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11 hours ago, kysy said:
Question, why would grandpa tolerate keeping JMR around knowing she killed his grandchildren?
Maybe grandfather doesn't know the full extent of what she did to those grandchildren or he's simply excusing her behaviour because she is still beneficial to CheongA group.
The conversation between the grandfather and his son was interesting . Unless there is something else like you said regarding KPJ's father's death, I didn't see anything deeply sinister about how the father passed away. It seemed like Jang Soo Man was unlikely to recover and the grandfather decided not to prolong the suffering and asked the doctors to remove his oxygen mask. The family could get mad at the grandfather for doing that too early but it seemed like it would've ended up happening anyways. Also the uncle was the one who told the doctor not to tell the grandfather about the subtle(meaningless) signs of improvement after the grandfather had the oxygen mask removed. This one of those things that would cause fights in a family(did he pull the plug too early) but not something criminal.
I've been curious about KPJ and his brother having the "Jang" surname as well. We've seen how hard JBC tried to give his son the name but it didn't seem possible unless the grandfather gave his ok. So did the grandfather give Jang Soo Man the ok to give his children the Jang surname and if so, why?
I am curious about the documents KPJ brought when he went to see the grandfather. KPJ is not just relying on his and the grandfather's biological ties to get the grandfather to accept him. I don't think KPJ would threaten the grandfather, maybe the documents show how much profit can be made by accepting KPJ.
@kysy I'm also thinking G/pa don't know the full extent of her getting rid of kids and the mom, I'm still incline to believe that he only just thinks it's one child that his son had outside of the marriage.. I think he just thinks she scared them away or sent them away to some third world country and made it hard for them to return with no money or resources on hand to help them. Giving the shocking look on G/pa's face at the end of 18 says it all.. (Like A deer caught in the headlights) The look he has on his face is like how did this child end up here. The one he thought was long gone is right before his face and has been in his face all this time and he's not as sharp as he is anymore.. Which leads me to believe G/pa not once ever seen these children because in his mind he already had his G/son JBC.. The old man is so deeply caught in a trap that he will have no other choice but to recognizes who KPJ really is ore all that he tried to protect could be gone in one sharp move.. Remember G/pa only see who could benefit Cheong A group and as of now giving JBC past history and scandal that can brake out at any moment who do you think G/pa will choose JBC or JEC/KPJ the man that knows everything about everybody and can tell tale all about that company..I'm believing as of now KPJ would take things from the root of it all G/pa and next to whats rightfully his.. He will realizes that JMR has been a bad deal from the beginning and since KPJ has shown up he's going to want to get rid of her because she failed to do the job properly.. She was only there because of JBC and the old man believing that JBC was his G/son.
I some how think that it was uncle that really wanted him dead right alone with JMR I think these two played a big part in his death.. Being that it was signs that showed him getting better he could have heard the old man talking about pulling the cord on him and beg the doctor not to tell his father how else would he get in the position that he had only if brother was out of the equation.. He seems the type that always did things to get his fathers approval but yet all the attention went to JMS.. Now he got dad to himself and things still didn't work out as he planned.. Now he's joined the dead brother band wagon to do things on his own.. My thought keeps going to how KPJ is going to get the money from him..Maybe he will tell his uncle who he really is and need the money to get rid of the fake family that has dominated and tainted the home all these years
KPj father gave them the last name Jang to prove there identity it seems that he was expecting something to happened and by the time they were born he had signed there birth certificates.. Which leads me to believe G/pa signed JBC or put him in the family linage book..
In my opinion I think the man was leaving JMR and that was all to it JMr knew eventually those two boys would be accepted by there G/father being that they ate the true heritage to it all in order to safe guard her greed kill them all.. Anyone that's link to JSM..
I'm going to say this for the last time JBC has no other choice but to try and kill KPJ.. JEC knows that JBC is not a Jang he has to get rid of him.. He wants to try and use the cousin but JEC has read into this plan that's the reason he reveals himself to G/pa while JBC tries to pit one cousin against the other.. This shows how far behind he is trying to compete with JEC it's like he's always fighting a no winning game in the end and he has no one to blame for it but mom and Mr Oh..
Let's think will G/pa throw KPJ/JEC out of the house upon learning who he is..?
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14 hours ago, fiesty8001 said:
I don't think so. KPJ is truly in love with her but it's clear that the first thing he seeks is the revange not NMH. Even though it's just a drama but the root cause of all of the misries in NMH's life is him. Even though he always tried to protect NMH in Jang household and shielded her during the car accident but it doesn't redeem him in my eyes. His elaborate deception pushed a happy and innocent girl in the pit full of venomous snakes. I was deeply satisfied when NMH slapped KPJ. Even though I'm JH fan I was hoping he gets few more from PSY. It's not that KPJ doesn't has some goodness in him but I would've emphatized with him more if he was not the master planner of NMH and JBC's marriage. Besides KPJ getting his revange I'm curious to see what he plans for NMH's future. As I've said earlier it's a JH drama so chances are slim that he'll get the girl.
@fiesty8001 And all others who is down on KPJ.. I have to come to KPJ defense .. Remember as he said he was taking no prisoner with his revenge and NMH was no exception.. All KPJ did was point JBC in her direction he didn't tell her to fall in love with JBC she did that on her own and so did he.. It's not like KPJ was cheating with her or something of that nature, He once never acted on his feelings towards her those 5 years spent apart help him to get over her.. He just thought she should no the truth and that's all like she said if any one she should be angry with is herself..
