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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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4 minutes ago, mrsyooknit said:

Is it fair to guess that GTY proposes marriage around ep. 33 or so?

Yes I think the same. It should be around the middle of the drama. It depends on the development of the side stories, but in 7/8 episodes  they could get to that point.

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Hey guys,

 

I'm so IN!  Watched up to Ep 22 w/subs, Ep 23/24 w/o subs - however, watching w/o subs is pointless.  

 

I LOVE LOVE LOVE this series sooo much!  If it ended at Ep 23, it would still be in my top three all-time favorite dramas!  I love the acting, the costumes, the sets, and the way everyday life of aristocrats is portrayed.  I LOVE everything about this series.  

 

BTW, THANK YOU to all contributors who explain culturally specific things... like the numbering of the siblings.  It's little things like this that really add to the enjoyment of the series and understanding of culture.  

A sincere THANK YOU to all who take the time and effort to do this.  

 

Novel?  Link?   

 

 

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37 minutes ago, mrsyooknit said:

@linhlinh111

Thanks for the info about MN. I agree that her character in the drama is overdone, it would have been better to see her done like the book. I feel like her book personality is often given to second male leads. 

I’ve been watching so many dramas that for me having a third party interference at all is overdone. I’ve seen lots of the “in love” ex’s or friends in Thai dramas and those ones are crazier with their obsession, like Fatal Attraction crazy. So I guess I’m okay with Maniang’s character in this version for the sake of ML and GTY since they already have enough to deal with :huh:

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49 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

I feel the way to protraying the characters, the book one is much better than the drama adaptation, like quite unique and not so common.

 

Have you even read the book to make that judgement? 

 

ML in the book basically time travel's and the story is shown from her POV the drama has done a good job .

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14 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

Have you even read the book to make that judgement? 

 

ML in the book basically time travel's and the story is shown from her POV the drama has done a good job .

I haven't read the book yet, I just read from the comments (from the book) people post in this thread, like manniang character, she's not a gold digger, she just want GTY's love for herself and nothing to do with status and wealth

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1 hour ago, mrsyooknit said:

Is it fair to guess that GTY proposes marriage around ep. 33 or so?

 

First Old emperor dies and country goes into mourning....along with war for the throne situation.

In that chaos Molan seduces the six son of Liang gets married to him and Lin niang is not allowed to attend...and exiled off to a Sheng family property in the boonies. 

The Roulan falls for the poor scholar and ML catches them. 

He Hongwen and ML are all ready to get engaged when his clingy cousin arrives and ruins everything.

That drama dragged until HHW get sick, his cousin tried to commit suicide....and then finally relented to take her as his concubine. ML is still unsure but decides to wait and watch.

While all this is happening in the capital...GTY will be enjoying a new found popularity as an eligible bachelor due to his position as the General in the new emperor's army...

Don't forget the political situation is about to change....as we see soldiers trying to curb the revolt...in todays episode.

So add those scenes to the storyline as well. I'd say around 40-42

 

 

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22 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

I haven't read the book yet, I just read from the comments (from the book) people post in this thread, like manniang character, she's not a gold digger, she just want GTY's love for herself and nothing to do with status and wealth

 

I still think Manniang is portrayed fine shes still crazy,selfish,jealous does not love her kids etc.. its very similar. 

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13 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

I haven't read the book yet, I just read from the comments (from the book) people post in this thread, like manniang character, she's not a gold digger, she just want GTY's love for herself and nothing to do with status and wealth

 I think it's unfair to argue which one is better. There are limitations to what they can do to transform a written story to a movie, and they did a pretty good job actually, keeping most of important details. Of course they have to change a bit to suit the context. In the book ML was actually a 30ish year old soul from the modern world in a 10ish year old body, so she is much more mature and rational and everything she said and did is calculated carefully. ML in the drama is a normal girl born and raised in that era, so despite being slightly more grown up and smarter than the others in her family, she is still a bit careless and childlike. For example in her relationship with QH. In the book she understand the situation thoroughly so she flat out rejected him, never giving him a single hope. She was fond of him but she never loved him and so she was never heartbroken. ML in the drama is exactly what a 15 yr old girl should be like being in love but trying to restrict herself. There are other changes in personalities of other characters as well but I think it's necessary and reasonable to develop the story.

 

The depiction of Manniang is slightly different in the drama, but most of her actions still stay true to the story, except only her motive, which I really wouldn't mind. I can't say which one is better, I guess it's upon each person's opinion, I can just say that both of them are annoying as hell.

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I don't know if anyone notice this, but every time GTY put on a moustache, his mouth looked so stiff when he talked. Damn it bothers me.

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1 hour ago, tomo74 said:

I haven't read the book yet, I just read from the comments (from the book) people post in this thread, like manniang character, she's not a gold digger, she just want GTY's love for herself and nothing to do with status and wealth

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I think whoever gave u this impression did not tell u the full story. In the book, before ML timetraveled to this era, there was a famous prostitute who attracted one guy from a noble family. That guy ended up breaking all ties with his family and married her as his only wife. As time passed by, this story became a legend with a lot of girls dreaming of having a devoted husband like this. Manniang was one of them, maybe even a crazier fan. She wanted to be the second legend to be admired by others. GTY just conveniently fitted her dreamed target. It was never about love, it was always just about herself. 

 

ps: The story was told to Minglan during gossip time with other girls. After ML checked some details, she realized this legendary lady was highly likely another time traveler before her time. lol  Maybe that’s why they have to change the character setting for Manniang as well.

