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I'm watching the MUD ep...

 

And I still think that KJK is very nervous when they start talking about JSM. He blinks a lot, he touches his neck. and he gets serious when JSM responds (end of this gif) (Before this he was completely calm)

 

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weird part for me when JSM respond...

"My career isn't going so well. And i can't get into a relationship."

 

I don't know if it's true or false, but, I think she shouldn't say that knowing it's going to air on TV....

 

Sorry, but, it's 99% scripted

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, MandelBrot said:

I'm watching the MUD ep...

 

And I still think that KJK is very nervous when they start talking about JSM. He blinks a lot, he touches his neck. and he gets serious when JSM responds (end of this gif) (Before this he was completely calm)

 

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weird part for me when JSM respond...

"My career isn't going so well. And i can't get into a relationship."

 

I don't know if it's true or false, but, I think she shouldn't say that knowing it's going to air on TV....

 

Sorry, but, it's 99% scripted

 

 

 

 

Body languange never lie 

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But yes the body language is always interesting, it makes me wanna buy a book and learn about it. I actually find it fascinating how much our bodies can say subconsciously. :open_mouth:

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Erm @kookmin forever, are you new here? Please delete your post, we don't do or say things like that on this forum to any of the members least of all, one half of kookmin itself. I am a JSM fan and she deserves the best but so does KJK. He is not stingy, neither is he selfish. He's a sweetheart. So he has his guards up when it comes to dating and relationships, who doesn't? I'm not even a hardcore fan of his but know his whole spendthrift image on MUD is an exaggeration. This is someone that easily lends money to people and has been duped many times by his "friends" and still keeps on giving. I don't think the image stingy or selfish applies to such a human being. Contrary to your username, I don't really think you're a kookmin fan or shipper because no one thinks of kjk on this forum that way. "Loves feeling the desires of the women around him" wtf does that even mean? Please erase your post kindly, it wouldn't do for other shippers to come on here eagerly to read new observations and theories and see such insults towards uri Kookie because I really don't understand the intention of your post or what you were expecting. Agreement? Support? Thank-yous? This is a non toxic ship, insulting members especially a part of kookmin itself is something we don't and won't do. Give kjk the same energy you give jsm. Because they both deserve it.

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2 hours ago, kookmin forever said:

After watching the two episodes
reading your comments and different opinions here and on each site
I think I feel angry and frustrated because she does not deserve all this

 

There is a rule of thumb venting frustration here: this fan page is fan of either SOmin or Jong Kook individually. Before you can post any frustration, you have to understand or know both sides. Please avoid venting frustration on particular person with misjudgment here in this public post. It does hurt the whole thread as whole rather than just individual post speaking for itself. 

 

Before we can judge anyone harshly because of our emotions and frustration, just make sure you can make analysis and understanding that comes from both sides. We are no stranger to frustration with Jong Kook's slow romance style, but it takes time to understand both and their nature. We just have to remember that there is a line between private and public lives of the celebrities. They have their own needs and wants. 

 

Please try to understand our concerns over your comment that will offend Jong Kook's fans that is part of this thread. Please be careful to vent your frustration and ask us to help you with analysis even though it is frustrating. Ask question more than giving statement when it comes to frustration. The others will help to post answers or analysis for you to clear up the misunderstanding. 

 

We can ask...

oh dear, why is Jong Kook is like that? I have to admit that i dont know him well. But his romance style is frustrating. I hope Somin gets to be with someone she deserves to be with right away. 

