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@angelbeast90 Maybe KEH's mother was the other girl in the picture shown by the white-haired man? Hence she must have known YHS in her childhood and had a child with him but he left her because he could woo and marry LSW's sister, the chairman's daughter...

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7 minutes ago, suckshine said:

i do believe that JH might be HJ's first love like many of you stated above. The possibility of being him as her first love might conclude in the end. i am hoping that JH might be her first love that's why both of BFF separated ways and their fate intertwined and changed. Remember when SY's funeral, HJ didn't want to bid her farewell because she felt sorry, she might have a fight with SY after the encounter of SY and JH being a couple. Unless they both were guilty each other. 

 

hi unnieeee @bebebisous33, remember me @ruzikie ???? I miss you lols, i saw your reaction and was happy to see you here unnieeeee  

hi @ruzikie !! Long time no see! Honestly, I started watching it yesterday and finished it today... right now on holidays, hence I have a little more time.

Like you, I believe that the betrayal on both sides must have been too much for HJ to deal with SY's death. However, I don't think that Ta Eun betrayed JH... but who knows?

 

I must say that TE's father is really disgusting as father and as professor. He looks down on his son but also treats LJH as monster. He shows no real empathy, he is only interested in LJH for his own research and career. The way the professor refuses that his daughter starts dating him shows that for him, LJH is not normal. 

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I believe that SY did something wrong to her best friend and LJH. Remember that HJ and SY used to exchange their diaries hence I think that HJ must have mentioned that she fell in love with JH and SY read her diary. That's why SY decided to see the person in question and fell in love with him. The result was that SY started dating JH behind her best friend's back and made sure that HJ couldn't meet JH. If she had met JH much earlier, then HJ would have realized the betrayal. 

However, HJ never discovered the truth as she never met JH. On the other hand, HJ got kidnapped by the stalker and must have been forced to reveal something about SY. That's why HJ could not face SY at her funeral... she felt responsible for her death. A detail caught my attention: at the funeral, HJ's ankle was bandaged which means she had been hurt before. And the ankle injury is a clue that she could have been held captive as well.

 

For me, the stalker is director Jin. Why? If you look at the movie he directed, it was as if the movie was talking about his first love for HJ. Then a detail caught my attention: it looks like at the end, the partner is dead and the actress is remembering the good times with her first love. It is foreshadowing something terrible. I suspect that director Jin might think like the stalker who killed SY. IT is better if she dies then that way he can keep the good memories of her with him. His house looks similar to the room where SY's stalker lived: many pictures of HJ (one entire wall) and on the side, you see HJ's face in a drama or movie. He is definitely obsessed with her and he has Chun working for him.  

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@angelbeast90 Thanks for posting the video with the new OST. I was quite looking forward for the next OST since so far I have liked every released OST from this drama which is quite seldom for me. And the new OST is also very good.

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After watching the last episode 4, I am no longer shipping SH with JunWan or someone else from the band. I came to realize that none of them were able to maintain their relationship with their respective partner because the latter were not included in this group of friends. IT was clearly shown that JungWon introduced IJ's wife to IJ because she was his friend. However,  we definitely see that the wife was not close to the three other friends. It was the same with SH's boyfriend. JunWan knew him but the boyfriend had no real interaction with the other friends. It looks to me that all the partners were never interested in getting closer to this group of friends. And here, we can see the changes: Ahn and Jang want both to know the relationship between these friends... that's why I believe that this would be great if each of them found a new love interest outside their friendship.

I read that many users were upset with Jang's behavior but honestly, I can't criticize her because it is quite important not to get too close to patients. If you get too close and too emotionally attached, then the risk to get a burn out is quite high. In reality, doctors can't get too emotional, they would be left without energy if they did. Imagine, an oncology specialist who has to announce such terrible news to his patients and gets emotional each time.... It is not healthy for the doctor. For me, JungWon's approach is not realistic... as for the abuse, I would just say that Jang's behavior showed just a lack of experience... Through JW, she is learning to question herself and others.

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@angelbeast90 It would be great if the boys (DM, HMS) started helping CYJ, especially when they see the news targeting CYJ because now she is suspected of having killed SSW.

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I hope, we will get to see a scene between HMS, KEH and DM... Imagine his surprise, when he sees that HMS and DM got close to each other.

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1 hour ago, brenda08 said:

I cannot get over that end scene. When YJ was thanking EH for jumping to survive, it broke me. YJ could not lose another close friend.  YJ has raised him well lol EH encouraged another student to do the practice jump so they know how to survive if needed. He picked up on what SH told him about buying another book instantly. 

