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  1. 46 minutes ago, Carmarie said:

    @bebebisous33   &  @Lalalaby Good theory.  However, I am confused when you say, "real brother" as opposed to half brother?  My grandmother had two sets of children, she was married twice, none of them act or feel as if they are not "real siblings"  Do you mean you think they have the same mother and father?  If so, I understand. 


    Is it your theory that it was DM's mother who pushed RG away? 

    Who left him at the orphanage?  According to DM's memory she was playing with someone at the orphanage. 

    Were they both,  RG and SA, at the orphanage?    Do you think that RG and SA are that close in age?   SA knows his mother, remember she came to visit him  at his apartment.  RG's think his mother left him at the orphanage and she forcefully removed his hand from hers; therefore, RG does not like letting go of anyone's hand because when he does, he feels abandoned.  It is my impression that SA and RG do not know that they are brothers.  RG was adopted by a couple in the United States, I do not think his mother knows what happened to him and that is why she was in the chapel, perhaps she continuously pray for his safety and happiness.  

    I think that much of RG's trauma comes from being separated from his mother which is why when he saw her paintings, he was traumatized he could not paint any longer.  


    However, I do not discount your theory; because we never know where the story will lead us.  Who knows, your theory might be right on all points.  

    I had the impression that DM's mother could have been working at a facility (a sort of kingergarten) taking care of children. We saw her looking at children in a flashback. Moreover, all of them were wearing knitted pullovers made by her. When Ryan says that HYT is his real name and claims that he was born in 1987, we can not be sure for a fact, if this is true. His identity could be false and he has been misled by the authority. Don't forget that RG has no memories from his past indicating that he is suffering from a trauma. Let just say that Ryan could have suffered from amnesia after witnessing a terrible accident which led him to a trauma and the police mistook him for HYT.


     @Lalalaby was right to point out that CSA was born in 1997 hence he can not have met DM and RG before. Yet, he connects the paintings to good memories and happiness, while we know that his mother LS sold them because she felt guilty. We still don't know for sure if CSA and RG are half-brothers or real brothers. Therefore I had this idea:

    Maybe CSA was adopted and met his mother through the orphanage, when she looked for her own lost child. Moreover, she might have painted there too. What the gallery did at the orphanage during this week, could have happened in the past with CSA. The thing is that LS seems to be a single mother. CSA has never mentioned his father either. Furthermore, he was happy to give toys to the orphanage. So CSA could be an adopted son... as if LS was trying to redeem herself for losing her son RG.


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  2. 9 hours ago, Lalalaby said:

    First of all, this is my first post in this forum after many years being a silent lurker here. 

    Anyway, i can’t help to write my opinion here.

    Since the black car accident in the earlier episode, i suspected DM had some trauma, and after reaching latest episode, my conclusion are:

    • DM, EG, RG, and DM lil bro we’re neighborhood’s friends 
    • RG’s mom a.k.a lee seol were too busy paintings so RG just always playing with his friends 
    • In some DM’s flashback we’ve seen her letting go lil bro hand. I guess after that happened, the lil bro got hit by some black car. Then DM erased that accident in her memory. Maybe if EG knew this, he is the hidden key of DM past. (From the earlier ep we’ve seen DM almost got hit by car two times, and her expression were different in the first time by black car and second times by white car, and one more, DM can’t drive because she’s scared)
    • DM’s mom in the 11th ep told RG that she doesn’t like DM do fangirling not because DM can’t get a bf but because she had an accident before while fangirling. I think DM’s mom had some trauma too about loosing a child because of accident.
    • And about RG abandoned scene, i guess that was DM’s mom too (hope that’s not true tho) but for adding acceptable bg story the reason she was abandoning RG that night (just my guess), that was the day DM’s lil bro had accident so she was out of her mind and just wanna rush to the hospital.
    • Last, i never thought RG was abandoned by his mom. My guess he got lost and met DM’s mom on the way her to the hospital. 


    Ok, that’s it. Thank you for reading my long ‘makjang scenario

    I also think that the woman pushing RG away is DM's mother. In my opinion, DM's mother was rushing because of an accident. LS didn't abandon RG, she was too busy with her paintings and neglected her children which explains why she decided to sell all her paintings and she stopped painting because she blamed herself for the tragedy. Since CSA seems to know all the paintings of his mother, this means, he saw her paintings as a child too. From my point of view, CSA is one of the 4 children playing: SDM, RG, EG and CSA. SDM might have been holding CSA's hand back then... and her fangirling could be connected to her unconsciousness: deep down, her brain recognized the child from her childhood. 

