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I have been thinking about the flute and its powers. We know that Lee Lim and Lee Gon can both have access to the parallel world due to the flute. However, Lee Gon ages unlike his uncle which means only Lee Lim has obtained this power from the flute. Since the flute was cut in two pieces, we have to imagine that each half represent a different power: Lee Lim becomes immortal and Lee Gon must have obtained another power from the flute. And my theory is that Lee Gon can time travel but he is not aware of it. This would explain why the mysterious savior is Lee Gon. At some point, he will discover the second power of that flute. It makes sense why Lee Gon has to go back in time as Lee Lim is an immortal.
As for Lee Lim, I am suspecting that he is dedicating himself to a temple as he wants to have his own temple. Since he views himself as a God, it is quite sure that he wants people to worship him as a god. He is now even immortal as he doesn't age.
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I believe that both worlds are starting to merge because Lee Lim has sent people from one world to the other world. And this means that at some point only one world would exist and Lee Lim would rule over both worlds.
Like I had mentioned before, he has started infiltrating the palace with his supporters. I don't see the Prime Minister in a good light because her hunger for power could bring her to associate herself with Lee Lim, once she gets aware that Lee Gon will never be interested in her. And her mother is helping Lee Lim anyway.
As for Shin Jae, I have the impression that he could have come from the other world before but too young to understand his true origins. He is suffering from a trauma as he had nightmares for a long time. Maybe he witnessed his father's death and he was sent with his mother to Rep.Korea. Thus Lee Lim sent the doppelgänger family to Mon.Corea and had the mother worked for him.
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@kaqueski I have the impression that it is the other way around. He is killing these people in RepKorea in order to get rid of the "doppelgängers" and create new supporters. The guy was a gambler for example so he helped the woman to get rid of her husband. Once her husband died, she was asked to go to Mon.Corea where she would take the place of her doppelgänger. Just like he helped the woman to grant that wish and punish the three boys who mocked her son. She could be sent to Mon.Corea, where she can replace her "doppelgänger". So once he has managed to infiltrate Mon.Corea with supporters from Rep.Korea, he wants to overthrow Lee Gon and then go back to Rep.Korea, where he can saize the power as he has enough power. Since the people were killed before, they can not exist in Rep.Korea.
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I have the impression that LR is creating his supporters in RepKorea by killing people. For example he proposed the mother to grant her wish and since he did what she wanted, she became his follower. By doing so, he can later replace the doppelgänger from the other world. That way he is infiltrating MonCorea again and since the people from RepKorea look the same than in MonCorea, then nobody will notice the difference.
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34 minutes ago, celebrianna said:
@bebebisous33, I like your theory. The only thing I’m not sure about is SY dating MSH. The dude looks creepy and I can’t imagine that SY would actually date him. Maybe befriend him but I can’t imagine anything beyond that. I think it’s more that after SY was kind to MSH in the convenience store, he became obsessed with her because finally somebody treated him like a human being. The fact that he had the CCTV recording of their first meeting replaying in his shrine to SY kind of hints that it might have been where his obsession started.
@thistle, the fact that JH doesn’t have memories of HJ always made me feel that HJ must have seen him from a distance and fell for him. Maybe he used to be in the vicinity of their ballet classroom.
Maybe, I know, she could have been just a friend... but it would be far more interesting if this was not just a delusion from his side at the beginning because that's what he is in JH's mind. It would be much more interesting if his words did contain some truth about SY. An obsession can be developed after a breakup too and we already have one delusional stalker. I would prefer that MSH knew her for real and turned into an obsessed man while watching SY getting close to JH and witnessing how she was different in front of JH. This would reinforce his claim that he was the only one who loved and knew SY so well.
Just like TE's father who claims to know JH the best... based on his past relationship with JH. I would prefer if MSH shared some similarities with the professor... who treats JH as his patient and possession, just like MSH claims SY as his girlfriend and loved one.
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MY theory is the following: HJ got hurt in an accident and could no longer do ballet. Hence SY felt guilty and in order to make her happy, she decided to find HJ's first love (remember that they exchanged their diary). I guess, HJ had to do some rehab. So SY discovered him and decided to act as HJ for a while until HJ had recovered hence she mentioned things that HJ would like and would say. Maybe SY already had a boyfriend, MSH but due to her friend, she kept meeting JH which made him angry. That's why SY broke up with MSH.
