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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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3 hours ago, greenwatch08 said:

MN is a maniac & wicked tool. I really hope nothing happens to the son. TY hurt & angry in the spur of the moment & ML somewhat muddled in this whole ordeal makes me :unsure:. Oh these cuties.

 

If I can manifest myself into this show I'd beat the daylights out of TY's stepmom & aunties. TY literally helped third brother out of prison but the stepmom continues to be an ungrateful turd.

Isn't the son drop dead already or I'm missing something?

 

1 hour ago, Suzzy San said:

Wow.. I just want to clap for whoever wrote this masterpiece and gemlike post.. like.. Omg such a vast and broad view.. Sorry for cutting the post.. Just wanted to say this was the part that hit me the most, intellectually he understands her as the big madam of the house, but emotionally he is not able to fathom that the wife he loves dearly is OK with him taking another woman to bed right under her nose.. So he is unable to see her forced 'I'm ok'.. And also ML also thinks he understands her predicaments but doesn't really know that, this string and cunning marquis is someone so sensitive to the matters of the heart.. What an interesting piece.. Seriously, I thank you for this post. :thumbsup::heart:

There's a misunderstanding between them and they need to talk it out. But I doubt even if GTY speaks out loud that he loves her and will protect her through anything, ML still can not fully let herself loose. A man's promise on loving forever is the last thing to trust. However, ML can be more natural and comfortable in front of GTY.

 

It's the problem of that era. No women want to share their husband but they had to pretend to be happy otherwise bad reputation for being jealousy (Jealousy is one of women's 7 great sins and a man can divorce his wife if she got jealous and forbid him to have concubine). All the women know that. All the men know that but pretend not to. It was a distorted time.

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5 hours ago, doubleicon said:

It's honestly so irrating, like just say you're bias towards GTY and move on. lol the same person, just keeps saying the same thing and its like okay we get it, GTY is the big bad wolf to you, ok alright, what's new. jeez. 

 

Yes, I like GTY, and I am defending him. QH irritates me to no end so I'm criticizing him. So? Other people can be biased towards QH and defend QH try to find faults in my favorite character, who I think does nothing wrong, to make QH looks good, I don't agree with it, so I'm defending him.

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I think both of your opinions are valid. However, I agree with yours more though because QH's behavior keeps harming ML and it's annoying me. 

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14 hours ago, Lunkera said:

viki.com which is the official translation 

Ok and this is just another option if wanted .......if not move along.......

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2 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I dont think his mother died at his both didnt his mother die while she was pregnant with the second child? GTY was still young then im pretty sure or was that how the book went and im pretty sure she was like 7 or lower when she lost her mum .

Oh I must have missed that then, and as I have never read the book its hard to follow everything its so intense

it would be so fantastic if I could read the book but its only in chinese therefore with a translator it would take me years to read

I love  this story

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2 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I dont think his mother died at his both didnt his mother die while she was pregnant with the second child? GTY was still young then im pretty sure or was that how the book went and im pretty sure she was like 7 or lower when she lost her mum .

No he was a little toddler when she passed away.

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I missed that he was a toddler when she died

8 minutes ago, Serena H. said:

No he was a little toddler when she passed away.

 

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6 hours ago, dramaninja said:

Really who cares if  he knew QH still like her?Thats irrelevant since he threw away that change with her and marry someone else she was not going to go though any of that with him again.


She is not some consolation prize thats always going to be there waiting.GTY knew what an amazing women she was so he went to extraordinary lengths to marry her.

 

She was happy/angry at  what he did because no one has ever went that far for her.She knew he someone like her that she can count on and make plans with.


But what is most importantly she can be herself and he really loves that side of her.He treats her as an equal.

I agree @dramaninja... 

 

5 hours ago, minglan1 said:

I loved the empress in episode 54.She unlike her husband is a smart lady who recognized the intelligence of ML.Empress asked ML to help patch up the differences between her brother and his wife.Doing so  would also restore the reputation of ML which was torn to shreds by the daughter of Duke of Ying.

What better way than to let the one who embarrasses you restore your honor.

 

Marquis Gu and Marchioness Minglan are still busy with trying to make the other understand what love means in their respective dictionary.