    Moreover, I have the impression that Heo Yoon Tae might not be his real name. Notice that DM looked for HYT's name in the missing children list and nothing happened. What if Heo yoon Tae is the real name of his brother, CSA? Many think that CSA is RG's half-brother but what if he is his real brother? My theory is that CSA was one of the children from SDM's memories. In my opinion, SDM could have been hurt in an accident, just like CSA... therefore DM's mother pushed RG away.  

    Furthermore RG doesn't really remember his past, he has even forgotten his mother's face. So he definitely had a trauma. Maybe he witnessed the car accident and felt guilty.

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  3. 6 minutes ago, lightbringer06 said:

    @ktcjdrama Lol..that slipped my mind..yeah, this is actually a fantasy drama so maybe I'll just have to believe even the unbelievable :D. I usually don't mind the flaw but it kinda bugs me in a teeny weeny way :P.


    @bebebisous33 That could be a good theory as well given if indeed Seo has feelings for SY, right?..that's what you're saying, Seo sees CM as a rival, like love rival for SY? 

    Yes, Seo had feelings for SY... it was really visible, when he took care of her in her drunk state. I have also the impression that Seo has no idea that YC killed her. The serial killer is killing people who insulted him in his eyes. SY was killed because she didn't show real respect to the doctor. Seo knew the identity of the killer... that's why he didn't want SY to be on her own alone as he knew that the killer was around, killing many women. In my opinion, Seo has misjudged the serial killer: YC can not stand being mistreated/looked down/questioned, while he thought that YC did it out of need.  I have also the impression that YC might have known something about Seo so that they came to an "agreement".

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  4. @lightbringer06 I might be wrong but I had the impression that J is not Hee Jin, rather the serial killer YC. HJ was held captive and might have found YC's cellphone. I had imagined that that when HJ called the prosecutor Seo and she asked for his help, she had found the cellphone of YC and called Seo as she knew him, as a prosecutor. My theory is that HJ had been placed by Seo so that CM would stop following SY. His plan was to get rid of his rival. He never thought that HJ would break off the engagement so suddenly hence YC kidnapped her. Right now, YC might have even misled her thinking that CM's mother is the one behind the kidnapping.

    Seo might have been afraid that the truth would be unveiled. So YC kidnapped HJ as a request of Seo... The doctor deceived her, when he mentioned her real name. Since Seo is a prosecutor, he might have discovered her true identity. Anyway, we shouldn't forget that during the night, SY got killed, the serial killer was killed as well. So YC couldn't show up at the place, Hee Jin was held captive. From my point of view, Seo introduced HJ to SY indirectly so that the latter would present HJ to CM.  

    To conclude, there must be a deal between Seo and YC: Seo has to cover up the identity of the serial killer, while YC helped him to deal with his rival CM. I also think that both persons could have experienced abyss once. 

    That's just an idea.

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  5. 9 hours ago, turtlegirl said:

    Upon re watching the beginning of episode 1 again, it seems the abyss ball was red when CM was revived. I'll keep looking for color connections. 


    Also just a side note, before departing, the 2 grim reapers/angels (SIG and JSM) tell CM something along the lines of "don't forget we brought you back to life, so you can never get mad at us" to me this implies we will see them again later in the show?

    Okay. Thanks for the observation. @stroppyse Another possibility could be that the doctor had already come back from death like with abyss once. That's why his face is no longer changing. First, he knew what was going on. He didn't seem upset. He knew how he could live.


    In my opinion, the prosecutor Seo seems to have loved Se Yeon and maybe that's the reason why he tried to comfort her, when she thought about CM's wedding. On the other hand, it also looks like he was making sure that SY would find no clue about the serial killer.

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  6. 6 minutes ago, gm4queen said:

    I love your analysis for Doctor Prisoner as always, dear @bebebisous33 chingu! Then I am with you on this one! Ms. Oh's husband must have ties with LJJ & both framed her for their own good! Then the park should be under her husband right now even though she stated that it's her dads... :D


    And what do you about NYJ's master plan to catch LJJ red-handed..???! I dunno if I am missing something here but I sense NYJ has something big in his card pack rather than a mere voice record to reach LJJ!! :o I still can't think about anything big enough to catch him!! And NYJ keeps repeating that he's gonna catch LJJ when LJJ's got nothing on his hands! What the meaning would that be..??! :mellow: Is NYJ gonna make sure LJJ loses the Teakang group 1st or what..??!


