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8 hours ago, lightbringer06 said:

 

 

I was also quite surprised on eps 11-12 when Yeoning has been thinking of Yeoji already. I know that we will eventually see the loveline, but I thought it was too sudden. Or perhaps, within that span of one year keeping an eye on her, he prolly gotten to know more about her? Though I did somehow get a bit of it during the conversation b/w Cho Hong and Yeoji, where Cho Hong said Yeoji doesn't seem surprised when she said she used to sell alcohol...and her saying "Now, I get it..No wonder he.." I'm not sure what exactly could have triggered Yeoning to start feeling that way, although even from the start he's been almost unnoticeably flirting with her.

 

 

 

i was surprised about YN's feeling  toward YJ as well. However, when i compare the translation between VIU and Viki, and i can see the different. In VIU version, it looks like YN has strong romantic feeling toward YJ. But in Viki version, it feels more platonic.

 

Can someone understand Korean explain it?

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6 hours ago, lightbringer06 said:

@bebebisous33 Agree, when good people die for the greater good :tears:.

 

I love how complex DM is. He's the most interesting character for me, well, actually all of them :D. But for now, I'm leaning towards him seeing he is mysterious up to this time.

 

Same here. I like what DM brings to the table: the ambiguity: will he or won't he? 

 

I recognized belatedly that the actor who plays DM also played a bad character in the last kdrama I was watching, Memories of the Alhambra. It was a non-speaking role so I'm glad he has lines now. 

 

As for MoonSoo, I think the actor playing him is killing it. I only saw him in Let's Fight  Ghost where he played a creepy killer. I didn't know that he had it in him to play a light-hearted role. MoonSoo is too earnest though. I hope he doesn't lose that optimistic zeal as he deals with politics. 

 

My new post for Episodes 7 and 8 is here. I'm still behind four episodes but I should catch up this weekend. 

 

http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2019/03/01/haechi-episodes-7-and-8/

 

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9 hours ago, lightbringer06 said:

(I wonder if it was Go Ara who did that side flip B) or if it's a stunt). But...I mostly like it when they were fighting

If I remember correctly, the director mentioned in an interview (it's an article but I can't remember where I read it lol) that Go Ara did her scenes without double. We will confirm this once they release the making/bts. I hope they'll post it. But knowing other works of Ara, she did stunts on her own. She did wire scenes in Pacemaker that broke her ankle before,  and in Black she tried risky scenes too, and in Hwarang. 

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9 hours ago, packmule3 said:

I'm liking Go Ara's character here. Hallellujah! We've a strong,THINKING female in a kdrama once again. I don't mind if she doesn't end up as a romantic interest of the Prince, MoonSoo or Dalmoon (lol). It would be nice if she did, but she's her own woman

I second the motion! 

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6 hours ago, star2010 said:

 

i was surprised about YN's feeling  toward YJ as well. However, when i compare the translation between VIU and Viki, and i can see the different. In VIU version, it looks like YN has strong romantic feeling toward YJ. But in Viki version, it feels more platonic.

 

Can someone understand Korean explain it?

 

I'm not sure what version I am watching. Can you tell me the difference?^^

 

6 hours ago, packmule3 said:

I recognized belatedly that the actor who plays DM also played a bad character in the last kdrama I was watching, Memories of the Alhambra. It was a non-speaking role so I'm glad he has lines now. 

 

As for MoonSoo, I think the actor playing him is killing it. I only saw him in Let's Fight  Ghost where he played a creepy killer. I didn't know that he had it in him to play a light-hearted role. MoonSoo is too earnest though. I hope he doesn't lose that optimistic zeal as he deals with politics. 

 

My new post for Episodes 7 and 8 is here. I'm still behind four episodes but I should catch up this weekend. 

