[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[hallyus]

13 minutes ago, Gabi Bros said:

In the next episode:

Wook to Soo: "I missed you each and every second" 

Wook to So: "A prince and a maid getting married?" 

You have already made your choices!   BOY PLEASE STOP! 

 

 

Actually that line in the next episode fears me the most. I'm afraid that Wook will come to her again and trying to sway her with his words, so that Soo won't turn away from him. Wook doesn't want to lose her, but he only has eyes for the throne. He said to Jung that he can't go against King's will in the preview. It means he wants other people to know that he has no relationship anymore with Soo. However, what he said to So's idea to marry Soo is a shield of Wook to keep Soo only for himself. I don't think Soo already knew the reason of him turned his back, but I hope she does know later that he is a man full of himself. (Ugh don't cry for that man, gurl! you are someone who dared to disobey the king, why should you being so weak in front of him?)

Wang So is completely opposite of him. He tries to embrace Soo first while he thinks another way out. He puts Soo's safety above everything, even above himself. That way, somehow he wants to teach Soo that everything in the world is not as white as she thinks. To gain something, there must be a pain, there must be sacrifice. Girl, you said that you won't be selfish anymore since you know that a person had willingly die in your place, right? Please don't forget Wang So who drinks that poison too. He did that for you even though he said no.

Sigh, I've never been this desperate to make the first female lead aware to the first male lead action. When I watch the other dramas, I'm always sure how the girl would ended up with. But this time, it makes me nervous because the girl hasn't seen the invisible cloak the second male lead wear, but she keeps getting bad premonitions about the first male lead that makes her justify all of his kindness to it.

[Gabi Bros]

For the ones that haven't seen them:

CUT SCENES FROM EPISODE 6 TO 10. 

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[MoOnLoVeRz]

 

[MoOnLoVeRz]

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[fuyukoneko]

34 minutes ago, LyraYoo said:

 

Tricky because he killed the monks without mercy. (And casually remarked to General Park that they deserve to die).

Misunderstanding that made him to become one actually. Yet despite the impression ,he still have his own autonomy who lives or not.

It started when he "killed those wolves" (Chaeryung 's story to HS validates it)  . When the Kangs sent him to a mountain with a pack of wolves, he survived. Thus the terror it brought to villagers . The rumor escalated, plus the scar on his face made him more ruthless in the eyes of everyone. (Only to find out it was because of his bestfriend  Pat Pat being the sacrificial tree to fight the wolves.)

Funny because nobody actually saw his scar. Even the royal family didnt see how it looks like until Eun's birthday. Then people during the rain ritual was surprised that "hey , where is the scar?" which made the  360 degree shift of perception towards him. He become regal/royal to people's eyes.

 It was a predetermined impression, more of a horn effect/fundamental attribution to him as a person. Poor dude was not given the chance to prove his worth, that he is not that cruel they thought him to be. Yet the perception was by default thus he took at as it and even used it to his advantage (so thus the situation when 14th and Hae Soo encountered the thugs , So only pointed the sword and threaten them.).

That is why I appreciate the writer to set the complicated character of Wang So. It is not as easy as knight in your shining armor prince where he would kill for the glory of love. His choices will always under the same denominator. He wants to survive like anyone else. Yet , for now, as noob as he is when in comes to love, he is giving his all without reservation. 

 

It was that part especially that made me question if Wang So was misunderstood or not. That he felt justified in killing all of those fallen monks and he was only hurt by his mom rejecting him. And although it was brave of him to be willing to fight the escort that was going to bring HS into the palace in episode 6, he didn't pause at the idea that his brothers might die because of his actions.

I like your explanation of his character and why he is the way he is.

[MoOnLoVeRz]

some very nice fan made wall-es!

[chrissydiva]

@fuyukoneko Good thing that you brought that up. I did raise an eyebrow that he was pretty much like "your point?" when YH brought up that if they opposed a royal decree, they will all be dead. He was only focus on getting HS away and consequences later whether the rest of the brothers died or not. Even when HS said she was fine and wanted to get down, he didn't until he looked at Baek Ah who signaled him to let her down. And he still asked her one more time if she was sure lol Though it's still consistent with his character. He tends to act first in the moment even though he knows there will be dire consequences later. The thing is I do think he has a view on things that he bases his actions on. Whether this version in the drama have him killed more than one brother  (I do think he'll definitely kill 9th prince), So will feel justified in doing so just like he did with the monks. I honestly had no issues with him killing them tbh. They were gonna die anyway since the CP was also headed that way. It's just that So's reason was to protect his evil mom not really for the sake of the royal family.