    And little did, we are at the end of the series... Now I am more curious to know how the writer's gonna wrap up bad deeds & end up bad guys in only 1 hr next week!! :) This has been a fantastic ride so far! Hence I guess the writer would give it a proper logical ending next wednesday keeping its intense pace in its place!!! :wub:

    Based on koreandrama.org we have two episodes left next week. They have changed the number of episodes, 34 episodes instead of 32. 

    Park is linked to the media that's why her ex-husband was able to manipulate the media and turn this woman into a cold-blooded "murderer". The hungtinton disease will play a big part in it. Remember that he tried to kill LJH so that the disease wouldn't be mentioned in front of the board meeting.

    LJH is not dead yet. Besides, they were about to get Ko's confession.  

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  7. 32 minutes ago, stroppyse said:

    Watched the first 2 episodes, and frankly, I'm not sure what to think. I guess that's good? I need to check to see if this is another mash up genre of romantic comedy-thriller-murder mystery? Plus, Park Bo Young is so cute, I'm not sure I'm buying all the jokes about how she isn't the most beautiful woman any more. Just as Ahn Hyo Seop is very cute, but not sure that all women would immediately fall for him.


    More mysteries: So the prosecutor took over the body of a woman she used to know? Is that woman dead? Why did the doctor's appearance not change versus the prosecutor and the heir's? And why did the grim reapers not only bring back the heir from the dead, but then allowed him to have the abyss which has the power to bring others back to life?  They haven't really clarified the rules of the abyss yet, so it's a bit confusing as to what's happening. I enjoyed the cameos by Jung So Min and Seo In Gook, though.


    I'm not sure yet whether this is a drama that I'll keep watching. So far, it's really Park Bo Young's charisma as an actress that will bring me back to continue watching for now.

    In my opinion, she is dead, since we saw the soul flying above the heir before he took the appearance of this "handsome" person.


    The prosecutor Seo Ji Wook is definitely working for the serial murderer. He has been covering up his tracks. The doctor Oh Young Chul's face hasn't changed because of the blood on his hand. I noticed that the abyss showed a different color, when Cha Min revived him: red like blood. On the other hand, the abyss ball shone bright/yellow in front of him and Go Se Yeon indicating that these persons' soul is pure. This could explain why the serial killer didn't change his face that much. 


    Besides, I believe that Se Yeon might not be the one who introduced Hee Jin to Cha Min. I have the impression that Hee Jin is connected to the prosecutor Seo Ji Wook. I also believe that Cha Min is representing someone he might have met in his past. Both persons are connected to the deceased. 

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  8. 2 minutes ago, gm4queen said:


    You've said something that wasn't in my radar, dear....


    NYJ doesn't care if LJH survive or not... He only wants the full destruction of the family!!! And Ms. Mo is acting mute but does she really aware of her son's bad deeds that she wants them to be happy & healthy..??! Then I say this, rich people are worse! 


    Yes, Ms. Oh is keep mentioning about becoming Jung's wife.. Then is she really innocent or something & she was falsely framed for murdering her husband's mistress by LJJ..???!! Then there will surely be LJJ's traces on this Ms. Oh's case as well! :huh: And is there really a pattern or something unique for LJJ's victims..???! We know NYJ's story now but how about Ms. Oh..???!! And what if Ms. Oh takes over the Taekang Group & hospital with Prosecutor Jung..??! Nah.... Technically can't be! 

    LJJ is trying to get the amusement park that belonged to Mrs Oh's father. So in my opinion, her husband with LJJ's help framed her for abetting the murder so that she would be sent to prison. Once convicted, her ex-husband could sign a deal with LJJ so that he would take over the amusement park. I doubt that LJJ is interested in the amusement park but in the location. Maybe they have already planned to build that VIP center there.  Why? the husband is linked to Taekwang construction company.  

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  9. @gm4queen In my opinion, NYJ's purpose was never to help MYR and her children. Don't forget that the chairman wanted to change the way the company was ruled. Therefore NYJ's true goal has been to take away Taekwang Group from this terrible family. NYJ chose to help Mrs Oh and he has been even matchmaking her with prosecutor Jung. Oh keeps mentioning that she will become the wife's minister... therefore I believe that Oh will play a major part in taking down this family. Don't forget that he handed her over the ownership of Ha Eun Hospital.

