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3 hours ago, triplem said:
Same....so when do you all think they will come together??
I dunno if it’s just me, but have you and/or anyone else noticed that a lot of 16 ep kdramas have the first kiss by ep 8? It’s like an unspoken rule that I always keep in mind when anticipating the first kiss scene.
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Can’t wait for more romance scenes between OTP
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2 hours ago, azureblue7 said:
Teaser for Ep 13 and 14!
Thank you!!! So in teaser we saw MH in black crying. I think the dad may have died. I cant believe she goes to visit SW! I also think recep will reveal to MH KPJs true colors.
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3 hours ago, UnniSarah said:
Once thing bothers me WHY DOES THE HONORABLE CHAIRMAN WANT JYC TO BE THE NEXT CHAIRMAN? IS IT BECAUSE HE DOESN’T THINK JBC CAN HANDLE IT OR BECAUSE HE STILL DOESN’T LIKE HIM??? I THOUGHT HE FINALLY TRUSTED JBC? I NOTICED WHEN JBC MENTIONED HOW KPJ CHOSE HIM OVER JYC THE HONORABLE CHAIRMAN DIDN’T LIKE IT????
Sorry to cut your post. I think the Grandpa is against JBC becoming chairman for the same reason that KPJ wants to use JBC. He is easily controllable. Like how the Grandpa says he pities JBC for having a mom like JMR. She has manipulated him since young that he is entitled to the chairman spot but the whole time he’s been helped by KPJ. The Grandpa is probably sharp enough to know if JBC became chairman he would just be a puppet of his mom and KOJ. But if JYC becomes chairman then he’s just going allowing with his father’s riders who’s also a Jang, so it’s kinda like the Jang Legacy continues via JYC. At least that may be one possible answer to why in the world the Grandpa favors JYC over JBC so much of at the very least perpetuates this constant rivalry between JYC and JBC. You mentioned in previous post that JSM was never interested in chairman position so he wasn’t in similiar like dispute with his elder brother over inheritance. I don’t know what happened since his death that now there’s this huge competition for who’s the heir of chairman position.
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20 minutes ago, ihyuni said:
I love some friendly discourse.
Honestly, this is just me dismantling meta that's been sitting in the back of my head, lol. I know that certain things have happened for the sake of plot. I'm just talking about in the earlier stages.
@dramafan33 @kysy
But that's the point even if KPJ went to kill JMR that night for his "brother", young KPJ literally had no hard evidence that JMR had been the person who orchestrated the entire ordeal at that point and time. He saw her for only a few minutes, and just because you see two people (JMR + OH) together doesn't mean they planned to kill you, haha. That's why I referenced the grandfather being the real person behind KPJ going to jail for JBC. So what I find crazy is that he was going to kill her based off an "assumption" that she had done it.
What if she really wasn't the person behind it, lol? I mean we know she did, but at the time young KPJ was not privy to that information. He didn't learn a lot of his current facts until he was an adult and had spent time with the family and now he had the resources to do so. So that's why I asked if possibly he tried to kill her for another reason? But I digress, and heed both of your insight. And it's true too his mother could of been like it was probably JMR but that's an assumption and not a fact, cause it could of been the grandfather unbeknownst to his mother.
And when I say semantics I mean it from the perspective that I clearly see KJP lack of personal accountability for the reasons why his life has ended up the way it has. Revenge has blinded him to this particular aspect of being self-aware, but if he was there would be no plot, lol.
I also wonder how and if KPJ knew MMR was involved in his mom’s death that he suddenly decided to take the knife and kill her.
This could totally be wrong, but looking at it fro, another perspective, maybe his first revenge was to kill her so JBC could be without a mom like he had to live. Or, as he declared his plan for his lil bro to NMh when he was young before moving to JMRs house, maybe he made an inference that she was behind the murder because of his mom’s letter stating he was the eldest son and then JMR making some statement about wanting JBC to be chairman (though I don’t recall her saying anything like that before he spread his apdads ashes and attempted suicide) so I don’t really know what stemmed his motives to try to kill her
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14 minutes ago, lu09 said:
Thanks. I agree with u all.
