[Drama 2021] Red Shoes, 빨강 구두

[LeftCoastOppa]

Episode 17 (raw)

 

Well she knows ...

 

I really enjoyed this episode, even without subs it was fairly easy to follow. I especially like HK's nightmare scenes where it all comes together, and starts to see Jin-Ah even when she's awake - I hope the subs don't take anything away from those scenes

 

Only part I'm not sure about is whats going on with the late night texting between Jin-Ah and Playboy - you can see already Hye Bin is pissed that Jin-Ah did the shoe shoot - she's going to be even more pissed when she asks mom to can her, because the way HK was reacting in the nightmare sequences, finally recognizing Jin-Ah has messed her up a bit ... at least thats my take minus subs

 

I'm surprised we got the identity reveal this early, I hope the drama doesn't stall because of it.

 

 

 

 

[joccu]

im surprised by the  speed. but also I like it. 

[lila21]

3 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:

Well she knows ...

 

I really enjoyed this episode, even without subs it was fairly easy to follow. I especially like HK's nightmare scenes where it all comes together, and starts to see Jin-Ah even when she's awake - I hope the subs don't take anything away from those scenes

 

I liked this episode too even without subs. Can't run away from karma, it will haunt her.  For one thing it seems playboy for the first time really genuinely cares for another person, other than himself and he does not to know what to do about it. 

[Nymeria289]

1 hour ago, lila21 said:

 For one thing it seems playboy for the first time really genuinely cares for another person, other than himself and he does not to know what to do about it. 

I kind of feel weirded out by this, because there's another key player missing in all of this. Hyeok Sang's legal son from his first wife/heir to their fortune has yet to show up. I always thought we'd get the triangle involving Gemma, Ki Seok and him. But with Hyun Seok in the mix, not too sure. I love how Gemma always one up's Hye Bin. She's picking up the vibes Hyun Seok feels for Gemma faster than both Gemma and playboy. 

[youactlikeicare]

2 hours ago, Nymeria289 said:

I kind of feel weirded out by this, because there's another key player missing in all of this. Hyeok Sang's legal son from his first wife/heir to their fortune has yet to show up. I always thought we'd get the triangle involving Gemma, Ki Seok and him. 

I keep waiting for him to show up. I couldn't even see his name on the cast list, so I am not sure if he is showing up anytime soon. 

[yamiyugi]

So finally caught up with episode 15 and 16. Apparently 17 isn’t out even in RAW format from where I stream my videos. Not that I would be tempted to watch it like that for the moment. Hopefully by the time that I am done with my post the episode will be out. As of now my thoughts on both of these issues are as follows. Episode 15 was meh and I wasn’t all that impressed. 16 was slightly better but I still feel like there was little to no progress made in the story in any way whatsoever. Gemma hasn’t moved on with her plans for Revenge, Designer Mum though is one step closer in figuring out that Gemma is the one behind the posts atleast even if she doesn’t realize that she is her daughter.

 

The missing kiss scene that wasn’t resolved for us viewers wasn’t all that important to bug me. Infact if anyone wants to know what happened just assume that it was the male lead dreaming this time round and I guess that we will be even.

 

Now moving on to my main post since I know that I am bound to ramble on so best to get to it quick.

 

Spoiler

 

Now for starters why I wasn’t so impressed with episode 15. The answer is that the characters were just to dumb or weird even for my normal viewing standard.

 

Take Gemma for example in this episode decides to sneak into her company to raid her mother’s office looking for evidence that she stole all those designs and whatnot. Did anyone notice the outfit that she was wearing it totally didn’t look suspicious correct. I know that it is wrong of me to judge someone by their attire but I just couldn’t help myself over here. Now had she been wearing the same outfit when she was trying to let’s say follow someone in the dark said outfit would make a lot of sense since it would make her harder to be spotted and all. But at her workplace it made her stick out like a sore thumb. Lucky for her the security was terrible (guard was dozing of at his post) and Designer Mum just didn’t have enough evidence to stop her even though she was suspicious and all.

 

Well, the Security team finally had to pay the price for being so lax in episode 16 by the entire team getting fired. LoL wait who will stop actual thieves from entering the place now. While we are on this topic how did one of the victims even know that Designer Mum keeps all the stolen desings/evidence in her office. It isn’t like Desinger Mum is going to be bragging to them about it. I get that it was to advance the plot and all but please show us some logic.