[Gabi Bros]

 

[mitheone]

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Today's the day! Be still our hearts - it's 11 back-to-back episodes of #ONEScarletHeart, starting from 12:45pm-1:02am on ONE (ch393)

 

Happily jumping into the marathon bandwagon but suddenly reminded of the scene in episode 3 where YH is touching WS' cheek. Note to self: FF this scene

However, I definitely won't fast forward this scene in episode 8 when HS is doing the touching. Squeeee

[UnniSarah]

1 hour ago, Gabi Bros said:

In the next episode:

Wook to Soo: "I missed you each and every second" 

Wook to So: "A prince and a maid getting married?" 

You have already made your choices!   BOY PLEASE STOP! 

 

 

Chingu @Gabi Bros... That man has no right to even dare to tell Hae Soo he missed her. I'm like WTF I see husband problem. He tells his brother he won't dare go against the King but he mad when she returns his bracelet. He is just so darn irritating in my eyes.  I agree he should stop chingu and let Hae Soo go since he can't protect her. 

@glacial HkUo Hou aYou are correct even when she was being held hostage he had no intention of hurting Hae Soo at all. In fact remember the scene when WW tried  to take Hs from him, he held her possesively, I think that subconsciously he did not want to let her go but to cover up for pulling her closer to him he said "why should I let her go because of her he lost his only witness." He thought she had to pay for it but I knew then it was all a bluff.  

[fuyukoneko]

@chrissydiva I didn't think there was anything wrong with him killing the fallen monks turned assassins or the possibility he kills some of his brothers. And I'm hoping WS's stops forgiving his mom and dad (even if I overlook the emotional abuse, what kind of parents leave their kid with a woman who locks up their child without food and water?) and retaliates against them in the future.

I was more asking what kind of person do we think he is. I really like that he's not depicted as a perfect hero or a master manipulator like the Chinese drama's 4th prince.

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[Mona Ys]

wow... I'm watching the marathon on

ONe Asia channel in my country in Indonesia, and I just realised they already changed the  version, they marathon the SBS version, not international version. Daebak! 

[bim2]

4 minutes ago, Mona Ys said:

wow... I'm watching the marathon on

ONe Asia channel in my country in Indonesia, and I just realised they already changed the  version, they marathon the SBS version, not international version. Daebak! 

Unfortunately I can't watch the marathon, coz' of my work time. I hope I can catch ep 11 when its air this night. 

My boss didn't give me permission to take break this day. Huhuhuhu... 

[atgirlina]

7 hours ago, fuyukoneko said:

@chrissydiva I didn't think there was anything wrong with him killing the fallen monks turned assassins or the possibility he kills some of his brothers. And I'm hoping WS's stops forgiving his mom and dad (even if I overlook the emotional abuse, what kind of parents leave their kid with a woman who locks up their child without food and water?) and retaliates against them in the future.

I was more asking what kind of person do we think he is. I really like that he's not depicted as a perfect hero or a master manipulator like the Chinese drama's 4th prince.

I think if soo didn't show up in his life, he could literally ended up as a vicious crazy king who laugh after killing eun in soo's vision or hallucination or what ever it was. 

In the palace he now calls home, only because baek ah and soo are there. Not before that. 

His father, mother, the people treats him like a monster or a shield for cp survival. He's not a madman after all of that is a miracle.

He has all these flaws that makes him so much more lovable to those who really knows him.

He said it himself best, he doesn't know how to be with people. Ì

[MoOnLoVeRz]

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Princess Yeonhwa: The girl who dreams to rise above

“Look like the innocent flower, 
But be the serpent under it.”

–Macbeth, Shakespeare 

Man, I’ll tell you this now–long before Moon Lovers started, I was deeply,deeply interested in Princess Yeonhwa’s character. Knowing her history, the daughter of Taejo, and being future Queen Daemok, wife and consort to King Gwangjong (Wang So), I was curious as to how her character would play out. 