-JBC is a Good dad to his son but the idiot doesn't still know what the Jang family is capable of doing. He is going to learn his lesson the hard way it seems. I hope the child doesnt die. the award of the worst husband of the year going to him. I mean come on ur wife misccariaged and what do u do. U get jealous of KPJ when nothing happened and u expect her to understand when u bring the child to the house without informing her and humiliate her in front of the family.marriage is work and unfortunately JBC isn't cut for it. I want them to divorce asap.That mistress is happy with this turn of events but I don't think she is going to be accepted in the Jang family.
-Grandfather: ohh I can't wait for him to find out that not only was he raising someone who wasn't related to him but also the real one is planning to destroy them. The old man is going to hold the back of his head and faint. Ohh it will be so good hahaha. And i also think it was him who took off the mask. Remember that family meeting in ep 12, check his expression, thats the look of guilt man. At the end either that old man will die of heart attack or someone either JMR or his son will kill him.
-That uncle and his son pissed off KPJ big time. They deseve what is coming for them.
-secretary Oh. U kill a child to save ur own. U deserve what is happening to u. But it is weird how I felt when I saw him greeting his son in the morning. Is it just me or have gone crazy for feeling sorry for a child killer?
-JMR I have no words for her. I hope her dream comes true regarding KPJ seeing him standing in front of the house.
Sorry for the long post.
Dont be sorry loved every single part of your post! You’re not crazy at all, i pitied Oh during that scene with JBC when he’s heading to his car outside the house and really felt bad for secretary oh. This show does a really great job of like making lap these characters multidimensional instead of like trapped in one role like evil or villain. Even our main character isn’t the typical righteous hero. There’s no white or black side, just a lot of grey. I mean as much as I despise JMR, I pity her too because she’s stuck in a cycle of loving a man who doesn’t love her. I dunno if KPJ and her are in a relationship like that but if they are that’s her I’ll fate with the jang bloodline that the father and son both felt nothing for her. Also, if putting love aside, she’s also stuck in like this cycle of resorting to violence and murder in order to achieve her means. She deserves what’s coming for her and even her conscious is haunting her with foreshadowing dreams of what is to come. Now I’m not justifying her actions or rather crimes whatsoever but I think this automatic tactic she uses was bred by none other than the Grandpa. I noticed his expression too during the meeting when JBC mentioned his dad and the oxygen mask, and it was definetly the gpa who looked guilty rather than YCs dad being accused of it. As others have mentioned, I don’t think KPJ has any intention to reveal that JBC isn’t a jang because that’s his leverage against OH and he needs JBC to be his puppet for the revenge plan. But since NMH knows the secret, I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s the one who tips off reporters. Hahahah definetly that will be an iconic scene when gpa finds out the birth secret about JBC.
JBC is gonna look so bad in front of NMh now. Not only did he go on marrying her when he already knew about the pregnancy of his ex and even NMH had met her (it was when they were engaged but still not married so he totally could have stopped this lie from spanning for five freaking years!) but now NMH will find out her marriage was arranged too. This means that she will realize the only reason he went on with the marriage despite his kid wasn’t cuz he loved her but cuz he wanted to gain whatever conveniences from arranged marriage. Talk about like double betrayal.
Lol yes this mistress’s is in for a big one. She’ll shamelessly show up at Moshimiwon with her son, most likely after the divorce or during it, and have a grandpa try to accept them in. Now we don’t know if he will or not, but if he does I doubt JMR will treat her as good as she has with NMH and I look forward to that. Along with her finding out like gpa about JBCs birth secret
she still gonna wanna be with him after that like NMH did?
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@azureblue7 KPJs dad, JSMs death (his brothers initials YCs dad, is JSM too right? Just so I don’t confused anyone) is definetly fishy!! And I don’t think it was the brother...JSM(?) who took off the oxygen mask. As crazy as this is, I think it was the grandfather that did it to his own son.
