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This might help some of your questions regarding lady SG and the King relationship

I was asking about lady SG also previously and someone reply on my inquiry (I'm sorry I forgot who and I lost track on the post also...been searching it but seems I missed it...bian). 

I got this desc from page 1 

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Lady SG and King Taejo was once a lover, and she being hard on HS because she knew princes are close with her and she had special connection with some of them too. I didn't know whether lady SG know about HS and Wook or HS and So. But knowing that HS path to be married with one of the throne keeper it is impossible as she is experienced it herself. To have her self near king Taejo and stay with him she sacrifice herself staying at the Damiwon, and she know it hard, so she doesn't want HS end up like her.

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28 minutes ago, LyraYoo said:

 

I interpret hae soo's as revelation more than a premonition or a vision as if she has superpower. Go Ha Jin knows about Gwanjong but she doesn't know exactly who among those princes who  Gwang Jong is (because it is a post humous name to be given after the king dies) .

In reality, we only see photos /images of kings/emperors /royalties but we don't exactly know their physical/actual appearance. 

Also , she had wondered between the two (episode 6 ) but she could her judgment didnt come easily because she did not base the personality of one person to gauge who the terror king is. I think she never thought about Gwanjong as the 4th prince either. I like how inadequate her history lesson is, making her character closer to reality. I for one can not memorize a complete set of historical facts without digging the books. :sweatingbullets:

 

Gwangjong is one of the well known king/emperor. he isn't as well known as Sejong the Great, but still well known enough. and she doesn't need physical appearance. she just needs to know which prince becomes the emperor.

i don't like the fact that the drama didn't let her catch on. she didn't even think hard enough to guess who might be Gwangjong. if she guessed like i said. oldest to youngest. and she already knows he's 4th emperor. then it's easy guess. it most likely be either prince So or prince Wook. and in guessing, it's not weird to think about their personality, because she remembers that 4th emperor was known to be cruel. and it's normal for her to conclude that it might be 4th prince So. 

there is easy way for her to remember who is 4th prince, even if she might not be 100% sure about it.

i just didn't like how she suddenly knows that it's 4th prince who becomes 4th emperor out of the blue.

 

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My blood is still boiling since last nite..the different version of ep.8 really making me pissed off with SBS...

I guess SBS has decided to edit all episodes last minute...either they didnt give the edited version to One channel or One channel has no time to edit the subtitles as they had already subbed the old version with a few languages for the drama and One decided to air the old version as they assumed no much changes were made in those episodes..damnn you SBS! :angry:

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Questions:

  1. If Hae Soo's clan is powerful enough for her to marry King Taejo, why the comments about Hae Soo not having enough rank to marry one of the princes?  Wouldn't an alliance with her powerful clan be enough for a Prince if it was good enough for a King?  Just because Hae Soo is in the palace, that doesn't mean she is no longer a member of the Hae clan.  Or was her clan destroyed and I somehow missed that part?
  2. The Crown Prince says that he left her a necklace as thanks for her help (scene with Jimong before CP goes off to deal with bandits) -- I wonder if the necklace will be significant and used against Hae Soo later?
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1 hour ago, Immortal_Angel said:

 

I agree that maybe when Hae Soo pushed Wang So away cause she figured who he will be in the future, his evil queen mother would have some input in his mind and saying something like "I did that out of love to make sure you become who you are. I want to make sure you become the man you need to be" She's gonna either:

a) figure a way to get rid of Wang So cause she feels he's now a huge threat toward her puppet Wang Yo who will lose his chance out to become crown prince or king. What better way to get rid of Wang So than to attack what he cares for and the other princes favorite girl --> Hae Soo

b. She can dump Wang Yo since he now isn't being favorite and go to Wang So since he is a strong candidate and is hungry for somebody to love him like what you mention chingu @UnniSarah, if his mommy is in the picture n we seen how he wants her to love him, would he turn into another puppet for her to use in her ambition or will he pretend to listen to her and play along till he gets what he wants and show his true face and say to her "it was you who created who i am today. you gave me a scar that i cannot erase forever and now you get to see what you created can do." and what's when his cruelity started.

But from the looks of it, she probably will still use Wang Yo for since she did spend too much of her precious time on him she is gonna figure a way since in history it was Crown Prince Mu then Wang Yo as king. 