Therefore it could be possible that MSH decided to meet HJ and told her what SY had done... seeing her first love. However he didn't tell her what her true intention was. She thought that SY had betrayed her. Not only she was somehow responsible for her injury but she saw that SY had even taken her first love. Thus she betrayed SY and told MSH something important ... and when SY died, HJ felt terrible. She felt really guilty. She thought, she was responsible for her death.
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credit to @briseis
What caught my attention with this symbol was not just the resemblance to the actual Korean symbol, but also to the endless loop. It is the same line that crosses over and over again. This endless loop could be a clue to the time travel. Lee Gon saved himself in the past, forced Lee Lim to travel to the parallel world. The center, where every path crosses each other could be the assassination of LG's father. While Lee Lim thinks, he is mastering his own destiny, he is actually only following what he is supposed to do. And each line from the petal represents an intervention in the time and in the parallel world, maybe each petal could symbolize a person, like f. ex. Lee Gon, JET, the white rabbit, Lee Lim, maybe Lee Lim's minion and Jo Young. If so, then this means that Lee Lim is actually predestined to lose the fight, while thinking he has become a god and can meddle in people's life.
But this is just a theory.
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5 hours ago, celebrianna said:
@bebebisous33, I also believe there are still revelations from the past to come out including why JH and HJ never met. I have an annoying thought that somehow SY’s stalker will escape prison, court or hospital but I’m really hoping the story doesn’t go that way.
@thistle, I’m hoping that both JH and HJ keep their promise to each other. I want them to stick it out and I feel they’re going to learn things about the past that they never knew until they met each other.
@Ameera Ali, the kiss was better than I expected.
I do think that MSH will escape from the hospital because the security has been quite lax so far.
I also wish that HJ keeps her promise to LJH, once she remembers...
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I don't think that the issue with the stalker MSH has been resolved. Quite the opposite. Since director Jin failed, then MSH has every reason to go after LJH and HJ. He can not let LJH love another woman, when he lost himself "his woman" SY. Furthermore, HJ will remember meeting MSH, while LJH has no idea that JH saw him. We still don't know the circumstances and in my opinion, they are important. Like I wrote before, I suspect that neither LJH nor HJ know the whole truth about SY.
Since Jin was able to meet him so easily and MSH could call LJH so easily as well, I have the feeling that MSH will leave the mental institut/prison.
I had always said that Director Jin showed a lot of sign of a stalker (his flat full with pictures of HJ reflected her obsession with her).
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The fighting scenes with CYJ were daebak!! Actually, I would love to see a new season.
I loved the way she cried too (like f. ex. on the roof in front of KEH who told her that she was his hero) or she had suppressed all her feelings. It really felt so genuine...
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5 hours ago, celebrianna said:
@bebebisous33, most murder shows I have watched, particularly Criminal Minds that focuses on the psyche of criminals, the psychopath and serial killers almost always have a sob story which frequently involved abuse. BSH’s background story is pretty common for these types of criminals except in cases where the child was actually a psychopath. It’s sad that kids endured such abuse at the hands of adults. However, I just can’t bring myself to sympathize with someone who “willfully” murder other people especially when that child is now an adult.
At some point people need to take responsibility for their wrong choices and stop hiding behind their past.
Well, he has to take responsibility for the murders, I am not questioning it at all. But JKH and Kwon have their share of responsibility too. Even JKH admitted it in the end, he did witness all the suffering but chose to close his eyes to it which I condemn. I never liked JKH and never will... Even KEH had to remind him to act as a grown-up... and this shows to me that he is still quite passive. He used religion as an excuse all this time. God will help the kids, god will answer their prayers. For me, in order to redeem himself, he should visit the kids who became devils...
And I was more referring to the first murder and not the others... Had he not witnessed the stigmata killer all this time, had he not been abused, had he not witnessed how adults would use their power or religion as an excuse for their greed, passivity, madness, had the father not proposed that deal in order to cover up his son's crime and save his own reputation, would BSH have killed someone? But once he did, he got rewarded, furthermore the serial killer never got punished... so in his eyes murder became a normality.
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At the end, CYJ is no longer wearing black clothes but white!! So she has started living for real now and for BSH, he ends up, where he was living in the first place.