@bebebisous33 you articulated it perfectly. Besides this event, we also saw KPJ found out (much later on though after JBC and NMH were together...I think or maybe it was when he wasn’t a teenager and had that knife) that the grandfather had a big hand in getting KPJ go to jail instead of JBC. @flounder2004 The grandpas method besides money for power is marriage and since he can remarry he uses his children’s and grandchildren. Having his son be an exception may have been what propelled the Grandpa to take off oxygen mask. @kysy thank you so it was Kim you chul who was the chairman’s illegimate son! So the chairman does have bastards too and seems to be very against them. Probably cause it would ruin his reputation like his kin going to jail would?
I give props to JBC, I do agree after these two episodes the one thing I can give him credit for is being a loyal dad. But he needs to realize he can’t have money and his kid. He needs to give up one and it should be his jang status. He’s not even a jang! Poor secretary oh, the feels when they greeted each other after the big reveal. Not that oh is innocent after killing the kid so this is his karma I guess.
@zinaa so I think YC, cause his wife is related to a media company, is the one who released news about congressman na and bribery. But the arranged marriage was leaked by SW. funny is in each eVents, both characters are looking at their phones.
@lu09 welcome!!! Omg I want NMH to divorce JBC asap. My biggest fear is that she gets preggers with KPJs baby while married to JBC and the Grandpa, thinking it’s JBCs baby and JBC is a jang, will force her to stay married to him. As much as I admire JBC for how he treats his son, that’s the only thing i respect him for lol. He sucks when it come so to NMH! The whole time that bad thing was happening to her father, he should have done something-anything-but he did NOTHING! All he worried about was his future as chairman. I mean dude you are literally dumb. If her father is no longer in election then there’s no reason for her to pretend you guys are okay like she said in last episode after finding out about baby mama and son. Not just that, but as a husband and someone who supposedly loved her, you should be helping some way besides holding her hand and pointing out the obvious that you’re husband that makes her suffer.
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1 hour ago, ihyuni said:
I totes forgot it was Saturday yesterday. I slept in and was going about my day like it's nothing, lol. Then I realized and SCREAMED >///<
Anywho late night thoughts, now that I've watched:- Please, please, protect NMH at all costs. That poor girl. She has taken too many L's right now.
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NMH all the power to you, girl. Ignore JBC like he ignored you. Dog him, they way he dogged you. Fair is fair.
- Secretary Oh congratulations. You da pappy, lmao. I lowkey felt bad tho. I can imagine how he must of felt watching JBC grow up and not being able to even have any kind of connection with his son, but then again you killed someone else's child so... it's kind of what you deserve.
- Someone tell the chairman NMH ain't pregnant ffs. Perpetuating this false pregnancy is wrong and probably painful for NMH to have to hear about. Also I realized the family knew NMH is prone to miscarriages yet the first thing that was thrown in her face upon her return was she didn't have a baby. Dear chairman, you're trash.
JMR as always is my evil bae such unyielding chaotic evil lies underneath that refined mask. It's a beautiful day to have someone killed, lol. I love her. Imma be sad when she dies, because the foreshadowing is too real.
KPJ stop looking at NMH lovingly because you know damn well you set up NHM being in this marriage, so to be acting like you're a "friend" when you're honestly deceiving her with the part you've played is wrong especially when JBC just made her feel so awful about herself. Issa No From Me. I wonder if her NMH's father dies, which I hope he doesn't, will she blame KPJ when she finds out his involvement? Honestly, his plan for revenge could of stopped long ago after he learned JBC wasn't even a Jang. JMR would of been out on her azz. So far the only people getting hurt in his plan is NMH and KPJ himself. Yikes.
Anyways, the blood bath has begun and it's insane. Plans aren't going according to plan and the chairman is beginning to be as bad and as calculating everyone else. Hide ya illegitimate kids, hide ya grand kids, heck the slush funds too cause they killing and coming for everyone out here, lol. Can't wait for next week!I know right someone, anyone just spill the beans about the miscarriage! YC if you’re gonna stop so low to involve your in laws and sabotage a career for the sake of your future as chairman and making your daddy, JSM, proud then might as well forget the president and just tell the Grandpa about NMH miscarrying so that they divorce and the dad does t get his money. The Grandpa was gonna support another political candidate anyways! Ughhh so unnecessary of you to use your reporter connections and get NMHs dad in trouble like that. I hope he ends up in a coma like @viktormani suggested
I don’t know if I should call KPJs revenge a Greedy Revenge or Ambitious Revenge. If he wanted to get his revenge, he could have used all those blackmail worthy docs saved up in all those safe vaults and just send each family member to jail because they all suck. He doesn’t have to have this grand scheme of betraying JMR with getting the company.