 

Also have to say that Gemma had suprisngly perfect timing to get out and even try and leave the office in the same condition as when she entered even fixing the picture frame that she placed down. But was it because she gave up searching for said evidence or knew somehow that her mother was back in the building because that is the only thing that makes sense for her to grab fake material from the store room and pretend to leave? Did she perhaps have Bestie on Lookout duty and was thus warned. It would have perhaps been nice to know.

 

As for the missing phone Gemma also managed to crack the code pretty fast. Look I get that she had three dates to work on from the start and all but even they aren’t so simple as a simple code as 9999 probable variations and even if you reduce some of them, they still are a lot. Also don’t smart phones have a limited number of tries before they lock down to prevent them being accessed by intruders and all. Again her multiple attempts could be shown with her having scratched out possible variations that failed on a paper for this to be more believable. Because this means that either she is a super genius code breaker. This seems to be hard to believe since her revenge plan isn’t going as well as I expected or her mother is extremely dumb. Which again seems a bit hard to believe as how could such a person have run and maintained a company for so long without any major issues. Okay apparently, she did have issues but still the company’s success says a lot including the design thefts and all.

 

Am still not getting the dream sequence for the kisses right. Just when did she fall asleep that she is already dreaming of kissing the male lead. Normally when you have a dream sequence one can easily tell due to the lighting in the room or even the lack of other people etc… but not in this drama. The topic of dream like sequence also brings me up to the fact of how both parents seemed to be sharing one in episode 16 regarding the fateful night of the accident and all. I guess the writer is trying to display them with some sort of conscience and that they feel guilty. Atleast for Sloppy he kind of reminds me on one of the female characters in one of Shakespeare’s plays. Sadly, the name has slipped my mind at the moment. Unfortunately for me I am not buying this guy’s guilty conscience at this point. I mean if the guy actually felt guilty for his actions back in the day and still has issues, he had a bunch of years to make things right. Best case scenario secretly be the benefactor to Designer Moms kids thus when Gemma discovers the truth, she could hesitate to take her revenge on him. Better yet bring the kids into his family even if it was a few years late. Did he do any of that no instead even when he knew that one of her kids was sick, he still didn’t let her go see him. Instead reminding her of her promise to cut off all ties with her previous family and all.

 

So, no I don’t feel sorry for either of the parents at the time being. Also not looking forward to Designer Mum discovering the identity of Gemma so soon as well. What kind of mystery would that turn out to be then? Infact this would make her one step ahead of Gemma all along which would be a headache in my opinion atleast.

 

Now moving back to the topic of Gemma watching her mothers’ new family’s video on her (mothers) phone. I mean wouldn’t it simply be smarter for her to copy all of the data on it not only as a backup but also for safety reasons. That way nobody would be able to question her why she has a different phone all of a sudden or something along those lines. Speaking along those lines doesn’t anyone over here find it weird that Professor heads into her room to invite her for a movie. (Basically, he managed to sneak in since she didn’t hear him knock so he entered himself). At this point does one honestly believe that he didn’t glance on her phone to know what she was also watching. Wasn’t he a bit curious before he interrupted her? Just feels a bit weird and off.

 

As for the speed of the romance between the two leads as of know just feels a bit weird as well. From my experiences a Fast Romance = a Doomed Romance. Seldom have we gotten a happy ending in that regard. Plus, we can’t seem to forget that there is still the mysterious son of the Chairman to show up causing a romance triangle/square to follow. But that still isn’t the actual bit of concern for me. This has more to do with the background of the Professor’s previous relationship. After the incident he seems to be more suspicious of people and their character yet whenever it comes to Gemma, he becomes more trusting and whatnot. infact he even had an issue with her moving into his house for the exact same reason yet now he is so infatuated with her that he wants to be in a relationship with her of sorts. Since he isn’t committing himself and all. But that just sort of feels odd. If he is developing feelings for her it would be better if it is explained why he is falling for her and all. For instance, when it comes to Gemma it makes sense since he has always been nice and considerate towards her etc… But for him I don’t get it. Sure, she gave one of her kidneys to save his grandmothers life but it wasn’t for free and in return he cleared her debts and all. So, he owes her nothing at this point. Does he like her because she seems more honest and all? I would still like to see more development over here before they move on full steam ahead of a doomed romance. Then again when you have romance like that trust needs to be built otherwise you simply end up hurting the other person.