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@celebrianna @Ameera Ali Yes, he made the choice but in his eyes, did he have really a choice? In my opinion not because I can not forget the speech in the beginning about power. He said that he was weak and only with power, he could protect himself. For him power meant the land. We shouldn't forget that BSH has been abused for years and neither HJ nor Kwon nor JKH who were supposed to be his family helped him. Finally, back then he was a teenager and as such not an adult!! So surrounded by adults who used power to get what they wanted (SSW used the cult and religion in order to kill, the father Kwon used his children to get more wealth, HJ used her father to get rich), BSH had internalized their way of thinking.
He followed the priest SSW but was it really his choice? We saw that BSH would punish him harshly, if he said one word wrongly... so BSH had to follow his "father". Did he like what SSW did? No, he clearly knew that this was wrong... but could he go to the police? In his eyes, not really as he had been held captive by his mother and could have died back then. No one, not even the police came for help. He knew no one outside the church and LSW was not even close to him. His loneliness was the other reason for his choice. As he had no one to rely on (not even God from the prayers), he could only rely on himself hence he came to the conclusion, he needed power to get respect and stop the abuse.
BSH's words to LHJ outlines his trauma from his childhood. He could never forget the way his mother looked at him, which explained why he was raised by SSW and father Kwon. He resented his mother and HJ acted just like his mother.
As conclusion, he had internalized the way Kwon and his family was thinking and he had been abused for so long as a child. And notice that even JKH who did nothing and was not abused had worshiped his father for so long. CYJ has realized the power of pastor Kwon, just like JKH got aware of the true nature of his father: he was a liar and manipulator.
And his behavior towards his minions underline to me his trauma and the impact of the way he was raised: he is abusive (just like SSW), he is ordering (just like SSW, HJ and Kwon), he is acting like a god savior... just like Kwon and SSW. He is greedy just like LHJ... but he is not passive like JKH who was kept at a certain distance by the others. JKH could have been BSH's father but he never acted as such. His passivity is the reason why BSH was on his own as he was the only one close to him who could have helped him.
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@ponderings I have the impression that MJ decided to cut off DS on her own, when she noticed CYJ. In my opinion, she was acting behind BSH's back but realized that it was too late for DS...
I have to say that I was wrong about JKH. He is not a bad man per se, but like I had pointed out before, he was way too passive. Even here, he complained that he was often left out and the chairman Kwon would prefer SSW and LHJ. I really loved CYJ's advice to him: "Become a protagonist of your life!" Her words outlined exactly that JKH had lived too passively all this time. And I pity even more BSH because it seems to me that no one knew what SSW did to the child BSH. He wasn't an accomplice in reality, as he was forced to follow SSW. However, I sense that BSH realized that he could manipulate SSW, hence he killed LHJ.
For me, the chairman Kwon was the real villain. He covered up for SSW's murders, he even forced BSH to kill someone, he allowed SSW to abuse BSH all these years, he allowed LHJ to be greedy... Finally, even JKH realized the true nature of his father... he couldn't believe that his father lied to him! It seems that he had idealized his father for too long and way too much. For SSW, miracle and resurrections were connected to death, even the young BSH thought, living was not worthy (full of pain) and JKH's speech contrasts so much to this belief. JKH is saying that they should enjoy life and give joy to others... For SSW, you needed to die in order to resurrect... while JKH thinks, resurrection means coming back to life: discovering life, enjoying life... JKH focuses on life, while SSW was focused on death. I hope, it is comprehensible.
I believe that JKH won't abandon BSH, even after his arrest and sentence. For me, it looked more like JKH was acting as a father who knew that he needed to stop BSH.
I hope, there is much more than BSH's sin in the last episode. We don't know why YSH and LHJ quarreled and why YSH was looking for deacon JKH. It is related to the foundation.
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Actually I pity BSH because he became like that due to the chairman and pastor Kwon. The latter raised parasites and symbiotic children. SSW was a symbiotic child, he killed as he thought that he was helping children, while LHJ was a parasite.
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My three favorite scenes so far:
- CYJ arresting DS... an incredible fighting scene.
- KEH with his friends DM and HMS and the officers
- Hwang serves as matchmaker between LSW and CYJ. LSW met him and Hwang knew that LSW called him because CYJ that's why Hwang asked her to join him to the restaurant...