@kysy I have this feeling that the grandfather may have like, supported JMR in the past when she suggested she would ‘take care’ of the illegimate kids and mom and the grandfather didn’t object. I mean he’s so eager for grandchildren but then he sees ha Jung and throws a hissy fit like illegitimate children aka bastards are his worse nightmare.
Also guys, I don’t know if you remember in the beginning of the show when there’s like that adult illegimate child. Can’t remember if he was the chairman grandpas bastard or something. I just wonder if that is something important and what exactly that is about.
Oh yeah, I bet was SW that was the blogger who revealed NMh and JBC had an arranged marriage.
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1 hour ago, UnniSarah said:
OMO OMO.... Kang Pil Joo is brilliant. LOL LOL LOL
Damn !!! Although I love him , I think he is HOT Hot Hot Front and Back is HOt!!! This character is very cold and calculative. Like some of you said Nam Mo Hyun is his weakness and his heart. THis is only my interpretation. KPJ even confessed the pain he is suffering from the lost of his father, mom and brother. When talked about them i felt his pain and anguish over their loss. It seems NMH witnessed KPJ going in the water twice. The first time when he was scattering his father's ashes. Such a sad scene. Mr. Oh's weakness is JBC. I don't think he loves JMR. I think he loves his son more than her. I think from watching it raw, KPJ reapeated the exact words of Mr. OH's last conversation with JMR which was a painful memory for Mr. Oh.... I found that scene cold.
Some part me of think KPJ chose NMH subconciously because he wants to be stopped. Remember chingu it was JMR who REMINDED HIM OF HIS REVENGE. He was so conflicted before NMH's wedding. She ( JMR) saw KPJ was wavering. OMG !! the look on her face when she saw NMH and KPJ was sleeping in the car.
I understand why you put the blame on the Honorable Chairman. It started with him but I just can’t stop myself from BLAMING JMR THE MOST.
Honorable Chairman has pitted his children and children against each other so they can succeed him. He is so disgusting and remember he told his mistress he like JMR because she was vicious. He said he wished JBC was more like his mother’s.
If secrtary oh really is JBCs dad, then how could he let JMR go along with hiring a killer to take care of YSW and their GRANDCHILD?! Him not letting JMR know that KPJ is really JEC must be his guilty for letting history repeat itself with his son and grandchild.
Unni, now that it’s confirmed JBC is JMRs son since oh is his dad, then that also means SHE WAS GONNA KILL HER GRANDCHILD! Yes she’s worse than the grandfather or anyone on the show cause she’s the only one who resorts to killing and murder.
Btw, the kinda like add onto my previous post that I didn’t think of before. JEC/KPJs dad was an adult and he could ave stopped the marriage with JMR by marrying his mom. I mean she was already technically with JEC so he shoulda put a ring on it a long time ago. Just putting that out there but of course we don’t know full story yet soooo
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35 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:
@philosophie Thanks for the support. Because of this interpretation, the best revenge would be to destroy the grandfather's legacy. I haven't watched the episodes yet... but since it looks like NMH's father committed suicide, I have fearing a bad ending for KPJ. On the other hand, I wished, this wouldn't happen because it feels like a repetition... no surprising ending.
Even if KJP has been the one proposing the idea of JBC and NMH's marriage, everyone except NMH was aware of the real value of that marriage hence they are all partners in crime. The father could have refused but he allowed his greed and dream to overcome his conscience, then JBC was not innocent either just like his mother. But we shouldn't forget that KJP tried to stop the marriage (that's why he leaked the photos) and later, he wanted to make sure that JBC loved NMH. These two measures prove to me that he had changed his strategy/goal: he wanted NMH to be loved and be happy. I have another end in my mind. So my idea is that once JMR and JBC realize that they have been played and betrayed, they decide to reveal that KJP was the one who planned the "coincidences" between JBC and her, but what can they prove? Since KJP has been the dog all this time, KJP could just reply that he only did what he was ordered to do. So far, he has just been a lawyer and an employe of that company. So he could definitely blame JMR and JBC for this. Moreover, both of them don't know that he was the one who gave her the photos. Finally, if her father dies, he can't be used as witness. But in case, he survives, KJP could decide to cover up for her father's mistake so that he would never reveal KJP's help. However, her father doesn't know who really ordered the whole set-up.