 

I do have a question: why didn't EH run downstairs after knocking DS(?) out in the stairwell? Did he think that SH might had people already waiting for him downstairs? That's the only logic I see in him running to the roof.

In my opinion, he was closer to the roof than to the first floor that's why he didn't go downstairs. He wasn't sure how quickly BSH would realize his mistake. Then by taking the lift, BSH would have been able to wait for him on the first floor.

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1 hour ago, angelbeast90 said:

@bebebisous33 I wonder if Ko Eunho is a dangerous witness because of the NLC Blue book. In this book their are names of beneficiaries, people with funds and loans, a list of profit and non profit academies. All of which has a monetary gain. But why was the book displaced in the first place or was it deliberately hidden to protect them from the stigmata killer. BSH wants the book so that he can stop the flow of money I feel.  Also I wonder if Ko Eunho was able to figure out what all the random names were

  Reveal hidden contents

I just watched the latest  program of 7.7 Billion In Love ep 8 where they discussed how a church gets its money and how they proselytize you to the church.

 

I wonder if JKH wants to stop the church or the stigmata killer. Maybe it's the later.

But I'm 99% sure BSH wants to stop the church and it's abusive methods.

I have the same feeling. First, CYJ thinks that KEH is in danger because of BSH but I also think that KEH's life is in danger because of the stigmata killer. First there is the drawing of the angel, then maybe he could figure something out as KEH had entered CYJ's room. But right now, CYJ has put back in her mind the drawing of KEH. And let us not forget that KEH visited LSW's house. CYJ doesn't know that yet.

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@angelbeast90 Yes,  this man is definitely suspicious but maybe he destroyed the evidence about SSW who used to abuse the children. I had mentioned before that I am expecting that at least three people are involved in the stigmata-murders. Someone young killed SJ so it has to be around the same age than YCJ. The killer looked young. 

I have also the impression that many people involved with NLC and Shinsung foundation are not aware of everything which helped the perpetrators. I am quite sure that JHK doesn't know the whole story. He thinks that BSH is only after him but I think, there is someone else after him /after the book. JHK might have not discovered the whole secret.

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34 minutes ago, mrsj3n said:

So none of you think the reveal of CYJ's past to the press has got to do with Chairman Baek?

 

I don't think the white haired man is the one as he seems pretty street smart and knows how to play a game or two. I mean, after being threatened by Chairman Baek, I would have been cautious in who I'm dealing with now since being threatened with death.

 

But there are questions that have been bugging me too.

How are the victims chosen?

Are they all sad and miserable inside?

Do all of them have the angel doll?

What about her friend?

 

I need to rewatch episode 1 and see how the victims were chosen.

 

 

To me, it looks like the white-haired man used BSH... the chairman of OneLife has the power and connection to have the news released about the connection between CYJ and SJ. And don't forget that the white-haired man sold the land close to the container that could be used as a graveyard. 

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As conclusion, BSH will become the scapegoat... he will be framed with the murder of LHJ and even with the stigmata murders.  The evidence against him will be:

1. The land he bought. 
2. Don't forget that BSH is after the book and JHK and the police know this.
3. Besides, the 15 millions which LHJ invested through him will be another evidence against him.

BSH will learn a terrible lesson that no matter how powerful you are, you can get punished... especially by police and justice.

However, this won't work out BECAUSE SSW abused BSH as a child. Since SSW is definitely involved with the stigmata-murders, it can be excluded that BSH would work with his abuser. The mastermind behind this has no idea about BSH's abuse (Nobody knows). That's why I believe that the white-haired man is involved and there is another accomplice.

 

 

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BSH's mindset is really interesting because deep down he has a savior complex, even a god complex. Remember that he asked CYJ to choose between salvation and justice. He did the same with CDH, although he used a different expression: police vs. his own way. As you can see, justice and police belong together, while salvation and BSH's way are linked together. He sees himself as a god, someone who will SAVE "children" as the original god didn't save him. That's why he has a cross on his desk and as a necklace, these crosses don't represent christian belief, but his own new created belief. He sees himself as god, as no god helped him in his past. That's why I see that JHK and the other adults are the ones who created BSH, the devil. Like I had mentioned above, JHK is so passive, he keeps praying for God's help, keeps saying that KEH will be rewarded for his good deed, while in the end KEH got "punished" and people around him got hurt and killed. BSH can not imagine that he has turned himself into a devil.

