[Drama 2016-2017] Guardian: The Lonely and Great Goblin 도깨비

[Holly Sometimes]

Those watching Goblin on Viki,

Where are you guys from? I'm from the states and the videos aren't available in my country.

[hamaji]

I watched episode 12 again and for the second time i cried with DH, thank God when he feel all alone, there's his uncles and ET who is ready to give him comfort and any help he need 

 and that evil eunuch, even he's a ghost now,  words that came from his mouth still as poison like 900 years ago 

 

[Ahpheng]

 

[shynaz]

7 minutes ago, hamaji said:

I watched episode 12 again and for the second time i cried with DH, thank God when he feel all alone, there's his uncles and ET who is ready to give him comfort and any help he need 

 and that evil eunuch, even he's a ghost now,  words that came from his mouth still as poison like 900 years ago 

 

I want to repeat this evening.The most sweet grandfather give credit card to DH..How sad it that time.I love DH did not blame for goblin and grim reaper for all this.

Yes can I wish KiM Shin cut the tongue evil ghost

[NRGchick]

@nearsea I hear you! Usually I am ok with dramabeans reviews but when they said what they said about Eun Tak, it got my hackles up. To each his own, I suppose. 

I may be biased towards Dokkaebi and Eun Tak but I also concur that all the other players in this drama, Grim, Sunny and Deok Hwa are necessary for the story to progress. I may have said something about main leads and second leads etc (when there were many calls for more screen time for Grim and Sunny) but after watching all the episodes until EP 12, how can we do without Grim, Sunny and Deok Hwa? 

I didn't mind that Ep 12 was mainly about Grim and Sunny's tragic past because it was necessary for the story to mature. I have trust that the director is not actually counting the minutes each character is onscreen (a bit petty, no?) but we are working in arcs here. 

Ep 12 was all about revelation that God had been listening, death of Chairman Yoo and the maturation of Deok Hwa, the evil eunuch's reappearance and what he is after, Sunny realising/believing who she is and she still loves Grim/Wang Yeo, Grim really loves Sunny, the final scene where Dokkaebi approaches Grim.

I expect to see more of Grim and Dokkaebi's confrontation in the next episode and the realisation that they cannot repeat the mistakes of the past. Forgive and band together to figure out how to get rid of the evil eunuch. This would perhaps flow into EP 14.

Don't forget that Eun Tak's death card has arrived so that's another thing to consider.

The last two episodes should be reconciliation and I am eager to see how the writer is going to wrap up the ending.

I have my usual plea - no ending like Rooftop Prince, Mirror of the Witch. No staring at each other across a buckwheat field or even on the Canadian hill. Have some skinship please! At least an ending like Moonlight Drawn By Clouds where there is no ambiguity that they are together or not. TVN listen!

Leaving you with this. How cute can Dokkaebi be? Especially his monologue at the end. I wouldn't mind being in a small, confined place with him...hehehe...

 

STOP GIVING ME NAUGHTY THOUGHTS!

 

[hushhh]

28 minutes ago, nearsea said:

Sometimes I really wish like posting @packmule3 's anatomy on Eun Tak's character on DB. I just went to check the recap for ep 12 and wow, so many people along with the main blogger has been talking about how Eun Tak has 'no depth' and the main three important roles in this drama is Shin, reaper and Sunny. I am baffled and amused at the same time at how they can't understand the subtlety of her dialogues and the underlying depth of every small details that we saw in her story with Shin. From first to last, she withheld herself even if there were so many adversities going on in her life with the aunt and her family, and being an orphan managing everything on her own, but then Shin came and still she didn't just give away herself then and there. She kept herself altogether and 'only' when Shin revealed himself as who he is and 'kept the pack' that he won't leave her, then we saw her opening up to Shin and confessing her true feelings.I was accusing the story line about going to places now, but after taking a second look it seems to me that the first 1-9 episodes have been all about Shin and ET. Their arc has come to a full circle, so now the writer is finishing the loose ends.So minus small glitches here and there the story needed it I guess. 

I have felt it before and would say it again, that either you like a drama or you don't. But if you are nonchalant about a show then bashing the story because it's not your cup of tea is a bit insensitive. It's unfortunate that people can't appreciate the story for what it is. Guess we're watching different shows.

