[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[violet90 21,973]

@valsava 

WW is the only hope she have to get away.. i think in eps 10 she will know its not going to happen with WW and broke off with him.. pretty sure WW screaming her name in her room..

love is blind my friend...

[thenagain 1,089]

2 hours ago, Nymeria289 said:

The editors are also deabak, I mean give them a medal for royally screwing up a re-edit. Why edit the second kiss out from the SBS version?? Why?? The OTP is your selling point and to cut them out.

Tbh I think the SBS version was a better version for Wang Soo x Hae Soo fans. In the international versions sure they kiss twice but she also fights him and pulls away in that version. It makes the whole kiss seem much more forced and uncomfortable. At least in my opinion.

3 hours ago, valsava said:

WW always a day late and a dollar short, He's the whole soda short of a happy meal..

haha this was awesome. I couldn't agree more.

2 hours ago, TeBe said:

This poor man being so hungry for being loved and the moment he thought he was accepted by his mother and brothers, he finds out the mother is just trying to use him to kill CP and help his older brother become a king? then after refusing the deal he looks for someone to give him a hug and shoulder to cry on. But he is being rejected and treated like a dangerous "animal", the thing he hates the most, from the person who adores the most. 

 

I think what is even worse about Hae Soo's sudden fear is that it happens AFTER he removes his mask. All his life, So believed it was the scar and his mask that made him a monster. It was the reason his mother and brothers rejected him and the main reason he was sent away to rot. When Hae Soo removed it, I think he honestly believed that he could start again, that he didn't have to be feared or reviled any longer; that he was finally capable of being loved by somebody. And that's why he sought her out. From So's perspective her rejection in that moment means it wasn't the superficial scar that terrified her but some deeper internal defection. He feels even more unlovable and just as monsterish as before and I think that's part of why he reacts so possessively claiming her as an object rather than trying to claim her affection. Poor So just wants to be loved and doesn't know how.

Honestly, Hae Soo and her two loves remind me of quote from Anna Karenina "I think if there are as many minds as there are men, then there are as many kinds of love as there are hearts."

Maybe Wang So approaches people in a way that most find aggressive or possessive but its just because he doesn't know how to express his feelings. He's not like Wook. He's not good with words or emotions, he doesn't know how to woo a woman - he's a very physical and very intuitive person so he tried to show her his feelings in the only method he understood. It was desperate and raw just like him. Obviously it's not going to go over well with Hae Soo but he'll learn from that experience. At least she knows how he feels about her now.

Personally, I think Wook and Soo are winding down. The scene @qwenli recapped of Hae Soo with Wook where she hugs wook and thinks to herself: "I dont want you to worry, so I am telling you to wait, but i think our path wont cross again," is a strong indication of that. Seems like such a major turning point in their relationship because even though Wang Wook hasn't let go but it appears Hae Soo already is starting to. BUT I don't think she will be able to completely break it off until she learns to stop relying on Wook as a her human crutch. Literally she tells Wook all of her fears in her panic and it's seems unfair. To prejudice his brother against him when he has yet to do anything wrong! She's leading the brothers into their battle not away from it. I wish she was more self-aware.

I know a lot of people are saying the don't blame Hae Soo for this because of her visions. To me these seem more like her realizations or memories of history being played out visually for the audience rather than a psychic vision. I don't think she can see the future, she's only remembering what she knows (or think she knows). Her panic is all self-made. I wish she'd listened more to Ji mong.

 

[blue003 1,094]

They say that for a relationship to grow, the lovers have to go through fire. Even though Hae Soo knew that WS had killed people to survive, thanks to her visions, the penny just now only dropped on her... She now has to stay with a killer(in her eyes)  and somehow make him 'good' and give up on Ww. This will be the starting point for losing her innocence. On the other hand, because of her pushing away, Ww may misunderstand and end up giving in to his dark side---allying with the wrong brother and fighting for the throne.

[junee22 3,693]

Oh dear @whyo you sure made my day when you said you watch MLSHR with your parents..thank you for sharing that

@blue003 I'd love it if your theory is right..we will see that when it really happens..very soon I guess.