13 hours ago, ihyuni said:Thinking out loud for a second, honestly, why did KPJ feel like that he can get everything that JBC had been given with a suit? The honorary chairman gave the inheritance to JBC who he believes is his grandson. However even if everything is deemed fraudulent wouldn't everything be rescinded to the original giver, the chairman, who in turn could decide to give it to whoever he wanted, aka JYC who is a legitimate grandchild. Maybe the suit idea was a miscalculation on KPJ's part since he doesn't know the chairman HATES extra martial kids.
@ihyuni From my understanding the inheritence money will go to KPj being that he is his father first born child, Because of the way G/pa set things up no way does the inheritence goes back to the chairman when the real son is alive and well and no way will YC gets it because he's not uncles child.. G/pa shot himself in the foot with the stuff that he's done and no way do KPJ not know all the ends and outs to get whats rightfully his.. I'm sure he knows the chairman hates extra marital kids being his son had two but I only think he knows of one because I believe that JMS was fighting for his son to recieve whats rightfully supposed to be his..
13 hours ago, Prettysup said:5. What do you think is the best work of Jang Hyuk? (+989 -46).
@Prettysup The first drama I ever watch JH in and that was Thank You.. I find his acting skills amazing in that drama the emotional scenes in that drama sold me on his acting.. (The drama about the Lil girl who git infected with the aids virus because of the blood transfusion to save her life)
7 hours ago, mimisl123 said:When it comes to the company stocks KPJ has already had his plans set in motion JBC will try and fight him off but the kicker will be the money where NMh works at will end up in his hands.. He will figure out the password she will help him in the end.. (Like you said let the games begin.. It's all about the money for JBC and JMR )
You mean NMH will help KPJ?
@mimisl123. Exactly Whom I was talking about.. Sorry abut that sometime mt thoughts run faster then I type..
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8 hours ago, maddymappo said:
Yes, he only mentioned the one son, I thought perhaps it was the translation and he meant all of them, but perhaps not. He may just know there was one son still alive? Maybe he doesn't know she killed the little one and the mother? Does he think they just drowned by accident? Murky
@maddymappo Maybe he don't know that she killed them off maybe he just thinks she threaten the mother and scared her off.. But from my understanding he only knows of one child.. I don't see G/pa allowing her to kill both of the kids but one thing is for sure JMR marriage to JMS was over and I believe even G/pa knew that much.. Her being pregnant and not his child she had to do something before it was found out was a dead give away for a divorce from her.. She had to stop JMS at all cost it was no way she would have wanted it revealed to G/pa and probably her parents that she wasn't pregnant with her husbands child, Regardless to however much money G/pa got from her dad it would be no way possible to keep her around because her being pregnant with someone else the marriage deal would have been a dead deal.. Look at how G/pa expects her to run NMH off and she can't do it because NMH holds her big secret so G/pa must not no JBC is Mr. Oh seed..
6 hours ago, africandramalover said:She'll make them pay. I think her salvation is in those two files she couldn't access. When she wasn't able to open the files, I thought she had low key been kicked out of the foundation. Companies do that...lol.... you come to work and find you can't log in.
3. When KPJ came to JMR and JBC and apologized for not telling them about the distribution shares deal..... I foresee problems there. they are on to him. Even JMR. I think she was playing dumb to her son and talking about his scary eyes, but the look she gave KPJ set off bells for me.4. JBC will (with 95% certainty) send Secretary Oh to kill KPJ. That was not an idle threat. And JMR too will send him to kill KPJ.
5. It's only a matter of time before JMR puts two and two together, that KPJ is in love with NMH. They way he defended NMH when JMR was raising her suspicions about the necklace. This will probably happen next week.
6. I love that woman who keeps Grandpa company. What is she? is she legally his wife? A concubine? A woman to keep his old bones warm at night by laying next to him? How she can keep up that happy spirit of hers in that house is amazing. they must be paying her well.
KPJ may be controlling this family at the moment, but I see them turning against him like rabid dogs. Grandpa will not be fazed by his revelation.
Let the games begin!
@africandramalover It wasn't that she couldn't log in it was she was trying to go into the accounting records and didn't have the password for it.. She's not aware that G/pa even told JMR not to let her have access to those books a few episodes back fearing something in those books that could be a big trigger to them all and be played against them..
I'm one hundred percent sure that JBC will try and kill off KPJ and G/pa if he has a inkling to G/pa knowing who KPJ really is.. He has to kill in order to protect who he's not.. JBC thinks on the lines of if my mom and dad can kill it's only natural that he do the same in order to keep whats not his.. This is why I said he will land himself in jail.. Also if G/pa tries to give that chairman position back to Yc KPJ could also get him jail for his role play in NMH dads so called death.. (Remember this is what they tried to kill him for to shut him up for good) KPJ has to much dirt on then all so as of now and later they will have no other choice but to dance to KPJ music..