As for Hae Soo getting this premonition, I feel like its a side effect from the time travel like they are giving it to her cause she's destined to be back in the time period to make sure history take place. Hae Soo knows that she cannot change history so she probably will try to change something like what RuoXi did and it caused history to actually fall into its place as it is. Probably without her some aspect wouldn't happen if it wasn't pushed in the right direction. I believe the astronomer had a hand in her time travel and he knows she is fated to help 4th become who he is in his future. 

As for his later future why he became who he is, I feel like the struggle to the throne wasn't easy and that it was bloody as it shown in Hae Soo premonition but also probably Hae Soo left him in which turned him cold again like what happen to Ruo Xi 

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In the cversion, 4th pushed Ruoxi away cause she told him she was the cause of 13th imprisonment and 8th setting things against 4th. and 8th went to sort of help Ruoxi leave the palace by telling 4th about their love story and promises, etc and when Ruoxi died it changed 4th. 

 

Both are good kings in their future but to get where they are at, they had to do what is needed to be done, cruel against those against them in order to keep the balance. I feel like when 4th change, Hae Soo will still love him no matter what cause he is still 4th in her heart and that won't change. 

Well said chingu @Immortal_Angel Exactly they were good kings and just because he ruled iwth an Iron Fist doesn't mean he was a bad king. I believe everything he did was for the good of the people. I too think JM had a hand in bringing Hae Soo from the future. What annoys me is that Hae Soo doesn't know what her hearts want . When she smiles at him is not the same as she looks at Wang WOok. No matter what he does she will still love him because she will fall real hard for him. I think their love is one in a lifetime, soulmates bound to meet over and over. The amount of times Hae Soo and Wang So have bumped into each other feels like FATE is trying real hard to bring them together. 

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7 minutes ago, merrylass said:

Questions:

  1. If Hae Soo's clan is powerful enough for her to marry King Taejo, why the comments about Hae Soo not having enough rank to marry one of the princes?  Wouldn't an alliance with her powerful clan be enough for a Prince if it was good enough for a King?  Just because Hae Soo is in the palace, that doesn't mean she is no longer a member of the Hae clan.  Or was her clan destroyed and I somehow missed that part?
  2. The Crown Prince says that he left her a necklace as thanks for her help (scene with Jimong before CP goes off to deal with bandits) -- I wonder if the necklace will be significant and used against Hae Soo later?

Hae Soo's clan is no longer powerful. King Taejo only tried to marry her because Hae clan defends the part of the land that is threatened, so he wants to make sure to make Hae clan happy by marrying one of Hae clan. Hae Soo herself is no longer good for prince because she's now just a palace lady which is low rank. remember that, Hae Soo, a lady, was PUNISHED to become a palace lady. 

i guess crown prince's necklace can either help or make trouble for Hae Soo. or it could play no part. but most likely it plays something important since crown prince specifically mentioned it. 

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I think the recorded drama being sold and the buyer can edit as they liked... SBS want to follow but the viewer don't like it so they re-edit.

I always think the director is really good because this drama is really good. the best episode so far.... I am sure the next episodes and rest will be best... 

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Wang So and Hae Soo
I have really loved their dynamics.  I hope nothing much would change.

WS courageous front hiding his hurt and vulnerability.  He is amazed with this  slip of a girl, who has spunk and answers back at him.  :lol:
Who has such wisdom for a young girl and she does speak her mind quite freely.  
He never met someone like her in all of Goryeo    (how could he, she's from the future).

I like HS like that, unafraid, outspoken. Not the frightened HS upon realizing who WS will become. 
She is so determined, she can try to encourage him to be the best, wise, kind-hearted ruler that he can be.

Because a bad wicked tyrant does not ever deserve the love, and loyalty of HS.
 

Creative License to History

This is a disclaimer that appears on the start of each episode, right?
So okey they can make WS that King...but hopefully they would not depict that part of his life where he would kill his brothers? For real... I can see him fight it out with WY or to WW even for obvious reasons,....but to the adorable Eun, Baek -ah, and Jung...  
HOW COULD HE ?????  :angry:

Girl from the Future

It was posted before.....would WS know the truth about HS ? Cause eventually she had to go back. ( I bet Ha-Jin is lying in a coma after drowning in that lake)
He might ...if she tells him... But the question is, living in that century ...would he be able to comprehend it?  
:blink: it could be mind-boggling for him.
Unless the astronomer (whom is highly suspcious in having Ha-Jin transported to Goryeo) make him understand something like that.