Oh..and I've read from the recaps..here's one more thing that I think one of the reasons why the kiss scene at sbs ver only once..becoz in sbs ver there's a scene where HS once again put makeup on WS..and then lady Oh came?(I forget..too many pages to read lol) But then when I read @qwenli recap..she didn't mention it at all..so I guessed she watch the int.ver (and I was right..@qwenli said herself). And thus int.ver got 2 kiss scenes..and sbs only got one. I need to watch the eps my self now (to ensure how good is LJG kiss..ahahahha..is he practice with her gf maybe?NOOOoo..okay..sorry for that off topic )

Off to bed now..and I'm sure tomorrow I couldn't catch up with all of you..nowadays I can only read the latest pages...hhhhh..gud nite my dear friends

 

[hallyus 2,980]

Sigh, I am wondering whether actually the premonition is based on Ha Jin's knowledge about the history (remember the first time she got that, she couldn't see who is Gwangjong, but the moment she experienced the similar scene, the premonition becomes clearer) or her able to see the future.

I'm a little bit disappointed with Hae Soo's reaction in this episode. I mean she knows how broken Wang So is, her understanding in ep 8 had my hopes high. I can relate the whole "killing all the brothers" is awful, but the writer has overdone this "killing all the brothers" card to create all Hae Soo's fear towards Wang So. Even if that premonition will happen as the way she sees it, there must be a reason why. She said it herself right? The one who can save herself is no one but her. It is the same for the king. For God's sake, ascending to the throne means you need to sacrifice many for your people. It is not all about the power, but you never know when your allies may turn their backs to you.

Seems like Hae Soo can't think straight about this. Her mind is clouded only thinking that all the princes should be happy and stay together, living harmoniously as the modern era. She does not realize that even the betrayal may come from those who share the same blood at that time (lol shouldn't she knew it already? her closest friend betrays her too!). With her knowledge and using it without thinking the effect, unconsciously she already made the other party to have one step in front, leaving Wang So behind. I hate it to see that after all, it is Wang So who struggles by himself at this kind of moment. I was hoping that Hae Soo may console him at his lowest (Don't you see his trembled lips when he just realized that mom being kind to him only wanted to get something from him? And for God's sake, it is their first dinner since I don't know when, the evil mom is just crushed all his hope the moment he think that maybe his life can be better after), yet she avoids him when clearly he needs someone to lean on, when he never had a thought of ascending the throne, when he only thinks that Hae Soo is the only one he has in the world. I don't blame him if he really become ruthless king next because if I were him, I would only think that people must be have ulterior motives for approaching me. 

From the long trailer, it is clear that those people would be divided into two: "Defend the throne vs Snatch the throne". Wang So is clearly on CP's side. Yo is using Wook's jealousy to join ally with him. The sword fight between Wang So and Wang Wook is happened after they divided. Spoiler above:

 

Wang Wook and Wang Yo enter the palace... with military troop?

I guess Wang So is inside the palace, waiting them to come.

Is this really the 8th prince that I know? His look is so different... not the calm Wook anymore?

Crown Prince enters the scene... or is he already ascend as the king at this time? Because all of them is kneeling down only him standing in the crowd. Baek Ah is also there, only he does not wear his war attire. 

View of the same scene, different angle. This one taken from the front gate. They clearly had fight before, notice some of the troop is down already. Yo is being guarded by Crown Prince's military troop. Oh, is that Hae Soo peeking? I think she is in exile, or does King appoint her to be a slave? 

It seems that she's no more 'court lady'. Idk why. 

Still the same scene, I was quite confused but then I realized this scene is taken from the palace angle. CP's Military troop are pointing their swords against Wook and Yo's troop. It's over for them? or for Yo?

About the poison scene that will come next week... it will be a cruel episode for Wang So, but it is okay. Since Hae Soo will realize her love for him. I'll put it under the spoiler!

 

Oh no oh no oh no why it is you who bring the tea out of everybody in the Damiwon!!!  

Wang So is observing his evil mom... She won't stop doing anything for her own good right?