When it comes to the company stocks KPJ has already had his plans set in motion JBC will try and fight him off but the kicker will be the money where NMh works at will end up in his hands.. He will figure out the password she will help him in the end.. (Like you said let the games begin.. It's all about the money for JBC and JMR )
Now G/pa woman is the concubine he told her he wouldn't marry another woman after his wife that's the reasons he gave her that restaurant to run that's not hers but she thinks it is.
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36 minutes ago, maddymappo said:
Question: Does Grandpa know that JBC is not his blood descendant?
Question, why would grandpa tolerate keeping JMR around knowing she killed his grandchildren?
36 minutes ago, maddymappo said:Prediction: Now that Grandpa has learned that KPJ is his grandchild, he will have a heart attack and be hospitalized in a coma.
@maddymappo I been had this on my mind also.. How much G/pa trust JBC is a Jang this is the only reason I see him tolerating and keeping her around.. G/pa knows of the eldest son but not the younger one he thought everything is set since JMR was pregnant and believe it to be his sons child.. I still don't put it past JMR to have done something to him.. It was way to much for her to lose if it was found out that JBC wasn't a Jang at that time she would have been kick out so fast.. I'm loving that fact that JEC will be kicking then all out and the kicker will be when he tells JBC to take his daddy with him Mr. OH
I think we will have a family meeting next week
But like you said G/pa probably pass out from the shock and have to be hospitalized which at this point jbc might just enlist his daddy Mr. Oh to kill G/pa off to hold his position.. The fun part of it all JBC don't know who his father is but KPj does.. All KPJ/JEC has to do is prove who JBC is through his father that he said not to go any where and to stay around bad move bad move on his part.. I see two bad moves JBC has made in this last episode.. Bringing the cousin back and keeping Mr Oh near him..
3 hours ago, kohnlee said:I have not watched it yet but I have a feeling - Oldman Jang May not accept KPJ that easily. And I wonder if he knows about this other family??? Knowing how he will not acknowledge children out of wedlock. Btw how come this looks like he is undressing to me??!?!?!?
@kohnlee The old man is going to be put in a position that he will have no other choice or have KPJ figuring out it was him that killed his dad right along with JMR killing his brother.. I think KPJ will snatch all of JBC so called inheritence from his father in the next episode..It would be G/pa gave it to him.. I think the old man will keep it quite for a while who KPJ/JEC really is.. I don't think G/pa will make a move telling JMR because this could out all of them if KPJ goes public..
Maybe the old goat already knows that JBC isn't a Jang.. Nice move in KPJ part revealing himself to G/pa like that showing the honorable chairman that he played them all..
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1 hour ago, lu09 said:
Just watched both eps with subs. The damn old man knows that his son had an outside family and that JMR got rid of them.I'm scared for KPJ.
@lu09 Not only did he know but he even killed his own son by taking the oxygen mask off him both dad and brother had something to do with his death.. We still can't eliminate JMR and Mr Oh.. G/pa knew of one of the kids but not both how can you allow someone to kill your G/son.. Just wait and see when he finds out she's been duping him all this time when it's discovered JBC isn't a Jang but Mr. Oh child.. i thought the look on G/pa's face was because he didn't know but that's a look of shock.. All this time his eldest G/son has been in his face and he didn't have a clue. Now he has something to sit and think about how many ways is JEC is so like him and takes no prisoner.. Would he hope that his son and G/son would have succeeded in killing him..
This is karmic on so many levels.. I'm hoping KPJ takes the position from the Old Man.. The kids that he tried so hard to keep out he and JMR has been in they face all this time and has become a bigger tiger then them all.. Taking everything from the chairman and JBC is what they all deserves these greedy and vile people needs to be taught a good lesson.. KPJ taking all what JBC inherited from his so called dad is just the beginning.. I want to see him strip G/pa of his position and the look on JBC and YC face when he step way ahead of them...
This is adult play and JBC nor YC is no match for KPJ now JBC has to try and stop KPJ revealing he's not a Jang because his plans to pit one against the other will backfire and he or mom won;t be a match up for any of them.. Bringing the cousin back will backfire in his face.. I'm loving it..
We may get the chairman trying to finish the jobs that the loser couldn't finish..
1 hour ago, triplem said:2 hours ago, sava2sava said:the old man has a lot to consider it's know way he would let his eldest G/child live life on a farm raising bees.. G/pa knows KPJ/JEC has brains and the brawl to run it all which is what he wants somebody capable to handle things.. So far none has been a match to him.. Uncle delivery a blow to KPJ and he gives it back to him ten fold.. Look at how he got him kick out of his president position..
I agree. But I am also wondering if the old man would so easily welcome KPJ with open arms. I don't think this family embraces children out of wedlock , look at Ha Jung (JBC's son) . Nevertheless , it's about time that KPJ did. It's his most important card. Can you imagine JMR's face when she finds out the man she has trusted (
and lusted)after all this while is her stepson , the one she tried to kill.....@triplem I can't wait yes you was right to write in lust.. This is going to be the real climax of the story and her not being able to do a darn thing about it because by that time JBC identity will be discovered.. I think he will end up outing himself trying to cover who he is.. Telling Mr. Oh to stay like that has he discovered Mr.Oh is his dad..
Now I'm more incline to believe that JMS was going to leave the marital home or bring his children in..
51 minutes ago, SeGafanlady said:I’m shaking right now OMG.. AFDJKSGFJKS hyperventilating.....
need to drink water and calm my nerves down...