 I read.

Was appalled.

The relationship between Goblin and Grim Weeper wonderfully nuance and well developed the fact that they are peers makes is rich

The relationship between Goblin and ET is wonderful connected yet asymmetrical until this episode where you begin to see an balance in their relationship as ET becomes more and more and adult.

The relationship between Grim Weeper and ET has also ripen.  It has reached equity faster than ET's relationship with Goblin.

Sunny was as deep as paper before the last two episodes.

chacun à son goût

[packmule3]

5 hours ago, ariesw said:

 

Park Jong Won's revenge could also be to mislead everyone on who is who to complicate things further ....

 

 

@ariesw

Don’t be tricked by the bouncing ball. I told you and others to follow the ring.

The *most* correct vision is from the Lady Reaper who touched Sunny’s RINGLESS hand. The other visions are distorted. 

The Lady Reaper saw that Sunny is the King. 

She recognized the King because she was the one who was tasked to give the poisoned drink for the Queen, but the King upended the tray because he knew it was poisoned. Also, she was an eyewitness at the massacre site when the Eunuch twisted the King’s mind against his Queen and Shin. 

Now, I hope this Lady Reaper does NOT reveal what she saw in Sunny's past, because then the Eunuch will have all the CORRECT pieces of the puzzle in hand. The Eunuch will know that the Real King is Sunny, while our clueless male leads, the Reaper and the Goblin, are still grappling with the WRONG VERSION of the TRUTH.

Shin and the Reaper/Queen are at each other’s throat (well, only Shin at the end of Episode 12) thinking the other one is their mortal enemy when all along the real enemy is Park Joon Woon, as the Queen had said 900 years ago. The past is prologue. 

Without him raising a deadly weapon, the Eunuch’s revenge will be completed if and when Shin kills the Reaper. Because if Shin kills the Reaper, he is actually killing his own beloved sister.  

Without him doing anything but SPREAD LIES, the Eunuch will have eliminated his two most hated enemies: The Queen aka The Reaper, and Shin, in one strike. And it will be Shin who’ll do his dirty deed. 

So you're right.  The Eunuch's revenge is to mislead everybody  and to make them do wicked things without their realization that they've been fooled.  

You see, his greatest and unrivaled power is the power to deceive with lies and distort the truth. He’s doing it all over again here.

For me, the bright thing in this Eunuch's reappearance was ET.  When ET told the Eunuch that he is mistaken because there's no Wang Yeo at their house, and that the nameless grim reaper is named Kim Woo Bin, I laughed. Unbeknownst to them all, that was perfect comeback in Episode 12. It's dramatic irony.

Don’t get fooled by all the smoke and mirrors. The Queen is the Reaper and Sunny is the King. 

I should be in bed by now but I didn't want you to wait for my response.   Have a good week ahead of you.

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Tagging the usual ladies:

@phikyl @salz@hushhh@gutibear @Athenaries @bebe1989 @romanov @LyraYoo @ariesw @letataves@naritul @staygold (heyyy, you changed your avatar! I like it but I miss the owl, too), @nearsea @vivvianne22 he was a possessed human then. nice one! @annnchan @crazyoverkdrama@kokodus see you here again, @rnia93 my virtual daughter-in-law lol. @dramoron

 @sakurayukihime your English is awesome! You should hear my comical Japanese. Last time I tried to order coffee in Japanese at a McDonald's in Tokyo, they gave me Coke instead. Now, I didn't want to embarrass them so I took the soda and said Konichiwa -- which I knew THE SECOND I said it, was the oddest THING to say. It should have been Arigato. So there you go, I fail basic Japanese. Your English is awesome!  

[sally_b]

@HollySometimes - I used to subscribe to Viki, but over time they stopped getting licenses for the *best* dramas...OR...if they got them, they were not licensed for the U.S.

I would give you, here, the various links to the websites where I watch Kdrama, but:

1) This site does not condone posting illegal websites or live streams, which is most of what's available if not Dramafever or Viki (bootleg is ripped from them anyway)

2) If I were to Private Message them to you ~ the URLs could be a disaster for computer viruses. I have SOLID anti-virus, plus ad blockers x3 - unless you also have something like this, clicking on random websites could blow your computer/smartphone.