 

http://bitchesoverdramas.com/2019/03/01/haechi-episodes-7-and-8/

 

Oh yeah, I think I saw DM in MOA..am not watching that drama tho. As for Kwon Yul, I think this drama is good for him because he can finally break out from his usual serious, villain roles. I didn't know he can actually be funny :D. Thanks for the post, will check later, but can you possibly repost again the link, it seems it's not a direct link? :P

 

@yoo1 I think it was an article from Soompi where it was stated she's doing scenes without a double. I just wasn't sure if she can do side flip, I know she's pretty flexible too. Yeah, I hope they release some BTS too. SBS is too stingy with regards to video clips and even BTS videos. This is why I like JTBC and TVN more because they, on the other hand, are so generous. They know how to promote their dramas :D.

 

@mari_may Did you mean you really want to learn, like making gifs? :)

 

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@lightbringer06 yes, they seem lack of promo for Haechi. Bts is one best way to promote the drama. What are they doing? lol. 

58 minutes ago, lightbringer06 said:

 

@yoo1 I think it was an article from Soompi where it was stated she's doing scenes without a double. I just wasn't sure if she can do side flip, I know she's pretty flexible too.

Oh, it's in Soompi. Or maybe I read that in raw article from sbs. I forgot LOL. About the side flip, maybe she can with wire. In Pacemaker she did back flip with wire, so maybe she can do the side flip? Now I want that bts more. :blush:

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So while waiting for the bts of this week's episodes...let me just share some bts from the previous ones..if it wasn't already shared :D.

 

 

 

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@yoo1 I haven't seen Pacemaker. Then I think she might have been the one who did the side flip, I hope that would be in the bts. Or if not, at least the fight scenes. I'd love to see a bts of that one too. I think I may have to start stalking to see when these videos will come out :relieved:. It appears sbs only releases one bts vid for the week..sigh.

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1 hour ago, lightbringer06 said:

 

I'm not sure what version I am watching. Can you tell me the difference?^^

This is VIU version:

 

<ep 11, around 26:00>

YN to his servant: Mun Su failed to pass the exam, Ja Dong. Regardless of how hard he tried, he wasn't able to overcome the irregularities of the exam. However, Mun Su will be given another chance... just like how I was given another chance thanks to her. But until then, I need to take care of this on my own.

 

<ep 11, around 30:00>

YN to CH:  Please make sure Yeo Ji doesn't suffer. She behaves and talks differently...compared to other normal women. So it'll be hard for her to get by.


CH: Why don't you meet her and resolve the misunderstanding? It seems like she's resenting you.


YN: Seeing each other will only end up hurting us even more.


CH: Then just forget about her. If you do that, you'll at least feel at ease.


YN: I'd love to do that, but I can't stop thinking about her. I want to forget about her. I really do.

 

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Viki version:

 

<ep 11, around 26:00>

 

YN: Moon Soo could not pass the test, after all, Ja Dong. No matter how hard he tried, he could not overcome the long-standing dishonest practice related to the civil service exam.

But Moon Soo will find a path, just as he had opened a path for me. Until such time, this work must be undertaken wholly by me.

 

<ep 11, around 30:00>

YN: Please ease things for Yeo Ji. Her actions and words are different from those of ordinary women, so she is a bit of a bungler with the ways of the world.


CH: Why not meet her and fix her misunderstanding? She seems to resent you.


YN: Seeing each other will be painful for both of us.


CH: Then just forget. If you pretend to not know, at least your mind will be at ease.

 

YN: I want to do that, but my feelings just won't stop.I want to forget her...I really want to, but...
 

 

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I think that the problem is that the previous scene when YN mentions the he/she opens the path for him, the following scene can be read differently.

 

If the one opens the path for him is MS, his feeling for YJ is more guilt and platonic.

But if the one opens the path for him is YJ, then you can see that his feeling is more romantic.

 

I don't know, that is what i read from 2 versions. People can read it differently.

 

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@star2010 thank you.

i havent being able to watch with viki, but it look better.

i prefer "ordinary women", than "normal women". idk why, but it sounds better and not that he is putting down others.

i'm  as well puzzled with it's "her" or "he".

