will repay to Hae Su". I find that fascinating and not a little bit disturbing. Despite the fact that he regretted bitterly not telling Lady Hae that he loved her, one can't help feeling that his idea of love is still primarily rooted in obligation. When he finally proposes marriage to Su, he says that he's had a hard life and that he needs her to help him lighten the load, to ease the burden. It's hardly the most romantic marriage proposal but it is consistent with who he is and him being a man of his time. However, what is really compelling to me is that although he was "burdened" with an arranged marriage, it was a reasonably happy one. He had a wife that was utterly devoted to him and his interests. The woman adored him. She helped raise the profile of his family. No man in his right mind especially in those days would be too unhappy with his lot in life but he still thought of it and her as a burden or responsibility. He had a mother who loved him and gave him a lot of freedom to do what he wanted to -- "Have I ever opposed anything you've ever wanted to do?"

Sorry to cut your wonderful post!!

My dear chingu, I loved your approach on Wang Wook and Wang So. Yes, the fact he often uses words like debts and creditors reveals how he views relationships and people. And this forced me to take a closer look at Wang Wook's behaviour towards people and especially towards Hae Soo and lady Hae again. What are the debts he owes to lady Hae exactly? Has he got the same relationship with Hae Soo as well? Is it love? First, I am going to analyse his relationship with his family. 

One of his first actions we hear from him is, he killed his first man while protecting his family, when he was 11 years old. Based on your analysis, this explains why he is expecting unlimited support from his mother and sister. He saved their life and as such, they already owe him. Yet he never dared to mention it because they belonged to his family. However, he expected from Yeon Hwa submission and total support therefore he never really paid attention to her motivation and ambition. She betrays him and she lies to him in the episode 11, when she says that all she did was for him. Wang Wook believes her and adds the poisoning as a debt towards him. He does her a favour and expects again total support and submission from her. We all know that he is wrong: Yeon Hwa is much more ambitious, resentful and greedy than he is. As conclusion, this is also the reason why he is misjudging Yeon Hwa's personality. As a result she will never repay her debts towards him.

Then we have lady Hae: he married her because she wanted to. For him, it was an arranged marriage. The business deal was that since she came from a powerful family, he could come back to the palace. Nonetheless. he knew that she loved him, but preferred to ignore it because this would have meant that he would have had more debts towards her than he wanted:

1) He could return to the palace

2) He got love and total devotion from his wife, (but without her confessing to him) 

Therefore he preferred to compensate her by acting like a devoted and loving husband, without giving his heart to her. She is the reason why Wang Wook saw her as a responsability. She was his biggest creditor. This explains why he didn't want to get divorced or take another wife because these actions would have been added on his list as credits. So when she was about to die, she confessed to him, how she fell in love with him. This confession illustrates that lady Hae could never talk freely to him and share her feelings towards him. She had to suppress these feelings all this time and in my opinion, it was deliberate from Wang Wook. He didn't want to owe her too much. Then she stopped him from confessing to her. By doing so, she gave him one more reason to be endebted towards her. As a result, the amount of his debts towards her had increased again: the declared love and she never asked for his feelings in return. The question is: did he really love lady Hae? In my opinion, he felt remorse that she had died leaving him behind with this huge debts towards her. Then he keeps visiting her grave, even with Hae Soo, as if his visit to her grave would reduce the amount of his debts. Thus he learnt from Hae Soo that his wife was the one who read the poem to her so that he realised that his wife was well aware of his feelings for Hae Soo. In order to reduce the amount of his debts towards her, he pledged that he would love Hae Soo with the love he should have given to her. Hae Soo becomes for him a tool and all this points out that Wang Wook feels remorse towards lady Hae. 