If NMH found out about the extent of KPJs involvement, I don’t think she would be as mad at them as she would with JBC and JMR. I men’s he really didn’t force anyone to do anything, he just kinda set the offer and had it up them to choose. Maybe it was manipulated but there was still a lot of free will and as mature as we have seen NMH, I think she may consider this. I don’t think she will blame KPJ for his death but I think she will have nothing to lose now by divorcing JBC and leaving the fam since there’s no more campaign. There are two extremes of an end I have in mind, with this one being that she lets go of what happens and forgives KPJ because she acknowledges his very painful past and the similiar grief he went through after wanting to kill himself cause his mom, stepdad, and little bro were dad. If she loses her dad this will be her first time experiencing grief. She will empathize with KPJ! Even get preggers with his kid but that may make her constant target of JMR, grandpa and JYCs dad if they find out KPJ is JEC. She will be safe and KPJ miraculously lives on either as the chairman of cheong a, or gives it to eithe or and JYC and runs his own law firm or something. He and NMH have their happily ever after and JBC ends up with his baby mama and kid. JMR has finally like come to her senses and relinquished all that greed, revenge, ambition and whatever else she was clingin onto that resulted in her downfall. She’s like more tranquil and content with the simple things so like down to earth cause she’s fine with just living with secrary oh and her illigatame grandson and gold digging wife. Ha see life of itself gives revenge, karma.
the other extreme of the ending is KPJ dies which other posters have predicted as well. NMH could possibly be the one who kills him as re never and kills herself afterwards. Or JMR attempts to kill him and both or one dies. If KPJ dies, it would suck if JMR is still alive so I hope she dies too if he dies.
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So I couldn’t wait and watched it raw. GUYS!!! i know a lot happened these past two episodes but can we like celebrate and have a congrats over one big thing-
NMH FINALLY KNOWS KPJ IS JO IN HO!!!!!!
okay happy dance over, now down to the nitty and gritty.
thank you JBC for being so self destructive. You hear your son was murdered and then you take h8m into the very house that has the suspects of murder-your psychopath mama, your nemesis the ebbbbil cousin JYC, and then the cheer on top VERY shady grandpa.
I’m with @bebebisous33 that the Grandpa is the one that started this. Yes JMR is heavily responsible for many of the tragedies but first of all the Grandpa is the elder. Whether his company was on the rocks-which btw isn’t his company because as we remember he married his wife who was the heir/person related to the company-your son must have been objecting the marriage which should have been the scenario if we are thinking chronologically-JEC must have been no older than two or three even four years old when the arranged marriage was well, arranged. So if he already even existed, why in the world would he go through it? Most likely his father aka JECs grandfather was the one who forced him to marry since he has that power and the grandfather has that ambition and greed. Now it also annoys me how this Grandpa perpetuates the feud between JMR, JBC vs JYC and his dad. I mean cmon I know you’re insecure about your chairman spot or really bored eating ginger all the time but does entertain8ng yourself come at the expense of others? I think he could have stopped JMR, he was the only one who could.
Did anyone wonder like me when congressman na had NMHs medical records why there was an abortion part? Did she once abort JBCs baby? Was just curious about that. And did his secretary get that info from KPJ or is her dad just doing rogue investigation of his own?
So I’ve been vaguely able to understand the raw eps so far but I can’t quite understand the news scene. What did the whole find out while eating dinner together (in so ep 12) and they change the clip from like some promo of congressman na to the news and then suddenly the whole fam looks at her dad and boom scene changes to his office?
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Random, but i wonder if writers will turn NMH into a character similiar to what the actress played in Whisper.