They took BSH's DNA in order to see if BSH was the one who touched the card. I have the feeling that the topic of this episode was fatherhood. I watched it RAW and this time, it was much more difficult to understand. However, it really looks like the pastor Kwon knew about SSW's killing and it seems to me that BSH threatened him with this... I have the impression that the pastor Kwon asked him to kill the 8th victim with a video in exchange BSH would get something in return: power or the hotel.
I have to watch it with subtitles. I'll be sad, when this drama has ended.
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Truth and memories in "Nobody Knows"
Then in this k-drama, the writer is already pointing out through the title “Nobody knows” that it is quite impossible to find the whole truth. Sure, the title is first referring to secret. All the persons involved have a secret which is revealed one by one. CYJ was the best friend of the 8th victim of the stigmata serial killing, HMS cheated on a test, KEH had discovered the identity of his biological father etc. In other words, discovering secrets play a huge part in discovering the truth but that’s not enough. It is possible that some secret will never be unveiled hence the whole truth won’t be known. Another parameter are the memories. Thus just like in the k-drama Memorist, the writer focuses on the importance of memories too.
The teenager Ko Eun Ho fell from the rooftop of the Millenium hotel in order to escape from the minions of the villain Baek Sang Ho. Striking is that after the victim wakes up, he is suffering from amnesia and wonders how he got injured. He is actually missing one month of his life. While the mother prefers her son not remembering the past month (“she declares that missing one month of his life won’t affect his future”), the young student expresses the desire to know the truth that’s why he questions the officer Cha Young Jin and his mother (“How did I get hurt?”; “Did I tell you something strange before getting hurt?” “why won’t anyone tell me anything?”) so that at the end, CYJ gives in and tells him how he got injured. She could retrace a huge part of the events but she couldn’t tell him why his minions were really after him. As she notices the teenager’s desire to know the whole truth, she tells him this.
episode 11 Striking is that for Cha Young Jin, retracing the whole event with evidence and testimonies, it means that she will get the whole truth. However, her promise can’t never be fulfilled in reality because the detectives can never give the real thoughts and motives for a crime, especially if the culprit is very emotional or mentally unstable. They don't know what the perpetrator thought in that moment. They can only guess and make assumptions. Furthermore, when she made this, she believed that it was related to the book JKH gave to the teenager. And she knows nothing about Baek Sang Ho’s past and trauma as well. For KEH, getting his memories back is a synonym for knowing the whole truth. He is so determined to remember his lost month that he discusses the topic with his teacher.
Scene from the episode 11
The teacher LSW: “And even if you fail to remember, people around you will tell you bits and pieces of what happened and you fill up your missing memory.”
The teenager Ko Eun Ho: “But that’s not my own memory. I want to remember what happened myself. “As you can read in their conversation, the amnesiac teenager doesn’t accept the memories from the others as he perceives it as a false reconstruction of the past. He knows deep down that their memories is subjective as they only knew a part of him. Remember that he has a secret buried in his brain, besides the people close to him weren’t by his side all the time, as he was often on his own. His mother neglected him and spent time with her lover, the friend and officer was busy with her investigation, his friend DM was busy working. So the proposition from his teacher is rejected… he wants to remember himself as he believes that only with his memories he can get the whole truth.
However, KEH is wrong too. He makes the assumption that with his memories he knows the truth as he was the witness and the victim. Yet, while he was sitting in the car waiting for BSH, he never saw how the driver CDH was forced to drink some drugged water. While he was eating a piece of cake, the driver CDH was lying in the trunk of the car and later killed by BSH’s minions. They faked his suicide. When his short term amnesia disappears, he remembers that he discovered CYJ’s photo with the cellphone of SJ, the 8th victim from the stigmata killer. What caught my attention with his scene is that with this revelation, the viewers realize that they had been misled. All this time the viewers thought, they knew the whole truth as we were shown the events that took place before the fall from the hotel.
