[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[Chickpea]

2 hours ago, anzhe said:

The face of the girl riding with WW is hidden, maybe a decoy so the real one can escape?

Brilliant!  I'm thinking you're absolutely correct....  Brava...

1 hour ago, ktcjdrama said:

Moon Lovers -- I wonder how this title came about. How are they going to be connected by the moon... at least we are shown that WS-HS both appreciate the moon and stars in Goryeo. Will the moon play a role in transporting GHJ back? and maybe hopefully WS too?

Great insight.  At first I thought the "Moon Lovers" title was a tribute to the drama's Chinese origin but then it must have some significance in the Chinese culture so I read an article about the Moon Festival and the Lady of the Moon.  Long story short, the Lady of the Moon is the wife of a hero who saved the Earth from drought and the people from death by shooting down 9 of 10 suns.  Rewarded with an elixir of immortality, he gives this to his wife for safekeeping but while he's away a neighbor comes to steal it and the wife swallows the elixir, immediately becoming a goddess where she resides on the Moon, since its closest to Earth where she can continue to watch over her husband.  Okay, so that's the mythology.  I'm reading all kinds of possibilities into this as I am sure my insightful and creative Soompi colleagues here are as well... too many to go into right now. That said, there is another possibility.  An eclipse occurs when the Moon completely covers the Sun.  HS time travels during an eclipse.  She "enters" Goryeo when the Moon is stronger than (blacks out) the Sun.  The eclipse "brings" her, she is a de facto Lady of the Moon.  If we continue with the mythology, HS's husband will be a hero who saves the land and the people and HS will be his greatest love and protector.

1 hour ago, qwenli said:

it was a very big issue not to have children, (in fact the influential Confucius said that not having children is the no.1 on the list of failing to be filial becos the bloodline cannot be continued) and lady hae clearly is not able to fulfill her role. So arranging for her husband to get another concubine is par for norm.

Greetings... yes, this is true.  However, I think for the purposes of this drama what we're supposed to see in the scene is the selfless, self-sacrificing love Lady Hae has for WW.  I say this also because according to what we saw in Ep. 5, WW's family was banished from the city and it was Lady Hae's family who made them acceptable again.  I think we're also supposed to see that Lady Hae, and probably everyone else, thought her love was one-sided and that WW doesn't realie what his feelings for her are until she is dying and, even then, she doesn't want to hear his declaration of love.  For WW, Lady Hae is like his Moon Lady, raining down blessings on him from a place far above him and wanting nothing in return.  I'm thinking since WW had his Moon Lady, our adorable little HS will become a Moon Lady for our dashing and damaged hero WS.

Now, if I were to apply say, Shakespeare, to the above scenario, I would say that "Moon Lovers" is the equivalent of saying "star-crossed lovers" or "lovers who were never meant to be", heroic but tragic lovers.

 

 

 

[akinahana89]

How could they give us such a roller coaster of an episode? Laughing until I cry one minute and crying until I laugh the next. And to think... a whole week's worth of wait now. T_T

[irilight]

1 hour ago, junee22 said:

@irilight as much as I want to write a comment on dramefever..I faced an obstacle..dramafever isn't allowed at my country  ..I need to sign up but I couldn't bcoz of that..as for the other site related to Korea..I don't know the subs/writings..so it's kinda made me feel frustrated (coz google translate can't help in some words *sigh* ) Anyway...maybe you could enlighten me? Just want to help this drama to be appreciated more by the natives fellows in SK..(although it's getting more and more positive feedback and I'm happy for the production team  )

@junee22, oh, bummer. Thank you for trying 
yes, I think DF is more restricted to some geographical areas but I am not sure which they are.
Maybe U.S, Canada. I think they recently started in Australia too.
Can you not even click on awesome? What a shame.

Well, we can all still help the drama by watching as much as possible on Naver, and Korean media....

 

source: AsiaToday

source:  TV Daily

Below are some BTS and clips video from Naver. If we all watch consistently on Naver, it would help the show.

Even better, if you sign up for Naver (I signed with FB, it only takes a minute), and then you can also "like" the videos by clicking on the heart symbols

http://tvcast.naver.com/v/1097615

 

http://tvcast.naver.com/v/1097164

 

This scene had me tearing.
Not only his wife's dying, but the fact 8th Prince never got to say the words that he loved her....

http://tvcast.naver.com/v/1097179

 

 

[hazzle]

39 minutes ago, uuugogirl said:

Yes, i think so too, based on Choi Ji Mong's character description here

i think he is a time traveler  *struggling as he is lost between keeping a secret a maintaining a humanistic attachment, and nobody knows why*

And I guess he already realized where Haesoo came from when they finally met in the palace, but all he could do was just subtly tell her to be careful. This guy is really wary and well aware of the dangerous situation they could get into if they keep talking about their true identity.