 

what i observe since they met - and maybe is just me -  is that he deeply admires her. theres is a curiosity of both want to know each other.

in the last episode when they fight together she said something like that; "i want to know about you". it was straightforward. just like in the first time they met after a year :"its not your business". Yeo-ji wants to help so Yeongjo either tells or she alone will dig until find. and she's not a damsel in distress: she's a damo and we and him already saw what is she can do. more, she's witty, focused and yes a little bit clueless but with things that she doesnt have time to think. (i'm now wonder with YG never heard or saw a damo).

it's not that YG despise the "ordinary" or "normal" women. he knows very well they're expected to live under social pressures of the time and face the worst when the requires are no fulfilled such being a low born too. so when he meets Yeo-Ji who choose a different path - we hope to see more of it - he's enchanted.

 

 

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2 hours ago, star2010 said:

 

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I think that the problem is that the previous scene when YN mentions the he/she opens the path for him, the following scene can be read differently.

 

If the one opens the path for him is MS, his feeling for YJ is more guilt and platonic.

But if the one opens the path for him is YJ, then you can see that his feeling is more romantic.

 

I don't know, that is what i read from 2 versions. People can read it differently.

 

 

Okay, I checked and I'm watching the VIU version. And according to you, you prefer the VIU version, is that right?

This too is somewhat vague to me...

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Since Yeoning used the word 그아이 (geu ai), which can also mean "that child", this can actually be interpreted into two things, we don't know for sure who he might be referring to here. Her/him can either be both used ^_^. This is sometimes the problem with languages that do not have a distinction b/w their her/him...lol.

However, right after that scene, we had this one..

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So yeah, a lil confusing there.

 

@mari_may Ha ha...it's actually thanks to my phone. It already has that option where I can directly make gifs out of my videos^^. You can try some apps too :D.

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@mari_may @star2010 @lightbringer06 

 

 

1 hour ago, lightbringer06 said:

Since Yeoning used the word 그아이 (geu ai), which can also mean "that child"), this can actually be interpreted into two things, we actually don't know who he was referring to here. Her/him can either be both used ^_^. This is sometimes the problem with languages that do not have a distinction b/w their her/him...lol.

Logically I would say this refers to Moonsu. Because it was him who "opened the path/chance" for Yeoning. It is Moonsu who has believed in him first, and tried to convince him to take a stand for a witness against Yi Tan. 

 

 

2 hours ago, star2010 said:

viu

 

YN: I'd love to do that, but I can't stop thinking about her. I want to forget about her. I really do.

 

2 hours ago, star2010 said:

viki

 

YN: I want to do that, but my feelings just won't stop.I want to forget her...I really want to, but...

By examining both versions, I believe the translators have the same interpretation - that YN has romantic feelings for Yeoji. In Viu, the dialogue about Moonsu, the translator chose "her" (assuming it is his love for Yeoji that opens a path for him), while in Viki, the translator who chose "he" translated the last dialogue as "my FEELINGS just won't stop" instead of using "I can't stop THINKING about her" ...

 

2 hours ago, mari_may said:

what i observe since they met - and maybe is just me -  is that he deeply admires her. theres is a curiosity of both want to know each other.

 

Yes. YN was first curious about her and eventually admires her because she is "not a normal lady" (the word "normal" I guess is an exaggerated expression to show how amazed he is about her). But his love for her, I guess still very raw. We need to see more proof how he has developed the feeling, maybe the writer will provide some flashback about this, or else the love line will appear sudden and forced. Because they did never have enough time to develop that feeling, unless for YN it was love at first sight. Still, the drama must show enough proof of that to the viewers. 

 

 

Thanks for opening this part because I, too, want some clarification. 

 

So far, over all I REALLY LOVE THIS DRAMA and how the characters are portrayed. They are all amazing! I'm excited about YN and Yeoji's love story although I am not asking them to have a "fairytale-like" ending. Just make it realistic, and yes, I'm ready to have a heartbreak as long as the plot ends with impact. However, I'm hoping our good guys will never die. 

 

 

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Interesting... I didn't feel like any "feelings" developed too suddenly at all. It just felt more like watching out for her (and moonsoo!) as a friend. He sees the character and intelligence of yeoji and moonsoo, and values them(like the friendship between the OTP and daesu, if anyone else saw yi san). He likes in her a tad more than as a friend, but he's not aware of it yet and their relationship just isn't at that stage yet. Like @mari_may said, she's different from most other women at that time and this intrigues him. 