 

For instance, let’s look at USB/Security incident at work where Playboy managed to successfully swap said USB for a fake one. (Will be getting into that shortly). When he handed over the USB to Gemma, he informed her that it wasn’t for free. This means that she owes him one. The best way I can see him asking her to pay back said favour would be to ask her out for a meal/drinks. We can be sure that the wrong party will witness this. Probably Sagaji and she will report this to the Professor and the grandmother etc.. this will end up causing mistrust and hurt between the main leads. It is not like she can tell him the actual reason why she was forced to meet up with his brother now can see. Either way she looks bad.

 

As for the USB swapping incident like some of you I just find it weird as it doesn’t make a lot of logical sense even with the explanation of the characters. Gemma rushes down the stairs to the security room only for Designer Mom to snatch the USB right out of her hands at that moment. So how did she manage to make it down just as quickly. Did the tech agent contact her after failing to get a response to his phone message or did Designer Mum have poor/good timing and decided to recheck on the results only to be informed that it was done. So she leaves just then and as an elevator is faster than a person who had been rushing down the stairs she had the edge?

 

Then we had Playboy suddenly figure out where Gemma was rushing of in a panic. How did that happen? He also claimed that he had to rush to get another USB for the swap which again was the same as the one the security team used. How did he know which make and model they used? Does the company have a store which sells of stuff like that and the security simply purchase their items including USB’s from there as well? While that certainly makes the purchase more logical it still doesn’t explain how he not only figured out what was going on and why would he want to help Gemma out. Does he actually like her to do anything for her? If that is the case just how far is he willing to go to do so. Also just how much has he figured out of what is going on over here.

 

For instance, I would feel that it would be far more interesting if he has already realized that Designer Mom stole the designs from Gemma and she was trying to find said evidence in her office and she was caught on the CCTV. Further bonus points if he has already watched the files on the USB before handing it over to her. (Perhaps this helped him figure it out quicker). I guess that while the pace of other revelations is going so fast the writer thought that it was okay to miss out on this. While it makes sense to an extent and we don’t need to be spoon-fed all of it. I do feel that at times it helps or better yet when we aren’t shown totally useless scenes such as the Siamese Twins and all. Seriously I am surprised that nobody as likened them to an old married couple at this point. The way those two bickers but at the same time stick around each other seems to give out that kind of vibe at times. The closest was in episode 15 when the son and brother point out that those two were not only back to arguing but were also in perfect sync as evidenced by them denying all of this. Also, not sure how I feel about one of the Siamese showing a romantic interest in the brother. If he has any sense, he should probably leave that house for safety purposes and all.

 

Geon Woo still seems to have no character development but the writers are smart enough to give him much screen time so we can’t blame and curse him too much. I just feel as a character that makes him sort of a waste. I don’t think that he has brought anything to the table as well.

 

So now that Designer Mum has a new phone it means that the phone that Gemma has is mostly useless unless she uses some of the files/messages to her advantage. Such as perhaps forwarding the message that Scrooge wrote to her mother to Sloppy to cause a further rift between the couple and all. Though this will alert Designer Mum that the wrong person has access to her phone and all. How long before she figures the truth out after that remains to be seen.

 

Wait so Designer Mum can easily walk into a room of a sick person and leave with an extra bag and nobody is the wiser about it. Why would grandma let her visit Gemma when she is all alone and not only that but is also sleeping? Again, I feel that it was for plot purposes but come on please make sense dear Writer. The shoes clearly indicate to Designer Mum that Gemma has a motive to break into her office or be responsible for the posts that were posted online but it might have been smarter if she left them alone. I guess she thought that Gemma could use that as evidence against her down the line so she felt that it would be safer to steal it back then. I can only assume that those shoes haven’t been released to the public at this point if she feels secure in doing so. Otherwise, Gemma can simply come up with the excuse that she purchased them as a gift for a male friend and she wouldn’t need to prove otherwise.