I suggest that you first get anti-virus and ad blockers then simply Google: Goblin Kdrama episode __ (fill in #) English sub

Lots of links show up. Proceed with caution, but it definitely works.

Feel free to PM me if you need more information.

[yukipinkk]

Something short that I worked on today. Enjoy

 

[itzibitzispider]

If uriGR had seen her past, too, he would not have asked if she saw KS in her live and him in some extend

An Idea I spouted last night:
 

Even thought KS is angry with GR or rather the man he once was, he will still have enough sense to know that GR didn't know much earlier then he did.
Still there will be a quarrel (maybe fight), but as GR will not fight back, the hot air will puff out of KS eventually

Then again, while those two are distracted, PJW (evilEunuch) will have a free spot to harm ET, thought he probably can't enter KSs house (or else other ghosts would have visited ET there, but they were scared of KS, PJW is not). But he can use her released relatives to either get ET out of the house or to enter and  try to harm her. Even thought the mark is weak, there will be still enough force to call on KS and as both man adore ET in their own way they will pull together and save her just in time

They might be carful around each other, but the concern for ET will be their first step into each others direction and eventually solve their dispute 

[mashi]

4 hours ago, ilxyoung said:

 

It's Eun Tak's death card. I'm not really sure about the date & time of death, but I saw a tweet that it says "Eun Tak is to "die" from a fall again; death card reads '坠落死'"

 

Have compared the 2 cards (in ep 11 and 12), the wordings are the same (date and time). So probably just GR doing his report (fingers crossed). 

[k o o k i e.]

Hi everyone, first time posting in here! I usually try not to watch ongoing dramas because I can't stand waiting for it every week, but I started Goblin and now I can't stop  and the soundtrack is LIFE. Literally listening to it everyday.

Anyway, just caught up and episode 12 was seriously like a rollercoaster that only had drops, the feels were too strong. I really wish Sunny and Grim Reaper can have a happy ending but I don't know how this is gonna work. Maybe they'll meet again and fall in love in their next life?

Has anyone read The Little Match Girl by Hans Christian Anderson? The way ET summons KS reminds of it a lot and I feel like the stories may connect with each other. In the original story, a poor little girl sells matches on the streets in winter. To keep herself warm, she lights up the matches. With every match she lights up, she has a happy hallucination (food, warmth, etc.) After the last match burns out, she dies. I feel like Eun Tak is going to run out of 'matches' one day and that will be the reason for her 'death'. Her birthmark is fading, she's losing her ability to see ghosts, so I feel like later on when she tries to summon KS, he won't come. I hope that isn't the case but it's just something I thought of. Wahhhh time to spend another week waiting for new episodes.

 

[napkiin]

10 minutes ago, packmule3 said:

 

@ariesw

Don’t be tricked by the bouncing ball. I told you and others to follow the ring.

The *most* correct vision is from the Lady Reaper who touched Sunny’s RINGLESS hand. The other visions are distorted. 

The Lady Reaper saw that Sunny is the King. 

She recognized the King because she was the one who was tasked to give the poisoned drink for the Queen, but the King upended the tray because he knew it was poisoned. Also, she was an eyewitness at the massacre site when the Eunuch twisted the King’s mind against his Queen and Shin. 

Now, I hope this Lady Reaper does NOT reveal what she saw in Sunny's past, because then the Eunuch will have all the CORRECT pieces of the puzzle in hand. The Eunuch will know that the Real King is Sunny, while our clueless male leads, the Reaper and the Goblin, are still grappling with the WRONG VERSION of the TRUTH.

Shin and the Reaper/Queen are at each other’s throat (well, only Shin at the end of Episode 12) thinking the other one is their mortal enemy when all along the real enemy is Park Joon Woon, as the Queen had said 900 years ago. The past is prologue. 

Without him raising a deadly weapon, the Eunuch’s revenge will be completed if and when Shin kills the Reaper. Because if Shin kills the Reaper, he is actually killing his own beloved sister.  

Without him doing anything but SPREAD LIES, the Eunuch will have eliminated his two most hated enemies: The Queen aka The Reaper, and Shin, in one strike. And it will be Shin who’ll do his dirty deed. 