 

This thread is very open minded but sensitive because they are not only kook-min fans. A lot of Jong Kook's friends and family are quite frustrated with him, but he has a reason. He slowly revealed the reason and the pain behind it. He couldn't recover the break up with a person he had decided to marry. He is also very loyal to his friend that he wouldn't date his friend's ex. He draws the line on that. That could be reason for dealing with chan-min loveline why he pushes the loveline more than considering Somin's feelings. We will be able to answer with our analysis, but for sure, we dont really know. We just wonder. I believe Jong Kook's friendship with Sechan got in the way with his relationship with Somin. His friends do come first because Jong Kook once said he wouldnt date with someone who has history with his best friend. He wouldnt be close to his friend who is dating his ex. He would ask him to leave their friendship to date the girl. Because of that, it may come from his painful experience, because once he falls in love, he will give her his everything. That is the reason for his slow process in romance. Somin in other hand is quite different because of her nature. She is born as aries. Her personality tends to want to have fast results and get over with. She doesn't wait too long for a reason. She does not know whether he likes her or not. It confused her in some ways. But knowing what Jong Kook have been through, she can make decision to stay and find a way to weasel to his heart. Somin sacrificed a lot for love. She became love frog, participating Chan-min love line, and etc. Somin also had painful breakups in the past that contributed her cautious way to handle romance. 

 

I dont know too much about Jong kook, but I have observed him for a long time that I was not early kook-min shipper. I had some judgement about him but it takes observation and time to understand who he really is. Jong kook is very private and meticulous person. He takes things seriously to draw the line what is real and what is not. Sometimes it is frustrating even HaHa admitted that. 

 

Just remember, this is not only kook-min fans/shippers, they are individually fans of Somin or Jong kook. So be careful to share what you are venting about. 

 

 

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Hi @kookmin forever, while we understand your frustration at KJK (a lot of fans do get frustrated with him), please refrain from labelling him as selfish & stingy when every fan knows that the true KJK is opposite.

 

If you are angry because of watching MUD, please note that MUD is scripted (way more heavily than RM) and the celebs are acting out a fixed persona and over-exaggerates it for comedy. MUD is not a variety show on weird bachelor celebs, it is a show where bachelor celebs try to bring laughter to the moms.

 

A selfish man would not 'sacrifice' himself for the better of his loved ones/close friends - he will not play the villian role to be hated by so many audience for a variety show. He will not bear the bodily pain for a variety show. He will not go & persuade his close friends to stay on for a show which stabbed him in the back.

 

A stingy man will not treat his friends to meals or buy presents for them. Neither will he pick up tabs for others when he meet them in the restaurant (refer to 5 cranky brothers episode with Sistar). He will not invest in a friend's restaurant without asking for returns.

 

I will not label such a person as "love himself only". So please do not vent your frustration on him like this.

 

Thank you.

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i think it is okay to feel confused after watching MUD. it means we are not blindly believing in something. i wouldn't say i was also not confused seeing MUD, but i believe that was the purpose of that segment, to make people think there could be real feelings involved. funnily, they promoted the loveline without both jsm and ysc having to confess anything which was what the initial articles claimed. it was also funny how they kept ysc out of talking to jsm. if that had happened, the loveline would have fallen flat. ysc would have been too flustered to say anything and jsm would have said things like "are you crazy?". haha overdoes stuff, kjk puts in just enough to make people feel ysc could be interested without either of the two putting the same pressure on jsm.

 

the whole purpose of that segment was to set up the loveline because haha and ysc didn't seem bothered at all that kjk had turned 45 without any GF in sight. kjk's memory turned very hazy when it came to his last relationship and haha was quite understanding, which is so unlike him. nobody mentioned kjk in connection with jsm even once when RM has pitted kjk as part of the love triangle. neither did kjk explain or deny anything about jsm. it was all chanmin. even kjk's love segment test was a joke. kjk kept saying he prefers to meet someone naturally and i think he answered some of the questions like whether he feels lonely eating alone untruthfully. kjk always specifies when he is eating alone on instagram, so it definitely bothers him. kjk's mom looked nervous throughout. i wouldn't say it was all pleasant and happy despite all the laughs. kjk looked a bit down by himself all alone. when i see him in his house doing stuff by himself, i really feel for him. i know he has friends who might drop into meet him and he may not find it lonely since he has a packed schedule most of the time, but i really want to see him all happy and cheerful in that house. ah well, it does help maintain his image of the stingy. loveless bachelor. lol

 

i cannot speculate on their status since they keep confusing us, but if jsm has ever had feelings for kjk, i don't think he would push her to ysc or anyone else. so rest assured he is not doing a noble idiotic thing by pretending he cannot see jsm likes him and telling her to date ysc, her official loveline instead. if he is not interested, he might pull back and not stay in touch so that he doesn't muddle up her feelings further. if it is a one-sided love, he would know she needs to move on, at her own pace, without him confusing her further. if ysc was exactly jsm's type, i could see the point of setting her up with him, but he is not. above all, this is done on public television, not in a  private meet up. 