They can serve as a perfect case study on what are the barriers to effective communication.:lol:

 

The master's woes in love is soon to befall Shitou too.Xiaotao is unhappy with him and is even planning to forsake the fried cherries he gets for her.:D

 

Evil stepmom has found her soul sister in Aunty Kang to step up her plotting.Add ED to the mix and the evil recipe to bring down the power couple is almost ready.

 

 

@minglan1  XiaoTao and Shitou are a cute couple. Shitou is following his master courtship plan to woo XiaoTao through her stomach. I wonder if XiaoTao knows she is being courted. 

5 hours ago, m0us3y said:

Let's face it. Every character in the show is flawed, one way or another. Makes them human. Makes them more relatable. 

 

GTY is far from a saint. Or a gentleman. 

In fact, when ML called him evil, a ruffian and a scoundrel, he didn't even rebuke her. 

Because he knows its not untrue. 

He schemed his way into marrying her. 

Man to man, bro to bro, I wouldn't disagree that he let QH down. Pretentious, playing dumb with him. But it's calculated move. 

He seems to be fully aware that QH will be angry, and it seems that he made a choice, and take the risk of losing his friendship with QH for ML. 

 

Whether or not he truly will help QH when he made the offer to him previously becomes irrelevant, because fact is, QH didn't choose that, we would never know. It will always be a what-if zone. Maybe he will. Maybe he won't.

 

One thing I do like about GTY. He takes responsibility when he sees his mistakes. He admits his mistakes, and try to mend his ways, and make up for it.

He does that with his children. 

He doesn't see his action as a mistake. It was a conscious choice. 

 

One difference between GTY and QH. 

GTY has never said he does anything for ML. 

When he schemed his way through to marry her, he said "to get you". "Determined to get you, the trouble I went to get this marriage."

When he truly does something for her, protecting her, no one needs to know, no rewards required. 

While QH claimed to do things for ML, it was never for her benefit, and she has never benefited from it. All he has done is caused her harm, and yet in his head, he believes it's for her. 

 

At the end of the day, It comes down to choices that each makes. 

And those choices are driven by priorities. 

Sometimes, there are no bad person, but all victims nonetheless. 

QH was a victim of his circumstances, and of his naivete. 

He has his priorities. He made his choice to let ML go. Arguably, his circumstances left him with little choice, but sometimes, until we try it, we will never know how the path will end...

GTY made his choice, to fight for her. He made her his priority over his friendship with QH. 

 

Whether the choices they made was good or bad, it depends on which and whose pov we take. 

 

I love GTY’s character because even though he is flawed he always takes responsibility for his actions.  I noticed some fans think GTY is taking advantage of the Emperor but I see it so differently.  TBH , the Emperor is kind , paranoid and very cautious. Maybe some dislike the way  he goes about it but his intentions aren’t to do harm to others but about survival. He spent his entire life fighting to survive. I sometimes wonder if the assassination attempt on GTY when he was young was the only assassination attempt. If it wasn’t, it wasn’t shown but wouldn’t it explain why GTY grew up the way he did by manipulating things to get his way. I see a man who believes he can never get what he wants the honest way so he had to work the hardest to grant his wishes. 

What do you think chingu’s

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5 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

I love GTY’s character because even though he is flawed he always takes responsibility for his actions.  I noticed some fans think GTY is taking advantage of the Emperor but I see it so differently.  TBH , the Emperor is kind , paranoid and very cautious. Maybe some dislike the way  he goes about it but his intentions aren’t to do harm to others but about survival. He spent his entire life fighting to survive. I sometimes wonder if the assassination attempt on GTY when he was young was the only assassination attempt. If it wasn’t, it wasn’t shown but wouldn’t it explain why GTY grew up the way he did by manipulating things to get his way. I see a man who believes he can never get what he wants the honest way so he had to work the hardest to grant his wishes. 

What do you think chingu’s

@UnniSarah  Yes I also love his flawed stright to the point character, GTY hold nothing back, Sometimes he has to do things in ways of manipulation in the court but it's not to hurt anyone nor do the King understands all the things that goes on until GTY breaks it down and explain it to him.. One would think by now he'll be running the court without the dowager posted up behind him.. 