So you're right.  The Eunuch's revenge is to mislead everybody  and to make them do wicked things without their realization that they've been fooled.  

You see, his greatest and unrivaled power is the power to deceive with lies and distort the truth. He’s doing it all over again here.

For me, the bright thing in this Eunuch's reappearance was ET.  When ET told the Eunuch that he is mistaken because there's no Wang Yeo at their house, and that the nameless grim reaper is named Kim Woo Bin, I laughed. Unbeknownst to them all, that was perfect comeback in Episode 12. It's dramatic irony.

Don’t get fooled by all the smoke and mirror. The Queen is the Reaper and Sunny is the King. 

I should be in bed by now but I didn't want you to wait for my response.   Have a good week ahead of you.

**************************** 

Tagging the usual ladies:

@phikyl @salz@hushhh@gutibear @Athenaries @bebe1989 @romanov @LyraYoo @ariesw @letataves@naritul @staygold (heyyy, you changed your avatar! I like it but I miss the owl, too), @nearsea @vivvianne22 he was a possessed human then. nice one! @annnchan @crazyoverkdrama@kokodus see you here again, @rnia93 my virtual daughter-in-law lol. @dramoron

 @sakurayukihime your English is awesome! You should hear my comical Japanese. Last time I tried to order coffee in Japanese at a McDonald's in Tokyo, they gave me Coke instead. Now, I didn't want to embarrass them so I took the soda and said Konichiwa -- which I knew THE SECOND I said it, was the oddest THING to say. It should have been Arigato. So there you go, I fail basic Japanese. Your English is awesome!  

 

Sigh.

I'm not sure if we're watching the same drama, but it is shown from previous episodes that when a Grim Reaper touches someone, they see a person's past. They never mentioned anything about touching an object to see a person's past. Not to mention Sunny got her past life memories back when Grim Reaper kissed her, and she was ringless, Grim Reaper didn't see any memories at all, it was just Sunny. Grim Reaper didn't even know what Sunny saw, he had to ask her. Towards the end, in the epilogue/preview, Wang Yeo burns robes for Sun to wear in the afterlife.  So in your opinion, if that was NOT Grim Reaper's, who would that be? Who would have the memory of him burning the robes? More importantly, that last sequence in which he walks as a king and it segues into him walking as a grim reaper... if that's not the show's way of confirming that he is the king, then I don't know what else to say.

I'm really curious, why are you so set on Grim Reaper is the queen? In this episode the first 2 minutes or so, a text popped out on the bottom saying Grim Reaper is Wang Yeo. 

 

 

[chicha]

HI all, now that the ending is near with four more episodes to go... I guess the answers are all pretty much laid out for us to see...

I would assume that the Samshin granny and the almighty know exactly who they are talking about, when she was complaining to him about what he was planning...
It tickles me that the way they bicker, they are like the mum and dad of all creation... Mum having a tender heart and Dad going.... : they need tough love to grow!

Regarding Wang Yeo.... 

They immediately cut to the scene where Goblin and Reaper first met... And the almighty dad was innocently saying:" He needed a house..."

Nothing like forced co-habitation to light up some bROMANCE! Even the deity seems aware of this kdrama rule!

These words seem like what the writer wanted to say to us about Gong Yoo/Goblin:

hehehehehehe its no wonder she courted Gong Yoo for 5 years to do one of her dramas right? 

Since we already have a large side of remorse and guilt, all we need now is ONE BIG HUG, two dashes of forgiveness (from the Kim siblings) and a touch of almighty whimsy, maybe we can get a Happy Ending? 
Please, pretty please.

[shintakstan97]

On 7 January 2017 at 10:39 AM, yukipinkk said:

Too cute for words

 

 

Does anybody know the background music for this scene? Or the OST for this hasn't been released? The song was really good and it fits the scene so well! It reminded be of Busker Busker's Cherry Blossom Ending 

[dojoed]

23 minutes ago, napkiin said:

 

Sigh.

