[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[MadraRua]

4 hours ago, Shiro_Ragonjan said:

I wonder why King Taejo seems to be so against WS courting or going after HS? Can anybody elaborate what the King could probably thinking?

I mean even though WS is not obviously shown affection by the King he was subtly giving him backup in the shadows by giving him ways to strengthen himself to support the CP. In a way he is still favored by the King.

The status of HS can be easily remedied if the King wanted to but he didn't. She's the victim in the palace games and EVERYBODY knows that. After Lady Oh's demise, the King could've just leave HS alone but NO he just had to separate her further by sending her to the laundry department.

Though in EP 10 the King and the CP were suspicious where WS's loyatly truly lies, he proved his unwavering loyalty to the CP's party by saving the CP from the poisoned tea (eventhough WS did it mainly for HS). Now that he notices this son of his is REALLY into the non-threatening and innocent HS, what he (King) does is continuously prevent WS to do what he wants then go as far as sending him into war in hope that he would forget about HS. Why not give WS a break for all things he went through since he was a kid?

 

I think, and this is all supposition, but from Ji Mong (our resident psychic) the King already knows Wang So will ascend to the throne and become Gwangjong. Don't forget he is the Kings adviser and has 'read the future in the stars'. That's why the King has prepared So with learning martial arts and what not. He knows the Crown Prince won't last long on the throne but for the time being wants So to support him. As his wife, Hae Soo will not be good enough to become Queen. She's been demoted so many times and has the scars to go with it. Plus lets not forget, Lady Oh sacrificed herself for Hae Soo... the King at this point should be harboring a deep grudge against her, although from my point of view it's his own weak ability as a ruler which caused her death and punishment.  

Then there's the fact of Wang So directly petitioning the King over Hae Soo twice in fact. First when she was to be married to the King. then when she was to be hanged as a result of the poisoning incident. In both cases, Wang So was less than respectful in petitioning the King.... almost I would say confrontational. This would not sit well with any ruler much less the King of a new founded state. His rule cannot be seen as being questioned. This is all laughable though really as he allows Queen Yoo to run rings around him.... . He is both punishing Wang So and disciplining him in not letting him marry the girl. He knows this to be So's greatest desire. 

All these combined make for the King a strong case to separate Wang So from Hae Soo  to our eternal frustration but I'm sure it's not an insurmountable objective to So. 

 

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Good morrow Eclipses. Only one day left 

 

Cr: winterandmistletoe

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Edit:

Finally I got ...... after twice getting Wang Yo ...  Do not, I repeat.. Do Not choose the expensive present.... kekekeke

Wang So (4th Prince)

Although he can be rebellious and a bit cold at times, Wang So is actually only like this on the outside because of how much he's been hurt by others. It takes someone like you, who possesses a lot of compassion and sincerity, to break through that wall. You also know what it means to be hurt by people, so you naturally tend to understand those who have been hurt. And in return for your genuineness, he'll trust you like no one else and be willing to do anything to protect you from harm.

http://www.soompi.com/2016/09/30/quiz-scarlet-heart-goryeo-prince-soulmate/

 

[itzibitzispider]

6 minutes ago, LyraYoo said:

 

Before anything else, is this the official text preview.? Aigoo, My heart. 

 

That's why I asked if it is a fact from sbs ... I don't want to miscredit anyone, but before we get carried away, we might see here a prediction of someone, who is not an on scene 1. hand scource

[privio]

3 hours ago, MoOnLoVeRz said:

 

 

If this really true, I wanna shake HS so hard and screaming "WHY DID YOU DO IT???!!! DONT'T YOU KNOW HE ALREADY CHOOSE HIS AMBITION OVER YOU??!! HE ALREADY LEAVE YOU ALONE IN THE RAIN FOR GOD's SAKE!!! WHY???!!!!!" 