What about Hae Soo? Why did he say that she belonged to him (episode 4), while she was actually part of his wife's family? The answer is that since he killed the man in the episode 2 and he had declared, he would take care of her (episode 1), he definitely saw her as a person who owes him. He had saved her life and had declared he would help her. Besides, he consoled her and took care of her scar. Therefore she belonged to him. As exchange for this, he asked for her smile, jokes and affection. So this would explain why he didn't want to marry her sooner. She was not just fun, she also had to repay for her debts. Therefore he thought, he saw himself as her big creditor. Yet their relationship started changing because he noticed that he had fallen in love with her. Hence he got so upset and depressed and in my opinion, that's the moment she became more a burden. Being in love means that you want to show it and give that love to the person. The rescue in the episode 4 made him realise that love is connected to responsability and committment so that it can be viewed as a burden. Hence he is cold towards Hae Soo after the rescuing. He even avoids her for a while. Yet at the end of the day, he can't fight for his feelings any longer. From that moment, he thinks that if he can see her smile, this will be enough. She makes him happy. He doesn't need to make a real committment. Buying herbs so that she can make soap is another way to make him happy while watching her at a certain distance. Moreover, he uses Hae Soo's soaps to get love and support from his mother. Thus he is asking for Hae Soo's love now. So he bought her a lot of herbs and made her happy, unconsciously he is asking for something in return: her love. This is where the poem intervenes. He wants to know about her feelings towards him. By doing so, he is binding Hae Soo to him, without making a big committment. He doesn't want to be the giving part, I mean, the one who gives more than he receives. Just like you said, he doesn't want to give more than he needs to. Therefore even after his wife's death, he doesn't think, he needs to marry Hae Soo. Since she owes him, she will never leave his side. He knows, she loves him and that's enough. 

However, due to the forced marriage to the king, Wang Wook realises that he is about to lose Hae Soo and his happiness. After his failed attempt to stop the marriage, Wang Wook is hurt because Hae Soo had to save herself in order to stop the marriage, so that the debts Hae Soo owed him changed: she risked her life and as such, she owes him less. In order to secure his ownership over her, he gives her the bracelet. By covering the scar with the bracelet, he is not only trying to claim her as his possession (she is unaware of it), but he is also attempting to erase the scar so that it could be seen as if her debts towards him was still bigger than it actually is. Moreover, he doesn't want to be reminded that he owes her more than she does, since he didn't help her as promised.

However, he becomes happy again because he can still see her and her smiles. Her affection hasn't changed at all. He can still meet her in secret. Therefore he accepts the changed situation much easilier than Wang So who is worried about her. He is still the one who receives more than he gives. But Wang Wook starts having a hard time because he sees Hae Soo less than before (episode 8). To me, since he doesn't see her so often, this makes him realise that it is not what her position as court lady isn't that great. Now, he gets aware that she needs to come back to his home. Notice that he doesn't ask for her hand. He only talks about buying herbs for her so that she can make soap again. From my point of view, he wants to return to their relationship like in the past. She is with him, but she is not his wife or concubine. She is just a person who will make him happy. Deep down, he doesn't want to commit himself. He knows that Hae Soo's status doesn't contribute to give him more power. He would be the one who gives more than he receives. Yet during the rain ritual, he observes that Hae Soo is only looking at Wang So and it does bother him. Moreover, she is thinking a lot about Wang So in front of him. He starts feeling threatened, afraid of losing her so that he decides to do two things:

- he confesses his love to her (a big commitment to him!)

- he gives her a present (the book)

I also noticed that before he meets her to give him the present, he sighes, underlining that Hae Soo is considered by him as a burden. So he loves her but to a certain extent as he views his relationship with her as debtor and creditor. The reason he is giving her two things (confession, the book) is:

- He has to announce her that she can't leave the palace. He has failed again.

- He wants to secure her affections due to Wang So.

The bottom of the line is that his list of debts towards Hae Soo is getting longer. He keeps promising things he can not make true. As such, she is the one who gives more than he gives, but he wants to overlook it. Nonetheless, he is afraid of losing her. 

Because Hae Soo is having these visions, she gets scared and urges him to make her leave the palace. She never asks for marriage, yet when Wang Wook realises that Wang So is pursuing Hae Soo, this changes the whole situation. He needs to commit himself this time as he realises that he might lose her to Wang So. From that moment, he is forced to ask for her hand. He was already upset that Hae Soo had left the palace without telling him ("how could she?"). This illustrates that he considers Hae Soo as inferior to him:

- She owes him (as she promised to stay by his side),

- She is now just a court lady 

As conclusion, Wang So is the trigger for the proposal. If Wang Wook hadn't witnessed them together, this wouldn't have happened. But he doesn't feel the urge to ask directly for her hand, I mean, he doesn't visit the king immediately. He waits again. 