WHAT kind of cliffhanger is THAT?
The Best @SeGafanlady The the old man has the look on his face we were trying to keep the cub away but brought him into the home and raised him as a tiger now he's got to figure out just how much JEC/KPJ knows about the past and about him.. KI like to think KPJ will tell him give me your position or watch me destroy it all..
JMR has them thinking that JMS only had one son which leads me to believe that knowing that mistress had two sons a divorce would be granted and mistress and kids would have been brought in.. The man was divorcing her on the grounds of JBC not being his son and he's having and affair and had fathered two children from the affair.. His divorce would have been granted no one could stop it not even the honorable chairman could stop that divorce only way to stop it was to kill him and they all did..
Son talking to his dad about how he killed his brother bit in a sly way he also help to kill him which makes me think he also knew about his brothers eldest son..
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4 hours ago, UnniSarah said:
@sava2sava... I agree Jang Hyuk is an amazing actor. What is he carrying ? Did The Honorable Chairman know his son had another family? What will he do with this new revelation?
I have no idea why I keep hoping for that the Chairman did not kill his son? I have seen that in some revenge drama's not all secrets are in black and white? What if he didn’t kill him for malicious but for medical reason. Remember he hates talking about that.
Now let’s discuss JBC the idiot , he actually believes he can beat KPJ/ JEC. Lol lol I can’t help but laugh with KPJ. Everything he has is due to KPj and he could take it all away with just anytime he wants. He could destroy him with so many things. The guy who ratted out is his friend and all the documents he has on the family can destroy all of Cheong Ah.
He is so dumb because he has no idea what he has been up all these years.
@UnniSarah JBC played his card to soon when he brought YC back into the picture he's planning on using the cousin to kill the other cousins.. As of now he thinks KPJ don't know what he knows but KPJ has up the ante revealing himself to G/pa as the eldest G/son.. Will G/pa move over and make KPJ above them . I think he would being that KPJ is smarter than, them all and knows more about the company structure inside out.. Will G/pa introduce him to the family in the upcoming episode.. Now JBC has a bigger game to play hiding his identity .. Wait til he finds out he's the seed of Mr. Oh this is probably when he'll try and kill KPJ he knows to much about JMR Mr Oh and JBC..In order for him to continue in his position is to take Mr JEC. out of the equation all together..
Another thing is JBC will destroy Cheong -A it's no way possible that he would want revealed that he's not a Jang and what his mom did back then.. All his life he's been living as someone he's not and he'll be damned if he will allow his so called dog move in his place.. I'm looking forward to this fight.. Now this is when I think KPJ might just bring uncle back to tame the son since JBC wants to play the card let family kill off family when he's the actual outsider..
Another thing I don't think G/pa knew of his son already having another family.. The look on his face say's he didn't know..
2 hours ago, UnniSarah said:The Chairman is his biggest enemy because he is just as logical as Kang Pil Joo. He uses his brain and is just as smart. I think KPJ find him the hardest to read. The Chairman knows KPJ is smart and considers him a tiger. I recall the time when he kicked him out and had to bring him back because his son and 2 grandsons couldn't fix the problem. I also think Kang Pil Joo is the person who is keeping the prosecution from arresting them for their crimes. I think once KPJ finally leave they will all see how KPJ was never really their dong but their master. LOL LOL LOL Just like the chairman. With this new revelation the Jang Kook Hwan will be pissed but proud because it is in his nature to admire someone's brain. He will also see the similarities between his son and Kang Pil Joo.
It's going to be fun when JMR realizes that JEC had her dancing on his strings like a puppet.. I'm hoping he tells JBC that he already know that he's aware of who he is and one wrong move will be the end of him and his family.. I'm still questioning the sister is she older then JBC are younger I don't think any of JMR kids are Jangs..
@triplem the old man has a lot to consider it's know way he would let his eldest G/child live life on a farm raising bees.. G/pa knows KPJ/JEC has brains and the brawl to run it all which is what he wants somebody capable to handle things.. So far none has been a match to him.. Uncle delivery a blow to KPJ and he gives it back to him ten fold.. Look at how he got him kick out of his president position..
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5 hours ago, triplem said:
Omo! KPJ goes to see old man with some gifts. He kneels before the old man & takes the chain fr his neck. Old man says where he got it. KPJ says calls him Grandfather & says he is JEC. Does the ceremonial bow before the old man. Old man shocked ! KPJ has tears running down his face
end of eps
Thanks @triplem & @purplebass for the recaps..
Hello everyone this drama is just to darn good.. Each episode always amazes me..
Loving the end of episode 18 KPJ introduce himself to G/pa after he discover JBC knows who he is and wants to kill him.. Now pandora's box has opened whats going to happen next will KPJ tell G/pa about his brother that Mr.Oh killed him.. From the look on G/pa's face it seems that he didn't know about his son already having a family or he knew and was surprised that one of the kids survived..
I dying to know just what KPJ is carrying, Is it papers to prove is identity or enough books to destroy Cheong-A
Can't wait til JMR discover who KPJ is will she try and kill him right on the spot.?
No doubt about it JBC is going to try and kill KPJ and get caught at it. I some how think he will end up in jail before it's all over
Spoiler5 hours ago, triplem said:Amazing acting by Jang Hyuk!