But, HS certainly have "recently-broke-up syndrome" if she ask Wook if he misses her, you know the kind that call your ex and ask him "did you miss me? I miss you". It usually last for some months before she realize how pathetic she is. (and realize there's another fishes in the ocean). it understandable, but stil WHY Hae Soo???? WHY???? THERE'S Wang Soo THAT LOVE YOU MORE THAN HIS LIFE!!!! WHY?????!!!   *end of my self delution tirade*

Edited October 2, 2016 by privio
need to emphasis IF THIS IS TRUE

[zerovk9x]

3 hours ago, MoOnLoVeRz said:

 

HS's rejection of WS's proposal is expected. She's just lost Court Lady Oh and her "candy lover" turned his back on her right at the moment she thought he was her last hope. At present, life to her is a terrible nightmare in which she wishes for nothing but being woken up. I'm okay with her turning WS down for now but hopefully she will be able to recover and move on soon enough. Let's say, she will avoid So for around one more episode (Pls writer, don't drag it over two or three more episodes, I'm starting to lose my patience >"<), then something will happen as the final push and motivation for her to open up to him and love him back. Only 9 episodes left and I really need to see our OTP having a happy time together for a few episodes before their relationship is hit by a storm later on. HS yah, pls wake up and see for yourself who is the one you can trust and rely on. You saw it with your own eyes that Wook had left you behind and walked away while WS chose to stand by your side on that day in the pouring rain. If that can't open your eyes then I don't know what can. Pls don't waver no matter what excuses Wook would use to defend himself and don't let his words blind you again. It would be a huge disappointment if you did 

 

[SizzlerZ]

4 hours ago, xiao_baiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii said:

@SizzlerZ YES!!!!!!!! After she has the vision of Gwangjong she has become so different and timid in her actions. It seems almost a lifetime away from when she challenged the ways of Goryeo in her drunken talks with Baek Ah, and her social commentary which So had echoed! I miss the girl that realised that she could take her fate into her own hands, the one that intentionally scarred herself in order to avoid getting married to the king, and the one that knew that she couldn't rely on anyone but herself to get what she wants.

I know that in the next episode she is going to be completely run down as a washing maid, but... I want our smiling, witty and optimistic Soo back T_T 

In the longer preview, we've seen that she becomes a concubine (?) but she's in tears. I wonder what will come next and in terms of character development, will Soo continue the pathway of the tragic heroine that is ultimately going to sacrifice everything for So? Or will she overcome this and adskfsakdlfs so many questions lol

 

I know it does seem a lifetime away! Although I want to see the old Hae Soo back I have a feeling we're not going to see her.  As the drama progresses and Hae Soo continues living in Goryoe - sorry surviving in Goryoe she will definetly have her ups amongst the tragic events. We'll see her smiles in these ups but I doubt those smiles will be enough to say that our old Hae Soo is back.  
Of course Hae Soo is still Hae Soo, she hasn't changed completely and her strong held principles and beliefs still haven't changed. We see this when she was kneeling to protest for Concubine Oh didn't we? So I think it's safe to say that the writers won't change Hae Soo's character completely.
As much as I want to see the 21st century sassy girl back I don't think we'll see her. When I first picked up on this I thought it would be Wang So who would bring her back but then I realised that the chances are smile since there is way too much happening in the coming episodes. Although I still do hope I'm wrong and Wang So has some magic potion or something to be back to the 'noisy thing' she is.  - If someone gets my reference please tell me, when I do such things people don't really get it so I really want to know. If you want to know what I was trying to do please tell me  

[atgirlina]

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Edited October 2, 2016 by ratgirlina
it's been a while since i posted a pic. yay

[briseis]

2 hours ago, qwenli said:

I am not sure how to say this,but am kind if disappointed with kdrama being more and more formulaic. 

Like ep 1 n 2 have to be real good and big budget to capture audience and then by ep 8, there must be a kiss. Blah blah.

I wish more dramas just tells a story proper building characters and plot. But I know the production cost is high and everything is dollars and cents. It's hard to find the outlier dramas like Misaeng. 

HOWEVER, THIS NOT NOT THE CASE OF MOON LOVERS. They are following the way the relationship developed in the novel and in the drama = keeping faithful to the flow of the original story, keeping faithful to Tong Hua's work. I think that because they changed the historical background so much PEOPLE OFTEN FORGET THAT IT IS STILL AN ADAPTATION OF THE NOVEL - the people who hate HS's prolonged relationship with the 8th Prince obvious don't know that it's exactly what happened in the novel; and changing it would be like completely leaving out Eowyn's infatutation with Aragorn in the LOTR adaptation.

Let's put away all the fancraze about how the drama will end too soon and that there is not enough time to develop the story and look at it objectively. THE NOVEL ITSELF ISN'T THAT LONG - IT HAS 3 X 250-PAGES-LONG VOLUMES (this is not some epic saga like Tolstoy's, it started as an internet novel)! AND THEY HAVE 20 HOURS TO ADAPT IT. Peter Jackson had only some 8-9 hours to adapt the 1000+ LOTR trilogy.