I'm not sure if we're watching the same drama, but it is shown from previous episodes that when a Grim Reaper touches someone, they see a person's past. They never mentioned anything about touching an object to see a person's past. Not to mention Sunny got her past life memories back when Grim Reaper kissed her, and she was ringless, Grim Reaper didn't see any memories at all, it was just Sunny. Grim Reaper didn't even know what Sunny saw, he had to ask her. Towards the end, in the epilogue/preview, Wang Yeo burns robes for Sun to wear in the afterlife.  So in your opinion, if that was NOT Grim Reaper's, who would that be? Who would have the memory of him burning the robes? More importantly, that last sequence in which he walks as a king and it segues into him walking as a grim reaper... if that's not the show's way of confirming that he is the king, then I don't know what else to say.

I'm really curious, why are you so set on Grim Reaper is the queen? In this episode the first 2 minutes or so, a text popped out on the bottom saying Grim Reaper is Wang Yeo. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This would be the chyron you're talking about, I presume?

"Goblin has discovered the truth that Sunny was his sister in her previous life, and that Grim Reaper was 'Wang Yeo' in his..."

So pretty much this derails everything that can be said about Sunny being the King and Grims being the Queen, unless the production team wants to lie on national television and incur the wrath of all the Korean netizens. If there really was a twist in store, there would be no need to put this chyron on screen now and shoot themselves in the foot later. 

Tagging the both of you so you two can see this post: @napkiin @packmule3

Edited January 8, 2017 by kumoiwa

[annnchan]

@packmule3 another amazing analysis *claps* 

I thought PJW deliberately told ET about GR identity as WY because PWJ know the truth that GR=Queen so he could have his revenge to KS and Queen at the same time. Hmmmm..... I think I need to watch episode 12 again, and gather another hints 

[romanov]

I am confused.

When KS comes to olive chicken to pay that 5 dollar, Sunny acts as Kim Sun. She remembers her past life, apologize to KS for not living happily, even ask KS to come often to her store from now on.

But when KS comes at night to ask GR whereabout, Sunny acts as Sunny. She even says 'do you think I'm really Kim Sun because i remember my past life?'. And then she doesn't answer KS question.

It's contradictive from what she said before.

Why does she do that??

Does she 'dump' her orabeonni again, and easily just like that?i think a normal sister who had just remembered her past life which had close relationship with her brother, meet her brother again after 900 years, won't do the same thing like that.

Her behavior, responses, seem too weird for me. Like she becomes another person. Her character changes drastically and it doesn't make sense.

[hushhh]

 

 

@packmule3 drew my attention to the kiss memory scene and here seems to be a lot going on there, some things I'm not 100% sure of.

1) The king loves the queen.

2) the king is scared

3) The king did not  deny that the Eunuch was the enemy, in fact he looked desperate and scared crapless at the queen saying it out loud.

4) the king is offended by the queen's lack of adornments yet he ignores most of the jewelry on the floor and search diligently for that specific ring. 

5) there is a mirror on the floor when he is rummaging through for the ring that reflects the king clearly.  I know there is a mirror theory on the thread, but I haven't read it so I'm not sure what we see there.  If it is the person's true self, well the kings looks terrified.  But then he looked terrified outside the mirror also.

6) The king might well be putting on "performance" for the court like he did with the tantrum about the medicine--but I'm not sure.

7) I am sure he is trying to save the queen's life.

8) With the giving of the ring he is trying to convey something beyond the words he is speaking, but she isn't getting it. 

9) The ring triggers a switch in perception. why does the perception shift happen with the ring. In a different story genre the ring would give glamour and shift people like Freaky Goryeo and you would see the person wearing  the ring as the one the ring belongs to. 

After the ring is on it looks as if the king and queen have changed physical position in the room. It isn't quite a reversal 180 degree shift but more like 130 degree shift.  the framing is different.  The queen was always framed by the black and white screen previously, the one wearing the queen's clothes is framed differently, against the interior (?) with  differently furniture behind her.  it is hard to be sure because there isn't a long shot.

Spoiler

 

I think the queen and king switch bodies and the queen survived and lived as the king. <--except I don't believe that because it is the wrong genre. lol

 

10) What do we know about the ring

a) the king forces the queen to wear it

 Samshin Grandma says, “It doesn’t matter who pays. You’ll both end up paying a very high fee anyway.” (Dramabeans)

c) the Shaman told Sunny something to the effect that the ring is not her and carry the sorry etc of the owner. 