 

that has to be kept in mind. it is for a broadcast. even if we imagine a kdrama-like scenario where the male lead, out of noble idiocy, is setting up the female lead with the second male lead, are they fools to do it in front of dozens of cameras? what if secrets get blurted out and the wrong things get mentioned? haha puts his phone on speaker when jsm speaks. do you really think she doesn't know they are doing it for broadcast? imagine a scenario where a groggy jsm starts speaking all intimate stuff on phone, things nobody would want to be revealed! of course, they have a team which will edit out some of the stuff. still, do you really want cameramen and other staff to get to know your personal secrets? so take all of it with a pinch of salt. out of the three, i would say haha spends the least time with jsm compared to the other two. ysc and jsm regularly hang out and kjk seems the most up to date about jsm, like knowing the length of the wall of her drawing room, the first to mention on the show she has a book coming out, knowing about hanna's radio show when she has invited jsm to be the first guest. so it is ludicrous to hear haha acting as the expert telling kjk and ysc about his intimate chat with jsm regarding her private life when the other two may know better. it is far more ludicrous to imagine somebody like ysc, so close to jsm and a sensible man in all respects, thinking she may develop feelings for him so quickly when her erstwhile feelings have all been for kjk.

 

if jsm really likes kjk and wants to marry him, but he won't commit, the best thing he can do is to stay away and not look so happy every time she mentions him or act cute just to make her happy. he notices even the slight change in her voice, so how can he not care? every time anybody mentions ysc and she should go for a movie together, he says he should also be part of the group. how would that help jsm if she is trying to move on from him? ysc too might have someone like jsm mentioned in her ig live. besides, he is pretty confident when it comes to dating from all the stories about him. he doesn't need kjk's permission or help to date jsm.

 

i don't know where things are headed with kookmin, but keep in mind that many things happen which we have no clue of. for instance, who could see chul min pd quitting all of a sudden when the 500th episode is just a few episodes away? since everything happens these days on broadcast and the loveline is being played out on two sbs shows,  i would think it is important for RM and sbs in some way. i can only speculate but perhaps there are fears about what will happen to rm if two popular members quit all of a sudden. rm will just sink. sbs might want to phase out older members and bring in new members so that the brand value will remain. until they find someone who can take jsm's place on the team and be as successful as her, her quitting for marriage will upset the whole dynamics of the show. she trends almost every episode, would the rm pds want her to quit all of a sudden? there might be other reasons which may become clearer to us in the future. who knows what the future holds?

 

bottomline: this was too kdrama-esque scenario for me to buy it. nobody pushes together two people on broadcast like this when there are real feelings involved.

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Hi All,

 

Just an update.

 

Thank you.

 

 

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Interesting...

if kookmin like each others but jsm only wait kjk confesses his feeling to her it will be warning for kjk (do it now or she leave u) maybe yjs,hh,ysc tried for that.

when woman like and feel comfortable with a man and only wait his confess to be official but man not confesses his feeling yet, woman will feel uncertain.

Most of women doesnt like relationship without status, sometime better with a man that love you so much than with a man that you love so much.

maybe kjk need someone that love and will confess his feeling to jsm to wake up him, if he not confess his feeling he will lost her forever.:sweatingbullets:

 

 

 

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@kookmin forever i can understand confusion but not this kind of extreme reaction. if you are shipping kookmin without understanding kjk, then there is no point being in this ship. if you believe kjk is the kind of stingy, selfish man you portray him to be, forget about kookmin, why are you even watching rm? if kjk, in a scenario you can't imagine right now, ends up with jsm in the future, pretty sure there will be another group who will curse him and portray him exactly like you do now. what moral right will you have to judge them when you behave like this right now?