The cdrama had 35 45-minute episodes = 1575 minutes = 26x60-minute episodes. RX accepted the 4th Princes feelings in episodes 22-23 which is approx. around the 1035-minute mark=17th EPISODE. SO THE KOREAN VERSION IS PERFECTLY ON TIME AND KEEPING TRUE TO THE GRADUAL DEVELOPMENT.

(By the way, I can't believe I just used math to prove my point. I mean this show is making us go completely nuts, I think the comment that perfectly sums this up is the one I received when I wrote about the solar eclipses occuring in the years 941 and 975 and added the NASA link -  "when your otp ending looks so bleak you science your way to a happy ending")

2 hours ago, privio said:

 

If this really true, I wanna shake HS so hard and screaming "WHY DID YOU DO IT???!!! DONT'T YOU KNOW HE ALREADY CHOOSE HIS AMBITION OVER YOU??!! HE ALREADY LEAVE YOU ALONE IN THE RAIN FOR GOD's SAKE!!! WHY???!!!!!" 

But, HS certainly have "recently-broke-up syndrome" if she ask Wook if he misses her, you know the kind that call your ex and ask him "did you miss me? I miss you". It usually last for some months before she realize how pathetic she is. (and realize there's another fishes in the ocean). it understandable, but stil WHY Hae Soo???? WHY???? THERE'S Wang Soo THAT LOVE YOU MORE THAN HIS LIFE!!!! WHY?????!!!   *end of my self delution tirade*

I wouldn't be so quick to take that bit of news like it were the Holy Writ because it's pulled completely out of context and misleading just like the previews. I think that SOO WILL CONFRONT WOOK ABOUT HOW HE ABANDONED HER and that's something completely natural that she would want to hear him directly say it - IT's NECCESSARY FOR HER SO SHE COULD FINALLY LET HIM GO AND MOVE ON (to Wang So :-)). 

[Akiddo]

5 hours ago, MoOnLoVeRz said:

 

Is this an official preview that is translated or a projected story arc based on the video? doubt Soo will ask Wook if he had missed her....I would be highly disappointed if she does.

[Diana Blanche]

@bebebisous33  I've always liked your analysis, and if I may I'd like to add something to your post. It is said that the first impression counts. And I think that in her mind, Hae Soo always saw Wang Wook like this:

that's why her mind refuse to believe that she has been abandoned by him in her most difficult moment.

[skxz]

EXPECTATION

Cr: tumblr

REALITY

 

I'm very excited for tomorrow! So much is happening as always. So and Wook will obviously be in a vicious battle for both the throne and protection of those dear to them. I'm keen to see Wook wield a sword again and see the transition in his character. And So and Soo ever growing relationship YESSSSS!!! I have exams soon so idk if I'll be able to livestream  If I can't I know I can rely on fellow Eclipses to keep me updated  THANKS GUYS!!

[SizzlerZ]

If Hae Soo rejects Wang So then what was her reason!?!?!?

Concubine Oh?? If it is then please let Wang So know, I'm sure he'll understand...

 

[privio]

1 minute ago, briseis said:

I wouldn't be so quick to take that bit of news like it were the Holy Writ because it's pulled completely out of context and misleading just like the previews. I think that SOO WILL CONFRONT WOOK ABOUT HOW HE ABANDONED HER and that's something completely natural that she would want to hear him directly say it - IT's NECCESSARY FOR HER SO SHE COULD FINALLY LET HIM GO AND MOVE ON. 

 

@briseis Oh? They have history misleading the previews? Thank god. I'm a happy SoSoo shipper again.  I hope your prediction will become true. HS need closure with Wook and if she confront him about his abandonment we will finally see the end of their romance and preparing HS for another one. 

ps. I follow you on tumblr, and your posts in this forum and in tumblr really help me to go through SHR withdrawal and I start watching Jang Ok Jung because I surfing throught your old post (It was great BTW.) Thank you .

[littleloony]

4 hours ago, liddi said:

@Mona Ys

Regardless of which version, the solitary double bass that plays the moment Taejo realises it was So, not Moo behind the mask... building up to a fever pitch as the ensemble of strings traces So's singleminded pursuit of the assassins, never fails to give me chills. Please, please let them release the instrumental soundtrack, if possible, even midway through the drama, instead of having to wait to the end.

Yes!!! This one exactly. Ohh your description of that soundtrack is exactly how i feel everytime I hear it. They use it most appropriately in the drama. Please tell me they are gonna release that instrumental bgm. It is Daebak! So atmospheric. It never fails to elevate the scene and specially So's emotional display. I love love love it . This is one thing they do well in the production. 