 

Striking is his question about evil. Is it inherited or created by the environment? After 10 episodes, we can clearly say that BSH has been created and deep down, he has a good heart as he is dedicated to help weak persons...

 

He is totally different from JHK  who is so passive, BSH is definitely proactive, yet he is ruthless and totally biased. He has this idea that rich or powerful people are bad (look how he looked down HMS, unaware why HMS had cheated).

 

And CYJ represents the opposite of him: she chose justice and endured it on her own. Despite her trauma, she chose love without realizing it. Yes, she saves people as she sees it as her responsibility, since she failed once. But she loves them as well. BSH has rejected the idea of "love", for him only rescue matters, nothing else that's why his relationship with KTH is not so strong, like CYJ and KEH. For BSH, love and salvation can not co-exist.   

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So KEH is suffering from amnesia and for BSH it is a blessing on the surface, yet due to the preview, it looks like BSH will suffer a lot too as he will remember his traumatizing past. Maybe the fact that SSW's death is brought back to the news, BSH will hear SSW's name very often so that at the end, his trauma will resurface. And this proves in my opinion that BSH has nothing to do with the stigmata-murders. I agree with @angelbeast90 that these murders are connected to NLC's belief. The white-haired man is definitely involved. 

 

In my opinion, KEH and BSH should be perceived as a contrast... both had a similar situation but while KEH had the chance to meet CYJ who saved him, when he had given up, BSH had a different destiny.

 

I am actually wondering about JHK... Strangely, I don't like this man very much. Yes, he is a very strong believer hence I am sure that he has never committed a crime. However, I sense that his strong belief made him blind and passive. JHK told KEH that he will get rewarded for his good action as if God would suddenly give him a reward for his good action, while JHK doesn't need to repay his debt. It was as if he was waiting for God's actions which makes him passive... and the abuse must have happened right under his nose, just like the murders.

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@angelbeast90 About the land that BSH has bought from the white-haired man... I am now wondering if the murders are not related to the land or properties and someone used the murders in order to buy cheap land.

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@mrsj3n The conversation in the dining room with LSW's family is foreshadowing the doom of that family. Yesterday, LSW and his nuna were asking each other if they had to choose between two people (only one can be rescued), his noona chose her husband, while LSW wanted to save his students. And if I am not wrong, they had a similar discussion in the dining room. The daughter was asked whom she would choose: she said, her uncle...

 

Don't forget that KEH saw the angel and it was in LSW's home. That's why I am quite certain that someone there is definitely involved. The sister had it in her hand and that's where KEH saw it. From my point of view, KEH had no idea about the signification of the angel but it caught his attention. From my point of view, BSH could be caught at the end of the episode 12 but once it is revealed, CYJ will discover BSH's terrific past and CYJ will start investigating NLC.

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@angelbeast90 The last episode confirms to me that the white-haired man is involved in the stigmata-murders... notice his reaction, when he saw her name on the card. He recognized her name... And right after meeting CYJ, the news are revealing her connection to the last victim. So here is my theory:

Spoiler

The white-haired man must have called BSH and somehow told him about CYJ. Since BSH was already under pressure, he needed something to stop CYJ. He is all smiling but he doesn't realize that he is manipulated. The preview shows BSH's abuse committed by SSW. 

I wished, we had three episodes a week...

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53 minutes ago, celebrianna said:

@bebebisous33, I concur. I think it would be great if CYJ eventually moves to the youth department. She’s absolutely wonderful with the boys. Her mentor is too. That one young man who told the mentor that he wants to be a cop because of him is really another example of a kid whose life he influenced in the right direction. I just hope all three boys make it through this show alive. Every time I see BSH around DM  and sleeping EH I get worried though.
 

The chairman is another who gives me the creeps. On the other hand, while SW has contact with all these sketchy characters including his BIL, he really is oblivious to the happenings around him.  Then again, SW still has ways to go in judging the situation and characters. I hope he learns the lesson that if he wants to be a better teacher he shouldn’t jump to conclusions. Anyway, CYJ at least finds all those sketchy characters suspicious.