However, at the end of the episode 12, we get aware that we only saw the events from BSH and his minions’ perspective. KEH never left the 10th floor in a hurry because he had realized BSH’s mistake (“You already bought the book again!”). With these words, BSH revealed that he was the one who stole his school bag. In reality, KEH got scared because he discovered the photo of CYJ and SJ with the cellphone in the drawer of the desk. This was a clever move from the writer because it outlines one more time that nobody knows. The viewers didn’t know KEH’s memories until the end of the episode 12. Yet viewers are usually the ones who can get the whole truth because the crime is usually shown in his entirety. The scenes are not memories… the director and the writer are the one who hold the whole truth. But the reality is different: the detectives have no director by their side to show them what really happened. The only truth the police know for sure is: someone has been injured or killed. Everything else can not be considered as “reality” and “fact” but just “a reconstructed truth”, not the whole truth.
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In my opinion, someone close to LG must have told Lee Lim about the ID of JET because we know from the sypnosis that Luna is working with Lee Lim. She has no ID and no family, while she has one family and an ID in Rep. Korea. I have the impression that Lee Lim could have been the one who erased her ID and family so that she would solely rely on him and this would help Lee Gon to go to Rep. Korea. He already killed his other self in the parallel world so he is capable to do it again in Mon. Corea.
Lee Jong In is the person I suspect to betray LG. He has access to info through the court lady Noh Ok Nam. Lee Jong In has many reasons for that... if LG was to die, then his family and his son would become the next kingsline. Then he falsified the autopsy report so that Lee Lim would be declared dead. By doing so, he allows Lee Lim to move freely in Mon. Corea, while at the same time he can no longer claim for the throne. However, Lee Jong In has no idea about the flute and the powers that it contains. Lee Lim doesn't age and at some point, he will come back and claim the throne. From my point of view, Lee Lim is already starting to act in Rep. Korea.
Then since we have "doppelgänger", it means that there is another Kang Shin Jae in the parallel world which we haven't seen yet. Or we did but we are not aware of his true identity... Let me explain, the director changed the actor for the right-hand man of Lee Lim in order to underline the aging of the former, while Lee Lim had remained the same. So what if the director chose a different actor for the identity of the right-hand man as a younger self? The latter could have been asked to remain close JET and ensure that she would become an officer In other words, I have the impression that someone close to JET has been working for Lee Lim as well. But the identity of the spy is not revealed as the director won't chose the same actor for the two identities... he can ask another actor in order to show that Lee Lim intervened at different timelines.
Then the uncle lured LG in Rep. Korea for two reasons. He knew that LG would remain there for a while, once he met JET so that he could buy more time. There are greedy people around the king... the prime minister but also the counselor Lee Jong In. Being away for some time can help them to prepare something. During this time, LG is on his own and has no identity in Rep. Korea, Lee Lim can get rid of him and take back the flute. But what he didn't predict is that f. ex. Lee Gon would realize that something is wrong very quickly (he is a mathematician, an intelligent and observant man full of knowledge).
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20 hours ago, Annelle Tupas said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfxg9i66OEo
I'm starting to believe that the stalker is the doctor, cause in 0:42 mark, I know it's his voice.
Translation: So you're trying to work things with Hajin? I can't let that happen.
Please writernim, end the stalker story next week!!!
No, to me it sounded like SY's stalker Moon.
Actually, it makes sense why he would torment JH and not allow him to be with HJ. In his eyes, SY died because of JH. She got close to him and started dating him, while in reality SY was not herself the whole time. She acted as if she was HJ. Just like he was obsessed with SY, the latter was also obsessed with JH. But since JH is now showing signs that he is moving on, Moon thinks that SY's death is really painful. He lost SY, while JH is able to find a new love. Furthermore, in his eyes, this proves that JH never loved SY which is naturally twisted and crazy. It is natural to move on and find a new love...
As for HJ's actual stalker, I am also more inclined to think that Moon Chul and director Jin are both involved. For me, the last movie he did with HJ showed his obsession for HJ... He saw her as his first love.
I have come to this theory: what if SY had already set her eyes on JH, while Jin was focused on HJ? Both were aware that HJ and JH had already met once and fell in love at first sight, yet they didn't know each other's identity. JH could have identified HJ with the red shoes... SY read HJ's diary and got curious and decided to see JH. She fell in love with JH too and decided to keep him. Hence she decided to end her relationship with Moon "the convicted".
Maybe at some point, Jin and SY could have somehow worked together to ensure that HJ and JH would never meet again. However, after SY's death, HJ forgot all her past and even Jin... the latter saw it as a chance to rekindle with her and used the movie as an excuse but at some point, HJ met JH, which somehow ruined his plan to seduce HJ. But okay... That's a just a theory.