I actually thought that she would already be married to Wang So when the drama started out, because they all got married so young in Goryeo (and Wook was already married, and he’s the same age as So), but I’m glad that the drama is choosing to show more of Princess Yeonhwa before her marriage (and also So) and I think it’ll be greatly interesting to see how her path continues down. 

I adore female characters who have ambition. And I love Yeonhwa for wanting to rise above her brothers–the princes–and the Emperor himself. #usurpthepower #princessyeonhwaforEmperor943AD #SLYTHERIN

Princess Yeonhwa was introduced as a King-Maker, a genius above the emperor. And man, this girl’s got her eyes set on the throne, and then some.

Let’s take a look at her promotional material first. 

“I will become the Empress. If not me, then who will protect His Majesty?” 

(The word “페하” is used; direct translation of how you address the Emperor in a formal way; also “His Majesty.” But who exactly is she talking about? I would assume So, because he’s the only way that she can become the Empress.) 

I think many people worry that Yeonhwa will be reduced to a “bitchy second female lead” and I’d be lying if I wasn’t worried about that myself. Following Lady Hae’s death, I feel that she sort of disappeared from the narrative–but I’m glad that she came back with the rain festival, and with the past few episodes, I’m also greatly happy to see that she’s getting more screentime and seeing her character development and set things into motion. I hope the writers continue down this path. She’s got so much potential. She’s also the closest character to being a second female lead, but even then, that’s a bit of a stretch because there are so many other characters she has to share the spotlight with. 

On her character description, which I’ll loosely translate:

You tried to tie me down through marriage, and so, I will become Goryeo’s owner through marriage. 

The daughter born between Taejo and Queen Hwangbo, who receives her father’s love the most. Fitting to her status, she possesses class and beauty, but she’s also that much obsessed/fixated on her position. Being born a woman, she laments over the fact she cannot rise to the throne. Therefore, she wishes to become the genius above the emperor, a king-maker. She despises Hae Soo, who doesn’t understand how the palace works and has good fortune and love. Because for Yeonhwa, marriage was about love, it was a matter between life and death. 

Now the first and last last part are both interesting. While Hae Soo can’t control why her fate and wonders why she ended up in such a place as Goryeo, she still finds love. She finds love, and she can choose who she loves–whether it’s Wook or So. But for Yeonhwa, who is a princess, she doesn’t have the sort of control. Thus marriage is also a double-edged sword. Depending on who Yeonhwa marries, it could also harm her. She says they tried to restrain her through marriage, but Yeonhwa isn’t the type to lie low. No matter where she is, she’ll fight for what she wants. 

While she tells So and Yo that she wants a man who cherishes her (I’m not exactly sure if she’s even speaking the truth in the scene because she’s a woman who uses her words to manipulate those around her, along with her beautiful smiles), she will ultimately not have a choice in terms of love. Her marriage is a matter of life and death. 

Which is why it makes her marriage to So a very interesting one. No doubt, it’ll be a political marriage. As people have pointed out, Hae Soo wouldn’t quite have strong political ties as a wife or a queen, and her body is scarred (thus she cannot become a bride of the Emperor, but this rule could be changed or looped out of in the future). The Hae clan is quite a powerful family but they don’t really seemed to be concerned with her–so Soo is pretty much on her own. Yeonhwa has hinted at the possibility of marriage with Yo, who also dreams of becoming the Emperor of Goryeo. It’s not the ideal marriage she wants, and she wouldn’t become queen because he already has another official wife, she still is willing to use him to gain power. 

However, with Yeonhwa wanting to set her brother up to the throne and turnhim into an Emperor, she may turn her back on Yo at the drop of a hat. Of course, if her brother becomes the Emperor, she won’t become the queen… but she’ll have protected her family and gain a significant amount of power that she wants. 

But following history, we know that Yo won’t last on his throne, and Gwangjong (Wang So) follows right after him as Emperor. I have a sickening feeling in my stomach that there’s a strong chance that Wook may die. It would explain as to why Yeonhwa may choose So in the end, as a way to survive. A matter of life and death, remember? 