He realizes that something has gone wrong. Something will happen to Hae Soo for sure. A plan needed. Not sure how he can take away the CP's tea tho

After the poisoning. Hae Soo running towards the unconscious So. Argh so heartbroken...

At this time, I hope Hae Soo will really remember what So had said to her, that she is his, and he is hers. So won't let her go and won't allow her to die (if Crown Prince dead bcs Hae Soo, she may be exiled or prosecuted til death)

Guess the other prince arrived at the scene (look the robe color behind: blue, purple). Hae Soo is being blamed for the poisoning since she is Wang So's personal attendant now...

TBC...  

[sarasona 2,419]

2 hours ago, KdramaSwimmer said:

i just cant...  as long as the romance is decent one with no kiss and passionate one... here SHR i am watching with no worry  i know nothing gonna happen here...PDnim hates our OTP..hehehe

there was an incident when I watched Iljimae tree kiss scene..

I was watching it on my laptop having its back to my mom's side...but there is a big glass door at my back and everything on my laptop was clearly reflecting on it and i had no idea it was that way, and she dint know what i was doing on laptop.. when there was the kiss scene, I watched it normally with controlled emotions and grin. But as it finished my mom said how long you gonna watch the drama and i was like how come she know what i am watching. All of a sudden i looked back and did not know how to react.

Hahah I can totally get you.  I wear glasses to make it worse

[littleloony 7,084]

Right so I caught the entire version of the kiss and the lead up to it with the subs thanks to @briseis's post. Aaaaannd Good Heavens!!!!!!!!!!! Why on earth would you blurt out the just the thing that hurts and pierces So to the core Hae Su----- "Go away, you'll ruin everything". The premonitions have caused her to loose her mind??? They were that powerful???

I have never had premonitions/ visions or know of anyone personally who has had them to know how it can affect people but I have had nightmares just like everyone of us and I can say one thing......when you are in the middle of a nightmare you are virtually living it, your perception of the events are real so the feelings you have there in are real......which means if you feel hurt/ terrified/ sad or angry you are actually feeling all of that when you are in a nightmare and I don't think it gets anymore real than that.

So my question remains.......how have those visions made her feel that HS is freaking out at this rate......bad enough to be out of her mind with fear when So comes near her......bad enough that she didn't heed her words and said the worst possible thing to So completely forgetting the exact nature of his trauma. The writers and PD and the editing department better give me rock solid reason as to why she is so affected by those visions when I would have thought that she would seek out Jimong for a better solution/ or cope up formula for them. I for one would be doubting myself on these visions based on how I see Wang So behaving in front of me at the time.....he hasnt shown any brutal or pugnacious side to him recently. Is she freaking out because she knew about his reputation as Wolf Dog and thinks that he might revert???

[Artheusa 1,688]

I'm guessing they edited out some parts of the forced kiss in the SBS version to make the scene look less violent and to prevent the viewers from turning cold over otp's relationship. International one was surely more intense, but much more saddening as well. How can you fall in love with someone in a situation like this.. I'm waiting for Ws to talk about his history and his upbringing to Hs so she can be clued into why he's the way he is. 

Btw it's raining cats and dogs where I live. Ws's rain ritual worked miracles here as well ^___^

[clarissasan 992]

After I thought about it, Hae Soo's reaction is completely normal. Remember that everything she did to become friends with So was before her 'vision'. All her kind words and promise to him (that she'll not going to change her perspective about him) all happened before.

She didn't know anything about him, and yeahh actually based on So's past we can call him a murderer for sure

 

She was going to the garden at night with horrible feeling, wanted some fresh air alone and there was So right behind him whom now she thought as murderer. And then the backhug.....hmm....let's think if a girl being backhugged by someone who is murderer, of course the girl will freak out. But all of the words she said I assumed was the result of mixed feeling (panic, terrified, but need to say something in order to prevent the tragedy) 

I see how So's really disappointed and it's so sad :''( 

But i think their relationship will gonna be okay in the next episode

Ahhhhh can't wait 

[MadraRua 19,962]

 

Can't stop listening to this song...  