 

Designer Mom is also getting irrational which is just plain wrong. I get that she is ambitious enough to take over her husband’s company and life but she needs to learn to control her outbursts. For instance, when Sloppy was furious at her for behaving like an Escort towards Scrooge she tried to justify her actions and claim that she was doing so to prevent their company from going bankrupt and that she was only following the methods that he taught her to survive. Now he should simply go along with the flow since they were in the final stretch of their goals and all. Not only that but when her daughter enters the room when she overhears them arguing she scolds her as well. Frankly I was half expecting the daughter to complain about the fact that they may all end up on the street if they go bankrupt. That didn’t happen. But I guess at the end of the day it simply indicates that Designer Mum is only looking out for her own interests and isn’t all that bothered about her own families including her current daughter and all.

 

So, it seems that she has been trying to do a background check on Gemma for some time now since she sees her as a possible threat and wants to get rid of her. The important thing will be then to see her reaction once she figures out the truth. Her nature doesn’t allow her to abandon all that she has gained so far so I guess she is going to end up rejecting Gemma once more which I feel is far worse. This means that Gemma is going to end up getting abandoned by her parents two times which isn’t good at all. I guess the mother will try to get rid of her so will end up trying to expose the fact to the grandmother that all of her debts per paid in return of the kidney. Which will end up making the grandmother feel hurt and betrayed and will tell her to leave the house.

 

I guess now that Designer Mom knows that the shoe maker is on Gemma’s side so she is going to end up blackmailing him to continue to work with her in some manner or the other. Perhaps make Gemma out to be a liar and all. Speaking of that the speech where she declared herself and the company innocent of any wrongdoings did it seem that the workers over there believed her lies or were simply impressed by how she tried to pull it off. This seemed a bit unclear to me. LoL found it amusing how the daughter was going about how impressive her mother was and why people wanted to be like her. And I was going all along that there is one person in that room who has the exact opposite sentiment. Speaking of that is it actually wise of Gemma to be reading all those Anti-Comments regarding Designer Mum and the company during company hours. I mean I would feel it would be much safer if she did so at home where there wouldn’t be anyone to question her or feel suspicious regarding it. But at the company one might question as to what she was doing and why she was paying so much attention to the fact that was negative to them. The most suspicious would clearly be Designer Mum and her daughter. It further doesn’t help that when Sagaji confronted Gemma about the person responsible for the posts and all Gemma didn’t exactly deny the accusation. Now while that may all seem cool and all it isn’t.

 

I say this because like I have pointed out Gemma doesn’t seem to have an actual plan over here. At most it seems a few negative comments and perhaps an interview by a few comments places the company in a negative light. But as one can see Designer Mum seems to have gotten out of it by a cleverly placed press conference and all denying all the charges. What was Gemma’s back up plan to all of this? It doesn’t seem like she has one. Therefore, I am not so impressed with her as of now. On the other hand, if she had multiple plans to fall back on or have a continuous chain of attacks her admitting her role to Sagaji would be far more interesting and better as well.

 

You know what I am starting to suspect that Playboy is far more astute than one gives him credit for. Things tend to start to make a bit more sense if that is the case. For instance, when Professor and Gemma end up coming home together, he suggests that they may have been out on a date. Loan Granny is irked of by that and points out that he shouldn’t be making such kind of jokes and that a guy and girl can merely be together/friends and nothing more. I guess that while she likes Gemma, she doesn’t fully consider her family material as of now. (or good enough). Though in this case he has the slight edge that he knows that both of them have feelings for each other. So as a fair warning he tells his brother to either confess his feelings or be prepared for somebody else to step in and have Gemma for themselves. I guess he is hinting about himself. That does bring up the question as to whether he genuinely likes her or merely sees her as a challenge. After all every other girl is probably after him for his money. Sure, Sagaji is different but she just doesn’t make his heart beat all that fast.

 

He has actually seen some of Gemma’s shoe designs so he is sure to have recognized the design. He also noticed her reaction and how she left the room when Sagaji was credited for designing them and all. He might have been trying to confirm his hunch by bringing it up to Gemma who didn’t respond to it properly. But he might still have had his doubts regarding them. Then once he notices that Gemma is in trouble and might get fired due to being caught on the CCTV, he might have realized that his hunch was actually correct all along and that is why he tried to help her out and had a fake USB handy.

