[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

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This might help some of your questions regarding lady SG and the King relationship

I was asking about lady SG also previously and someone reply on my inquiry (I'm sorry I forgot who and I lost track on the post also...been searching it but seems I missed it...bian). 

I got this desc from page 1 

Lady SG and King Taejo was once a lover, and she being hard on HS because she knew princes are close with her and she had special connection with some of them too. I didn't know whether lady SG know about HS and Wook or HS and So. But knowing that HS path to be married with one of the throne keeper it is impossible as she is experienced it herself. To have her self near king Taejo and stay with him she sacrifice herself staying at the Damiwon, and she know it hard, so she doesn't want HS end up like her.

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28 minutes ago, LyraYoo said:

 

I interpret hae soo's as revelation more than a premonition or a vision as if she has superpower. Go Ha Jin knows about Gwanjong but she doesn't know exactly who among those princes who  Gwang Jong is (because it is a post humous name to be given after the king dies) .

In reality, we only see photos /images of kings/emperors /royalties but we don't exactly know their physical/actual appearance. 

Also , she had wondered between the two (episode 6 ) but she could her judgment didnt come easily because she did not base the personality of one person to gauge who the terror king is. I think she never thought about Gwanjong as the 4th prince either. I like how inadequate her history lesson is, making her character closer to reality. I for one can not memorize a complete set of historical facts without digging the books. 

 

Gwangjong is one of the well known king/emperor. he isn't as well known as Sejong the Great, but still well known enough. and she doesn't need physical appearance. she just needs to know which prince becomes the emperor.

i don't like the fact that the drama didn't let her catch on. she didn't even think hard enough to guess who might be Gwangjong. if she guessed like i said. oldest to youngest. and she already knows he's 4th emperor. then it's easy guess. it most likely be either prince So or prince Wook. and in guessing, it's not weird to think about their personality, because she remembers that 4th emperor was known to be cruel. and it's normal for her to conclude that it might be 4th prince So. 

there is easy way for her to remember who is 4th prince, even if she might not be 100% sure about it.

i just didn't like how she suddenly knows that it's 4th prince who becomes 4th emperor out of the blue.

 

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My blood is still boiling since last nite..the different version of ep.8 really making me pissed off with SBS...

I guess SBS has decided to edit all episodes last minute...either they didnt give the edited version to One channel or One channel has no time to edit the subtitles as they had already subbed the old version with a few languages for the drama and One decided to air the old version as they assumed no much changes were made in those episodes..damnn you SBS! 

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THE KINGMAKER

September 19, 2016

Soo unwittingly becomes a kingmaker, with the help of BB cream, no less. This episode properly set up So’s unwavering ambition to become king. His scar covered, his fate sealed by the heavens, the discarded, unloved prince has tasted what it is like to be loved and respected by others…so heaven help those who stand in between he and the throne, including Soo. Its the height of irony that she healing him both physically and emotionally may have turned him from a fabled monster into a real monster…Best episode so far.

YES – there are different versions floating around again. I have watched both and at the top of my head, the non-domestic version is missing/featuring different aspects of the following scenes: So having a chat with his mom after Lady Oh saves Soo; Yo’s chat with his mom after So runs away from the rain ceremony; Soo making BB cream in her room; Soo telling So that the scar isn’t important to her as much as whether he is a good person; AND the important scene where So announces to Soo that he will never let go and almost kisses her. WHAT???? I don’t get why SBS would cut THAT scene out when it is gosh-darned swoony and important to set Soo-So shippers on fire. I didn’t cover the sweet scenes between Soo and Wook, and some others, because if I’m going to attempt to review this drama regularly, I would be focusing on So’s tumultuous fight and journey to the throne.

Soo goes after So, and he whirls upon her angrily, ordering her to look at him properly. She does and he snaps that he hates the look in her eyes. Soo is confused and So thinks she thinks he is pathetic and pities him. He warns her to stay out of his sight – he cannot guarantee what he’ll do to her the next time he sees her. OMO. LJK…so glorious in anger and vulnerability.