 

sadly, i see lots of misunderstanding about kjk in certain circles. people believe that his rm or mud image is him and he is someone who doesn't care about who misunderstands him as long as he is truthful to himself. people like kjk have a hard time in this world. 

 

for instance, i hear people blaming kjk for bringing ysc on the show. they believe kjk recommended him because that is what kjk claimed on the show. what is the truth? kjk and ysc met outside the show for the first time when ysc visited 401 restaurant for a big picture shoot after he joined rm. they had no previous contact outside the show. when kjk meets ysc in his restaurant, he tells him he should keep in touch with him outside the show because that will help in a good working relationship. recently, kjk said ysc's RM debut wasn't impressive, so it definitely was not a recommendation based on kjk's appraisal of his RM performance either. it is a puzzle then. neither did kjk know ysc outside the show nor was his RM performance impressive enough for kjk. then how did kjk end up recommending ysc? it seems more likely that kjk wanted the audience to accept the new male member with open arms because his approval would have mattered to them since he was the male member who had just been fired. if kjk had looked displeased in any way with ysc's inclusion, it would have been a harder time for the new male member who would have been seen as kjk's rival. kjk, instead, took ysc under his wings, made him part of his group and nurtured him. 

 

people talk about sjh not being herself on the show ever since the firing. kjk also went through the same thing, but he never let us see what it meant for him. he made us believe he was alright and we bought it. that doesn't mean it was easy for him. just because some people don't choose to express themselves openly, don't presume they don't have feelings or are hard-hearted. they may just believe in keeping their worries and sorrows to themselves and not burden others with them.

 

if you don't want to be in the ship or want to ship jsm with someone else, you are welcome. however, at least as a RM fan, it would be good to know a bit more about kjk before you pass such harsh judgments on his character.

 

leave aside everything else. just remember that these are real people who go through all the joys and sorrows we do. they show us 1% of their real lives. it is a terrible thing to wish any of them bad luck in their lives based on our poor knowledge of their real selves. 

 

 

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Not related to Kookmin. I have quite some concerns with RM Philippines because most local prefers international stars than their own. However, here is my list of lineup for RM Philippines 

Spoiler

Nico Bolizico (kwangsoo)

Scarlet Belo (Somin)

Alana Antonio (HaHa) 

Lisa Sombero (Jihyo)

Vice Ganda (MC)

James or Phil Younghusband (Jong Kook)

one of female comedian who married someone quite young but she is really funny. I can't remember or reall her name. (Sukjin) 

 

That's what I could think of. Yes, Alana and Scarlet are kids-- but they are ratings boosters with great sense of humour and fully of cuteness. 

 

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The thing is that, I think haha is helping somin to understand jong kook’s slow romance. I find it interesting that haha included jong kook in his conversation with somin about love. It makes more sense to talk about sechan. It doesn’t make senses to talk about jong kook. Haha sort of provoke him for a reason to answer why he has habit of slow romance or none at all for butting in dates or etc especially with chanmin loveline. It wasn’t first time somin and sechan often hang out together. If he really want to push chanmin loveline, why does he suggest three to go together? Somin and sechan aren’t even strangers. Haha. Jong kook’s action contradicts his words a lot. 
 

I also notice jong kook’s mom is quite uneasy but forced to get along. They put caption that she wants jong kook to mind his own loveline when he needs one. Jong kook was put into lovelines so many times for mud. And this time he gets to be matchmaker. Why make his mom uneasy this time? She didn’t laugh out loud like she usually do. She looks quite cautious than the rest like she knows something. Somin is a wonderful girl. Does any mother would love to know about her and why she is mentioned again matching up two different guys? What is wrong with jong kook? Why not talk about her bit and show her clips to bring other mother’s interest for their own sons? Somin is seeking anyone who can make her love, laugh, and filled with happiness. Sechan said no. Why not lay other suggestions of handsome guys in the list? So it must be quite scripted to promote chamin loveline. 
 