 

Come to think about it the actual footage of that night is still out there and the technician has promised to make sure whether the file may be corrupted or not before resending it to Designer Mum. This means that Gemma has only dodged the bullet but another one is bound to come after her unless she uses some clever method to get rid of it completely. If she does that, she will manage to actually impress me. But like I said she doesn’t seem to have any actual plan or a way to execute it without any kind of flaw or fix said flaw. Then again, we can simply hope that she has gotten lucky because Designer Mum has fired the entire Security Team. So, the new team might not be aware of the initial orders to send the recovered file to her. Perhaps Designer Mom was just being figurative and her assistant knows this so she hasn’t fired any of them. I guess we will just have to wait and see how much of her dodge has been successful.

 

Then on top of all this we have Playboy dating multiple girls and all and his reaction even when his grandmother finds the blonde at his home/apartment. He probably knows how much this will irk her so he goes on about it and how he should perhaps marry her and all. Just to get a rise out of his grandmother and perhaps make her give up on him since he doesn’t want to live upto her expectation and her way of life.

 

Even him offering Gemma the role of the model might be him trying to make things right between her and the company and that is his method of a compromise. He just doesn’t know her true backstory so like I said it will be far more interesting once he discovers it and just how far he plans on going to help her out.

 

Let’s be honest Gemma needs all the help that she can get considering the fact that she is bumbling through her revenge plan so far. Sure, Bestie is a good friend and is finally in the loop but there is only so much that she can do considering that she works in a totally different workplace. At most she can continue to write nasty comments regarding Designer Mum and all and try and keep tabs on her when she shows up to the restaurant. But other than that, nothing else comes to mind. The Siamese twins are far more useless since Designer Mum can clearly recognize them so they can’t even try and work undercover at the company as cleaning ladies. Plus, I guess even if they did who would help run the shop that they have recently opened. Clubber is without any kind of major job qualifications so again I doubt that he can help her and even if he can he has never shown any kind of major interest in her or her issues. We do have Sleazy the uncle but that guy always has his own agenda so she will really need to convince him to join her side and all.

 

Speaking of the fact I still find it amusing as to how people think that Designer Mum was having an affair and that is why she abandoned her family and is now having the best time of her life. Clearly that wasn’t the case. Sure, she abandoned them and all but she is legally married to Sloppy. Not only that he clearly indicated that he was going to divorce his first wife and he has probably done so. In this case he stated his intent and followed through this makes it harder for me to consider that either of them had an affair. Plus, she only started a relationship with him after her husband passed away in that accident. But like I said how they pulled of the marriage is still a mystery to me. I am assuming that Sloppy still thinks that his wife is unaware of the fact that he hit her Ex-Husband in that hit and run that night. So how would he make it that the husband would be okay with his wife going her separate way and marrying him when that can never be the case.

 

Does anyone else find it amusing as to how all these villains think that the people around them are trash for whatever reason but don’t realize that what they are doing is just as bad. For instance, she knows that Scrooge is making a pass at her or that he can easily be bribed to do her bidding but all that is okay on her end since she is getting what she wants. Yet the guy is thrash or scum for acting out in that way. Her husband is the same since he is a murderer yet she is fine being with him as long as she gets to live a life of comfort.

 

Sleazy thinks the same about Sloppy since he committed the hit and run but since he needed the money, he was okay to any terms whatsoever. But the moment he gets what he wants even he calls him a piece of trash. So blackmailing is okay and good but doing a hit and run/murderer is considered bad. Yep, totally see the logic behind all of this.

 

Okay so Designer Mum thinks that Lora is her company because she worked hard to make it stand where it currently is. Oh, please don’t make me laugh. Sure, I get that she may have been a talented designer back in the day and that may have certainly helped in the start. But she has long lost that spark and is now dependent on stealing from those weaker than her and she knows that she can silence because she has more power monetarily and all. But right now her actions are simply causing a scandal to her own company and there is clearly an amount of fires that she can put out before it turns into a full blown fire that will be next to impossible to get out of. So far that we can see is that she had the shoe design theft scandal which she has barely put out. Next Gemma probably needs to publish her posts between Scrooge and her. At this point Scrooge is probably going to try and rescue himself and either deny all charges and try to blame it all on her or he will immediately cut of all ties with her. This means that Designer Mum will have another set back temporarily. Not sure what else she can do to embarrass her. Revealing the fact that she was married and had a family that she abandoned seems like the next logical step but I am guessing that she is leaving that as the final bombshell and the fact that her family doesn’t need her anymore at this point leaving her all alone.