[aypopa]

On 1.10.2016 г. at 10:04 AM, SizzlerZ said:

 

18 minutes ago, SizzlerZ said:

If Hae Soo rejects Wang So then what was her reason!?!?!?

Concubine Oh?? If it is then please let Wang So know, I'm sure he'll understand...

 

Ok maybe HS will ask WW did you miss me and when he say yes all the time she say but i don't miss you at all and don't need you hahahaha pls let be this way and is not for WS who i love but for HS because after all of what happen it to miserable.... it's normal to reject WS for now it to soon after all and she know he will be a king she can't tell him the true 

[fathiayunia]

@lavendre @hallyus

I'm gonna cross my fingers and pray to drama gods that IF that translation is true, Hae Soo's "Do you miss me?" to Wook is not in context of

"I still love you, and misses you, how about you?"

but about

"Do you miss me, while I was there in prison you only told me to stay strong, while I was almost hanged and died you were nowhere to be seen, while I was kneeling in the rain you turned your back on me and never look back. Do you even misses me? Do you even love me?"

Sorry for the hyperbole words. Hahaha I hope in the next two episodes, they're gonna wrap up Wang Wook and Hae Soo love arc beautifully and start the foundation of Wang So and Hae Soo love arc. And I agree that Hae Soo won't change her heart easily. With all her heartbreak in recent episode and Wang So suddenly asking her to get married to him, she won't jump in just like that. Like, you just build the foundation, but you already wanted a roof? It's too soon boy! Hahaha

But if it's not happening, I'm gonna decide that this drama is indeed stupid, err.. sorry more like, Hae Soo is indeed stupid, but I'm still going to believe that ost picture with Hae Soo in red and Wang So in black wearing mask kissing. Or that bareback LJK instagram picture with IU in vicinity. Pfftttt

@Lmangla hahahaha I think we're on the same (jokes) wavelength  I agree that orange color and that heavy eyeliner are distracting! How can an evil guy in Sageuk looks like a rock band member? Pfftttt. Hahaha I actually laughed seeing the evil queen wardrobe in episode 11 (forgot which scene, if I'm not wrong it's when she met YH and WW and Queen Hwangbo), like everybody is in turmoil because of Hae Soo's verdict but she looked like she just went back from shopping. I laughed out loud seeing that. Hahahaha

Totally agree with Wang So. And once again I'm LOL-ing because of this

1 hour ago, Lmangla said:

sorry again for cutting your post!

if the theme is to celebrate romance and personal growth, then we can get a somewhat happy ending but it will leave rational viewers utterly confused on how this whole time travel-soul switching - premonition thing really works! am keeping fingers crossed to get some major mind-bending absolute-nonsensical science that makes zero sense! hahahah

@ratgirlina omg your post totally made my day! Miserable food lemon us. HAHAHAHAHAHA

[meahri_1]

@ck1Oz Annyeong chingu! Have been wanting to ask you for a little while now about why Viki wasn't able to secure a license for MLSHR? Do you happen to know?

[SizzlerZ]

7 minutes ago, aypopa said:

 

Ok maybe HS will ask WW did you miss me and when he say yes all the time she say but i don't miss you at all and don't need you hahahaha pls let be this way and is not for WS who i love but for HS because after all of what happen it to miserable.... it's normal to reject WS for now it to soon after all and she know he will be a king she can't tell him the true 

 

I hope she says that back to WW as well. I get that she would reject WS but I don't think it would be too soon. I'm pretty sure he proposes after he comes back from the warzone (I think) or maybe Shinju (?) so I think quite some time will pass. I can understand her rejecting him because of him becoming king and the change in history she might cause. 

I don't think I need to worry about this because after all this is Wang So we're talking about, but just to put this out there I hope that Hae Soo's rejection (and the reason she gives him) doesn't make Wang So give Hae Soo up. At first this thought concerned me but then considering the amount of episodes we have left, common k-drama trends and most of Wang So himself made me throw away my worries.  

[bebebisous33]

I understand why Hae Soo rejects Wang So's proposal. She has many reasons for her refusal:

- Wang Wook had already proposed to her and in the end, she was betrayed

- Lady Oh's death: The court lady had warned her that she was blind and she shouldn't trust the marriage proposal from Wang Wook. Lady Oh's death has such an impact on Hae Soo. She lost her mother and she can't forget that if she had followed lady Oh's advice (leaving the palace), the latter wouldn't have died because of her. So as a sign of respect towards lady Oh, she wants to follow her mother's advice: cut all the ties with the princes.