Mud episode made me laugh so hard with haha’s ridiculousness. And jong kook trying to play along to promote sechan. It is just the dynamic is so weird and and crazy. Haha lives up to his game. Somin gave him his new persona, crazy conspiracy theorist. Haha 

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at this point, it is a long shot but don't you think there could be a script for each son's development arc for a new year? like kjk, in the beginning of 2020, is still the cranky old bachelor from two years back. nothing has changed - his room is the same, he is still obsessed with tissues and not wasting water. he doesn't wear black, but then he also has plenty of whites in his wardrobe, so it is not worth pointing out. he is still without a girlfriend and his love life just seems so sad. however, he doesn't believe in blind dates or meeting up women just to date. if it happens organically as in if there is a woman he is familiar with, it could happen. but the only woman in his circle who gets mentioned on mud recently, who is in a similar position as him and looking for love, could be interested in his favorite dongsaeng. he had tried to set up the said girl with another man a year back, but it had ended quite weirdly with the man raising some valid questions about the strange equation between the two. however, let's forget that episode for now. it doesn't exist. what matters is that his dongsaeng doesn't openly say it aloud, but he may also be interested in the said girl. our old bachelor is definitely only interested in setting up his dongsaengs at this point. if all three go out on a movie date because someone has to chaperone them, perhaps chanmin may realise their feelings for each other and start dating. or perhaps not. who knows?

 

it is such a weird beginning for kjk's character arc for the new year, right? it should be about him trying to find love rather than trying to find love for his dongsaengs. he is 10 years older than them and still without a woman in sight. next episode, he may visit his extended family where his older relatives may all refuse to see his face unless he visits them with his wife next year. will our ugly duckling find love? is there a script to all this? or is it me deluding myself? let's see. :)

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43 minutes ago, kookminclan RunningMan said:

at this point, it is a long shot but don't you think there could be a script for each son's development arc for a new year?

There is definitely an arc and a script. It is something Jong Kook's kfans have been talking about for awhile now. 

 

Jong Kook's arc is basically "thrifty and single."

 

It's true that he's shy and introverted around people he's not comfortable with, but wanting to go on a date in groups is actually pretty normal. A lot of people do that. 

 

In fact, not only his fans, but other netizens didn't really like the way arc they chose for him in this particular episode. Because, ever since he joined the show, he never had the whole "oh, I'm so single and can't get a girlfriend" character unlike some of the other sons on the show. 

 

But then suddenly, the show wants portray him as such isn't sitting well with the show's audience. Also, they really want to see Somin as a panelist soon. 

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@kookminclan RunningMan I also think there is a script for each son in MUD. I mean them saying kjk is still a cranky old bachelor as usual with the same attitude is kinda funny when I'm seeing otherwise from RM. Unless kjk had a character change on RM, I mean we can all agree that he is definitely brighter these days. The man was doing cute skits in the latest episode for God's sake and was enjoying it and made a certain someone very happy doing it. He talks more, teases more and laughs more. Our cranky bachelor isn't so cranky anymore. Unless I'm seeing changes that aren't there. 

 

It really amazes me how they haven't made a connection between him and jsm. Let's even ignore the fact that he cares too much about her lovelife, a generosity I haven't seen him extend to his other female dongsaengs on his show. But they are literally around eachother all the time (on the show at least) and around eachother outside too it seems because that duet didn't practice itself. How he always wants to third wheel when she's being paired up with someone? Let's even start from the earlier days when he called to pair her up with his friend and started making plans to hang out with her later? Yjs has brought them up 2 or 3 times true but the fact that everyone simply ignores the fact that those two have been as tight as thieves for a while has me constantly raising a brow up in suspicion. We'll see how this dramatic tale will end. Like the man literally glows around her, he radiates such pink and bright energy. He really should wear pink this year, it looks good on him-_-

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@kookmin forever Kindly refrain from bad mouthing KJK or JSM on this forum. We all love them both and wish the best for them, whether they are or will be together or not. 

 

To long time KJK fans, can you recommend shows of his that I can watch? I watched 'Dragon's Club' recently and can confidently say he is not frugal as they show on MUD. He spends money sensibly, is not a fan of extravagance, and wants to spend on his family. 

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