The thing about LSW's flaw is definitely linked to his past. It was hinted yesterday that LSW was struggling in his own childhood because the sister mentioned, he learnt Taekwondo and another fighting sport in order to protect himself. That's why I am inclined to believe that his false judgement is based on his own experience. He sees someone beaten, he jumps to the wrong conclusion as he was himself a victim of bullying. He can't help himself to think that the person is the victim. Furthermore I doubt that learning taekwondo helped him a lot. We saw his reaction when he was assaulted. He was kind of paralyzed.I have the impression that no one knows about his dark past as well. This would also explain why he is also determined to protect his students. LSW must have felt abandoned and lonely as well. I doubt that BSH is aware of that. Just like LSW, BSH is prejudiced... for him, rich people are the ones in the wrong. Deep down, he thinks, he is delivering justice. However, his minions starts threatening innocent people as well.

 

I can't really condone LSW for his mistakes. He is just a human... but the main point is that LSW is trying to learn from his mistakes and even admit them, while BSH thinks, he is in the right all the time. He "protects" his "family" but he is forgetting that he abuses them as well (see the beating of DH).  Even KTH fears him which shows that BSH has a violent disposition.  

 

@mrsj3n Well, we shouldn't judge a book based on its cover... YSH is more shady than he looks like. His small lies (to LSW, his wife etc.), seeing KEH at the hospital in secret are clues that YSH could be more dangerous. Then why doesn't JHK try to meet YSH? As for LSW, I doubt that he is the bad guy... 

I had this idea that there could be three people involved in the stigmata-murders because of Trinity. Maybe it is also connected to the land...

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@angelbeast90 For me, the best ending would be that CYJ decides to follow the same path than her mentor, to work as a detective in youth department. CYJ is acting more and more like her mentor: "Give me a call if you want to talk".

 

As for LSW, he needs to confess to her because CYJ has never paid attention to men and has no idea about it. CYJ was so obsessed with her friend's case that she isolated herself. She never had any interaction with men except for work. When her connection to SJ is revealed, I hope that LWS will rish to her side and show that he understands her pain.

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@angelbeast90 There are many reasons why I am suspecting YSH's involvement in the stigmata-murders. First, I am thinking that YSH is just like the other children (KEH, BSH etc.): he has no family except his own family (daughter and wife) and this would explain why he could enter LSW's family. Usually, the wife is the one who is entering the husband's family. Secondly, he has internalized the values from NLC. Only people with power should be respected... see the way he handled HMS's case. Giving the book to BSH represents a thread to YSH as it reveals the past...

The quarrel between LJH and YSH was about the book, she asked JHK to retrieve it as he was the only one who would be able to find it. She did it on her own accord and had intended to give it to BSH which represented a thread to him and the deceased chairman. JHK had no idea, until he found it. But JHK has no idea that it is about the chairman, he believes that BSH was the one who did it. SSW was forced to help YSH and killed the director while becoming the scapegoat of the stigmata-murders. By doing so, the case would be closed and no one would believe that YSH or the deceased chairman were involved. But at some point, the problem with the inheritance will appear again. I am not quite clear how the white-haired man fit in. Maybe he was the one who did the pastor's dirty work (cover up).  

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36 minutes ago, angelbeast90 said:

@mrsj3n For a moment there I thought Stigmata case and Eunho case was merged. So my misjudgment on that. But will the disciplinary board be on her case for failing to inform them of her relation to her friends murder for almost half of her life.

 

If she goes rogue I know one person who will go rogue with her too: that female cop Yoon Jayoung.

 

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I feel LSW and KTH is going to meet at some point due to coincidence or due to deliberateness. I feel the both of them need to talk to each other. Looked like he was going to deliberately search DM and his belongings but was stopped by an act of serendipity ,when DM met KTH previous teacher( but, I believe a teacher is always your teacher even if they are not influencing you in the present). I hope he overheard LSW and DM conversation to highlight that LSW is concerned for DM.

Now I feel KTH will ask DM more kindly and that he fears for his life and to return the recorder to him maybe.

KTH could be the one who helps CYJ to solve the problem with BSH and this will happen through LSW. Once the teacher apologizes towards KTH and shows concern to him, KTH might open up. 

Furthermore, I am suspecting that LSW could be in danger one more time... so far, he has never shown any interest towards the chairman's position but in the last episode, he clearly showed a change of mind. For the first time, LSW acted as the chairman hence YSH had to remind him that he was the one in charge. I sense that the position of the chairman is the key to solve the mystery of the stigmata-murders (that's why I wrote my theory in my last post) and it could be the case that YSH decides to get rid of LSW who represents a thread to his position.