I haven't fully processed what happened in episode 9 yet. BUT I'm not disappointed in Hae Soo. She has not regressed but is digesting her new revelations in the only way she can. This is all part of the natural progression of their love line. She was blissfully ignorant of Wang So's future role as Gwangjong in the beginning but at some stage this rather large obstacle has to be dealt with. Might as well do it now. My only regret is her brush off of Wang So's feelings. She really hurt him when she backed away in fear.. but Wang So has declared her HIS. He will not let her get away. He will show her the depth of his love and she in turn will reciprocate those feelings eventually.

I have complete faith in writer-nim. Just not the editing team.. why the heck are there two different versions of that kiss?? The international one is much better. SMH 

Lyrics to the song because I'm just obsessed by it: 

 

Can You Hear My Heart 

Are you listening?
My voice, the confess to you

Are you listening now?
Can you hear my heart?

Like a dropping raindrop on the window
My mind is getting stained by you

i need u i need u i i miss u

 

I saved my words for forgetting you
And I thought I erased you
But I’m saying about you again
Trying to forget
And also trying to forget I tried to forget you
If I can then I can say ‘I erase you’

you gotta give me time, 
I ain’t perfect
but I’m tryin’ to 
erase you perfectly.

If I treid to take it back, it’s too far
But when I look back, You’re always over my shoulder

I know

I won’t be able to erase
Because those memories are too perfect to me
But I try again

Leaving love is harder than falling love
you make me live and die again

I’m not alive without you.
I’m not alive without you.

You know I’d die without you.

Don’t forget

Are you listening?
My voice, the confess to you

Are you listening now?
Can you hear my heart?

Like a dropping raindrop on the window
My mind is getting stained by you

i need u i need u i i miss u

Heavy rain is coming which likes a shower in the middle of summer night
I think the shower of memory will come again
I think you need a umbrella
I’m worried so much

I can see over the window
Some frivolous lights of cars to go somewhere in a hurry
You maybe know my destination even without asking

Your everything that I could touch
Thoese are spread and I can’t see because of tears

In retrospect I’m at a standstill
Because always I have a heavy heart
My farewell has slow steps

If I can’t take everything back
Bring in reality can be one of ways

But I’m standing here
I’m still standing here

Are you listening?
My voice, the confess to you

Are you listening now?
Can you hear my heart?

Like a dropping raindrop on the window
My mind is getting stained by you

i need u i need u i i miss u

Don’t forget me ever. 
Never ever
Don’t forget me ever. 
Never ever

Never ever girl

Don’t forget me ever. 
Never ever
Don’t forget me ever. 
Never ever


Me

 

 

 

[Gitakawaii 4,902]

I have a question about the WS in the C-version? Which WS is more aggressive? The Korean one or the Chinese one? Whether it being getting the throne or Haesoo ?

[hikari2016 567]

11 minutes ago, solelylurking said:

 

No, don't be sorry. Actually the book ends up with tragic ending (cmiiw). But I'm praying for a different ending this time. The C vers already took that anyway. And you're not wrong from think WS is a little psychotic either for killing his horse (eventhough they did that maybe to simbolized him saying goodbye to the Kangs). Now, what will a girl like HS do when she put this, all the things she heard from CR, and the premonition, together beside being afraid and dead sure WS will be a ruthless King? We all now just have to be a little bit patience and let the story fall out. No good in rushing it. We can't always get what we want anyway. Just ask Wook. Hahaha.

About the bold ones, you and me both, baby. But me majorly because of dark and handsome Wook. 

Me too, praying that this version will have different ending. Maybe with slight Faith's touch? For example Hae Soo finding a portal to be able to go back to Goryeo (if she ended up dead and being transported back to the future), LOL, tho I doubt that will actually happen.

As much as I want the ending to be different from the C-Ver, I don't see it happening. As the story progress, it is getting darker and darker. But that is why I am loving this drama. I started watching for Lee Junki and ended up intrigued and engaged with the plot, despite bumpy road in earlier episodes. I think I am willing to let myself being swept away with whatever direction the writer planned, tragic or not.