 

Darn it I can’t even remember any major plot points in episode 16. Has the show gotten that bad? I guess this means that I should probably end my post at this point.

 

 

Oh well before I do that let me get a bit off topic.

 

@maribella Thanks for the recommendation for Taxi Driver. It was actually a pretty good comedy and I was laughing a lot in that. Unless it wasn’t supposed to be one. Atleast when it came to the villains, I felt that while their crimes were certainly serious to an extent and all their behaviour was almost clownish. Infact just look at that guy that was the owner of the Cloud server agency. Totally funny including his lackeys and all. He is the exact same in his current drama The Devil Judge. As for the romance department you are again correct it wasn’t needed thus wasn’t missed at all. Just because someone works closely with another person in the same company, school or has common goals/interest means that they will end up in a romantic relationship unless it is fictious or a drama. Everyone ended up on good terms and that was the important fact.

 

As for the debate of the drama Selling Haunted Houses or whatever it was called. I would say that the romance was certainly about to start if it hadn’t already. It took me a moment to figure out all of your Blue Salt references and all. Regardless I would say that by the end it wouldn’t matter if he lost it or not since he shared a special bond with her since childhood. Was it because he was possessed back then by the eggless ghost or he was touching her when they fainted at that time is irrelevant at this point. though this would mean that even if he did lose his Blue Salt to her he would still be able to function as a psychic. Or atleast that is what I would assume. As for the romance it is more like the fact that she has taken large strides from where she originally started. Initially she was only working with him out of necessity and even felt him an annoyance but near the end she actually began to care about him to the extent that she pretended to get kidnapped when she could easily have dispatched the kidnappers and all. On top of her trying to rescue him all costs shows just how much she values him as part of the family by the end. So romance was clearly implied and we can imagine a season 2 in our minds where it is so. In other words, we all win.

 

Anyway, this covers my post for the time being. Take care all of you and till next time. Hopefully Gemma will bring her A Game in future episodes making the show far more interesting than it currently is. Sadly, the episode 17 still hasn’t been subbed and I have no real interest in watching it RAW at the moment. I guess this means that I should give Miss Otoke a shot in Second Husband and see what that drama is all about. So, till next time all of you take care.

[maribella]

@yamiyugi I think we are watching the same shows. Great. HK found out Gemma's identity. It is slow. The belligerant ajummas haven't stopped bickering, the son is still unemployed. Imagine we have dozens more episodes. I really hope they change the revenge to a different type. Get Gemma to open a shoe place and beat Lora fair and square.

HS seems to be oblivious of KS-Gemma relationshop.

 

@yamiyugi I am glad you enjoyed Taxi driver. It's a feel good show, all baddies get what they deserve. None of these, the good guys are as bad as the villains because they use the same MO.

Of course, you need to suspend reality many times.

 

Ms Otoke is still the poor girl living with poor granny, no proper job, so familiar for this actress. Fancy having a baby without being married properly. The guy has dumped her for another woman in the last episode. 
I can understand why he would want her in prison. I think the mistress' baby dies and the man takes her son away.

 

I am enjoying Witch's dinner. Song Hi Gyo looks so different. Someone mentions Hotel de Luna. I did not see that. There is a trend for blackleather 

Suited women and supernatural.

[youactlikeicare]

I thought the Player knew that his brother and Gemma liked each other. I guess he is believing their denials. I hope that he just stays friends with Gemma and doesn't make a move. I like their dynamic. 

 

However, this is probably heading to love triangle territory. 

 

I actually think I like the Player/Gemma's interactions better than CEO/Gemma. However, I need Player to grow up before I can truly root for him. Also, I feel like that would be a doomed ship so I am trying not to jump on. 

 

I am glad HK found out this early, I wonder what she will do now. It seems like she wants to just forget that Gemma is her daughter, but her nightmares are not going to let her. 

[LeftCoastOppa]

1 hour ago, maribella said:

Someone mentions Hotel de Luna. I did not see that.

 

You didn't see that ...

 

 

 

( the FL does dress in black sometimes but never black leather )

[maribella]

19 minutes ago, LeftCoastOppa said:

 

You didn't see that ...

 

 

 

 

( the FL does dress in black sometimes but never black leather )

Some times? The trailers showed her in black almost all the time. I thought leather too. Sorry @LeftCoastOppa ma faute.

