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Would anyone here be knowledgeable in Korean /Goryeo  (factual) History?

Was there really a factual proof that Gwangjong killed all his brothers? any of his brother? or any of his half-brothers?

Cause if there is no factual information - then does it mean this is the CREATIVE LICENSE TO HISTORY - that this drama has stated as disclaimer?

Meaning it is only that scriptwriting that added this ....but it is not the actual REALITY ?

 

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16 hours ago, hiluna said:

Actually I think they did a good job of showing that the makeup wasn't waterproof. At the end when his hair was wet and stuck to his face, you could see the scar showing up as the rain got heavier, almost a hint to the audience that So won't be able to hide his true self behind a mask or makeup.  I just hope they don't change his character from being at heart good to being unnecessarily cruel.:sweatingbullets:

Yes, the make up did vanished because the rain (and that what make the MLSHR make up team really good). 

22 minutes ago, MadraRua said:

Thank you for the call, make me realize less than 25 minutes to go (and I still 10 pages leave behind...)

I will continue reading the previous post after tonight ep (I hope so)

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@Adnana @40somethingahjumma  I love your posts! Well-said.

I could understand how many of us feel disappointed with HS's fear toward WS.  I was mad at HS upon seeing the preview too. I love WS so much that the possibility of him taking another rejection ain't no fun. He's been thru hell since he was just a little helpless boy and the mere potential that he would be such an amazing lover if HS just accepts his heart, is just soooo exciting. So yes, i'm deflated by this turn of events.

But then, I try to look at it again form HS's point of view. She's brought up in 21st century as a free-willed individual who's probably taught that violence is never an answer. She's made friends and even has romantic feeling to one of the brothers. Fear is a natural response, of course. We only saw a glimpse of HS's reaction at the end of episode 8 and her change of feeling toward WS may or may not continue for a long period of time. We should reserve our judgment or opinion until some lights being shed. I just hope tonight's episode will do her justice.

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6 minutes ago, berny said:

Q U E S T I O N........................

Would anyone here be knowledgeable in Korean /Goryeo  (factual) History?

Was there really a factual proof that Gwangjong killed all his brothers? any of his brother? or any of his half-brothers?

Cause if there is no factual information - then does it mean this is the CREATIVE LICENSE TO HISTORY - that this drama has stated as disclaimer?

Meaning it is only that scriptwriting that added this ....but it is not the actual REALITY

 

 

HaeSoo doesn't fully remembers Goryeo's History so that was the misleading part... the thing about Gwangjong killing his brother was not in the history itself but it looks like maybe she thought he killed his brother which is the fact in that was he drove out those powerful clans so maybe it involves those other prince's families but not directed to his brothers i think... 

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On 9/20/2016 at 2:11 PM, Yippeuni said:

 

In this picture Baek Ah not wearing the war outfit...while we also got to see a scene where So, Baek Ah and General Park entering the palace with war outfit and sword ready. 

So will there another war happen between the siblings?

 

Yes, You mean this one. Since General PArk is with him, I suspect, it happens after Eun is married to his daughter.

From my point of view, Mu and Eun are already dead but I am not sure. 

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14 minutes ago, valsava said:

So are you saying the KIng is already having thoughts in mind of changing the CP.. This could be true knowing that the Queen has already tried to kill the CP it could be that he decreed that if anything happens to the CP or him that WS be named King but being they untimely deaths and the snatching of the decree we see WS fights what is rightfully supposed to be his place.. This could also the reason WW and WY join forces.. WW may want the throne to have HS as a royal concubine..WY takes the throne for greedy mom ambitions.. I wonder when he starts to go against her ruling will she be involved in WS gettinf rid of him..

Yes....I was also once post that I think the King already preferred So for the throne. 

I was thinking bout this, when :

first : crazy eomma and Yo conversed how they amazed on So martial art (the episode when the festival ritual become a stage on threatening the crown prince and So replace Mo) Crazy eomma question from where So got that amazing skills, and someone must tought him that and it's not from the Shinju clan. And she said if JM involve on this that means the king know about it too. That is my first hint.

second : is the thing that finally assure me. when general Park come to the palace. We finally know that its him who tought So all this time and the King know that very well. And when So telling how his life was with the Kang concubine, So ask the king you know about this too right? and the king just stay silent, but the face tell he did. 