Choi Ji Mong is a truly wild card here. His character reminds me of The Wizard in BBJX Scarlet Heart C-version movie who helped Ruoxi get back to the future, both Ji Mong and The Wizard aren't original character from novel but PD-nim put they in as the main heroine Haesoo/ Ruoxi's fairy godfather.

 

Aha... I found that Choi Ji Mong Character cute yet mysterious ...

Maybe that's why he recomended to Crown Prince that he need WS to replace Him where the ritual begin.. 

Because he know that WS need to stay at the palace.. 

 

[Gabi Bros]

This is cute! 

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[aprilslily]

1 hour ago, Gabi Bros said:

Yes...i feel the same. Haesoo having guilt thoughts is okay because Lady Hae has been really nice to her and she has modern times mentality...but Wook behaving like that? Those were other times in which men had many women without guilt.  They are making almost all the princes look and behave like virgins waiting for their first love to knock the door.  The younger ones are between 15 and 18? Mmm...maybe they are still young...i was forgetting that. But I don't think we will see polygamy in the drama even if the years passed, aside of Taejo with his 29 wifes. 

 

I got the impression that HS was mostly oblivious to WW's affection and thought of it as him being kind to her, and that the guilt that she felt was from her finding out that everyone knew about her one-sided crush...including her beloved cousin, and that the appearance as that they were flaunting their flirting in front of her cousin (which they were) with out her really knowing about it.  Much like she was oblivious that her friend was dating her boyfriend in the 21st century. 

As for Wook I get his guilt...his wife loved him and didn't condone his behavior with HS, heck she encouraged it. Even with the SoCal norms at the time, I would think that would add pressure no matter how understanding your wife acts like she is. I also think his guilt was due to the heavy debt that he had to her. She brought his family about of exile. She used her family power to get him back into the good graces of his own family...and most likely the money to get back there too. And in his pious belief that they could live as close comfortable friends, he falls in love with the one other person that his wife Loves as a daughter.

and I know that polygamy was a cultural norm...even incest, but this is a drama, and they are trying to reinforce their perceived notions of morality right now...which is to show viewer that if there is anything but the purest of love with only the the greatest of sacrifices, that love will be tarnished and you will have a horrible family. And possibly die, or loose your memory. Them the rules...

[qwenli]

ok the good news is ratings of ep 5 is slightly, tiny weeny higher than ep 4.  whereas for the other two dramas in the same time slot, their numbers slight decrease for Tuesday eps.

 

ep five - 6 % versus ep four - 5.7%, an increase of 0.3%

ok, I welcome whatever increase, no matter how tiney, weeney. 

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[akinahana89]

1 minute ago, qwenli said:

ok the good news is ratings of ep 5 is slightly, tiny weeny higher than ep 4.  whereas for the other two dramas in the same time slot, their numbers slight decrease for Tuesday eps.

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ep five - 6 % versus ep four - 5.7%, an increase of 0.3%

ok, I welcome whatever increase, no matter how tiney, weeney. 

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An increase, no matter how small, is always good news. SHR, fighting! ^^

[aprilslily]

1 hour ago, dede257 said:

Long time kdrama lover but first time poster here . This is possibly an "out there" theory, but could there be a chance that Hae Soo's arranged marriage could be with the Kang clan?  Perhaps as a gesture of goodwill since the King has taken back their adopted son?  This may explain Wang So's (4th prince) utter concern about Hae Soo's nuptials since they mistreated him so badly.  Just a thought.  

 

I totally had the same thought! If this is true, then no wonder the two leads banded together on her "kidnapping"

[valentvcd]

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[sugarista]

Hello Chinggus! Joining here. I watched BBJX and was left depressed for a week. But now a new one..  I must say I'm totally loving scarlet heart kversion. It's different in a way but it just grows in me haha.

[ilovekorearocks]

Good afternoon Eclipses(did I get the name right? ) I couldn't help crying a bunch for episode 5. It was such a roller-coaster ride, I'm not sure what I'm supposed to feel now that WW is free.  Listening to Davichi's Forgetting You(on loop) isn't helping at all. Episode 4 had heartbreaking scenes too but episode five made me cry the most, and we're not even half-way through the drama. Imagine when we're at the climax of it all. The conflict, the confusion, the pain. Is it going to be worst than this? 

I realized in episode 4 how relate-able HS/GHJ is. I mean, I studied historical figures since intermediate to tertiary level. But if I'm transported into time, I'll know they're rendered "legendary" in modern times, but I wouldn't have a clue how things happened, who was contemporary with who. I wouldn't even get myself all bothered about it, since I have a carefree personality. I'll go with the flow, as long as it doesn't get me killed, and doesn't impact the future in an awful way.