Yeonhwa is also deeply interested in So, perhaps romantically… but perhaps not. I think for her, it’s not so much about love, but she’s interested in the idea of So. She tells Yo: “Sometimes I think it’d be fun to make a man out of a beast.” While Yeonhwa originally helps So in treating his injuries, I think she also thinks of him as someone she can use. (Conversely, I don’t think So is in the state of being where he sees people as pawns; he’s still learning how the palace works and how the people within it operate–which is why he struggles deeply with his mother, who is always playing games). Because in the end, Yeonhwa was also horrified at So’s face. Which is where the divide between Yeonhwa and Hae Soo occurs for So. Soo has seen the truth of So, beyond the scar, but Yeonhwa has merely tapped the surface (though she may divide to dig in deeper in the future). 

I don’t think Yeonhwa and So would make for a bad couple; they don’t hate each other, and they may get along well. Of course, if Soo gets in between them, then that’s where things may fall apart. But Yeonhwa will still be a queen, even if Hae Soo is there (Lady Oh/Queen Yoo parallels, anyone?) I still think it’s a darn shame that Yeonhwa and Soo can’t be friends–I’m so tired of seeing women being pitted against each other. BECAUSE GUESS WHAT, KOREA! NOT ALL WOMEN ARE OUT TO DESTROY ONE ANOTHER! 

Being the Slytherin she is, Yeonhwa is deeply invested in protecting her family. She greatly fears that the other clans will retaliate against her clan, and she already knows that compared to the Yoo family, their family has no power. Queen Yoo drove out her mother, her brother and her–it’s an act that Yeonhwa cannot forgive and forget. But in order to make her brother the emperor, Yeonhwa is ready to ally with Queen Yoo to gain that power. She can set aside her differences to get what she wants. Yeonhwa is cunning, sly, and resourceful.

But she’s still young. She played with fire, but I think the last few episodes showed that Queen Yoo has been playing this game for longer, and Yeonhwa is still on the weaker side. Queen Yoo, although she helps Yeonhwa, she would be willing to through Yeonhwa away to protect what’s hers. And I think Yeonhwa realizes that. That’s why she steps up to “drink the poison,” following So. She’s a fast learner, and I don’t doubt that she could easily surpass Queen Yoo one day. 

I really hope that Yeonhwa doesn’t become a character that is simply evil. She’s so much more than that. She’s a princess, she will be a queen, she will be one of the ones who survives the bloodshed that will inevitably come after Taejo’s death. She may be cruel or mean. She’s also fixated on her status and the rules. She’s had years of practicing her smile, using it as a weapon, and using her words to manipulate those around her. Taejo probably doesn’t even know that she’s got so much ambition inside of her, burning deeply. She is a flower, but a deadly one. She’s not to be taken lightly. Power is important to her, because she wants to her protect herself and her family. And I understand that, and that is why I find her to be a compelling character. 

This is also where I see similarities between her and Soo, because I think they both have people to protect. But Soo is kind and wants to be helpful to everyone around her, but Yeonhwa wasn’t raised that way–she’s seen the cruelty and ruthlessness in the palace–and she doesn’t have that luxury. The palace is a place where you can trust no one, and a place where you have doubt those closest to you. 

And so, while the princes grapple for the throne in their bloodshed, Yeonhwa will play her game slowly, using her power (no matter how limited it is as a princess) and using men in her family as much as she can to get what she wants–and she’ll succeed. 

[Lmangla]

8 hours ago, MadraRua said:

@Lmangla

Welcome to Moon Lovers thread chingu. Can't wait for your insightful posts  

And I've just realized I'm sorely outnumbered by all you brainiacs 

hey ya @MadraRua! brainiacs? don't tell me this 800+ pages are all analysis?

is no one swooning over hot and magnetic wang soo looks?

is no one developing diabetes from sighing and savouring the OTP moments?

is no one is wondering where wang yo (the evil brother of wang soo) gets his amazing orange earrings? hahahahha.. actually, even the ladies have some pretty jewelry here -- very delicate flowers all abound. where can I buy that? there has to be knock-off cheap versions of that floating in the market somewhere right?.. kekekek...

oh dear! will try to keep analysis short and post some fun stuff now and then!