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1 hour ago, Prettysup said:
I think he just wanted Woo to have an excuse of keeping the money for himself instead of it landing in Jang Sung-man's hands, nothing to do with the truck. He is planning to drive a wedge between the 2 fellows, and also to get hold of Woo's secret which he can blackmail later.
Im wondering tha too. Is KPJ driving a wedge between NMhs dad and the jangs? Just curious what his stance is cause it seems like he’s not giving her dad the money on purpose to either test if he would let his daughter stay married in the family when he’s not getting his end of the deal? Not sure if KPJ is actually helping her dad become pres or stopping it from happening, which if he is helping her dad we know it is for his advantage to help with revenge, but I do wonder if he will become president in the show.
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41 minutes ago, fiesty8001 said:
I think JH's character will die.
Same. And JML. Thats how deep their connection is that they will both fight to the end, literally by clashing until both die. JML dies first because its no money flower without KPJ, and I’m sure her loyal dog Oh will kill KPJ since that was the fate he escaped long ago.
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Hey guys, finally caught up on the show. I like how YYs new boss, Nam is pushing her to focus on herself in her job. We saw at the beginning how she’s always answering her old boss’s class and it got in the way of her personal life. You shouldn’t have your professional life be doing tha, at least not unwillingly. Btw, had no idea iPhone suri in Korea is sun hee lol so cute. Are assistants/secretaries really referred to as jugglers? Also wow didn’t know Nam is a divorcee. Loved his story with the director hahaha omg he’s such a cute cinnamon roll when he confronted his fam and ran after Nam hahahah lowkey shipped them during that poking scene.
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2 hours ago, sava2sava said:
@UnniSarah This is why I find NMH very clever.. She even agreed to take the child into the home as a Jang.. Lil that she knows Jang is just a last name when it comes to power the Jangs in that home is nothing but fakes.. YSW wanted to be position in that family with her child just wait NMH is really going to throw her for a loop because I do think she will tell YSW that JBC is iligitmate right along with the same story JMR told her but the added twist one of the kids didn't die and she knows who he is and already has his child.. She may even tell her to take her son and his father because they not related to the family.. I really think the writer has something in this nature to happen to those so called Jangs NMH will get rid of them all for KPJ.. Maybe it would be her to test the daughter with her own child but she may even think to re-test JBC to see if he's any relation to JMR. It really would be something if he's not related to her another shocker to us all if this happen she snatch up someone else child and brought him there claiming he's there blood.. That would make me think she had a onesided crush on JSM and did anything to have him..
Omg yes, I’m so on board the theory that JBC isn’t even related to JMR and she either kidnapped or adopted the baby from somewhere. The reason why I think she didn’t give birth to JBC is because she didn’t seem unfazed letting him get married and mov8ng away. Basically her greed and ambition is much more powerful than her supposed love for her son, which is quite possible since we saw this with NMHs dad who’s her actual dad (at least we th8nk so lol jk...maybe?
) so I know that’s not a valid reason to justify why JBC isn’t her kid, but we also know she has the potential to do such a thing. And I’m also on board the assumption that JSM never slept with her and possibly knew that the kid in the very least wasn’t his.
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1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:
@jongski @triplem I have been thinking about KJP and JMR's relationship: I don't think that KJP is sleeping with her because in my opinion, JMR would lose her title as the wife of JSM. She would be kicked out right away. In my opinion, KJP is only hugging her and caressing her. JMR needs to have that kind of intimacy with him. She wants to awake desire in KJP so that he would do anything for her. If she acts as hurt and weak, she has the impression that KJP and in the past Oh would try anything to protect her, to make her feel better. I believe that it is her way to controll KJP. But KJP is playing along with her, he is exactly using the same method to have the upper hand. She is craving for attention and comfort. The more caresses she gets, the more she will ask for these.