Based on that I try to conclude that the King is favorite So for the throne but the accident that crazy eomma ruined his face make So out of the league because of the scar. But the king still keeping tab on him. Sending general Park and secretly gave him order to teach So and keep it silent between them so crazy eomma won't find out and do everything behind everyone back. The king still eyeing on So in my opinion, and the rain ritual yesterday confirmed the king choices on So.

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12 minutes ago, rcalma said:

 

HaeSoo doesn't fully remembers Goryeo's History so that was the misleading part... the thing about Gwangjong killing his brother was not in the history itself but it looks like maybe she thought he killed his brother which is the fact in that was he drove out those powerful clans so maybe it involves those other prince's families but not directed to his brothers i think... 

 

That's why I was thinking how could something so very "important" and "crucial" as that just be based on her vague, uncertain recollection of what the actual History is all about.   Couldn't she have asked herself ..."am I 100% sure of what I'm accusing him of? " before she truly judge him.  she was reacting like she has memorized the history and was so certain.

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2 minutes ago, rumasa79 said:

@Adnana @40somethingahjumma  I love your posts! Well-said.

I could understand how many of us feel disappointed with HS's fear toward WS.  I was mad at HS upon seeing the preview too. I love WS so much that the possibility of him taking another rejection ain't no fun. He's been thru hell since he was just a little helpless boy and the mere potential that he would be such an amazing lover if HS just accepts his heart, is just soooo exciting. So yes, i'm deflated by this turn of events.

But then, I try to look at it again form HS's point of view. She's brought up in 21st century as a free-willed individual who's probably taught that violence is never an answer. She's made friends and even has romantic feeling to one of the brothers. Fear is a natural response, of course. We only saw a glimpse of HS's reaction at the end of episode 8 and her change of feeling toward WS may or may not continue for a long period of time. We should reserve our judgment or opinion until some lights being shed. I just hope tonight's episode will do her justice.

@rumasa79.... It was hard for me to to let go of my disappointment but we have to take in account that if she wasn't a moder woman, she would have never befriended him in the first place. Hae Soo would have treated him the same way and our WAng So would never have gottern the confidence to get over his scar that has always geld him in check. I just hope her feelings doesn't tay in limbo for to long.  bird onion headbird onion head

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3 minutes ago, berny said:

 

That's why I was thinking how could something so very "important" and "crucial" as that just be based on her vague, uncertain recollection of what the actual History is all about.   Couldn't she have asked herself ..."am I 100% sure of what I'm accusing him of? " before she truly judge him

 

we will find out the answers on that on the upcoming episodes... surely it will answers our questions.,,,, me too im eager to know what will happen to her being judgmental on WS.

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Annyeong yeorobun! I want to comment on some of the feedback provided on episode 8. There were so many great posts...in fact, I've likely missed a lot of good insights because it's truly hard to keep up now with the thread moving 24/7.  

@brielover  Thanks so very much for your post. The etymology of Go Ha Jin/Haesoo, the mythology behind the foundation that is Goryeo...all of it resonated with me and it was as if missing blocks were clicking into place. If our writer is anything like the authors I've read, then I truly believe she did consider much of this when drafting MLSHR.  Most of the symbolism is all there, and I truly do love the way that @bebebisous33 was able to connect the dots between the information you provided, and what's unfolded so far within the story. I loved this drama without knowing all of that, and I appreciate it even more after reading both of your insights and analyses.

LOL...so I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I really liked practically EVERYTHING about how the drama unfolded in episode 8. 

I'm glad that we're finally starting to see interaction between Eun (10) and Soon-duk. The latter is such a shy tomboy, but I truly find her likable. And let's face it, Eun will need a strong partner since he's lacking in so many areas. Hopefully as he falls in love with her, she'll inspire him to be more of a man. 

Am so very glad that Haesoo and Lady Oh have developed a bond because Haesoo has really needed a confidante and supporter, other than the princes, especially after becoming separated from Chae-ryung. She'll need someone who is looking out for her in the coming episodes as evil Queen Yoo attempts to use Haesoo to manipulate Wangso...and perhaps Wook as well.