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  10. 2 hours ago, gm4queen said:

    Yes, just watched yesterday's eps & I am so stunned by the outcome..... I really hated LJH at the beginning of the series but now I want him to live more.. He surely did bad deeds with killing innocent people on street but he seems to be aware of his sins & wanna reflect on them! :wacko: I think he should stay alive in order to beat his jerk bro!!! And I'd be so happy if opens his eyes or something hopeful in the last ep!


    And NYJ lost his smart mind for a second & how could he fall for LJJ's trap so easily..???! I think he won't care if LJH will survive or not, his words are too harsh towards the end for Mrs. Mo! In that case, I totally agree with @MidnightRain friend here! NYJ can go to the extend for his plans but is it wise to use LJJ's own family to destroy him..???! :o Mrs. Mo's reactions aren't that good for NYJ that her second son failed to survive from her elder son because of NYJ's reckless plan!! LJH better survive at the end!! :mellow:


    And I dunno if it's Mr. Seon's true self but glad to see that he's besides NYJ to confort him & help him catch the culprit!!! Seon knows that teaming up with NYJ is the only way for him to survive from LJJ! But how they are gonna catch him in the first place..???! I am sure that NYJ has a big card rather than the voice recording of LJJ on his hand!!!! I am desperately waiting for the finale eps!!!! And once again, KBS is smart enough that we have to wait another week only to see the finale of Doctor Prisoner-_- This is torturing!!!!! :bawling:


    Tagging dear @bebebisous33 & @@Alice Mendoza chingus as well.... We only have 2 eps now on our fav crime series!!!! :unsure:

    Honestly, Mo really got on my nerves because she is as selfish and cruel as LJJ in the end. Does she know what NYJ went through? For her, only her family and the company matter. She never cared for the others. LJH is responsible for the death of three persons. Then LJJ is also responsible for the chemical incident and although LJJ covered it up, his father knew about it, just like his wife. Yet they let him cover it up. Did Mo feel grief for the bereaved families? Did she try to help them? Nothing at all. NYJ's reproach is correct. The mistress and her kids had an impact on LJJ... they never tried to include him. The relationship in this family was terrible. They were all selfish and ruthless. To conclude, LJJ became a monster because of the way he was raised and because of his father.

    I hope, this family loses the company in the end. 


    Maybe Mrs Oh's case could be the evidence for LJJ's downfall. He is definitely connected to her arrest and sentence.

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  11. @misspiggie I think exactly like you. I doubt that NYJ hasn't planned Seon's betrayal. In fact, I believe, he is expecting it. He knows his personality very well. Moreover, he knew that in order to catch him for real, he needed to use a bait. Remember that from the start, Seon's major flaw has been his greed. Notice that once he has achieved his original goal, he reveals to his wife, he wants more. His hunger for power and wealth is limitless. They couldn't catch him for murder but they will at some point. Notice that he was the one who instigates LJJ to commit murder (his father). 

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  12. @mrsj3n Seon is definitely working for NYJ. There is no doubt about it. Right now, NYJ is the one winning. First, Seon made it clear to LJJ that he knows that doctor Ko has been working for him. This means, NYJ and the pharmacist know that the doctor is the murderer of the Assemblyman. Notice that when LJH had his seizure, the doctor Ko no longer paid attention to him. In my opinion, LJH was faking it and became a witness. 

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  13. NYJ is always three steps ahead of the others. Seon has now become NYJ's puppet king and this is important. Even if Seon is recommended by LJJ and MYR, both are thinking that Seon will obey them. Seon threatens LJJ so that the latter is forced to accept Seon as the future VIP center director. MYR believes that NYJ just helped them by proposing Seon. However, both sides are being played in the end. Seon will only listen to NYJ as he is the one who made his dream come true. But at some point, SMS will have to face the consequences of his actions. 

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  14. NYJ is letting LJJ know because he is using the info in order to divert his attention. He has already predicted that either his sister or doctor Han will be kidnapped in order to blackmail him. That's why he will use Seon as pawn. Little by little, more and more people are working with him. Even LJH was interested in this as he knew that the driver intended to kill him.

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  15. @gm4queen Yes, NYJ is well aware that LJI and her mother are just interested in the inheritance but don't forget that he is not really siding with them. He doesn't give all his info. That's why I am convinced that NYJ despises them too as they show no concern for others. NYJ is determined to protect the weak ones from the powerful ones. That's why he is asking different "weak" people for their help. Like he pointed out, the more they are working together, the more they can defeat the powerful ones. Besides, we were given the impression that Oh Jung Hee was framed as well hence NYJ had no problem to help her get a stay of execution. He knows that she is not a bad person. NYJ obtained the support from An Jin Chun. From my point of view, NJY will come to help AJC to cut ties with his wife's family. Notice that he is trying in the long run to correct the wrong verdicts. 