- She can't trust anyone any longer. This was the second advice from lady Oh. She is following her advice. 

Moreover, if she accepted Wang So's proposal, this would make her look like an easy woman. She needs time to forget Wang Wook. She can't jump to the next ship so quickly!

@ktcjdrama

 

[briseis]

1 hour ago, Diana Blanche said:

 

This bothers me too. We've had 11 episodes to see how Wang Wook has lured her with his words and his lovey-dovey gestures. And it seems that even in the next two episodes we will not see any gesture of affection from her towards Wang So. All I hope is that in the episodes who will be left Hae Soo will accept Wang So love in the end and the interaction between her and him to be mutual and intense. But I still question myself if she will accept Wang So because she really loves him or because she feels grateful towards him. Will it be love or gratitude? I hope with all my heart to be love.

Honestly, I’m completely baffled by the many panicked and dejected comments which say that HS doesn’t love WS, that she only feel gratefulness for him, etc…. Especially, after 11 FULL EPISODES OF DEVELOPMENT, AFTER A WHOLE YEAR THEY’VE KNOWN EACH OTHER (we have hundreds of gifsets that document and prove all their numerous interactions, each meaningful and beautiful on its own), AFTER WANG SO SAVED HER SO MANY TIMES, but also after the many times she helped him - but no one is mistaking Wang So’s feelings for gratefulness. That’s why I wrote the previous POST. I think that  the fact that he almost died for her AND THAT SHE ALMOST LOST HIM WILL HELP HER REALIZE WHAT SHE FEELS FOR HIM. 

Is this the face of a woman who is grateful? I THINK NOT!

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[Diana Blanche]

48 minutes ago, briseis said:

HOWEVER, THIS NOT NOT THE CASE OF MOON LOVERS. They are following the way the relationship developed in the novel and in the drama = keeping faithful to the flow of the original story, keeping faithful to Tong Hua's work. I think that because they changed the historical background so much PEOPLE OFTEN FORGET THAT IT IS STILL AN ADAPTATION OF THE NOVEL - the people who hate HS's prolonged relationship with the 8th Prince obvious don't know that it's exactly what happened in the novel; and changing it would be like completely leaving out Eowyn's infatutation with Aragorn in the LOTR adaptation.

Let's put away all the fancraze about how the drama will end too soon and that there is not enough time to develop the story and look at it objectively. THE NOVEL HAS ONLY SOME 250 PAGES (this is not some epic saga like Tolstoy's, it started as an internet novel)! AND THEY HAVE 20 HOURS TO ADAPT IT. Peter Jackson had only some 8-9 hours to adapt the 1000+ LOTR trilogy.

The cdrama had 35 45-minute episodes = 1575 minutes = 26x60-minute episodes. RX accepted the 4th Princes feelings in episodes 22-23 which is approx. around the 1035-minute mark=17th EPISODE. SO THE KOREAN VERSION IS PERFECTLY ON TIME AND KEEPING TRUE TO THE GRADUAL DEVELOPMENT.

(By the way, I can't believe I just used math to prove my point. I mean this show is making us go completely nuts, I think the comment that perfectly sums this up is the one I received when I wrote about the solar eclipses occuring in the years 941 and 975 and added the NASA link -  "when your otp ending looks so bleak you science your way to a happy ending")

 

I wouldn't be so quick to take that bit of news like it were the Holy Writ because it's pulled completely out of context and misleading just like the previews. I think that SOO WILL CONFRONT WOOK ABOUT HOW HE ABANDONED HER and that's something completely natural that she would want to hear him directly say it - IT's NECCESSARY FOR HER SO SHE COULD FINALLY LET HIM GO AND MOVE ON (to Wang So :-)). 

 

I haven't read the novel nor have I seen the chinese version of this drama. But there were so many posts in this therad about them that I almost know what will follow. So, I took my heart in my teeth, waiting for a sad ending. But even so to see the relationship of love between Hae Soo and Wang So developed in just two-three episodes I feel that is not enough for me. I only hope it will be intense and beautiful. Another rejection of her will be hard to bear. And after those episodes I will have to see Hae Soo die. Surely this will leave a bitter taste in my mouth. That doesn't mean that the beauty of this drama will fade for me.

Maybe it's because I love so much this couple.