Spoiler

So broods later that night and the adorable Baek Ah visits him in his ivory tower. The younger prince apologises for not being able to help his hyung earlier and So chides him for not looking at him when he took off his mask. Baek Ah replies bashfully that he thought So did not want him to see his scar so he didn’t look his way. So muses the that human heart is fickle – he was angry at those who looked at him and those who didn’t. With a tiny indulgent smile, he gently tells Baek Ah to look at him in the eye at all times – that is what he wants his little bro to do. Touched and relieved his beloved hyung isn’t mad at him, Baek Ah happily agrees to do just that. AWWWWWWWWWWWWW. This bromance tops EVERYTHING – and I mean everything.

Wook’s mom has tea with the princes, and Soo is there to serve the favourite tea of each prince to their delight. Baek Ah has a knowing smirk on his cutie face (What can I do? I love Joo Hyukie!) as Soo serves So his tea…to which he curtly declines, saying that now isn’t the time to enjoy the pleasure of sipping tea when the country is plunged in a middle of a drought. Wook’s mom agrees. Ohhh… all the princes are dressed in pastel and silver except So. Interesting metaphor to show that though he is now living in the palace with his brothers, he is still considered an outcast. I love dark colours so I’ll just add that So has great taste in fashion. Heh.

Later, Soo bickers with Baek Ah, demanding to know whether he got his information right – So likes naewon tea and sweet snacks right????? It was the tea she tried to serve him earlier. Haha. Baek Ah grumbles that he’s sure and he made sure to ask ALL the princes their favourites in order to dispel suspicion that he was fishing only for info on So. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Soo wonders why So is still so angry with her when she has been trying her best to appease him. Hehehe. I wonder what else she did. Baek Ah retorts she should just ask So himself what she can do to appease his anger. HEH. Baek Ah is equally confounded since So readily made up with the other princes…and wonders out aloud whether So likes… Soo? He pretends to flirt with Soo in front of the other palace maids, muttering this is her punishment for failing to appease So.

Soo treats the Crown Prince secretly and runs into So. They don’t exchange words: Soo averts her gaze while So stares after her, looking a tad guilty. Soo gets into trouble with Yo’s mom and Lady Oh saves her using pure wits and guts. Second to the bromance between So and Baek Ah, I love the womance between Soo and Lady Oh. Lady Oh is furious at Soo for treating the Crown Prince in private and slaps her for her disobedience. Soo riles that she doesn’t get why Lady Oh is so strict with her and Lady Oh bursts out that the younger woman reminds her of herself – someone who trusts people easily, causes trouble and is fearless. She states that like her, Soo shouldn’t be in the palace and fears for her life. Awwwwww…. Lady Oh faints in pain (she has a stomach ailment) and Soo looks after her. Soo assures her she can be careful like Lady Oh and survive in the palace. She cutely adds that Lady Oh can depend on her too where needed. Goodness. Love these two, too.

Meanwhile, So warns his mother it ain’t a good idea to be on bad terms with Lady Oh.

The king prays for rain to no avail so Ji Mong suggests they do a ballot and select a prince to pray in his stead. All the princes throw their lot and the more cowardly ones blanch when they find out that if you get chosen and it doesn’t rain when you pray, you’ll be executed. But So dryly points out that prayers don’t bring the rain – you just have to pray until it rains. Yep. Life outside the palace has sharpened his intellect and develop him some good old useful common sense.

So’s name gets drawn and the king instructs him to lead the rain ceremony. So is stunned and later asks Ji Mong why they (he and the king) picked him – so it is rigged. Ji Mong denies the fact but So is obviously not convinced.The day arrives and So is paraded through the streets, wearing his ceremonial garb. But once the citizens see that is the cursed 4th Prince, they ridicule him and throw rocks at him. Ouch. So literally has a mental breakdown, and the citizens follow him to the palace gates, hurling insults and rocks at him. When So sees everyone from his parents, his brothers, the ministers and the servants staring at him, he runs away like a scared, little boy. Yo and evil mom revels in So’s disgrace. I do not get this mother. Baek Ah attempts to run after So but Jung stops him. GAH. I love Baek Ah for loving So.