DITTO.. The Man Is Good.. That one tear says it all..
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@UnniSarah I don't think KPj is thinking on those lines but if so may the best man wins.. JBC has to feeling I have took everything that belongs to this man including the woman none of this was never mines to begin with how will he cope with knowing these facts.. I guess it's enough to make him disgusted enough to throw up..
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1 minute ago, yoeda said:
I wonder, before KPJ came who do all the work in Cheong-A. Everybody seem not very competent except for sneaky Gramp.
@yoeda I say don't underestimate JBC he has a goal to fight for now before he had others fighting for him but now he has to keep KPJ from finding out he knows who he really is..
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4 hours ago, jongski said:
Ahhh JBC! 16 episodes and he still has no clue who his father is. No idea at all. The arc about that kinda stopped. Though we see from the flashback it was Secretary Oh who came to to his rescue. Well he knows he's not a Jang but he still doesn't know who his father is. What do you think his reaction will be? To JMR to Secretary Oh, to KPJ who knows the truth but hasn't said anything to him...yet.
I don't think JBC will do anything to KPJ. He gets jealous but will not do anything. That boy is so dependent on him for everything. And KPJ even saving the most precious thing to him, his son. He's not gonna do anything. JBC is big on talk but flat when it comes to actions. @unnisarah described his character with her response above.
I think the writer is setting for something. Will JBC be hurt (or betrayed?) by the mistress. Will she be used by JYC and uncle? She loves money and the title, and knowing JBC is not a Jang....will JBC son be used as leverage to get through to KPJ who is the real heir to Cheong Ah. To get through to KPJ, they will need to get though the ones he cares for. NMH and JBC
And this is where I'll say again... I'm afraid and I feel among the 4 leads, someone will suffer, and sacrifice. When this drama was on it's early stages couple of our chingus predicted something will happen to KPJ.
I wonder what's going through the head of the writer? Sometimes with all the expectation of how viewers want it to be and how it should end, the writer will choose to a) do something out of the norm or b ) he'll heed to viewers request. I wonder if PD writer is pressured. This is 24 episodes 7 more episodes of cliff hanger and...24 ep, boy, open ended or what? I wonder if PD writer is feeling pressured with all the praise for MF.
I'm babbling I couldn't articulate well my thoughts but you all get what I mean.
Well @jongski I think upon JBC finding out that secty OH being his father will blow his mind.. Just to think the highly sophisticated classy lady like JMR slept with the chauffer secty to try and be queen dowager to it all is unreal.. But learning that who KPJ really is I could see him enlisting Mr Oh to help him and try and frame him for murder of Mr Oh.. He needs to get JEC away from them at all cost because JMR plan will blow in her face at any moment..
JBC will not risk the chance of telling mistress that he's not a true Jang because as of now he needs someone he can trust other then mom and Mr Oh.. I do believe he will try and use uncle to kill the nephew..
That's the reason I think JBC will enlist his mistress into helping him get revenge.. He feels KPJ betrayed him when it was his mom and dad betrayed him all along.. My thoughts to him finding out will be NMH puttingthe pieces together before he does.. The toy rockers was a dead give away..
But dear don't rule out JBC trying to harm KPJ this could be how it's found out who KPJ really is and JBC who he's not.. Whats so sad is that JBC don;t know that MR Oh already knew who KPJ really is and never said or did anything about it. Which leads me to think Mr Oh is ready to claim his family..
1 hour ago, jms701_at_mail.usask.ca_stv said:Regarding JBC's look after showing up to the see the mistress. I worry that he will try to "take care" of the press conference himself which may cause trouble for KPJ. After his comments about wanting the chairmanship for himself. I can't see him running away with her. Instead he will try to force her to leave the country which may inadvertently result in her death. As the last person to see her KPJ would be a prime suspect.
Well said it would be her or Mr Oh I think JBC will try to frame KPJ as a murder to get him out if the way of finding out who he is.. But it will be NMH that will prove his innocence by revealing who JBC really is.. Remember he stands more to lose if G/pa finds out who KPJ really is..
13 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:I know i maybe reading to much into the scene but I swear I felt the Honorable Chairman may actually like Kang Pil Joo. The honorable Chairman threatened his son if he ever decided to Kill KPJ again. I found that scene so chilling. Is it that necessary to threaten his own son for attempted murder of his servant. He could easily find someone else to help him build his Cheong A Tower. I feel that threat wasn't over the company but over the person. The way he lookd at KPJ seemed liked de ja vu. What if? i mean what if ? the chairman didn't kill his own son. What if we are being mislead with that info ? I am getting mixed feeling from this scene.
@UnniSarah I have said it could have been him that killed his own brother due to jealousy and brother in front to inherit it all including the brother kids.. I don't think he knew about the kids but then again he could have and decided to play on JMR greed to keep those kids away because BC wouldn't get it nor would his son get any of it remember brother had two sons not one like the both of them do.. I don't think either one factored in on the power struggle they would create in the long run all brother thought was get older brother out of the way and I'll get it all and JMr thought was to claim it as JBC inhiritence from his father when there was no such thing..
It's time for a lot of unanswered question of us viewers to be answered..