So the question is: why did he abandon her? It is not just because, like you said, he wants to protect his family. He only thinks of the perspective what he will gain from it. He notices that Hae Soo's love for him has wavered. She is more worried about Wang So than herself. He has noticed that she has someone else in her mind. He feels insecure. Moreover, he had never really given up the ambition to become king (see episode 9, where he is talking to himself about the seat he should fit in!). From my point of view, Yeon Hwa's words made him realise that he would lose more with Hae Soo than gain. He is doubting about her love, he wants to become the king deep down... moreover, he doesn't want to be more endebted to Hae Soo. His sister is the reason for her arrest. IF this was to be revealed, he and his sister would owe her more. He can not let that happen. By hiding the truth, he is trying to keep his debts towards Hae Soo small.

When he visits her at the end of the episode 11, he can't make a committment again because

- he is feeling guilty

- he can be punished by his father

- he loses the opportunity to become the king as Hae Soo has become a burden as court lady. If he commits himself to her in public, he will never be able to get support from other clans. He needs a more powerful wife.

Here again, his thinking is: will he lose more or win more by supporting Hae Soo? His answer is: he will lose more that's why he betrays her one more time. Does he love her in the end? Since he is only seeing it from a debt-credit aspect, we can only say that his love is not deep enough. For him, love is a burden... which reveals how selfish Wang Wook is despite his gentle and caring behaviour.

I really love this drama!!    

 

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[Utin]

While waiting for Monday to come, I stumbled upon "Shine or Go Crazy".    It's about Wang So too and his true love in that series I guess.  I watched the first and last episodes, since I'm so impatience.  Anyway, the WS in that series was abandoned too when he was small, the king daddy sent him away.  Kinda the same with our WS in Scarlet Heart.  Fast forward to the last episode, the lovers had to part ways since he ascended and became king.  And they met each other again after some times passed and the series end.   I hope our WS and HS love story will have a satisfied ending.  No reincarnation of any kind, just make it WS transported to the modern times to reunite with HaJin. 

[mabelialong]

@bebebisous33 awesome post. though this is not my language , i try as hard as I could to finish reading your above post

 

[briseis]

The hairpin of all hairpins

[dustdevil]

33 minutes ago, hiluna said:

The photo of "A few deaths", that scene was shown when So realized it was Yo that arranged for the monks to assassinate CP, it was filtered red like Soo's premonitions as if So had seen it.  I thought that was kind of out of place because it didn't look like a flashback. Does anyone know what happened there? Was that an early hint that maybe So is also a time traveler? I just thought it was bad editing and a mistake.

You're right, that's back in episode 3. Also, that flashback/premoniton scene implies that Yo had the assassins killed back in the palace, but I thought he had them all killed out in the forest while Hae Soo was watching.

[pujajain]

1 hour ago, Adnana said:

@violet90

At any rate, I agree with you that it shouldn't be something that WS will go crazy over, to the point of causing him to separate from HS. LJK said that Wang So will get very jealous of Wook later on, but with HS I think he'll just become more possessive and want to hold on tighter. So I pretty much agree with everything you said.  Including the fact that WS would have had a lot of respect for Baek-ah as a potential rival for Hae Soo's heart, but he would still fight to win HS's heart. Just with fairer tactics. Like, Baek-ah is the only man WS wouldn't have considered killing out of hand for threatening his own claim on HS. 

 

In chinese version, part of the problem was the difficult kingly decisions 4th prince had to make to protect Ruoxi. 4th prince also had a very hard time forgiving people who had harmed 13th prince and Ruoxi knowingly. He was smart enough to understand that people will continue to plot if he forgives them. He was trying to make an example out of them. It was immensely hard on Ruoxi who wanted to forgive them and considered them family and this was after she knew the history.

I see the same issue crop up here and more so because Soo is becoming fast disillusioned by palace life and she still has not internalized what life in this era means....She would want to spend a quiet happy life while So will be in thick of conspiracies and plots as he ends up becoming the king. He will want to keep Soo safe but she will probably be betrayed again and again. She has some level of loyalty to Wook's family but he is competing for the throne. She cares for Jung who seems to side with Wook over So. It is an odd conflict of interest. If Soo would lose a child because of a conspiracy, So would run out and burn the world making Soo feel guilty. In the end, palace life  and constant cycle of inescapable plotting and violence will break her.  I can completely see YH plot to create misunderstanding between the couple to pay her debt to her brother or to kill Soo's unborn baby.