Yo and his mom are stumped that the king and Ji Mong are letting So lead the ceremony – evil mom knows the ballot is rigged. She explains to Yo that it isn’t heavens that control the people, but the opposite. She goes on to state that it isn’t the prayers that bring the rain, but the person just has to pray until it rains. Yo is unsettled that So and Mom are uncanny in their thinking. It’s rattles him a little knowing So is more like their mom than he is. I’m not surprised that So inherited his cunning, ruthlessness and intelligence from his mom. It’s ironic and it’s a slap to her face if she knew.

So goes into hiding but Soo finds him snoozing in a boat by the river. She loses her balance while getting on the boat and lands next to So. They have a moment before Soo informs him everyone is worried about him. She comforts him, saying that people would forget what happened. So muses whether she knows why she was born and she replies she doesn’t but she does know that whether she is born rich or poor, she has the power to live her life the way she wants it to be. That seems to stir something in So.

Soo can’t sleep that night and grouses that it is all so So’s fault for asking her why she was born. She springs out of bed and starts to make… BB cream??? HAHAHAHAHA. Okay. I know it’s to cover So’s scar but still it tickles me it is the famous Korean BB cream.

Ji Mong is unsuccessful in persuading So to lead the rain ceremony again. The Crown Prince is late in rushing back to take So’s place (since Yo bribed bandits to waylay his journey back to the palace). So refuses and Ji Mong airs his disappointment that So is giving up so easily. He tells the prince he is too fixated on his scar to achieve anything. That seems to rile So and he grabs his ceremonial garb.

Just then, Soo appears with her magic BB cream and requests So to let her take off his mask. He lets her and she pins his fringe to the side, allowing her – and US – to finally see a two-eyed Lee Jun Ki and get a clear view of the view. It runs from under his left ear, up his nose, straight through the middle of his forehead and into his hairline. Some may think the scar is nothing but imagine a little boy carrying this scar (which I would think hurt like crazy when it was being stitched and probably took ages to heal) and my heart breaks.

So is practically bristling with insecurity as Soo traces his scar with care. So catches her hand and asks defensively whether she feels pity for him because of his scarred face. Soo smiles and replies she can’t pity someone who keeps threatening to kill her. Soo says that the scar isn’t important to her as much as whether he is a good person. That seems to settle So and he lets her touch his scar again. Soo opines the scar isn’t any bigger than her hand yet is inhibiting So from living a full life, which is unfair. So gives a tiny smile at that.

So: Can I really trust you? I’m always curious and suspicious whether I should.

Soo: Previously, I always trust people and always get betrayed in return. So I understand how difficult it is to trust someone. So I won’t ever change. If you trust me, I won’t change. I promise.

So: Since it’s you, I think I can leave myself in your hands. Do what you want with me because at this moment, I am yours. (Someone catch me as I SWOON dead away!!!!)

So stares at Soo hard – I’m dying at LJK’s expression…with two eyes now so it’s double the effect. She is obviously affected by his words (Who the hell wouldn’t be????). So close his eyes, trusting her. Soo takes a deep breath and gets to work.

Meanwhile, the Crown Prince is no where to be seen and Yo is selected to lead the ceremony since he is next in line to the throne. Soo dabs on the BB cream and when So opens his eyes, they gaze at each other. When Soo is all done, So’s scar is barely visible.

The drum sounds and it’s time for So to leave. Soo hurries him but he pulls her close to him and we get to ogle and admire the perfect symmetry of LJK’s pretty mien.

So: Do you remember? I once said you are mine. Then, now, the moment you touched my face, I decided I wanted you to become my person [mine]. Take your time to accept this [in your heart]. I’m definitely not going to let you go.

SWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON. Be it his voice, his tone, his beauty, the expression in his eyes…. LKJ is killer here. So leans to kiss Soo but when he sees she is shocked senseless and motionless, he gallantly lets her be and swaggers away. OMOMOMOMOMO…. I don’t think I ever swooned so seriously in a looooong time. Maybe since Faith. Soo grabs on to the jade bracelet Wook gave her desperately as she tries to calm her racing heart.