Nice analysis. It does seem her tactic is to weapnize the pity and sympathy channeled toward her as a way to manipulate them into doing her reckoning. I totally have been suspecting KOJ and JMR since the first episodes, mostly on JMRs side since we already know KPJ absolutely despises her. The thing about JML is that in the past, I think she genuinely used secretary oh but with KPJ, she doesn’t jut use him, she depends on him. So I think that she cares and respects and feels more for KPJ than Secretary Oh and that’s going to make the betrayal and revenge by KPJ that more better because she won’t be able to shrug it off as a master loosing their dog but rather someone loosing their other half. I don’t know if she’s in love with him but I think that she is. How she reacted when KPJ was suspected to be JEC, like it’s so blasphamaous because if he is then she has been copdenet and falling for none other than her step son she tried to kill. SO TELENOVELAESQUE SOAP OPERAISH I LOVE IT. She was so quick to intercept NMH and KPJ, which yes can be an excuse for she wanted so quickly cause it would get in the way of the grand scheme of things but I just feel like she definetly doesn’t look at KPJ like an adoptive son but definetly a man. Which is so weird because he came in as a teenager who’s only a few years older than his son. she didn’t seem attracted to him when he was young thankfully but the fact that she knew him when he was young and is technically still his step mother is what kinds throws me off. And hey, I’m one that secretly loved those taboo pairings and all power to cougars. But I think what disgusts me is that she’s the one who killed his brother and mother, if not indirectly and she’s like the last ‘mature adult’ in his life yet she has the audacity to act like a woman.
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1 hour ago, jongski said:
So who do you think is JBC father?
Secretary oh, YCs dad, or so,done we have yet to see.
Who thinks ha Jung isn’t JBCs son? Or did they use same child actor that played JBC as Ha Jung too? Just curious if it’s already been confirmed with that or something.
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Woah 24 episodes?! Was it aLways 24 episodes or did they get an extension because I swear it used to be 16?
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24 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:
I feel the same. I do feel sorry for KJP. To me, he is definitely not a bad person.
The episode 8 gave us a lot of clues how KJP feels about JBC. He hated him in the first place but he came to love him. The scene from his memories where we saw JBC showing him first his report card underline how close they had become:
- When JBC shows his report card to him, KJP is the first to get the good news.
- Then JBC shows him a picture of his father JMS and confided to KJP. Since he talks to JSM in front of KJP, it illustrates their closeness.
- Secondly, JBC admits that KJP has become his friend. JBC's speech moved KJP as he knew that JBC was sincere.
That's why KJP said to his father that it was annoying. KJP had never intended to become close to JBC but he realized that JBC had taken the place of his deceased younger brother. During the whole episode 8, KJP acts as JBC's older brother.
Sure first, he was shocked when he saw the DNA results and didn't know how to react towards JBC. He put a certain distance between himself and JBC as he realized that JBC was not related to him. He had to question if JBC was still his brother, knowing that JBC had a different father. Even JBC felt the distance and wondered. But KJP decided to accept JBC as his younger brother, even if he was not blood related. The first reason is that he saw JBC as an innocent victim. Secondly, he had developped an affection towards JBC.By covering up for his true DNA, KJP has created a bound between himself and JBC. He gave his blood for JBC which reinforces this idea that KJP loves JBC. Moreover KJP is convinced that JBC really loves NMH. This explains why KJP advises JBC to tell NMH the truth about his origins. He really supports their couple, although he deeply loves NMH.
By giving NMH to JBC, he put NMH's happiness first. To me, KJP was happy with their marriage. He was content with the thought that he had made NMH happy. He really thought that JBC had changed. Like he said, he wants to crush JMR and with his past, KJP knows that he can never make NMH happy. Since JMR is greedy and ambitious, she would never accept that KJP is the real master and JBC is just a puppet. However, KJP thought that JBC considered him as his hyung... but he hid many things from KJP. The latter feels betrayed by JBC. No wonder if he really resents JBC in the end.
@triplem I am glad that you are joining this thread. I am like you... I only started watching this weekend and I got hooked right away.
He went easy on the beating too. I can tell that KPJ doesn’t despise JBC or hold a grudge against him as he does for JMR. At first I thought KPJ would resent JBC for going to jail in his place 2 (+?) times even if wasn’t JBC directly the one who makes these bad decisi9ns, his passiveness is a contributi9n that JBC should be responsible for. Still, KPJ never got in the way of NMH and JBC.