[Adnana]

2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

[...] Crown Prince discovered Yo's treachery and asked for Wang Wook and Wang So's support. Both had to fight in order to know who would be the leader next to Crown Prince. Yo got defeated therefore he is brought to the palace. [...] someone is coming from the palace bringing the news that Taejo has just died.

Now, Crown Prince has become the new King hence everybody kneel down and bow as a sign that he is the new King. They are all pleadging allegiance to him. 

 

2 hours ago, outofspace said:

[...]

I like the idea of it being a mock war exercise, because I think that CP trusts So more than Wook. After all, So knows about the CP's condition and not Wook, so I don't see why they would still have to audition for the role. So saved him from getting poisoned too. Though, the matter of Yo being on his knees is still an interesting situation to me. XD CP is quite gentle from what we've seen of him so far, but considering a possible attempted assassination of his father, I guess he planned to shame Yo publicly? Like, maybe he planned it as some military training, but it really was just a plot to have Yo arrested instead, and with so many soldiers present, there'd be no way for Yo to try to snake his way out of getting caught. 

 

Summing up and adding to the existing theories for what'll happen in E12-13, politics-wise:

1) Taejo falls ill at the banquet shown in the preview

2) As Taejo lies dying, some of the princes engage in armed combat because of:

2a) a coup attempt by 3rd (which would explain why he ends up restrained by soldiers & on his knees in the courtyard, long before everyone else ends up kneeling before the CP). It's even possible that the CP was away from the palace/capital when Taejo fell ill, and 3rd wanted to take advantage and usurp the throne in the CP's absence. Incongruity: 8th seemed to be on 3rd's side, but he doesn't end up forced on his knees alongside 3rd.

OR 2b) a simple military exercise. Incongruity 1: the timing would be weird for that, if the King lies dying just then.

Incongruity 2: 4th and 8th seemed awfully invested in the fight for it to be just a military exercise. Jealousy over HS rearing up its ugly head and driving their swords to strike harder? 

Possibility: 4th and 8th aren't sparring with the CP's approval, but are actually interrupted by his appearance.

3) News arrives from the palace (or a special gong is heard): Taejo is dead.

4) Long live the King.

[chi13lou]

33 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

My dear chingu, I loved your approach on Wang Wook and Wang So. Yes, the fact he often uses words like debts and creditors reveals how he views relationships and people. And this forced me to take a closer look at Wang Wook's behaviour towards people and especially towards Hae Soo and lady Hae again. What are the debts he owes to lady Hae exactly? Has he got the same relationship with Hae Soo as well? Is it love? First, I am going to analyse his relationship with his family. 

One of his first actions we hear from him is, he killed his first man while protecting his family, when he was 11 years old. Based on your analysis, this explains why he is expecting unlimited support from his mother and sister. He saved their life and as such, they already owe him. Yet he never dared to mention it because they belonged to his family. However, he expected from Yeon Hwa submission and total support therefore he never really paid attention to her motivation and ambition. She betrays him and she lies to him in the episode 11, when she says that all she did was for him. Wang Wook believes her and adds the poisoning as a debt towards him. He does her a favour and expects again total support and submission from her. We all know that he is wrong: Yeon Hwa is much more ambitious, resentful and greedy than he is. As conclusion, this is also the reason why he is misjudging Yeon Hwa's personality. As a result she will never repay her debts towards him.