My big question is who is JMR daughters father.. Was she already pregnant with daughter when she married into the household or was the girl already born out of wedlock and G/pa made a deal using the unwed mother and fatherless child..
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8 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:
@evie7.... I do think she is too far gone. I think her being far to gone will make it so much better. I want JMR to realize what she did is wrong. I want her have one thing in her life that will make her repent. I have never seen her show any type of emotion towards her son so I don’t he can make her repent.
The Chairmain is way to old and to Cold to ever be able to repent for his sins. His only love is Cheong A and money. The only way to destroy the honorable Chairman is to take away Cheong A and his money. He has no love for his children or grandchildren.
@UnniSarah This is what leads me to believe that JBC may not be her real son.. She shows no motherly love towards him at all not even to her own daughter
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54 minutes ago, triplem said:
Yes I think so. He did the DNA test for a reason.
@jongski @sava2sava What makes me uncomfortable is that the relationship btwn JMR & KPJ does not feel like Mother & Son. KPJ is only slightly older than jbc but she relies on KPJ like a substitute Husband. If KPJ is just like a Son to her, is there a necessity to hold / hug him every chance she gets. She doesn’t even do that to her own son. I’m not sure if I’m over reading it. I’m not sure if there ever was anything physical btwn them , but I’m quite certain she’s not only using KPJ but I think she has a thing for him. Her jealousy was so obvious tonight whenever she spotted the OTP .
@triplem No your not reading to much into it because this is how I reads JMR behavior myself.. KPJ is like the forbidden taboo lover she knows she can't have but has to have.. I think this is what gets her off since he's not actually getting her off.. This is why I think she will go after NMH again while JBC will go after the real JEC.. It would be something if mother and son go after each other because of the facts of there so called love..
So is uncle trying to use JBC son hostage to get his way ?
Ok to some of the question of BC going back to the Ex.. I think JBC will try and sell everything in his possession and leave with the his already made family as his revenge to KPJ.. But it would be fun to watch while he's running over there NMH comes up pregnant and he has no other choice but to accept it because she's carrying the real Jang seed
I'm wondering at what point will he ask JMR who his real dad is..? One always want to know were he or she comes from and what that absent parent was like
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On 1/4/2018 at 11:06 PM, kohnlee said:
Yes read this, very well written.
The 2 OST give us some indication on the plot.
Flame - NMH realising it was KPJ she had loved all this time. The person she fell in love with was KPJ soul but JBC body.
Healing hands - NmH could be the solution to KPJ revenge. She healing him, consoling him and maybe even persuading him to give up revenge.
But I don’t want the drama to end anti climax.
I want KPJ to take revenge.
I want JMR, Sec Oh, grandpa, Uncle, etc to go down.
I want the Jang family to go down.
Writer, give us this pls.
On 1/4/2018 at 11:40 PM, dito said:Yeah me too...I hate it when revenge dramas advertise cold and ruthless revenge plot by the main character then let all his hatred and anger fizz out because he falls in love.....Of course I don't mind if he feels conflicted because that's how we know he's still a good guy...someone we should root for.
Playing catch up here, Reading this comment made me think @dito & @kohnlee I don't see KPJ giving up his revenge because he's in love remember he sacrifice NMh because she was no prisoner to take in because later on she would have become his weakness.. I do think JBC will try and use her against him to hold on to the lifestyle he's grown to enjoy all his life.. Which I somehow feel he will be the one to out himself that he's not a Jang trying to hold on to the eldest position..
Now when it comes to NMH I don't see her keeping KPJ from going after his revenge after all that has happened to him and with certain Jang threatening her father to kill himself I think she will help in in this matter knowing that not only did they to kill her dad but her and KPJ..
Also with JMR hounding her for a divorce she might get her wish but JMR will want to keep her away from KPJ at all cost..
Now if the writer takes away the essence of revenge from this drama it would become a waste of a drama to watch this is the very essence that drew the viewers in..
2 hours ago, philosophie said:Wow if I had any doubts about JMR and KPJ being strictly platonic, all of your guys’ recaps confirm that. Ever since their subtle scenes like five years ago after wedding when JMR does a wrist grab in her room to keep KPJ with her and the door closes. I wasn’t sure if writernims were insinuating that he was sleeping with her or just comforting her. But now seeing how she’s acting, I feel like even if they haven’t done anything physical, JMR is in love with KPJ! Or as close what love can be from an evil person like her.
@philosophie Yes one can see she has a one sided love for him and view him as all hers.. KPJ is the man she never had and him being just like his father she craves for his attention at all cost.. After all she feels she made him and he belongs to only her.. Another thing JBC is in no position to blackmail anyone I think he would try and kill KPJ himself.. He may even enlist uncle to help but my guess he will ask Mr.Oh to take care of it..
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Thanks For the recaps recappers..
Big Question: Did JBC figure out who KPJ really is at the end of 15.?
JMR gives me the goose bump creeps she sits and waits around for KPJ like she's his lover. I think she will go after NMH again because of KPJ .. The way she looks at then talking is like a jealous lover and can't stand the fact that KPJ looks at another woman with a soft suttle look in his eyes a look he has never given to her.. The more NMh is around KPJ the more JMR will feel threaten that she's taking him from her.
Now if I'm correct if JBC has figured it out he will realizes that none of what he has was really his to begin with it all belonged to KPJ from the beginning he might get in his head to hold on to NMH and have it all is to get rid of KPJ himself..