Yo is just about to hop onto the sedan chair when So appears, wearing his mask. When So claims he is going to lead the ceremony, Yo slaps him and the mask falls off. Yo is stunned to see that So’s scar has disappeared. So confidently climbs on and starts down the streets again. The citizens are shocked to see it’s him again but when they discover his scar is gone, they switch gears and begin to worship and pay respect to him. So absorbs this newfound adoration with greedy eagerness and continues the ritual with confidence. The seed of ambition has been planted. You can see it in So’s eyes as he takes in the citizens bowing and praying to him in earnest. He feels the first stirring of power.

He marches into the palace grounds, with the people trailing him faithfully. Everyone is surprised to see his scar has gone and Wook knows it’s Soo’s doing. Awwwww…. love how happy, smug and proud Baek Ah is. So pauses in front of his mom mockingly before he proceeds.

So walks up the steps to the top of the altar. He pauses to turn around and smile at Soo. She smiles back but suddenly, she sees a vision of him robed as the king. Her smile fades and she wonders whether she is hallucinating. A raindrop falls on her.

The heavens open and rain starts to fall…and everyone savours the cool shower except Soo, who is downright trembling with fright now. So, who was equally flabbergasted at first, turns around to find Soo again. He smiles at her again, this time with cunning, and he faces forward, his jaw set, his eyes taking on a new fire of ambition and determination. You know that So has made his mind he wants the throne. Soo realises she is looking at the next king of Goryeo. Ya know…just the king who killed nearly all his brothers in order to gain the throne.

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Questions:

1. If Hae Soo's clan is powerful enough for her to marry King Taejo, why the comments about Hae Soo not having enough rank to marry one of the princes?  Wouldn't an alliance with her powerful clan be enough for a Prince if it was good enough for a King?  Just because Hae Soo is in the palace, that doesn't mean she is no longer a member of the Hae clan.  Or was her clan destroyed and I somehow missed that part?
2. The Crown Prince says that he left her a necklace as thanks for her help (scene with Jimong before CP goes off to deal with bandits) -- I wonder if the necklace will be significant and used against Hae Soo later?

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1 hour ago, Immortal_Angel said:

 

I agree that maybe when Hae Soo pushed Wang So away cause she figured who he will be in the future, his evil queen mother would have some input in his mind and saying something like "I did that out of love to make sure you become who you are. I want to make sure you become the man you need to be" She's gonna either:

a) figure a way to get rid of Wang So cause she feels he's now a huge threat toward her puppet Wang Yo who will lose his chance out to become crown prince or king. What better way to get rid of Wang So than to attack what he cares for and the other princes favorite girl --> Hae Soo

b. She can dump Wang Yo since he now isn't being favorite and go to Wang So since he is a strong candidate and is hungry for somebody to love him like what you mention chingu @UnniSarah, if his mommy is in the picture n we seen how he wants her to love him, would he turn into another puppet for her to use in her ambition or will he pretend to listen to her and play along till he gets what he wants and show his true face and say to her "it was you who created who i am today. you gave me a scar that i cannot erase forever and now you get to see what you created can do." and what's when his cruelity started.

But from the looks of it, she probably will still use Wang Yo for since she did spend too much of her precious time on him she is gonna figure a way since in history it was Crown Prince Mu then Wang Yo as king. 

As for Hae Soo getting this premonition, I feel like its a side effect from the time travel like they are giving it to her cause she's destined to be back in the time period to make sure history take place. Hae Soo knows that she cannot change history so she probably will try to change something like what RuoXi did and it caused history to actually fall into its place as it is. Probably without her some aspect wouldn't happen if it wasn't pushed in the right direction. I believe the astronomer had a hand in her time travel and he knows she is fated to help 4th become who he is in his future. 

As for his later future why he became who he is, I feel like the struggle to the throne wasn't easy and that it was bloody as it shown in Hae Soo premonition but also probably Hae Soo left him in which turned him cold again like what happen to Ruo Xi 

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In the cversion, 4th pushed Ruoxi away cause she told him she was the cause of 13th imprisonment and 8th setting things against 4th. and 8th went to sort of help Ruoxi leave the palace by telling 4th about their love story and promises, etc and when Ruoxi died it changed 4th. 