I didn't fancy IU or UI in that kind of role, rather manipulative and controlling. I didn't watch it.

 

KS and Gemma are hiding their relationship from Grandma. I think this can be cause for a breakup.

 

BTW I was watching parts of First Love Again. The boy Ga Eun looks so much like KS. 

[LeftCoastOppa]

3 minutes ago, maribella said:

Some times? The trailers showed her in black almost all the time. 
I didn't fancy IU or UI in that kind of role, rather manipulative and controlling. I didn't watch it.

 

She isn't "manipulative and controlling" she is powerful and demanding, and as the drama progresses you find that she has also been tragically wounded - its a healing drama at its core

 

Yes, "some times" ... her outfits were a great part of the show, she was always incredibly dressed - some examples

 

 

 

Added Bonus - In-Beom side kick from Sell Your Haunted House, plays the Grim Reaper in Hotel Del Luna

 

Its 1 of my favorite kdrama's

[lila21]

2 hours ago, youactlikeicare said:

I thought the Player knew that his brother and Gemma liked each other. I guess he is believing their denials. I hope that he just stays friends with Gemma and doesn't make a move. I like their dynamic. 

 

Player knows but he does not know how deep their relationship is and warned big bro that if he liked Gemma, big bro should declare his intentions before someone else does. 

 

That was funny though that Ki Seok practiced his boxing routine in the living room just in time for Gemma to see. He tells Gemma not to worry, "I will fight for you from now on". He also tells her that he actually likes and enjoys running the restaurant. He smiles more and is more at ease and relaxed when he is with her. It is as if he was putting down all the burden he was carrying as the eldest son. Will his faith and love for Gemma withstand the twists that will come from the rivalry with his younger brother. I am guessing here that by the way they are acting cuddly, laughing and Gemma smiling  to herself in her bedroom before falling into bed that "they kissed". 

 

At a Lora staff meeting with CEO Min, Chairman Kwon and 2 managers, 2 shoe designs were presented for selection, one by Hye Bin and the other by Gemma which was funny because both designs were Gemma's anyway. Husband Kwon chose "Gemma's" design and wife Min was upset which is ironically funny since she knows the designer for both shoe designs were the same person, Gemma. And now she finds out that the talented designer whom she was jealous and fearful of, the one she wanted to kick out of her company, the woman who inhabits her dreams, is her daughter. I think that Gemma's revenge will start here taking advantage of "mom's" guilt. But will her longing and her childhood memories of a loving mom interfere with the memories of the abandonment of her father and brother and the death of both? 

[backstreetboysfan]

 I like both the Player/Gemma's and the CEO/Gemma interactions. But I want her to end up with the CEO.

[Lmangla]

Poll alert! we have been discussing it already but thought it would be fun anyway to vote. pick your choices chingus!

[maribella]

3 hours ago, lila21 said:

think that Gemma's revenge will start here taking advantage of "mom's" guilt. But will her longing and her childhood memories of a loving mom interfere with the memories of the abandonment of her father and brother and the death of both? 

Absolutely. I don't see her twisting the knife in. She is the hero and the writer will not let her do unheroic things to her mother. I see Mr Kwon doing the honours. 
 

HS will redeem his wayward ways by bringing the two lovebirds together at the end. They will break up a few times. It's not even ep 20 and they are couple.

 

For an ex professor, KS does not read much. 

[LeftCoastOppa]

So after finishing episode 17 with subs, I'm starting to think this drama will be really really good, or really really bad, depending on how much of the utter character -to- character chaos they can channel - consider ...

 

Jin-Ah/Ki-Seok/Hyun-Seok  - I'm starting to think this "love triangle" will be a case of mistaken intent - Jin-Ah and Ki-Seok are clearly falling in love, and while Hyun-Seok is intrigued, Jin-Ah clearly sees him as a friend/co-worker.  So what if Ki-Seok is mislead into believing otherwise?  For now, thats where I see this going.

 

Hye-Bin/Hyun-Seok/Jin-Ah - this one is already in play, with the expected results. How long it goes on remains to be seen - Additionally, what happens when Hye-Bin realizes Jin-Ah is her half sister?  Are they destined to be forever rivals? Could they possibly ever be friends?  