Watching mainly saeguks I noticed that it was the norm to marry a couple of weeks after a mistress/madaam of the household dies especially for those who hold certain position in the kingdom/government(not sure during this era tho, it was like in Jang Ok Jung where the 2nd female lead's mother died and her father married someone a couple of days later) It is somehow seen unfortunate or as misfortune if someone dies in the household and the household can't be without a mistress overseeing it. It is as if a social responsibility of the man in that household to find someone ASAP to replace the vacant position. *shrug*

[valentvcd]

10 minutes ago, aprilslily said:

 

I totally had the same thought! If this is true, then no wonder the two leads banded together on her "kidnapping"

have the same thought. so maybe because HS didn't want to get marriage, she has to be servant... and its ok if to be WS servant  and then start to treatment WS's face

[ElleSor]

1 hour ago, Cindy Ngo said:

Why without sub? The subs are already out...

I watched with subs...check my post

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[chi13lou]

1 hour ago, junee22 said:

@irilight as much as I want to write a comment on dramefever..I faced an obstacle..dramafever isn't allowed at my country  ..I need to sign up but I couldn't bcoz of that..as for the other site related to Korea..I don't know the subs/writings..so it's kinda made me feel frustrated (coz google translate can't help in some words *sigh* ) Anyway...maybe you could enlighten me? Just want to help this drama to be appreciated more by the natives fellows in SK..(although it's getting more and more positive feedback and I'm happy for the production team  )

In the theory of Hae Soo's travel back to the future,many say maybe happened when its eclipse again..but exactly how many years took? scientifically...I heard it took hundreds of years...any of my friends here would know?

The solar eclipse that transported GHJ happened in the present so there is a possibility of another eclipse during the time of Goryeo.

[ilovekorearocks]

16 hours ago, valentvcd said:

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Thanks for sharing the link. It's good news. I hope it continues to increase, even just a little bit until they reach 10% or even a bit more. Despite hoping that, doesn't mean I love the drama any less or the rating has any impact on how much I love MLSHR. This is the only show I watch on a streaming link. EVER.

 

 

I'm so ready for the "very obsessive" WS. Will we be seeing this side of him any time soon? 

[valentvcd]

when i stare at lee joon gi face... I find him handsome, yet manly but also pretty  

[Forsythia]

Ep 5 is really good with full of emotions. Although I want more wang so scenes but it was a heartwarming and great episode with great cinematography plus improved editing. i cry so hard watching madam hae scene and her final goodbye. it was very beautifully done. and the ost at the end blend really wells with the scene. that ost is really good. hope to hear it again in next episodes. oh, may i know what the itles of that ending ost and who is the singer? it seems that i can't find it

Another thing, i saw somewhere that this is lee jun ki last saeguk drama. is it true? i want to see him in modern drama too, but saeguk fit him the best. doing saeguk once in a while doesn't hurt though, mr lee jun ki. if it is really true that this is his last saeguk then i will really miss him in saeguk drama particularly his saeguk accent, garbs.

[kyar7jizhenll]

On 9/6/2016 at 7:59 PM, mimi said:

OK then YH is truly WS half sister ....I though I had missed something. I'm very surprised because in kdramas  even marriage between people that are not even blood related is taboo if their parents  marry and they happen to become suddenly 'step-siblings' and they seem to make a huge fuss about it so I was totally taken aback with incest relations/marriage in Korean history lol 

 

@phyz @mimi Just a reminder: We're watching the story of imperial family from over 1000 years ago where polygamy was accepted (Asian) and affairs were open-secret (Europe) in societies. Although modernized SK might stress on not even marrying step-siblings, they/we cannot and should not judge or feel upset that half-siblings marrying each other and princes have many wives. In Chinese history, marrying among cousins (cousins from mother's side and cousins born to father's sisters) as long as not same last name, have seen in many households including imperial families  even up to cultural revolution. It was also same for European, Russia and middle eastern imperial families. They intermarried so that they could strengthen their dynasties by strategic marriages within families (eg. last monarchs or ruling princes of European countries including Russia are great-grand children of Queen Victoria as they married among first and second cousins, and caused of loss of males in those imperial families due to X-linked mutation in Hemophilia A [clotting factor X deficiency] which was noted to have passed down by Queen Victoria and her daughters being carriers of the disease).  FYI: most of the princes in the drama married their half sisters in real history including 8th and 14th and 4th WS also married one of crown prince's daughters (his niece). 