7 hours ago, zenya22 said:

@Lmanglanot random really, but insightful. Wookie is conflicted.... because he does have ambition and has responsibilities as the first born male to be the head of his family and probably his clan. I will not elaborate since I don't want to spoil your viewing cause you only watched 2eps but yes you are on the right track.... 

thanks @zenya22; this drama was not really on my radar when it first started airing for several reasons -- it is a saeguk and I stay away from that because I usually get lost. predominantly filled with gazillion men characters who all dress alike like army men. you know it is a problem for many viewers because they always put name cards for viewers! hahahha... but those name cards are often not subtitled and so it makes it difficult for me... and funnily enough, this sounded like an sageuk version of the reply series where folks spent loads of hours and energy debating and guessing who would be the husband and then getting frustrated with each other. and then there is the original version -- I tried to watch it but for whatever reason, was bored and dropped it. was aware of the synopsis and always found it meh. so am sure that when you watch it, you feel her love for 4th prince but the synopsis basically made it sound like 4th prince was her second choice -- you know, she didn't get the guy she actually wanted, the 8th prince, and so settled for the guy who did want her to make her life easier. basically, mr. right now instead of mr. right and that is just tragic whether it is real life or dramas. I mean, who wants an OTP where the gal settles because she couldn't get what she actually wanted?

but the recaps of the last two episodes was interesting that it made me check it out and I feel good enough to keep watching -- wangsu won't be her second choice, the leftovers in the fridge, but instead, be her first choice, the pick one makes in restaurant because thats what you are hungry for... while thinking about haesoo, wangsu and wook, was reminded of that old 80s movie "some kind of wonderful" -- have folks seen it? it follows a typical teen romance setup but is still ultimately interesting. so like most teen romances, the lead is in love with someone who is conventionally pretty and fits the norms for popular. but as the lead gets to know the object of his/her choice, they are hit from the left field with an unexpected dish -- it doesn't fit their preconceived notions and neither is it conventionally pretty. so the lead resists and keeps steering towards his/her object of affection. then there is a point where they realize that the object of affection fails the mark for what they actually need and want and can admit that this left field ball person is who gets their heart beating and fits with their heart. they also find that they can never be themselves and happy they are with the object of affection, whereas there is freedom to be themselves with the left field ball person because the connection is not based on typical attraction..

so haesoo's trajectory seems to follow a typical teen romance setup in that way. wook is conventionally emotionally pretty. from what I have seen in the beginning, he seems to say and do the right things. whereas, wangsu in comparison is not pretty emotionally either. he lashes out like a wounded animal who is trying to defend itself. but yet, there is an instant connection with the two -- haesoo herself is out of the box for her time. she does not react like the original haesoo would. so just as haesoo is an outsider, so is wangsu. and what I found interesting is that when wangsu is mad at her for the whole not-being-able-to-find-assassin mess, she responds with tears that she wants to live. and if he wasn't going to help (he told the assassin to go ahead and kill her), then she had to help herself. he wasn't going to do it for her, was he? and whats wrong with wanting to live? -- that is her question and is also wangsu's. just like her, he wants to live and be accepted but since no one is going to do it for him, he is forced to push, shove, and aggressively do whatever to survive. so on a very basic level, they get each other. whereas, for wook, haesoo will always be a mystery and she will have to shed her modernism in order to fit -- one of the recap comments mentioned that haesoo was not reacting like a modern woman. well yea, thats a result of her association with wook -- she cant' be herself. now, with wook out of the picture, hope we see the real modern haesoon again and see her build a relationship with wangsu and not fall into one because no one is there and she is lonely. if she chooses wangsu like fridge leftovers, then this drama is highly stupid! 

[Gabi Bros]

14 minutes ago, UnniSarah said:

Chingu @Gabi Bros... That man has no right to even dare to tell Hae Soo he missed her. I'm like WTF I see husband problem. He tells his brother he won't dare go against the King but he mad when she returns his bracelet. He is just so darn irritating in my eyes.  I agree he should stop chingu and let Hae Soo go since he can't protect her. 

And more taking in consideration that Hae Soo would have been hanged if 4th didn't arrive to make some time (8th was not there)...Ji Mong was kind of late. When 8th prince decided to protect YeonHwa (even knowing she is guilty) and his family, he decided to let Hae Soo die.  

[syeramy]

I hope, SBS will keep their momentum by adding more scene when they do their editing. Because, more scene, more merrier.  

[penelop3]

 

Happy Sunday everyone!

Like IU said in the interview, let's brace ourselves with the journey of WS and HS's intense love in the next episodes!