    Notice that MYR's husband is not dead. He has been just lying in bed for three years, however LJH and MYR show more concern for the inheritance than for the CEO's health. They don't question why he became so sick like that. Their greed and their selfishness are the reasons why "weak" people get hurt and this is what NYJ is trying to stop.


    NYJ had no idea that LJJ had Han So Geum as psychiatrist.

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  16. 3 hours ago, gm4queen said:

    Hello dear @bebebisous33 chingu!!


    Yes, I read your analysis & I love your ideas of NYJ! :wub: And I personally think that LJH is only a side character in NYJ's drama plan! :D His main lead is LJJ but why do I feel that NYJ would take the advantage of LJJ's disease to break him down! And I am still not clear that why NYJ wants taekang group & hospital for himself..???! Is he planning to merge it with Haeun hospital or am I missing here something..???! :o Things are too fishy here! No one knows NYJ's next move & it's very dangerous for his enemies! And NYJ will make LJJ & Seon go bankruptcy & they two guys are after each other, aren't they..???! And why is Seon after Taekang group & LJJ while he is having Haeun hospital..??!! They are getting each other's throats now & I am more curious over the plot! This is gonna be a fantastic ride!


    Can't wait to see next eps....

    LJJ wants to become the next CEO but he is not really interested to become the director of Taekang Hospital and the new VIP hospital. However, the position of the hospital director is important in that quarrel for the succession therefore he needs someone who will be his ally. If he becomes the CEO of taekang Group, then he can nominate someone who will become the next hospital director. That's why he needs someone on his side. However, he knew that Seon was just greedy and was not entirely trustworthy.


    Seon's biggest wish was to be recognized as powerful, to become famous. He wanted to make people forget about his malpractice which ruined his reputation in the first place. Notice that on the paper, he was just the director of that prison, while in reality he was the real owner of that hospital. So he was working in the shadow which Seon only saw as a step. LJJ used doctor Ko in order to get rid his threads. Assemblyman Jung had files against LJJ and Seon represented a thread as he knew that he would try to use the files for his own advantage. As conclusion, Seon will be framed for Jung's death. He had the means, the motives and the opportunity, LJJ set him up. For the first time, Seon will experience what unfairness and injustice means. So far, he doesn't see his wrongdoings hence he shows no regret. LJH is showing no remorse either therefore his real punishment will be, when his family loses the seat of the CEO, so that he has no longer powerful connections.  


    I hope, this could answer your questions.  


    You are right: LJJ's illness is a weakness, especially since his illness can affect his judgement. 

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  17. @gm4queen I was away for a few days hence I could only watch the latest episodes today. In my opinion, NYJ is not just targeting LJJ. Yes, the latter is responsible for the death of the mute couple and their unborn child therefore he knows the true personality of LJJ. But I have the impression that there is more to it because if his true enemy was just LJJ, why didn't he side with MYR and LJI from the start? Notice that he uses their support but he doesn't rely on them entirely. He uses LJH as tool for a bargain, yet he never asked for their support in order to protect Bit Na. No, he lets them in the dark... Furthermore he knows about the future meeting and the importance of the shares. Notice that Seon signed a contract selling his shares from Haeun Hospital and so did the other relatives. Then he asked Oh Jung Hee to change the hospital's legacy: create a just world. That's why in my opinion, his true purpose is to change Taekang Group and Taekang Hospital so that neither LJJ nor LJH nor his mother get the inheritance, especially the hospital. If he gets the shares, then he can become the next CEO. Moreover, if he owns Haeun Hospital... this can change the vote in his favor. Since they are all focused on their own interests and believe that he wants to get revenge, they don't think that NJY has a different purpose. What do you think about this?    

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  18. 20 minutes ago, tiMadam said:


    I had not thought of that before and I assume she died from suicide.  Looking at it now, I see that make sense.  The father seems suspicious at times and not able to figure him out as far as him letting KIW marry MR.  He also demanding to see her...does he feel a sense of repentance for allowing the marriage?

    Also not sure if you notice the painting with the mother with child. 

    No I didn't. Could you tell me in which scene it appeared?

    However, I can not write any analysis any longer because I am about to travel for one week.

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