Haven't seen 16 yet so now is off to see if JBC is going searching for KPJ blood work from his sister
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@purplebass Thanks for the preview.. I thought I would still have to be in my habitat for a few more days..
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On 1/1/2018 at 2:42 AM, zinaa said:
In naver tv they put together best shocking ending of MF....
i tell you guys the background music score should take an award for sitting the mood of this drama
Wow that was some ending it looks like even after all this looks like NMH dad still hangs himself.. Let's hope it's JBC hanging from the ropes this will serve JMR her just dessert her and Mr. h even G/pa
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3 hours ago, fiesty8001 said:
This was not a bad year for JH. After BM's episode reduction last year he starred in OCN's hit drama Voice and now MBC's hit weekender MF. Both unconventional choices but worked for him. Hope next year will be even better for him. We should learn to appreciate what we have instead of brooding over what we don't have.
@fiesty8001 Well Said, JH is and excellent actor and has excel in his acting skills.. He will have other opportunity for the Daesang award..
11 minutes ago, purplebass said:What do you think will happen after last episode? Who was involved in the accident? What if it was PJ/MH and that is how they find out he is Eun Cheon? Because he may need a blood transfusion if he's hurt. It could also happen the other way around, BC is hurt and they find out he is not related to the Jangs because he doesn't have the same blood type as any of his parents.
@purplebass You know I also thought about they finding out who he is from this accident MalrRan will flip her lid but ne thing for sure is her time to kill him again.. Let' hope it's BC that needs a blood transfusion..
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Regardless to everyone being enemies good to see so much fun on the set of veteran actors
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22 hours ago, UnniSarah said:
@sava2sava...... Chingu I too loved that scene. It was my favorite .... JYC was so scare of Kang Pill Joo , I was laughing so hard that people around was wondering what is so funny. But in the end this is what we get after that beautiful intimidation......
After reading about what happened in the thread , I wasn’t quite prepared on how the director had filmed these scenes. I have say it was brilliantly done. Each actor portrayed them WAITING ON A BUSINESS TRANSACTION. So very scary. These people really scare me and makes me wonder if Father and Son will remain loyal to each other till the end????
@UnniSarah Each and everyone has a reasons to want KPJ and NMH dead.. H/pa wants NMH dead because she serves no purpose for him and JMR because NMH knows her biggest secret her weakness.. On the other hand JYC and dad who has never been a match for KPJ for a long time..
I'm really spetical how KPJ is going to take it all with out ruining it..
22 hours ago, jongski said:I agree with this. JBC for all his flaws, I don't think he will ever do anything to KPJ and NMH. He kind of suspecte it already something not good might happeb. I don't think he knows anything about the tampered car. Come on, it's JBC he's like clueless and most of scenes, he's always got shock look. I mean mean in endearing way. (in ep 9 and 10 you can acount thew number of times he's got shocked look)
@jongski So true JBC plays clueless to his mom and Mr.Oh actions but he very much well aware of the things his mom do and knows she will kill at will to try and stay on power.. I somehow think JBC isn't JMR child he's just a tool to get what she wants.. I think this car accident is enough for him to start turning his back on JMR because she tried to kill the two people he cares about the most.. She raised him to fear her bit now she's going to have to watch all her action were NMH is concerned because JBC isn't having anything bad happening to her..
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22 hours ago, kohnlee said:
Im beginning to suspect her Husband death may not be that simple and straight forward. Her marriage to her Husband could also have been a marriage of convenience, certainly not love. I wonder her husband all along knew that JBC is not his Son?
@kohnlee We all suspect her and Mr. Oh dirty deeds killed the man and of course he knew that JBc wasn't his this is why I think he was going to leave and divorce her which would have been granted.. I think JMR knew he already had the first heir to the family and she had to hurry and get pregnant but so who better then Mr. Oh JBc could be a test tube because I don't think dad was home long enough to sleep with her which also makes me skeptical of JBc sister is she really a Jang also..
I been re-watching the scene when KPJ told the cousin that he wasn't going to tell him his plans for the tower and the cousin thought he could throw his weight around because of his title.. Loved how KPJ put him in his place letting him knows that he owns him and can have him lock up if he breath wrong.. So now since they tried to kill him it times for him to emerge JEC..
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Mal Ran will hate the day when she told KPJ that every child is his or her parents child.. Those are words that will come back and bite her in her kiester..
By now I thought NMH would know who KOJ really is but the writer is keeping us in suspense of when everyone finds out who he really is..
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What is really going on.. Now JMr wants NMH dead because she got a hold of her biggest fear (the secret of JBc birth) and NMh also knows about her killing of those kids that are the true Jangs.. One to many knows of this and NMh could use this to conrtol JBc and her so yes she had to try and have NMh join her father after she ask the girl to divorce JBc because of NMh is of no use to JBc.. She didn't plan for JBc to die but it was uncle that had place a bomb under the car.. G/pa don;t seenm to be innocent either he could have also wanted NMh dead because all deals are off since her father supposed to be dead G/pa need someone that can help benefit his means and as of now she can't.. G/pa could also want KPJ dead so JBc and NMh could stop being so dependent of him..