Then we have lady Hae: he married her because she wanted to. For him, it was an arranged marriage. The business deal was that since she came from a powerful family, he could come back to the palace. Nonetheless. he knew that she loved him, but preferred to ignore it because this would have meant that he would have had more debts towards her than he wanted:

1) He could return to the palace

2) He got love and total devotion from his wife, (but without her confessing to him) 

Therefore he preferred to compensate her by acting like a devoted and loving husband, without giving his heart to her. She is the reason why Wang Wook saw her as a responsability. She was his biggest creditor. This explains why he didn't want to get divorced or take another wife because these actions would have been added on his list as credits. So when she was about to die, she confessed to him, how she fell in love with him. This confession illustrates that lady Hae could never talk freely to him and share her feelings towards him. She had to suppress these feelings all this time and in my opinion, it was deliberate from Wang Wook. He didn't want to owe her too much. Then she stopped him from confessing to her. By doing so, she gave him one more reason to be endebted towards her. As a result, the amount of his debts towards her had increased again: the declared love and she never asked for his feelings in return. The question is: did he really love lady Hae? In my opinion, he felt remorse that she had died leaving him behind with this huge debts towards her. Then he keeps visiting her grave, even with Hae Soo, as if his visit to her grave would reduce the amount of his debts. Thus he learnt from Hae Soo that his wife was the one who read the poem to her so that he realised that his wife was well aware of his feelings for Hae Soo. In order to reduce the amount of his debts towards her, he pledged that he would love Hae Soo with the love he should have given to her. Hae Soo becomes for him a tool and all this points out that Wang Wook feels remorse towards lady Hae. 

What about Hae Soo? Why did he say that she belonged to him (episode 4), while she was actually part of his wife's family? The answer is that since he killed the man in the episode 2 and he had declared, he would take care of her (episode 1), he definitely saw her as a person who owes him. He had saved her life and had declared he would help her. Besides, he consoled her and took care of her scar. Therefore she belonged to him. As exchange for this, he asked for her smile, jokes and affection. So this would explain why he didn't want to marry her sooner. She was not just fun, she also had to repay for her debts. Therefore he thought, he saw himself as her big creditor. Yet their relationship started changing because he noticed that he had fallen in love with her. Hence he got so upset and depressed and in my opinion, that's the moment she became more a burden. Being in love means that you want to show it and give that love to the person. The rescue in the episode 4 made him realise that love is connected to responsability and committment so that it can be viewed as a burden. Hence he is cold towards Hae Soo after the rescuing. He even avoids her for a while. Yet at the end of the day, he can't fight for his feelings any longer. From that moment, he thinks that if he can see her smile, this will be enough. She makes him happy. He doesn't need to make a real committment. Buying herbs so that she can make soap is another way to make him happy while watching her at a certain distance. Moreover, he uses Hae Soo's soaps to get love and support from his mother. Thus he is asking for Hae Soo's love now. So he bought her a lot of herbs and made her happy, unconsciously he is asking for something in return: her love. This is where the poem intervenes. He wants to know about her feelings towards him. By doing so, he is binding Hae Soo to him, without making a big committment. He doesn't want to be the giving part, I mean, the one who gives more than he receives. Just like you said, he doesn't want to give more than he needs to. Therefore even after his wife's death, he doesn't think, he needs to marry Hae Soo. Since she owes him, she will never leave his side. He knows, she loves him and that's enough. 

However, due to the forced marriage to the king, Wang Wook realises that he is about to lose Hae Soo and his happiness. After his failed attempt to stop the marriage, Wang Wook is hurt because Hae Soo had to save herself in order to stop the marriage, so that the debts Hae Soo owed him changed: she risked her life and as such, she owes him less. In order to secure his ownership over her, he gives her the bracelet. By covering the scar with the bracelet, he is not only trying to claim her as his possession (she is unaware of it), but he is also attempting to erase the scar so that it could be seen as if her debts towards him was still bigger than it actually is. Moreover, he doesn't want to be reminded that he owes her more than she does, since he didn't help her as promised.

However, he becomes happy again because he can still see her and her smiles. Her affection hasn't changed at all. He can still meet her in secret. Therefore he accepts the changed situation much easilier than Wang So who is worried about her. He is still the one who receives more than he gives. But Wang Wook starts having a hard time because he sees Hae Soo less than before (episode 8). To me, since he doesn't see her so often, this makes him realise that it is not what her position as court lady isn't that great. Now, he gets aware that she needs to come back to his home. Notice that he doesn't ask for her hand. He only talks about buying herbs for her so that she can make soap again. From my point of view, he wants to return to their relationship like in the past. She is with him, but she is not his wife or concubine. She is just a person who will make him happy. Deep down, he doesn't want to commit himself. He knows that Hae Soo's status doesn't contribute to give him more power. He would be the one who gives more than he receives. Yet during the rain ritual, he observes that Hae Soo is only looking at Wang So and it does bother him. Moreover, she is thinking a lot about Wang So in front of him. He starts feeling threatened, afraid of losing her so that he decides to do two things:

- he confesses his love to her (a big commitment to him!)