 

Both are good kings in their future but to get where they are at, they had to do what is needed to be done, cruel against those against them in order to keep the balance. I feel like when 4th change, Hae Soo will still love him no matter what cause he is still 4th in her heart and that won't change. 

Well said chingu @Immortal_Angel Exactly they were good kings and just because he ruled iwth an Iron Fist doesn't mean he was a bad king. I believe everything he did was for the good of the people. I too think JM had a hand in bringing Hae Soo from the future. What annoys me is that Hae Soo doesn't know what her hearts want . When she smiles at him is not the same as she looks at Wang WOok. No matter what he does she will still love him because she will fall real hard for him. I think their love is one in a lifetime, soulmates bound to meet over and over. The amount of times Hae Soo and Wang So have bumped into each other feels like FATE is trying real hard to bring them together. 

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7 minutes ago, merrylass said:

Questions:

1. If Hae Soo's clan is powerful enough for her to marry King Taejo, why the comments about Hae Soo not having enough rank to marry one of the princes?  Wouldn't an alliance with her powerful clan be enough for a Prince if it was good enough for a King?  Just because Hae Soo is in the palace, that doesn't mean she is no longer a member of the Hae clan.  Or was her clan destroyed and I somehow missed that part?
2. The Crown Prince says that he left her a necklace as thanks for her help (scene with Jimong before CP goes off to deal with bandits) -- I wonder if the necklace will be significant and used against Hae Soo later?

Hae Soo's clan is no longer powerful. King Taejo only tried to marry her because Hae clan defends the part of the land that is threatened, so he wants to make sure to make Hae clan happy by marrying one of Hae clan. Hae Soo herself is no longer good for prince because she's now just a palace lady which is low rank. remember that, Hae Soo, a lady, was PUNISHED to become a palace lady. 

i guess crown prince's necklace can either help or make trouble for Hae Soo. or it could play no part. but most likely it plays something important since crown prince specifically mentioned it. 

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I think the recorded drama being sold and the buyer can edit as they liked... SBS want to follow but the viewer don't like it so they re-edit.

I always think the director is really good because this drama is really good. the best episode so far.... I am sure the next episodes and rest will be best... 

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Wang So and Hae Soo
I have really loved their dynamics.  I hope nothing much would change.

WS courageous front hiding his hurt and vulnerability.  He is amazed with this  slip of a girl, who has spunk and answers back at him.  
Who has such wisdom for a young girl and she does speak her mind quite freely.  
He never met someone like her in all of Goryeo    (how could he, she's from the future).

I like HS like that, unafraid, outspoken. Not the frightened HS upon realizing who WS will become. 
She is so determined, she can try to encourage him to be the best, wise, kind-hearted ruler that he can be.

Because a bad wicked tyrant does not ever deserve the love, and loyalty of HS.
 

Creative License to History

This is a disclaimer that appears on the start of each episode, right?
So okey they can make WS that King...but hopefully they would not depict that part of his life where he would kill his brothers? For real... I can see him fight it out with WY or to WW even for obvious reasons,....but to the adorable Eun, Baek -ah, and Jung...  HOW COULD HE ?????  

Girl from the Future

It was posted before.....would WS know the truth about HS ? Cause eventually she had to go back. ( I bet Ha-Jin is lying in a coma after drowning in that lake)
He might ...if she tells him... But the question is, living in that century ...would he be able to comprehend it?   it could be mind-boggling for him.
Unless the astronomer (whom is highly suspcious in having Ha-Jin transported to Goryeo) make him understand something like that.

 

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hai....

i'm get confused who is King  Gwangjong ?????

plz someone explain to me....

 

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3 hours ago, Dominique Lola said:

What I loved about the make up scene, was that when Wang So opened his eyes after Hae Soo was done, he barely even looked in the mirror. His eyes just lifted up to gaze upon her face. AAAAHHHH

I noticed that too... Precious detail. 