Now I'm beginning to wonder I some what think G/pa knew about those kids his son had outside the marriage he just never said anything about it.. I think he knows JMr did something to those kids and I come to think JMs also told him about his other kids and he wanted a divorce but G/pa couldn't have that after receiving the help from JMr family I just don';t think he knows about the part of JBc not being a Jang..
Now these idiots have really set the stage of revenge no way will NMh sit back and accept this nor will KPJ so my guess is NMh dad has to wake up before his 49 day service or something of that nature for the dead in Korea.. I do agree him coming back at that time.. I do see Mr. Oh trying to kill KPJ in this state because if JMr learns he knew who KPJ really is he knows KPJ is the bigger threat to them all especially him knowing that he's JBc biological dad.. I can't see him leaving him alive knowing all this could blow up in there faces.. So I don't know if JMr is behind dads death but it could be out of the three dad Jmr and the brother at this point we see they all capable of killing fir there own selfish greed..
I don't want to see Cheong A destroyed I want to see this revenge served cold to then all best revenge is to take it all and make G/pa give it up it or go to jail himself which he'll do because he don't want to damage his rep
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9 hours ago, larus said:
I can believe that Mal Ran had something to do with her husband`s death (if she knew that he wanted to divorce her), that she wanted to get rid of the other family. It is understandable why Mal Ran is afraid of Jang Eun-cheon being alive now. Jung Mal Ran ordered the death of the other family after her husband died. She was vulnerable in the family, because she knew that her son is not biologically a Jang and there were two boys who could have enter the family, two more rivals at the title of the heir of Cheong-A group. Now Jung Mal Ran is tormented by Eun Cheon. He could reveal what she has done in the past, he could be a new heir.
On 12/21/2017 at 12:37 AM, UnniSarah said:The grandfather sickened me. I think his punishment would be to live to see his company be destroyed and losing all his money to KPJ would be the best revenge. I was pisssed at Jang Sung Man for choosing to abandon his father but not anymore.
I dislike the grandfather also and more than that his company, what it represents. Cheong-A group is his empire. I wish Kang Pil Joo will distroy it and not own it. Let Jang family have parts of Cheon A without a sole heir. But then I am thinking... if Cheon A was a kingdom, I wish to be destroyed because i can`t stand the fight between princes?
@larus I couldn't agree with you more about JMR her and Mr. Oh killed him.. I think he found out about who JBC dad was. (Mr Oh) JMR knew he had grounds for the divorce.. Come on she was sleeping with the driver.. I still think it was a set up on her and Mr. Oh maybe even G/pa was involved.. I don't think he knew she was pregnant at the time they hoodwink him into marriage with her but I think he found out about her and Mr. Oh and decided to bring his own kids into the family to raise instead of raising the drivers B tard child it's sort of payback to them all taking him way from the woman he loved and his children..
Now this has always been a fight G/pa had brothers fighting against brothers now male cousin against male cousin.. The biggest fight for them all is right in there face.. I now don't want to see Cheong A destroyed but I would like to see KPJ head pf it all I mean after all this is what his brother and father died for destroying it wouldn't bring satisfaction to him nor curve that revenge the best revenge is to take it all including the woman to..
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15 hours ago, Gerry58 said:
@picadrama- nice article, good analysis.
Sorry should be Park Se young.
Looks like NMH's father died. Poor thing, but anticipating her transformation, this drama is so good, you don't know what to expect
I'm back everyone.. Drop my laptop and broke it had to buy new one.. Life was boring for a few days no money flower or dramas.. SCREAM.. But good to be back.. Now to @Gerry58 and all others that thinks her father is dead I have a theory on this it could be uncle had him killed.. We all know it couldn't come from G/pa or JBC side because of what he could achieve from him if he makes presidency..
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Excellent Post @bebebisous33 & @philosophie My thoughts on some of your commemts:
@philosophie I think JSM was threaten into marrying her or have something happen to JEC and mother if he didn't.. Yes he could marry her but I don't think JMR marriage to JSM was ever registered.. Per @bebebisous33 comment below.
This most likely the case in scenario.. JMR found herself in a losing situation all the way around. Not being legally married to him would have put her in a bind she had no other choice but to get rid of those children and mother.. JMR did some careful planning like I said she had to get rid of JSM and all the rest connected to him... This is the only way to make up for her sleeping with Mr Oh.. JMR has been getting revenge on this family for a long time now due to the fact that she loved a man that never once thought to love her and he could have told her about his already made family from the beginning to get her to stop the marriage but in the end the already made family became the weapon to the marriage with her..
As for Cheong A JBC is out of the picture no doubt.. JBC job now is not Cheong A it's to kill JEC even if he has to use NMH to do it because JBC knows NMH will be a weapon to get JEC where he needs to be to kill him.. I don't think he's man enough to face him..
@bebebisous33 Cheong A foundation could be the very link to G/ma and how the old Man JKH has misused his authority.. The foundation could be the very core to a will that G/ma had that the old man wanted it kept under wraps.. I'm still thinking she knew if the kids from the former family and decided with her son to bring his children into the family.. I'm also curious to know is her death a legot one we know nothing about her due to they never say much about her.. But when OI think on things G/pa and JMR seems to have been in cohoots for a long time when it comes to killings.. Did G/pa use Secty Oh to get rid of the wife ?