Heres the thug, I don’t think KPJ blames JBC for what he really mad at JMR for which isn’t the jail or even loosing his adoptive dad. It was his brother and mother. As seen by JBC’s obliviousness to the hitman sent for his baby mama, this is a parallel to the cluelessness that his dad had even though he was dead by then to even have a chance to protect them. Each time, JMR is going behind the back of the men to deal with the women. KPJ brushes it off as his loyalty to JBC when JMR notices his hand and mentions they’re drifting away from each each other Cause JBC is his master and not JML. Which I’m not sure if she secretly is satisfied with or actually dissatisfied and wants KPJ to be her dog not her sons. Gosh she’s as greeedy as her son. I don’t know, it’s so confused. So far KPJ says his plan is to make JBC chairman but actually a scarecrow and then when JMR thinks she owns cheong a, she takes it out of her hands. For this to happen, JBC will be in the crossfire too, so even if KPJ cares about JBC, he’s still another tool for revenge like NMH? What was he planning to do when NMH would Lso be in the middle of this revenge scheme and her supposed mother in law is completely screwed over?
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17 minutes ago, sava2sava said:
@philosophie JMR evil is so twisted she actually believe that JBC is truely a Jang now since she eliminated all that could hinder his past so she thought and the more KPJ play this cat and mouse game with her and Mr.Oh to rattle there cages we will see the cool calm and calculated lady come unglued and maybe slip from her or Mr. Oh's mouth about what he actaully did I'm looking forward to hearing actually how did the man really die.. As long as G/pa isn't aware of it he's safe but these two id evil enough to kill the old man if he has the slightest hint of the two of them.. The pair could off the ol mans wife.. I bet after she learned of the two boys living outside the family home and she told him to bring them and the mother.. I still beileve none of JMR kids are Jangs and both belongs to Mr.Oh..
Yes that was a much deserved beating KPJ gave JBC but my mind is still blown by what he actually ask KPJ to help make his son a true Jang.. KPJ couldn't believe that after all he did to help him marry NMH he still cheated on her as if KPJ cheated on NMH himself.. Something I believe his father never did to his mother nor would he hae done it to NMH had he married her.. KPJ would decieve the world but never the woman he loves had she belonged to him.. When he agreed for NMH to marry into that family he knew she would be his weakness.. Marrying into the family would secure her safety and he could keep watch over her if someone was to learn of his and NMH past..
Very interesting, I never considered that he purposely kept her close by marrying into family so that his past won’t come out. It is really freaking twisted that JML is like so convinced psychologically that her son is a jang. Entitlement complex maybe? I know JBC is greedy cause he admits that he was his wife, illegtimate son, and cheong a. Here’s the thing, i would have hated him wha less if he 1) back then after finding out he’s not a jang, relinquish his title and break up with NMH so he could be with SW and his kid or 2) keep his birth secret a secret to the whole world but tell NMH the truth not just about his identity but his son too so that secret won’t go on for so long like it has now and cut things off with recep. Here’s another thing, I totally have this future scenario in my head where (as we can see we by how vindictive and impulsive SW is by hastily telling NMH wassuo even though I don’t mind) SW refused adoption and goes to press about her illegitimate son. This somehow causes or triggers a ripple effect to sabotaging NMHs dads election and he looses last opportunity to become pres. NMH, knowing how much SW wants her son to have the jang name, purposely is one who also admits to press that JBC is not a jang.
Another thing, now that she has the test tube alibi, maybe uses that as an excuse for why she’s suddenly preggers after her trip when really her and KPJ hook up.
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GUYS! I’m too lazy to go back and find my previous posts to quote myself, but 8 was right about a few predictions!
NMH did have a miscarriage in the past. And there is a scene, last one in the most recent episode, where she meets KPJ again in the same place they met the first time!
”the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree” JMR says about JBC and his baby momma.
whats funny is I keep forgetting JBC isn’t actually a jang so it’s intrresting how blood isn’t what makes you similiar to fam8ly, is more like the heart and who raised you. That’s why KPJ is s9 unlike his bio dad.
On behalf of those like me that wanted to badly go through the screen and knock some sense into JBC, I thank you KPJ aka JEC very very much for the much deserved beating.
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