- he gives her a present (the book)

I also noticed that before he meets her to give him the present, he sighes, underlining that Hae Soo is considered by him as a burden. So he loves her but to a certain extent as he views his relationship with her as debtor and creditor. The reason he is giving her two things (confession, the book) is:

- He has to announce her that she can't leave the palace. He has failed again.

- He wants to secure her affections due to Wang So.

The bottom of the line is that his list of debts towards Hae Soo is getting longer. He keeps promising things he can not make true. As such, she is the one who gives more than he gives, but he wants to overlook it. Nonetheless, he is afraid of losing her. 

Because Hae Soo is having these visions, she gets scared and urges him to make her leave the palace. She never asks for marriage, yet when Wang Wook realises that Wang So is pursuing Hae Soo, this changes the whole situation. He needs to commit himself this time as he realises that he might lose her to Wang So. From that moment, he is forced to ask for her hand. He was already upset that Hae Soo had left the palace without telling him ("how could she?"). This illustrates that he considers Hae Soo as inferior to him:

- She owes him (as she promised to stay by his side),

- She is now just a court lady 

As conclusion, Wang So is the trigger for the proposal. If Wang Wook hadn't witnessed them together, this wouldn't have happened. But he doesn't feel the urge to ask directly for her hand, I mean, he doesn't visit the king immediately. He waits again. 

So the question is: why did he abandon her? It is not just because, like you said, he wants to protect his family. He only thinks of the perspective what he will gain from it. He notices that Hae Soo's love for him has wavered. She is more worried about Wang So than herself. He has noticed that she has someone else in her mind. He feels insecure. Moreover, he had never really given up the ambition to become king (see episode 9, where he is talking to himself about the seat he should fit in!). From my point of view, Yeon Hwa's words made him realise that he would lose more with Hae Soo than gain. He is doubting about her love, he wants to become the king deep down... moreover, he doesn't want to be more endebted to Hae Soo. His sister is the reason for her arrest. IF this was to be revealed, he and his sister would owe her more. He can not let that happen. By hiding the truth, he is trying to keep his debts towards Hae Soo small.

When he visits her at the end of the episode 11, he can't make a committment again because

- he is feeling guilty

- he can be punished by his father

- he loses the opportunity to become the king as Hae Soo has become a burden as court lady. If he commits himself to her in public, he will never be able to get support from other clans. He needs a more powerful wife.

Here again, his thinking is: will he lose more or win more by supporting Hae Soo? His answer is: he will lose more that's why he betrays her one more time. Does he love her in the end? Since he is only seeing it from a debt-credit aspect, we can only say that his love is not deep enough. For him, love is a burden... which reveals how selfish Wang Wook is despite his gentle and caring behaviour.

I really love this drama!!    

 

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Thank you for your brilliant analysis! Hope you continue to be inspired to write more for us. You don't mind us becoming debtors, right?

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2 hours ago, Adnana said:

 

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@chi13lou Thanks for the compliment!! I am glad that my writing is appreciated. But this is also thanks to @40somethingahjumma. She was the one who pointed out the aspect of debts/creditors.

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2 hours ago, Adnana said:

@ruizaio Love all the historical tidbits. Maybe you can clear this up for me as well:

1) I get that the Chungju Yu would support a prince of their own bloodline to sit on the throne--but once Yo (So's older brother) got that position, why would the Yu clan support So against his older brother of the same clan and also the current king? Just because So seemed more competent? 

2) Is there any historical basis for the speculation I've seen around the thread, that it was the Hwangbo princess herself who engineered the marriage to So by getting him drunk, sleeping with him, and asking the King to decree marriage the next morning?