Well, the drama is very politics-heavy (which I'm loving) and perhaps I'm just focusing on that most of the time. Anyways, like others have said, I also love that while yeoji isn't as super keen and intelligent as yi geum, she isn't an idiot and is insightful. She's not just righteously/foolishly(?) indignant that yi geum "betrayed" them; she recognizes his reasons, why he had no choice, even though the outcome was unfortunate. It was just a contrast to all those annoying "misunderstandings" in dramas that happen between the main characters because one(or both) of them doesn't seem to think any deeper than the surface, lol. 

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@spark101 @yoo1 Good points, guys!^^ It's safe to assume as of this time to say Yeoning 'thinking' of Yeoji might be the primary hint of him developing (romantic) feelings for YJ, not necessarily him already 'feeling' it or as you guys pointed out, him not being aware of it. For the past year, he's been keeping tabs of both YJ and MS so without a doubt, it means he's been thinking of them. However, in YJ's case, it may mean more, from Cho Hong's standpoint, YJ is likely the very first woman who YN actually cared for (or acc. to her thinks of) or treated differently than the way he treated her (Cho Hong), which is simply just pity unlike YJ.

 

I think Yeoji will be one of my favorite female leads in Kdrama land...she is not quick to jump to conclusions despite having misunderstandings with YN. When she has doubts/questions/things she can't understand, she sees to it that she actually finds a way to resolve it. For once, we need these types of FLs. I may have to give it to the writer since she's female too, that's why I think Yeoji's character is soo likeable. I'm a feminist, so I love when women aren't always portrayed as damsel in distress :tounge_xd:. I hope she stays that way. And more badass scenes for her, please!^^

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Btw, my only complain is that almost always the fight scenes happen at night...lol.

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Love all politic scene make me curious what will happen next. Am I only one excited with romantic scene...lol

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Hello! Im new to this thread but Im a Jung Il Woo fan since 49 days(2011) and he is my main reason in watching Haechi, but aside from that, the story is interesting that's why Im watching it. Here are my comments with the main characters 
*Prince Yeoning- He is so smart and strong, plus a very handsome man. I love his schemes and he has a good heart because he is willing to risk his life for the sake of protecting his people and friends
*Park Moon Soo- I love that he is funny and at the same time a man with dignity and a pure heart, he gives a lighter mood in the drama
*Yeo Ji- A strong female lead and she is smart too aside from being a really pretty woman. I love her fight scenes
*Dal Moon- A very mysterious man but I hope he will side to Prince Yeoning and have that same goal
*Prince Mil poong- A crazy and dumb prince, actually I dont want him to die early, he has to suffer first before his big punishment hehe 

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Just an extra info from BTS V's twitter's posting a few hours ago:

 

 

Besides observing BTS V and Yeontan's interaction, fans (ARMY) noticed the background sound of the drama Haechi in the beginning (Go Ara's voice). Both have acted together in Hwarang before. One supportive friend. We'll be seeing extra fans watching this drama too.

 

Spoiler

Another extra information, the group also did a performance  riding on the mythological creature Haetae / Haechi (in the Haechi's intro) as a symbol of justice in their performance before.

 

Credit to the owner

 

On a personal note, I can't wait for this week's episode.  Let's see what Prince Yeoning has prepared. 

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Looks like Im the only one who thinks that prince Yeoning is in

love with YJ. :D

Even that conversation when she told him that she followed him, 

sounded romantic to me. :wub:

He was surprised at first, but then also happy.

What can I do.

Love is always a necessity, no matter what century. :)

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29 minutes ago, rocher22 said:

Looks like Im the only one who thinks that prince Yeoning is in

love with YJ. :D

Even that conversation when she told him that she followed him, 

sounded romantic to me. :wub:

He was surprised at first, but then also happy.

What can I do.

Love is always a necessity, no matter what century. :)

 

Don't worry about it... as viewers we do expect some of the usual favourite scenes to happen.  It might happen later.. we'll see. Oh btw, you're not alone.

 

(Credit to the owner)

 

As for me personally, I'm interested more on the strategy on how he tackles all these challenges. :)

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