 

The assasination attempt on his life was just as it was to kill him.. And even now Evil step mom and his mom family wishes him to be dead.. They'll do everything within there power to try and take everything from ML..  Luckily she'll give birth to more then one heir.. I'm looking forward to them all finding out she's pregnant and what lengths step mom would go through to have her miscarry maybe evem wishes to finish her off..   

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1 hour ago, Sirry Usly said:

I think both of your opinions are valid. However, I agree with yours more though because QH's behavior keeps harming ML and it's annoying me. 

Some people just get too heated when their biased are talked about. That’s why I steer clear from playing favorites in dramas and look from a perspective of every angle of their circumstances that shapes their character, and how each character affects the choices that are made. I know they all have faults and not a saint that does no wrong. Even our heroine has her moments too. 

 

 

EPISODE 53: 

I can’t stop laughing at GTY. He is so childish making the defenseless sleeping beauty ML smell his dirty socks. :joy: I’m literally dying. I thought he would draw on her face next as well. And when ML woke up to GTY her smile was so cute I was awed that she was very pleased to wake up with hubby by her side and didn’t sleep with the concubine. I was grinning. That’s how you do it GTY. In fact I think that concubine brought them closer. ML getting the taste of what it’s like giving her man to another woman. ML wakes up and asked GTY why he’s in her room? My my ML were you dreaming last night? 

 

I am really surprised Ml opened up to QH wife. She had a heart to heart conversation with her. But I see her motives because she sees QH wife have her motives too. She doesn’t want anymore unnecessary fights with those who were just used to wrongly accused and trouble ML and GTY. Even though QH wife understands, one thing though that I feel ML shouldn’t have done was to confront QH. 

Even though all things have been said and done, she really doesn’t need to tell QH, to stop loving her. Even if she’s doing it to reassure his wife and for QH benefit... You can’t force someone to stop loving you just as no one can force ML to forget the grudge on her mother. QH may never forget ML in his lifetime just as ML won’t forget her mother in her lifetime.

 

Whether it’s ML, GTY, QH wife, or his parents no one has the right to take away what he holds in his heart. He is after all the one who has to confront his inner demons and his broken heart.. It’s unfortunate though that he doesn’t have his trusted aid any longer nor a CB in his life that’ll be there to listen to him, to guide him, and to comfort him without ridiculing him nor judging him. Thus, he could only find solace in his work and face his inner demons alone. ZYLs explosive reaction was really spot on of someone who has been holding it in during the confrontation with GTY and with ML. I think he needs a few chopsticks and pottery to smash, that’ll do him a little good. 

 

GTY also had his predicaments. He rose above it but like ML said every man wants to live his life in peace and when they have hatred and grudges it is like blade slicing through the heart everyday of their life. GTY and ML should know first hand that it takes time to heal, forgive, and forget. That’s why I’m glad our girl ML, understands that it takes QH time as well... She was only pissed when QH tried to hug her, that’s why I believe she really didn’t need to confront him anymore and let time do all the healing and his own self reflecting. 

 

When QH yelled he regret everyday and shouted all the things he regretted rings a bell to my head. These exact words were the knife that GTY sliced through his heart... I feel that if only GTY would have not disregarded QH feelings, perhaps if I were in his shoes I would totally be the first to say I’m sorry. I’m sorry that I also fell in love with ML. You can hate me, curse me, punch me. Let it out but I assure you that your love for her, I will pay it double and taking her from you wouldn’t be in vain. I’m sure if GTY had confronted QH in that manner as heart to heart man to man brother to brother. Possibly they would’ve come to an understanding. And ML wouldn’t need to confront QH. But I guess ML is the voice of reason who to do a better job to let QH know what’s up.

Just like when ML was frank with QH wife... I think she did a good job. She really knows how to win someone. 

Firtstly you don’t accuse them of something whether they are guilty or not...

Second, you don’t retaliate with scornful words. Third, you get them to sympathize with you. And last, show that you have a common goal and is beneficial to both.