 

Sloppy Dad/Hee-Kyung/Jin-Ah - this triangle has intriguing possibilities - While mother & daughter now know each other, what happens when dad finds out?  He has already recognized Jin-Ah's talent, so in the near term, I see him keeping her close to advance the company, and as a way to hedge against HK who may try to take Lora over completely - but what if he finds out who she really is? Would he try to use her to control HK? What would his daughter do if he shows favor to Jin-Ah?  What happens when Jin-Ah finds out Sloppy ran over her Dad?

 

Loan Shark Grandma - is she headed for an exit soon, or does she have a larger role to play?

 

 

Where is the missing first heir? Wasn't he supposed to be returning?

 

 

Does Sloppy Dads sister have any real function in the story, other than knowing where most of the skeletons are buried?

 

 

Siamese twins are still annoying & the Housekeeper still isn't funny

 

[Lmangla]

12 hours ago, youactlikeicare said:

15 hours ago, Nymeria289 said:

I kind of feel weirded out by this, because there's another key player missing in all of this. Hyeok Sang's legal son from his first wife/heir to their fortune has yet to show up. I always thought we'd get the triangle involving Gemma, Ki Seok and him. 

I keep waiting for him to show up. I couldn't even see his name on the cast list, so I am not sure if he is showing up anytime soon. 

yea, I don't see the point of having a character mentioned if he doesn't show up at some point. so it will be interesting to see how this develops...

 

4 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:

So after finishing episode 17 with subs, I'm starting to think this drama will be really really good, or really really bad, depending on how much of the utter character -to- character chaos they can channel - consider ...

yea, thats how I felt as well; I still think it is too early for hee kyung to find out but it is going to be interesting now that she knows. for one, gemma doesn't waver and is very aggressive. we see this with hye bin. in other dramas, hye bin would have the upper hand but gemma literally does not care and turns the table on her. gemma also seems to be recording all her interactions with hee kyung. not sure what she intends to do with it but ultimately hee kyung has more to lose if the truth comes out. gemma not so much. so this gives gemma lot of advantage unless she emotionally wavers.... 

[LeftCoastOppa]

19 minutes ago, Lmangla said:

but ultimately hee kyung has more to lose if the truth comes out. gemma not so much. so this gives gemma lot of advantage unless she emotionally wavers.... 

 

Exactly - and you know thats what will happen, but how, and when?  Right now, Hee Kyung is shaken but will it affect Jin-Ah when she finds out that Mom now knows her? I don't really see how it could, unless Hee Kyung is unconditionally remorseful from the start (which I don't see happening) - Maybe in the long term Jin-Ah allies with Sloppy Dad, and while plotting with him Hee Kyung's past leaks out ie; the physical abuse, but even if Jin-Ah took pity on her Mother for that, it still wouldn't be enough to cover their abandonment, Mom left okay, but she should've taken the kids with her.

 

Somethings gotta give to bring these two closer, I just can't figure out what it could be( the hand made necklace maybe? ) - I can't see them at each others throats for the next 80+ episodes

 

We'll see -

[Lmangla]

5 hours ago, LeftCoastOppa said:

Somethings gotta give to bring these two closer, I just can't figure out what it could be( the hand made necklace maybe? ) - I can't see them at each others throats for the next 80+ episodes

really don't think they will get close. there is no other villain other than hee kyung really. she hates chairman and is profiteering from him but he lacks power. so the conflict has to be gemma vs hee kyung + everyone else. once gemma finds out that hee kyung knew her husband was hit and run but stayed quiet anyway and married the driver for her own prosperity, things are really going to break. if written well, we are going to get a series of cat and mouse games between the two of them. hee kyung thinks hye bin is more like her but hye bin has not seen the real world and had things handed to her on a platter. gemma is actually more like hee kyung in that she is audacious, does not back down and is unafraid of the consequences and prepared for whatever happens. so it should be interesting to see.... 

[lila21]

I am still waiting for subs on this episode but happened between Baldy and HK? And why is she stomping on the phone with fury? Will there be a scandal or did her husband use her? 

53 minutes ago, Lmangla said:

if written well, we are going to get a series of cat and mouse games between the two of them. hee kyung thinks hye bin is more like her but hye bin has not seen the real world and had things handed to her on a platter

no subs but there was a mention about New York, I am wondering if HK is going to attempt to send Gemma to NY?