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What caught my attention is the beginning, when Lee Lim is telling the story about the powerful flute given by the Dragon King of the East Sea. During that scene, we got four important dates:
- the year 682 mentioned in the Memorabilia from the 3 Kingdoms (Silla Dynasty) related to the King Sinmum
- Then the detective mentioned that Lee Lim was born in 1951 and he is now 70 years as it is February 2020
- Also Lee Lim added that he stopped aging during the winter 1994.
- Finally, on the paper there is written this date 27th June 1995. I don't know what this date means.
However, when Lee Gon took the ID from his mysterious savior, on the ID it was written 2019!
I came to the conclusion that in the first scene, the Jeong Tae Eul we see is not the same than the Jeong Tae Eul at the end of the first episode. Notice how her hair look different. From my point of view, the detective back then started believing in the parallel worlds and decided to help Lee Gon (but another version). Besides, notice how the former royal is dressed... there is blood on his shirt and face. It was as if he had been caught after killing his brother.
Furthermore, we have to wonder why the Lee Lim from Rep. Korea was in a wheelchair in the first place. What if the mysterious savior (theory: Lee Gon from another dimension) decided to turn him into a handicapped so that no tragedy would happen? He thought, this would be enough, however he didn't realize that Lee Lim from Mon. Corea would travel to this time and place and replace him. In my opinion, Lee Lim killed his brother three times and not just twice like it was somehow implied (murder at the palace and the car accident).
All this seems to point out that there are three different time lines and worlds with the same persons... Since King Sinmum was mentioned right from the start, the mysterious savior could be related to him. The black man intervened in Mon. Corea in 1994 as he realized his failure (see Lee Lim as paralyzed man) because he couldn't stop the power hungry uncle.
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It looks like there is more than just one parallel world. I have the feeling that the white rabbit and the mysterious savior are the lieutnant Jung Tae Eul and the king from a different world. another possibility is that they are from a different timeline.
First, it looks like time is not flowing the same in the different worlds... and even it looks like, Lee Lim doesn't age because he is from a different world. Since he went to a parallel world, it means his time has stopped. And it is the same for Lee Gong and his arrival was announced, when time stopped for a while. And this can be very dangerous as once Lee Lim becomes a king, he would rule forever. That's why there is this in the title "eternal monarch"...
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IT looks like JKH is after the money in the end... although he asked CYJ, if he could keep something (money), CYJ replied that he could as long as it belonged to him. Hearing this, JKH said that he was pleased with her answer.... he could trust her. Nonetheless, I believe the opposite hence he decides to join BSH as he needs his help.
From my point of view, JKH knew about the abuse and it looks like JKH was somehow jealous towards his other siblings. LHJ was promoted... SSW got to raise BSH. So the jealousy could explain why he let all this happened and never intervened. The preview makes me think that BSH has never left his "family" despite his hatred and resent hence his "new family" was not a real one. This explains why DS is trying to leave BSH's side.
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@angelbeast90 I have just finished watching the last episode and one of my favorite scenes was between KTH and CYJ. The former told her why he decided to help her... If I understood it correctly. He didn't believe in his teacher but in her hence he chose to help her. He heard her conversations with KEH and felt her love and warmth for him. He even felt a little jealous of KEH that he had someone like her by his side (something similar).
I have always said that JKH shouldn't be trusted... especially the episode 13 gave us a clue.
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I can imagine that Hwang starts counseling teenagers like f. ex. at a school or at a school district.
@mrsj3n BSH killed the 8th victim in order to get power. Remember his speech about him being weak in the beginning. So the murder was his way to change his position. And notice that when he calls CYJ, he stands close to the place where the hotel Millenium will be built. So the construction is linked to the murder. Why? I don't know... I had already mentioned that I suspected that all the victims were linked to NLC and its wealth...
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At some point people need to take responsibility for their wrong choices and stop hiding behind their past.
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Since LL doesn't age, he is almost like an immortal. Notice that he is 70 years old and this has nothing to do with living in the parallel world. Lee Lim said that since he had the flute, he would no longer age. Furthermore, since people from Rep.Korea were sent to Mon.Corea and the reverse, they age like normal people.