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15 hours ago, sarasona said:

Hmmm that enlightening. But  what I meant was not every female can become what they want... ony those women in the higher class can enjoy but whne you comaore it to the men, its nothing.

Actually commoners had a lot more freedom in Goryeo -- women in the noble or royal families had a lot of "social" rules they were required to follow.  Strict rules of behaviour and clear delineations between classes and genders as well as rules against marriage BETWEEN classes did NOT occur until Joseon dynasty and the adoption of Confucianism.

5 minutes ago, surinyusof said:

hai....

i'm get confused who is King  Gwangjong ?????

plz someone explain to me....

 

4th Prince Wang So becomes King Gwangjong, the 4th King of Goryeo

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When WW and HS were talking in the cave near the bathhouse, the scene where HS said " The 4th prince told me...there is no place in Goryeo where the King's power cannot reach ..etc"., sounded like a foreboding. It's like WW got this idea that being the king is really all-powerful, and at the same time, for WS, it was like a premonition that he could keep HS in the palm of his hands always if he were king.

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3 minutes ago, surinyusof said:

hai....

i'm get confused who is King  Gwangjong ?????

plz someone explain to me....

 

 Gwang Jong is Wang So. He wouls be a great emperor followed by the Crown Prince and other princes 

so many things that hasn't been said in episode 8 but i hope the preview would be misleading because i am afraid it's gonna be a long way for our otp

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Can someone please tell me where I can find soft subs for ep 8, SBS version?  Just PM me, thank you.

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47 minutes ago, tessieroo said:

It's become like a treasure hunt every Mon/Tues to find the correct subs for the SBS version.  Thanks to everyone here for providing subs, information, videos, photos, etc. 

YES! that's one of the reasons i joined soompi was because it's the only place I seem to find answers and insights. I really appreciate what everyone posts. You guys are seriously amazing fans! I'm so inspired by the dedication and analysis here. Speaking of subs, I noticed a scene missing from the subbed version of the international edition that I was really interested in. It was right after Lady Oh saves Hae Soo from the queen like 22 minutes in. Wang So goes to talk to his mother about what he saw and they seem to argue? I know it's not as important as the almost kiss scene but has anybody seen a translation or a video of it floating on the internet? If so can you post it or PM me? I'm really dying to know more. Was their conversation about Hae Soo, Lady Oh or something else?

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When did the Hae clan become powerless?  Hae Soo may have been punished by being made a court lady but did not lose her clan affiliations -- even Jimong noted that as a court lady, Hae Soo would still retain her higher rank due to her (clan's) status.

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1 hour ago, uuugogirl said:

 

I know i sound like a selfish fan girl but i hope they will let Haesoo completely out of the picture before YH gives birth to So's eldest son. I always have a bias towards these cases in drama, if they determine to go to the tragic trajectory, please just let the hero suffers all by himself and leave my poor heroine alone
I even have a wild idea that after Haesoo takes So's virginity, she gets pregnant, but unlike Ruoxi who had a miscariage, this time Soo can make it and gives birth to So's first son, but unfortunately she dies in child birth due to pregnancy stress (and to fullfil the tragic ending from the novel if the production team want), then So forces YH to adopt the baby as her first born child and take care of Soo-So's son (okay lol now i sound like an evil writer but the relationship between YH and So isn't a big deal, in the drama Shine or Go Crazy they even made YH and Wang So's relationship worse than this, there weren't love or respect between those two in the first place). And back in the SK 2016, Haesoo wakes up from her coma and meets So's reincarnate or even So's time travel soul

 

At least in the early version of the synopsis,

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the drama was planned to show until Gwangjong is 30. His first son is born when he's 31, so it will probably be left out.

 

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Gwangjong was a great king though he did kill some of his family and A LOT OF other suspicious clans and opposite factions to strength throne's power.

he was known to rule in terror (rule by being scary/tyrant). that's why he was known to be cruel.

but he did free slaves that have noble bloodline. and he was first to make exams that grant ranks jobs based on skills. 

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The So and Soo train finally making real headway this episode and clearly the next episode