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@mrsj3n @angelbeast90 Here are my thoughts about the stigmata-murders and BSH

 

Spoiler

 

I had this idea that the white-haired man might have set a trap for BSH and the latter is unaware of this. Why? The land that BSH is supposed to buy now... Remember that BSH had this thought to bury the old man there. What if in reality, this land is already a graveyard? What if there are already corpses there? The moment BSH buys it, if the police finds corpses there, then he might become the scapegoat as he is now the owner of that graveyard.

 

From my point of view, YSH might have been the one who murdered SJ... I have the impression that the murders were some rituals in order to find the future chairman, the future guide of NLC. However, I believe that neither LSW nor BSH nor JHK are aware of that.

 

From my point of view, BSH's dream is to destroy the chairman's dream and NLC hence he is looking for JHK who knew how to find the book as he is a true believer. In the book, there must be indications about NLC and the stigmata murders but I believe that JHK is unaware of it. Right now, JHK and BSH are enemies because they don't know each other. The white-haired man is actually playing both and the scene next to the container revealed it. BSH thought, he had the upperhand but I have the impression that the old man was actually manipulating him the whole time.

 

This episode reveals the importance of adults for teenagers and children. Because HMS had only his "uncle" CDH next to him, a bad person, HMS was influenced the wrong way and made the wrong choice (use violence in order to solve his problem). But fortunately, it was not too late for HMS and met CYJ. Now, she wants to be his friend and guide, support him so that he will feel less lonely and better. And we have KTH's case who met the wrong guy (BSH)... BSH is similar to CDH in reality. He gives comfort but also uses violence to solve his problems and KTH is aware of that hence he was scared of him. Yet, I believe that it is not too late for KTH as LSW might decide to meet KTH and apologize to him. 

 

To conclude, we have two crimes here

- BSH and his revenge: he used violence in order to achieve his goal, destroy NLC. We have to wonder how he became powerful. Where did he get the money?

- the stigmata-murders: a ritual for selecting the future chairman of Shisung foundation, where SSW/YSH and the old man are involved.

  

 

 

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So CYJ's relationship with the last victim will be revealed which means the murderer of SJ starts getting afraid that CYJ might really catch him. 

In this episode, it is clear that LSW is really interested in CYJ and I can imagine that LSW will help her the moment her past is revealed. She will be asked to keep her distance from the case.

 

The old man is definitely suspicious... To me, the stigmata murders are linked to adults, although young people might have been the perpetrators. There was SSW's DNA in three cases which means that the priest might have assist the other. 

 

And here again, we can see a glimpse of BSH's torment... he can't sleep well, he has nightmares... Nobody knows. From my point of view, he resents LSW as the latter is the real heir of Shisung Foundation. All this indicates that LSW's father, the former chairman, must have done something terrible to BSH. It was clear that BSH doesn't want the chairman's will to be fulfilled: an university f. ex. BSH is determined to destroy this. I have the impression that LSW didn't become the chairman as he had problems with his father's will. We heard from him that the moment his father died, he never went to church again. So in my opinion, something must have happened to LSW to react that way: distancing himself from the church and from the foundation. However, in this last episode, he realized that with his current position he is powerless. From my point of view, LSW must have feared that power in the past... he might have witnessed his father's abuse. Just like in BSH's case, nobody knows... all of them have a secret and nobody knows hence they are all suffering.

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@mrsj3n The way, DM's expel was resolved, was so great. CYJ had such a good chance to meet her mentor and we can see his influence on her as she has the same approach than her mentor. LEt the children talk and give comfort... no judgmental behavior.  

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The first scene in the episode 9 is terrific!! I had tears in my eyes. CYJ keeps telling HMS that it is not his fault that his "uncle"/friend died. I think, she even mentioned her friend's death but there is no guarantee.

I really love CYJ, a great character!

 

@angelbeast90 @mrsj3n I have just finished watching the last episode RAW and the ending took me by surprise!

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KEH's survival was not a miracle and not a suicide attempt! He tried to escape from the roof  and ensured that he wouldn't be too hurt by the fall!! He was escaping...

 

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@angelbeast90 Admiration and adoration are exactly the words that describe LSW's feelings for CYJ. In my opinion, only when LSW reveals the whole incident about KTH to CYJ, the teacher will feel much better for two reasons: his guilty conscience and remorse will lessen and CYJ will definitely comfort him. CYJ has lived a long time with such feelings herself (if she had answered SJ's call, if she had paid more attention to KEH...) Both can give each other comfort and lessen their guilt.