 

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3 hours ago, Dominique Lola said:

What I loved about the make up scene, was that when Wang So opened his eyes after Hae Soo was done, he barely even looked in the mirror. His eyes just lifted up to gaze upon her face. AAAAHHHH


I noticed that too... Precious detail. 

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15 hours ago, sarasona said:

Hmmm that enlightening. But  what I meant was not every female can become what they want... ony those women in the higher class can enjoy but whne you comaore it to the men, its nothing.

Actually commoners had a lot more freedom in Goryeo -- women in the noble or royal families had a lot of "social" rules they were required to follow.  Strict rules of behaviour and clear delineations between classes and genders as well as rules against marriage BETWEEN classes did NOT occur until Joseon dynasty and the adoption of Confucianism.

5 minutes ago, surinyusof said:

hai....

i'm get confused who is King  Gwangjong ?????

plz someone explain to me....

 

4th Prince Wang So becomes King Gwangjong, the 4th King of Goryeo

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When WW and HS were talking in the cave near the bathhouse, the scene where HS said " The 4th prince told me...there is no place in Goryeo where the King's power cannot reach ..etc"., sounded like a foreboding. It's like WW got this idea that being the king is really all-powerful, and at the same time, for WS, it was like a premonition that he could keep HS in the palm of his hands always if he were king.

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3 minutes ago, surinyusof said:

hai....

i'm get confused who is King  Gwangjong ?????

plz someone explain to me....

 

 Gwang Jong is Wang So. He wouls be a great emperor followed by the Crown Prince and other princes 

so many things that hasn't been said in episode 8 but i hope the preview would be misleading because i am afraid it's gonna be a long way for our otp

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47 minutes ago, tessieroo said:

It's become like a treasure hunt every Mon/Tues to find the correct subs for the SBS version. :lol: Thanks to everyone here for providing subs, information, videos, photos, etc. 

YES! that's one of the reasons i joined soompi was because it's the only place I seem to find answers and insights. I really appreciate what everyone posts. You guys are seriously amazing fans! I'm so inspired by the dedication and analysis here. Speaking of subs, I noticed a scene missing from the subbed version of the international edition that I was really interested in. It was right after Lady Oh saves Hae Soo from the queen like 22 minutes in. Wang So goes to talk to his mother about what he saw and they seem to argue? I know it's not as important as the almost kiss scene but has anybody seen a translation or a video of it floating on the internet? If so can you post it or PM me? I'm really dying to know more. Was their conversation about Hae Soo, Lady Oh or something else?

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When did the Hae clan become powerless?  Hae Soo may have been punished by being made a court lady but did not lose her clan affiliations -- even Jimong noted that as a court lady, Hae Soo would still retain her higher rank due to her (clan's) status.

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1 hour ago, uuugogirl said:

 

I know i sound like a selfish fan girl but i hope they will let Haesoo completely out of the picture before YH gives birth to So's eldest son. I always have a bias towards these cases in drama, if they determine to go to the tragic trajectory, please just let the hero suffers all by himself and leave my poor heroine alone :sweatingbullets:
I even have a wild idea that after Haesoo takes So's virginity, she gets pregnant, but unlike Ruoxi who had a miscariage, this time Soo can make it and gives birth to So's first son, but unfortunately she dies in child birth due to pregnancy stress (and to fullfil the tragic ending from the novel if the production team want), then So forces YH to adopt the baby as her first born child and take care of Soo-So's son (okay lol now i sound like an evil writer :joy: but the relationship between YH and So isn't a big deal, in the drama Shine or Go Crazy they even made YH and Wang So's relationship worse than this, there weren't love or respect between those two in the first place). And back in the SK 2016, Haesoo wakes up from her coma and meets So's reincarnate or even So's time travel soul :rolleyes:

 

At least in the early version of the synopsis,

Spoiler

the drama was planned to show until Gwangjong is 30. His first son is born when he's 31, so it will probably be left out.

 

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Gwangjong was a great king though he did kill some of his family and A LOT OF other suspicious clans and opposite factions to strength throne's power.

he was known to rule in terror (rule by being scary/tyrant). that's why he was known to be cruel.

but he did free slaves that have noble bloodline. and he was first to make exams that grant ranks jobs based on skills. 

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