 

 

I could not sit through the scenes of Aunty Kang and stepmom. Stepmom really knows how to borrow someone’s knife without dirtying her hands. Aunty Kang looks like she can murder someone with her hands and wouldn’t flinch. 

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QH and his Ms.Shen are a compatible couple.Both can't handle their problems and need to vent/irk the person they believe has wronged them.

They are perfect examples of children of rich nobles who hold themselves in high esteem and thus any problem coming their way is due to someone else.

 

The contrast between them and the Gu pair is sharply drawn. ML has no patience for people who can't see things in perspective and bring her trouble.Having experienced what being cherished truly means by GTY she wouldn't cut QH any slack for troubling him.

When the time comes she will go to any lengths to fight for GTY as she did for her mom.

 

Witnessing that would comfort Marquis Gu's heart forever. He is fiercely loyal to the people who care and stand by him.

He wouldn't bat an eyelid to face the harshest of situation to make sure ML can be safe and sound.

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, minglan1 said:

QH and his Ms.Shen are a compatible couple.Both can't handle their problems and need to vent/irk the person they believe has wronged them.

They are perfect examples of children of rich nobles who hold themselves in high esteem and thus any problem coming their way is due to someone else.

 

It’s actually sad, because their society taught them inequality. Even though some of the philosophies /teachings they learn hold high moral values and worldly views of life. It’s embedded to them the difference and treatment of high and low birth. 

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1 hour ago, cherubstomato said:

It’s actually sad, because their society taught them inequality. Even though some of the philosophies /teachings they learn hold high moral values and worldly views of life. It’s embedded to them the difference and treatment of high and low birth. 

So true.Even though QH firmly believes in this he overlooked it only in ML's case.He wouldn't have accorded the status to ML's mom as GTY did.I believe GTY did make ML fall for him at that instance when he accepted her mom as his MIL.

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The radical departure of QH's character from the book is the only thing I am disliking about this drama adaptation. In the book he took his heartbreak like a man, went to a bar, got drunk, got over it and moved on, like most guys would even today.

 

The drama QH goes for unnecessary second lead soulful heartbreak which just strays too far from realism. I understand the need for conflict and tension in the drama but I wish it was just political differences without ML in the center. It takes so much away from QH who had his flaws but was otherwise such a great character. 

 

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In the king's court all the officials hold a white narrow tablet in their hand.What is the significance of this? 

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44 minutes ago, mooose said:

The radical departure of QH's character from the book is the only thing I am disliking about this drama adaptation. In the book he took his heartbreak like a man, went to a bar, got drunk, got over it and moved on, like most guys would even today.

 

The drama QH goes for unnecessary second lead soulful heartbreak which just strays too far from realism. I understand the need for conflict and tension in the drama but I wish it was just political differences without ML in the center. It takes so much away from QH who had his flaws but was otherwise such a great character. 

 

Yes agree. I believe it’s partly his parents mostly mothers fault for sheltering him all his life. That he doesn’t even have a single friend he can cry on their shoulder. It would’ve done him good to sit down to talk with some drinks like GTY and that Shen guy having some therapy sessions lol. The last thing QH needs or anyone for that matter is the person he hates to see the most confront him and the woman who is the reason for his pain to scold him... I really hope he opens up to his wife, and find comfort in her. Since she seems level headed enough to not hold any unfounded grudge on ML.

 

EPISODE 53: 

I don’t know why I can’t take it seriously and laugh whenever GTY and ML bicker like old married couple. :joy:

if I were ML personal maid I would’ve busted my richard simmons off laughing at ML retorts to GTY. She is very clear minded but also very simple. GTY face in disbelief cracks me up. :joy: Maybe their attennas are not working because they can’t channel into each other’s mind anymore like before when they weren’t married. Lol

 

ML wins again in winning people over. It’s refreshing to see ML encouraging woman instead of plotting against each other. I see now how she climbs up to be the woman amongst woman. They will surely admire her in the end... 

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In episode 52, the conversation between ML and Danju really drove home some really sad truths. 

 

Women, in general, could never expect an equal relationship. If she isn't pregnant, she should let the husband take in women who could help with the propagation of the family bloodline. 

When she gets pregnant, she will be once again forced to take in more women to "serve" the husband while she's pregnant. 