Marrying among half-siblings are common in India, South Asia and Southeast Asian imperial and princely families and those marriages happened even in last ruling dynasties or current constitutional monarchy dynasties. It is just that current constitutional monarchs of Asian countries only have one queen (Thailand, Japan). Eg. all four queens/ consorts of the grandfather of current king of Thailand, Rama V, were his half-sisters. Also, current king Bumibol married to his first cousin once-removed Queen Sirikit (daughter of his half-first cousin). In Burmese last dynasty, all the head queen (Southern Palace queen) had to be most favorite daughter of previous king (Princess Royal) who would be half-sister or first-cousin of current king depending on son or nephew inherited the throne. I think these imperial families believed that royal blood was the sacred and should not be mixed, and thus most important positions of the kingdom, king and all 4 principal queens are half-siblings or first-cousins although the kings had many other concubines who were not of royal blood. Also, the crown prince and Princess Royal were usually chosen among children of those 4 principal queens.

Also, marrying many wives or having concubines were very common in normal families of India, Southeast Asian, East Asian, Middle eastern countries at those times.  Interestingly, Burma (Myanmar) monogamy law which holds punishable by fine and imprisonment for having more than one wife just started in effect this year although polygamy is social taboo in cities for many years due to British colonization.  

Although myself cannot accept polygamy and currently living in the States, being ethnic Chinese born and raised in Southeast Asia, I could understand and accept kings and princes having many wives at those ancient time. I also think that SK and international viewers should be open-minded about both facts and should not criticize or shy away from the drama and great work of talented actors. Even all kings of last Korean dynasty, Joseon and last two Korean emperors had more than one queens and consorts. Although WW's guilt should NOT be emphasized due to time, I guess PD was sensitive about SK viewers and made the 'guilt' as necessary point for making love development of WW and Soo stagnant.  It is also the difference with Chinese Version as Ruoxi did seem to understand the culture of Qing dynasty and did not mind or had much guilt for having infatuated with 8th who being his own sister's husband, and 4th having many wives (though of course she was jealous and wanted to be number 1 saying she wanted to be Empress). 

@Yippeuni& @meahri_1 the princes number are in birth order and number 5, 6, 7 were not princess. They were just not shown because they are irrelevant to the story, born of consorts not of queens or have died like second prince.  In history of Goryeo dynasty, prince and princes were not listed by number but by their birth mother. I think drama called them by number to follow the novel but I notice that princes called each other  "brother" or each other's names in Kv unlike Cv which each other called by number (Even princess called all her older brothers "Oraboni" and when there were more than one, she just faced/ looked at the one she was talking to while calling him Oraboni not calling 3rd or 4th or 8th brother.  However, the rank of princes were based on their mother rank in addition to their achievement. There are also two different terms for crown prince.  There are princes who got the title of "Crown Prince" e.g. 9th and his biological brother though they were not crown prince who would inherit the throne but it is just showing their rank higher than other regular princes. 14th prince became Dawang which is the term equivalent to chinese princes managing their own fifes. In history, the evil queen Yoo have another son who was younger than Jun and later got the title of country's highest Buddhist monk.

I don't know Korean and I got following info from Wikipedia in Korean, then translated by google (Not sure about historical accuracy of Wiki):

Queen Sinmyeongsunseong (신명순성왕후) ^[7]

• Crown Prince Tae (태자 태) --- The one that died, that make crazy eomma become crazy and ruin Wang Soo face
• Jeongjong, 3rd Monarch of Goryeo (정종) --- Wang Yoo
• Gwangjong of Goryeo (광종) --- Wang Soo
• Vice King Moonwon (문원대왕) ---Wang Jung (14th)
• Queen Sinseong (신성왕후)
• King Ahnjong (안종), Father of King Hyeonjong ---Bake-A (13th), his mother was cousin of last Shila King with last name Kim.  He would end up having an affair with his widowed niece (youngest daughter of 8th), the 4th queen of son of WS.
• Lady Dongyangwon (동양원부인) - Wang Won's mother and her father was one of the three generals who helped established Goryeo.
• Crown Prince Hyomohk (효목태자)
• Crown Prince Hyoeun (효은태자) ---Wang Won (9th), he was killed by 4th WS in the history
• Lady Sohwangjoowon (소황주원부인)---Taejo 16th consort and Eun's mom
• Prince Gwangjoowon (광주원군)---Wang Eun (10th), his older aunt is 15th consort of Taejo and his younger aunt is one of the consorts of crown prince Muu. His grandfather is Wang Gyu who warned Crown Prince Wang Muu (King Hyejong) of WY and WS conspiracies but later plotted to put his grandson on the throne. Eun did not seem to get married before his grandfather's army was annihilated and whole family got killed.

• Lady Sinjoowon (신주원부인)--- Taejo 22nd consort and 4th adopted mother from Shiju Kang clan who supposedly not in right mind