Just as I'm glad Haesoo has Lady Oh, I'm equally glad that Wangso has Baek Ah (13). Haesoo and Wangso's situations are very similar in that they have very few people they can count on. It's nice to know neither are truly alone. We all know that Haesoo can count on 13, 10 and 14 among her supporters (this is in addition to CP, 8 and 4), but palace politics and decorum being what they are, Lady Oh was right that those alliances can ultimately prove to be dangerous. The exchange with Queen Yoo and Prince Yo, and the bullying that Haesoo received from the other court ladies were prime examples of that.

Just as I loved the heart wrenching scene when Haesoo did Lady Hae's makeup one last time and all of the emotions it generated, I loved the intimacy and the vulnerability displayed when Wangso allowed Haesoo to trace his scar and then cover it up. For me, HS' extremely close proximity to WS worked because it was symbolic of the bond between them drawing them closer and closer to one another. We know HS has an innate desire to help people. I think that may be part of the reason why she hasn't yet recognized that her connection with So is different from others...including Wook. 

So onto the topic of Haesoo's reactions in the last quarter of the episode. As 3rd party observers who are privy to spoilers and knowing that she is fated to be with 4, I think many of us might be a bit too harsh regarding Haesoo's reactions. When Wangso declared his feelings for her after the makeup scene, her resulting shock was understandable. Freezing, just as she did, is common. Many of us would like to think we would act differently, but in real life, many of us fail to do so. And believe me when I say there are likely a few of us on the thread who have experienced the same thing (freezing and not acting, I mean). Haesoo might be the 34 or 24 Ha Jin inside (both ages have been referenced in some of the background), but she should be about 17 or close to 18 in this scene (yes..they've suggested that amount of time has passed by). Sorry for going geeky on everyone but while her mind may be older, her body's reactions are that of her physical age, not her mental age. You can liken it to muscle memory. Your body is used to things it performs over and over again, but for anything new, the body just doesn't know how to react. For Haesoo, all she knows is that she feels comfortable with this man, thus the reason she didn't move away.

Her reaction to her revelation that 4 is Gwangjong…. Yes, I'm also one who sees her reaction as a revelation and not a premonition at all. Production is limited in their options as to how to convey revelations or recollections. Since this is a big one, I guess I can see why the director chose a dark and dramatic reveal. In regard to Haesoo's recollection of history, we've already been told she doesn't remember much. For those of us who are doing a lot of analyzing on the thread, that's actually a big clue. HER RECOLLECTION REGARDING GWANGJONG COULD BE TOTALLY WRONG. I know there are some of us who think her memory could and should be better, but we already know Haesoo’s mind works a certain way...in the same way a lot of us have different thinking patterns based on things like dominant left-brain, right-brain usage, our priorities, the rate at which each of us grasps things…or not.  This is the character the writer and director are giving us and she’s not likely to change any time soon. This is Haesoo, as she’s been represented.

I’m very much like the rest of you. I don’t want to see Wangso hurt more after all that he’s been through. But like Haesoo, he’s a flawed human being. There are moments when he acts without hesitation, and most of those moments seem to happen with Haesoo because he feels so comfortable with her. The kiss we’re about to see in episode 9 is likely forced…but force is a strong word. He kissed without asking. It happens in real life too. Since we know they’re fated (and we’ve seen ahead because of the many teasers that have been shared with us), we can rest assured that he’ll recognize he needs try a different approach with her.

And hey…if we’re going to cut Wangso some slack for the kiss, we need to cut Haesoo some slack for hurting him a little. Cause seriously…what do we expect her to do instead? Think slowly and rationally just like he did when he kissed her? She needs time just like he does as she already has a pre-existing loyalty to Wook AND she’s also under the impression that she may love him. If she didn’t push Wangso away, then she would indeed be knowingly crossing a line.

Anyway, let’s all just sit back for episode 9 and enjoy the ride. Let’s trust our characters to be like real people…to learn and grow through their experiences. Cause we already know in the end they will. They’re destined for an epic romance, and if we knew exactly what path they were taking to get there, wouldn’t it then be a bit boring for us? 

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