 

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1 hour ago, dito said:

 

First Old emperor dies and country goes into mourning....along with war for the throne situation.

In that chaos Molan seduces the six son of Liang gets married to him and Lin niang is not allowed to attend...and exiled off to a Sheng family property in the boonies. 

The Roulan falls for the poor scholar and ML catches them. 

He Hongwen and ML are all ready to get engaged when his clingy cousin arrives and ruins everything.

That drama dragged until HHW get sick, his cousin tried to commit suicide....and then finally relented to take her as his concubine. ML is still unsure but decides to wait and watch.

While all this is happening in the capital...GTY will be enjoying a new found popularity as an eligible bachelor due to his position as the General in the new emperor's army...

Don't forget the political situation is about to change....as we see soldiers trying to curb the revolt...in todays episode.

So add those scenes to the storyline as well. I'd say around 40-42

 

 

Thanks! Yeah, I guess it will be a while. 

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Thank you guys for all the explanation, I think I should stop reading spoilers and comments from the book, just stick to the drama so I wont have the idea of comparing between the story from drama and from the (partially) book and I have to learn to kill my curiosity :sweat:

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34 minutes ago, nnnju said:
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I think whoever gave u this impression did not tell u the full story. In the book, before ML timetraveled to this era, there was a famous prostitute who attracted one guy from a noble family. That guy ended up breaking all ties with his family and married her as his only wife. As time passed by, this story became a legend with a lot of girls dreaming of having a devoted husband like this. Manniang was one of them, maybe even a crazier fan. She wanted to be the second legend to be admired by others. GTY just conveniently fitted her dreamed target. It was never about love, it was always just about herself. 

 

ps: The story was told to Minglan during gossip time with other girls. After ML checked some details, she realized this legendary lady was highly likely another time traveler before her time. lol  Maybe that’s why they have to change the character setting for Manniang as well.

 

Well I was the one who posted about Manniang, you can read my post in the last page. I didn't include the whole story cuz it was too long. She is not a gold digger (this part I remembered correctly) and she did everything in the name of love (like she always said) and she was obsessed about an ideal love (the legend) and I think she actually believed that she loved him and was the best match for him (or that's just my impression, but it's still about herself). Yeah I forget about the wanting to be admired thing. Maybe your analyse of her is more correct, or maybe both are right about her, not sure cuz she didn't appear that much.

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23 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

 

@nnnju I can’t wait I hope that since the Gu family didn’t take out his name in the genealogy they are not up to something because he is rich and they might try to smooch off his merits! Ugh! 
 
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In the book all stories about the rise of GTY were told by others talking. I really appreciate that drama put a lot of screen time on it to show us directly how hard his way back to the top is, plus they even make ML as his pusher. Love, love it!

 

The new eps are showing GTY is going back to the capital, which makes me wonder if there are any more changes on GTY’s storyline. He never returned to the capital before the new emperor got the throne in the book. I don’t mind changes as long as they make sense. 

 

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14 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

Well I was the one who posted about Manniang, you can read my post in the last page. I didn't include the whole story cuz it was too long. She is not a gold digger (this part I remembered correctly) and she did everything in the name of love (like she always said) and she was obsessed about an ideal love (the legend) and I think she actually believed that she loved him and was the best match for him (or that's just my impression, but it's still about herself). Yeah I forget about the wanting to be admired thing. Maybe your analyse of her is more correct, or maybe both are right about her, not sure cuz she didn't appear that much.

Yes, and the way described in the novel makes Manniang even more creepy and crazy... In the name of love.... I can’t remember it is ML or GTY who confronted her and revealed her real motive. I only remembered her craziness in that moment. Honestly speaking I’m totally fine with the gold digger version.

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15 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

Thank you guys for all the explanation, I think I should stop reading spoilers and comments from the book, just stick to the drama so I wont have the idea of comparing between the story from drama and from the (partially) book and I have to learn to kill my curiosity :sweat:

 

I'm always disappointed after watching dramas adapted from my fav Chinese novels. 

I have to say though..for me Nirvana in fire is the best book adaptation among all the Chinese dramas I've seen. I read the book afterwards on Google translate.

This drama is different. I didn't like the book that much but I'm addicted to this drama. Book was slow and the daily slice of life narrative was boring to me. The narrative of the show is fast and interesting. Can't help the changes, even though I didn't like some of them.

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Would just like to say that I love ML's grandma, since GTY and QH have both gotten so much love from everyone here. :D

 

I thoroughly enjoy her interactions with ML or even with the Nanny/ maids. 

So much wisdom.

The conversations between granny and ML are always so cordial, and calm, yet her words are so perceptive, so sensible. 

And I love how ML can always be truthful to granny with her thoughts, or even when she isn't, granny always see through her. 

 

The things they say to each other, like how ML should always think and act to protect herself, because at the end of it, there will always be times where she would have no one to protect her, and she should chart her own course in her life (foreshadowing much?)

 

The way they are so fiercely protective of each other is also so admirable. 

Like how granny would get the maids to guard ML's place so there wouldn't be spies snooping around, so ML can cry her heart out after the heartbreak. 

Or even when she got angry because her poor ML was hurt, when she told the nanny to kick the Qi family out with a stick if they ever come mentioning Bros and sis again.

Or how ML would save granny first the moment she saw the bandits on ship, disregarding her own. And granny, even in her confused state, still calls for her! 

 

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