[MiamEggTart .]

43 minutes ago, packmule3 said:

 

@ariesw

Don’t be tricked by the bouncing ball. I told you and others to follow the ring.

The *most* correct vision is from the Lady Reaper who touched Sunny’s RINGLESS hand. The other visions are distorted. 

The Lady Reaper saw that Sunny is the King. 

She recognized the King because she was the one who was tasked to give the poisoned drink for the Queen, but the King upended the tray because he knew it was poisoned. Also, she was an eyewitness at the massacre site when the Eunuch twisted the King’s mind against his Queen and Shin. 

Now, I hope this Lady Reaper does NOT reveal what she saw in Sunny's past, because then the Eunuch will have all the CORRECT pieces of the puzzle in hand. The Eunuch will know that the Real King is Sunny, while our clueless male leads, the Reaper and the Goblin, are still grappling with the WRONG VERSION of the TRUTH.

Shin and the Reaper/Queen are at each other’s throat (well, only Shin at the end of Episode 12) thinking the other one is their mortal enemy when all along the real enemy is Park Joon Woon, as the Queen had said 900 years ago. The past is prologue. 

Without him raising a deadly weapon, the Eunuch’s revenge will be completed if and when Shin kills the Reaper. Because if Shin kills the Reaper, he is actually killing his own beloved sister.  

Without him doing anything but SPREAD LIES, the Eunuch will have eliminated his two most hated enemies: The Queen aka The Reaper, and Shin, in one strike. And it will be Shin who’ll do his dirty deed. 

So you're right.  The Eunuch's revenge is to mislead everybody  and to make them do wicked things without their realization that they've been fooled.  

You see, his greatest and unrivaled power is the power to deceive with lies and distort the truth. He’s doing it all over again here.

For me, the bright thing in this Eunuch's reappearance was ET.  When ET told the Eunuch that he is mistaken because there's no Wang Yeo at their house, and that the nameless grim reaper is named Kim Woo Bin, I laughed. Unbeknownst to them all, that was perfect comeback in Episode 12. It's dramatic irony.

Don’t get fooled by all the smoke and mirror. The Queen is the Reaper and Sunny is the King. 

I should be in bed by now but I didn't want you to wait for my response.   Have a good week ahead of you.

**************************** 

Tagging the usual ladies:

@phikyl @salz@hushhh@gutibear @Athenaries @bebe1989 @romanov @LyraYoo @ariesw @letataves@naritul @staygold (heyyy, you changed your avatar! I like it but I miss the owl, too), @nearsea @vivvianne22 he was a possessed human then. nice one! @annnchan @crazyoverkdrama@kokodus see you here again, @rnia93 my virtual daughter-in-law lol. @dramoron

 @sakurayukihime your English is awesome! You should hear my comical Japanese. Last time I tried to order coffee in Japanese at a McDonald's in Tokyo, they gave me Coke instead. Now, I didn't want to embarrass them so I took the soda and said Konichiwa -- which I knew THE SECOND I said it, was the oddest THING to say. It should have been Arigato. So there you go, I fail basic Japanese. Your English is awesome!  

 

Hello,

Sunny being the king and Kim Woo Bin Grim Reaper being the sister would be a big twist, I admit.

However, some things don't align with this theory.

Look at the concept of grim reapers being having committed very BIG sins. I don't think that Kim Sun has committed any sins, whereas the King ordered to kill his beloved Queen and regretted it for the rest of his life. He obviously loved her very much. And did he even order it? That's what everyone thinks, but maybe he did not and punished the Evil Eunuch for it, hence the Evil Eunuch wants to get revenge on both the king and Kim Shin who killed him... Just a floating thought here.

There's also the fact that Sunny remembers her private conversation with her brother calling her ugly (after the kiss). However, I was expecting Sunny to forget all about Grim Reaper as Kim Shin asked her questions, but she knew of the Grim Reaper and wanted to protect him... Does that mean she's immune to forgetting now? Or maybe all her memories with Grim Reaper and the King were "happy" memories...

But I'm also curious as to what the female GR saw when she touched Sunny's hand and the role of the little kid. Maybe the female GR was the one who shot Sunny in the heart? Eun Tak not being able to see the ghost also scares me a little.

 

Best,