That's their fate....

 

And worse, is the fate of the servants..

Danju went as far as offering themselves to serve GTY when ML gets pregnant so that no other spies/woman would come to the household. 

When Molan made the grave mistake, the maidservants were beaten to death. 

When QH displeased his mom, Buwei was beaten to death. 

Their life is worth as much as whatever the master deemed it to be. 

XiaoTao, Danju and CuiWei are all very "lucky" for ML cares for them, and wouldn't sacrifice them for her own benefit, but it does show how sad the fate of servants can be. 

 

Comparatively, human to human, QH's fate is far more fortunate. Born as Di, son of Duke, he could pursue his dreams. He has a say in his life. He could to some extent, control his own fate. And he would never have to share his wife with other men. 

 

I used QH as comparison, and not GTY because QH has been moping around, blaming fate for the lost of his love. But really, looking at the bigger picture, comparatively, he hasn't lost that much...but he wouldn't be able to see that, because he was born entitled at the very first place. 

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13 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

In episode 52, the conversation between ML and Danju really drove home some really sad truths. 

 

Women, in general, could never expect an equal relationship. If she isn't pregnant, she should let the husband take in women who could help with the propagation of the family bloodline. 

When she gets pregnant, she will be once again forced to take in more women to "serve" the husband while she's pregnant. 

That's their fate....

 

And worse, is the fate of the servants..

Danju went as far as offering themselves to serve GTY when ML gets pregnant so that no other spies/woman would come to the household. 

When Molan made the grave mistake, the maidservants were beaten to death. 

When QH displeased his mom, Buwei was beaten to death. 

Their life is worth as much as whatever the master deemed it to be. 

XiaoTao, Danju and CuiWei are all very lucky for ML cares for them, and wouldn't sacrifice them for her own benefit, but it does show how sad the fate of servants can be. 

 

Comparatively, human to human, QH's fate is far more fortunate. Born as Di, son of Duke, he could pursue his dreams. He has a say in his life. He could to some extent, control his own fate. And he would never have to share his wife with other men. 

 

I used QH as comparison, and not GTY because QH has been moping around, blaming fate for the lost of his love. But really, looking at the bigger picture, comparatively, he hasn't lost that much...but he wouldn't be able to see that, because he was born entitled at the very first place. 

Well said.Women and slaves/servants were no better than second class citizen to be placed wherever the men in charge of their fate drove them too.The ones who could skillfully  manipulate had hope for a modicum of decent life.Thus we see so much of ruthless kitchen politics in the inner households.Be smart and cunning to survive or perish.

Equality, fairness was nothing more than a jargon.

Even if there was an intention to overcome the barriers from a man the society in those times disapproved such a move.It would make it difficult for the man to keep his resolve even if he wished.

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The one thing that has impressed me about TSoML is the treatment of female characters. From the villainous upperclass women to the lowly servants, there's alot of depth to them.

 

ML's characterization has been great. I love how ML seamlessly treads through struggles while staying upright. I've seen many dramas where female characters are put in awful situation that demeans their character so ML has been such a breathe of fresh air. She's so competent & smart. I like that she's still in the process of growing & learning. Her relationship w/TY is icing on the cake. 

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2 hours ago, mooose said:

The radical departure of QH's character from the book is the only thing I am disliking about this drama adaptation. In the book he took his heartbreak like a man, went to a bar, got drunk, got over it and moved on, like most guys would even today.

 

The drama QH goes for unnecessary second lead soulful heartbreak which just strays too far from realism. I understand the need for conflict and tension in the drama but I wish it was just political differences without ML in the center. It takes so much away from QH who had his flaws but was otherwise such a great character. 

 

My POV QT's behaviour changs in d novel and drama prolly to relate more to current viewers behaviours? Those days it cld be unacceptable or even disastrous to express feelings so openly like QH. Wrongly interpreted or falling into wrong ears may even cost them their heads. Imagine who else can QH safely express his unsettled feelings if not to ML?

 

Today we r more civil in our approaches, more connected, we even have the luxury to pay psychiatrist to listen to our woes..

 

First love is never easy to forget 

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