 

1) Yo was adamant about moving the capital to Seokyeong (Pyungyang today) when he became king and forced some Songak (Gaesung today) residents to move there for labor. This made him very unpopular so that when he died, people openly cheered. Records say he got sick after being startled by thunder and relinquished the throne to So, but early Goryeo records were burned then reconstituted later, so details were fudged to please whoever held the crown at the time. This is why I don't believe Wang Gyu (Eun's grandfather in SHR) actually revolted against Hyejong (Crown Prince now in SHR), when another daughter of his was married to Hyejong. Wang Yo and So probably just framed him to justify themselves. Since a scholar of the time who was largely critical of Wang So made those evaluations about their personalities I wrote in my previous post, I think it was evident to most people that Wang So was a better fit for the crown than Wang Yo.

2) I have posted about it here before, and it is one of those unofficial records in history. I personally don't think it's true because it is evident that the Goryeo royalty intermarried on purpose. I don't think SHR will use that story, either. Either way, everything and anything Wang So does in SHR is to save and protect Hae Soo.

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Scarlet Heart Wins Hearts and Ratings

 

 

Fans of South Korean dramas in Malaysia and Singapore have fallen in love with Scarlet Heart, the epic adaptation of the popular Chinese period drama, currently airing on ONE.

 

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The series premiered same-time-as-Korea on August 29 and since then has consistently won the 9pm timeslot each Monday and Tuesday evening, doubling the timeslot ratings and dominating with a 73 percent share among the four Korean General Entertainment channels.  In fact, ONE was rated the top international pay-TV channel in Malaysia and Singapore collectively during the premiere airing of the first nine episodes of Scarlet Heart.*

Source: Kantar Media Singapore, Kantar Media Malaysia Astro RPD
* Consolidated rating of the premiere telecast slot of the first 9 episodes
** Live rating of ONE during Aug 29 – Sep 20, 2016 vs Jul 1 – Aug 28, 2016

Virginia Lim, Senior Vice President and Head of Content, Production & Marketing, Sony Pictures Television Networks, Asia said, “The outstanding ratings bear testimony to ‘Scarlet Heart”s strong appeal to fans of both Korean and Asian dramas in this region, particularly for those who have seen the original Chinese series. Many are curious and excited to see how the Korean adaptation will reinvigorate the original series, especially in light of its young and popular ensemble cast”.

 

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“The extensive promotional and publicity efforts by ONE – including the fan meeting with one of the leading men Kang Ha Neul – undoubtedly further raised awareness and bolster anticipation of the programme here.  Moreover, the thrill of being able to catch the drama at the same time as Korea for the first time ever in Southeast Asia has helped to boost Scarlet Heart’s ratings,” she added.

Helmed by a star-studded cast, Scarlet Heart builds on the same premise as the original Chinese series but is based on the Korean Goryeo dynasty instead of the Chinese Qing dynasty.  Headlining the series as female protagonist is singer-songwriter and actress Lee Ji Eun (IU), whose character is catapulted back in time from the modern era.  In the past, she finds herself trapped within a web of political intrigue and complicated love lines involving the princes of Goryeo, who are played by Lee Joon Ki, Kang Ha Neul, Hong Jong Hyun, Baek Hyun of K-pop boyband EXO, Nam Joo Hyuk, and Ji Soo.  Rounding off the ensemble cast are rookie actress Kang Han Na and idol-actress Seo Hyun of Girl’s Generation fame, who will both play princesses.

The South Korean remake is led by director Kim Kyu Tae, whose past works include acclaimed series such as That Winter, the Wind Blows.  Scarlet Heart will be fully pre-produced for a 20-episode run and has moved into post-production after filming wrapped in August.

 

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Mid-Season Marathon: Relive the Romance!

Fans who wish to relive the romance and intense drama of Scarlet Heart can catch up on the series through the mid-season marathon on Sunday, October 2 from 12.45pm until 1am (Monday morning, October 3).  The first 11 episodes will be available for binge watching back-to-back. Join the action and live tweet with fellow Scarlet Heart fans by using #ONEScarletHeart

New episodes of Scarlet Heart premieres every Monday and Tuesday at 9pm, first and exclusively on ONE, Astro Ch 393.

ONE is available in Malaysia on ONE HD, Astro Ch 393. Viewers can also catch their favourite shows on OD and on Astro on the Go.

http://k-popped.com/2016/09/scarlet-heart-wins-hearts-and-ratings/

one more article about our drama succes in others countries...i'm happy for the team