[Immortal_Angel 2,110]

10 minutes ago, magdale said:

So there's no creepy visions in C-version and Ruoxi doesn't fear 4th prince   I wonder what is the idea of making Wang So a murdered in front of her eyes; seriously why is so hard for these two be together, and worse she is in love with another. The one from yesterday episode was better and well executed, but the one from today seems an attempt to make things harder between them. 

 

In the cversion she was more cautious of him since she knows he's going to be the king so she tried to make sure she survives around him so she learns his likes and dislikes and tries to not not go head to head with him since she knows who he will be. In this one she fears him cause she knows that he can kill with no mercy. In history it did mention that he killed his brothers but probably not all since she doesn't remember all the history herself. She might get her history confused. So to me she doesn't fear him but more of the monster he can become in order to kill. 

I'm wondering is YH going to team up with evil Queen in order to secure her position as queen since she figures that WS has a chance of being king? Cause in the preview when she arrive to meet the evil queen her face look like she has some evil plain in mind all smiling and stuff  will she join forces with YH or will she use YH as one of her puppets too 

[violet90 21,973]

i need to stop watching the kiss scene tbh.. it make me thinking that what if there is a bed scene (i know is not going to go full mode) but at least i know that our OTP going to make it hot!!! LOL

 

[blue003 1,094]

1 minute ago, Gitakawaii said:

I have a question about the WS in the C-version? Which WS is more aggressive? The Korean one or the Chinese one? Whether it being getting the throne or Haesoo ?

More than aggressive, in the c version the 4th prince is ruthless... Come what may, he will achieve his goal... Sad part is even though he started to aim for the throne, In order to protect his loved ones, at the end of the day, he had only the throne with him...

[Nymeria289 22,263]

2 minutes ago, Gitakawaii said:

I have a question about the WS in the C-version? Which WS is more aggressive? The Korean one or the Chinese one? Whether it being getting the throne or Haesoo ?

Spoiler

C version 4th wasn't so isolated or tortured. He had a loving mother, a father and had a family and diligently worked hard to be in the kings favor. He was clever and crafty but not reckless and emotional. Wang So is definitely more aggressive compared to him. Their background contributes to that. Both were cruel but C version 4th would rather not shed blood if not absolutely necessary but Wang So is more like a killing machine by what I see here.

 

[violet90 21,973]

4 minutes ago, Gitakawaii said:

I have a question about the WS in the C-version? Which WS is more aggressive? The Korean one or the Chinese one? Whether it being getting the throne or Haesoo ?

 

4th in Cdrama is more plotting and calculating kind of guy whether in romance or throne fight so for now WS is more aggressive in term of HS but i don't see him wanting the throne yet.. but all around WS is more aggressive.. 

[sarasona 2,419]

Good thing about this episode is

1) so got what he longed all along.

2) su gets to know so feelings though the way it expressed is bad.

 

The more they make su pitier I wonder whether they are trying to convince the audience when ( if )he kills his brothers that he had enough...

[Lyna 5,266]

2 minutes ago, Gitakawaii said:

I have a question about the WS in the C-version? Which WS is more aggressive? The Korean one or the Chinese one? Whether it being getting the throne or Haesoo ?

 

I would say just IMO, the Korean one but that'st just my IMO. As for HaeSoo, I think her fear is understandable given how much she is aware of the future king Gwangjong and what he is known. And it's harder in that sense that because she is fond of most of the prince that she forewarned Wook that So shouldn't be king because it would result on all the prince downfall and withdraw from So.

I do believe in the upcoming episode, she will put her mindset in trying to change the future. She gave Wook warning (in way to change the future to prevent So from becoming king when really, that has a different affect just like in the C-version). And I think she will try to make effort in trying to change So as well (in hope that he won't become his future) thus will eventually lead her to falling for him since her slip of tongue literally will jeopardize her relationship with Wook (if he is to act upon it and stab So in the back with betrayal and deceit).

[blue003 1,094]

Will the rain scene happen? The one where Ruoxi kneels down for the 13th in the rain?