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In the comments of episode 20, there’s heated debates of whether JMR is a pedophile. What do you guys think. I mean she does have children, her daughter at least, close in age to KPJ and met him as a child. Even though now he is an adult and everything isn’t it kinda wrong to be attracted to someone you, well didn’t exactly raise, but at least watched grow up with your son and daughter close to age with him? I mean we are talking about a murderous person so her moral compass is already out of whack. And I’m not someone that’s against taboo pairings in dramas, it’s just a discussion I’m curious to hear your guys’ opinion on.
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Subs are out and now watching episode.
SpoilerI felt so satisfied when KPJ shot back at his ‘gpa’ not to call him his grandson without his permission. I thought he was horrible to NMH cause she’s not his kin and has no use to him anymore now that her father is out of the picture, but now seeing how he even treats KPJ his supposed blood I am convinced that this Grandpa is a psychopath. Girl, ms Han what have you been doing hanging around this bozo?
KPJ is genius. I love how us as viewers don’t even know his full plan or anything but it’s amazing how he still seizes to surprise me. Love his proposition of the share and threat to use both prosecution and press JUST as jang was wesponized and taken advantage for themselves all these years. Ha how’s it like to taste your own medicine old man?!
freaking ms Han and her big blabber mouth. Loved NMHs expression haha she’s only one who knows wussup.
YC....he has no idea he’s siding with the fake and against his own blood. It is kinda funny though how he thinks he has BC wrapped around his little finger.
seeing his ms Han looks like the same age as YCs mom makes me realize I shouldn’t be so shook about JMR and KPJs age difference (the fact he’s basically her step son) when his grandpa is getting it on with someone that is his daughter in laws age. Guess it’s just a thing with them rich folks.
its kinda nice that YC and BC are not fighting against each other cause now it’s putting the focus on BC vs EC. Way to go writers, you also never seize to amaze me!!!
freaking JMR...treating KPJ like he’s JBCs dad or something by ordering him to keep ‘close watch on him.’ This woman has it coming...haha How did PJ know she would give him her shares without even having to suggest anything so she thinks it’s her own idea?! Haha that ain’t imagination honey, that’s his calculations.
Knowing that YG lives but Oh dies from the live recap, I just have to put it out there that the preview totally threw us off. Who knew that it would be oh instead of YG, basically who are both sidekicks of opposing characters would have opposite fates? Sorry oh feel bad for you but you deserved it after killing an innocent child.
BC is delusional....he really thinks that’s why KPJ made him chairman? I guess this just goes to show his own insecurity and complex about not having a dad.
did JMR even read the contract before she signed that document? I’m keeping a close eye on which person in the House is KPJs mole and by the way the woman (younger servant than other maid) who gave the contract to JMR suspiciously stole a glance at her like she’s in on the scheme with KPJ. She’s the one who switched the pen!!
KPJ...he still is able to smile after failing to leak articles about his evil gpa. I’m loving it, what else do you have under your sleeve, my love?! Definetly has to do with revealing JBC secret hehehe why did he even click the link that BC emailed him? You’re not going to NY, I wont let you boo!!
i honestly feel so bad for PJ...the moment JBC finds out he treats him like shiz same with grandpa..this is the worse family ever. And NMH...both of them screwed over by their family cause of MONEY. Ugh I hate you money you make this world so corrupt and evil!!! Lol I love that KPJ was watching the break up from afar. And that her and BC were already over before she kissed KPJ, showing that this wasn’t even technically any cheating since she’s now separated from BC.
This is so so random but just had a sudden epiphany, wasn’t grandpa at his sons funeral so didn’t he see mistress with her two sons?
That kiss scene..I loved how the preview misled us to think she actually said that but in reality, it was even better cause she was stating it hypothetically and still conveyed respect to his revenge. I am kinda bummed she’s leaving but I hope she gives info about slush fund and gives him money for investment so that even if it’s indirect she helps him too withmuch revenge. I mean she kinda already did when we think about it by doing the arranged marriage and I do ave to say I like that she acknowledged to him about using her but also that he loves her, so she is aware of both sides.
SO IT WAS GPAS DOING! Who knew it would be him not JBC who ordered the infiltration of the base. And he keeps calling PJ such mean and rude names...you’re such an evil elder. Ugh and then I hate him more and more by how he treats KPJ. I seriously cannot wait till he’s behind bars, PUHLEEEAAASE!!!
woah is YG in love with KPJ? This man is a magnet First he got his stepmom, sister in law, and now his sidechickkk-I mean sidekick
i love NMh reaction when JMR is like you’re getting s divorce to be with KPJ right? MH gives her a look like woman where’s yo head at?! Haha you know MH is powerful when she leaves the room and makes JMR sigh. And wow what a twist, gpa is actually scared...serves you right.
i just realized, all those conversations JMR had with SM, NMH, Oh and BC must have all been recorded by pen right? That’s how KPJ knew about train station and that SM was on his trail about loan?
infeel like JMR crying in her car after saying goodbye to Oh is a parallel to JBC crying in his car after threatening SW. I don’t think they loved their baby papa and mama but like it was more a self pity and stuff when they cried. I don’t know, I just don’t buy tha they truly cared about those people cause they always chose their own greed and selfishness over them. So Oh knew he was going to die when drinking poison.....how is it that I can’t fully hate him like JBC..in all their evilness they’re still pitiful. For JMR and grandpa, I don’t feel as much sympathy for them cause I feel like they’re irredeemable. They both had a chance to be-when gpa found out truth about PJ and her murderous behavior till now that won’t be stopped unless KPJ stops her.
”don’t tell mom about it” hmm hun, you’re mom is the one who staged the suicide! Good luck enjoying the chairman position when it was same day your own real dad died!!
this has been one rolelrcoaster. Can’t believe NMH will be getting into politics but then I looove it too and can’t wait to see how that unfolds. I feel like we may get a time jump near the end of the drama but that’s just me.
A lot of audio recordings these past two episodes...but guess that’s revenge dramas overall lol we had gpas, the convo between JMR and BC, etc etc haha
PJ, you really gonna leave without seeing gpas reaction to BCs birth secret?! I would have stayed, it’s show time baby!
im cringing when she hits on him in her wedding dress outfit and his coincidentally groom like tux. It’s cause I ship him so bad with MH I can’t stand seeing her dirty bloody paws on him!!,p get them off!!
my goodnesss though....revenge is a dish that is indeed best served cold
Again I just have to reiterate how these writers have made an art out of cliffhangers. Like seriously the blow my mind every time
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13 hours ago, swagpuppysong said:
@happy2018 - Thanks for sharing the vids, chingu!
Gives us the feeling of a whole new drama against time. Both would probably do well in a historical/melo. *hearty eyes* I so wish I could understand what they're saying though. *wink!
Also, regarding our Min Kyu's intellect, I think his desperation for companionship overshadowed his logic. Met a lot of people in real life who aces the academe really well yet makes the stupidest decisions ever - most specially on matters of the heart. So I was like, "Well yeah..that could happen." *wink!
I agree. We see this in real life with people that get ‘catfished.’ First we would be surprised by how even famous or highly intelligent people would get catfish but when you’re so lonely, none of that matters and you’re susceptible to believing lies more easily cause you wanted those lies. Again another scenario is people who got conned by a scam artist.
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MY GOODNESS LETS AWARD THESE WRITERNIMS FOR THEIR CLIFFHANGERS!!!
These cliffhangers just get more and more better, especially when you think there couldn’t be any better than the last one.
@triplem thank you for that vid of JMR and KPJ scene. My initial reaction (didn’t see actual episode so don’t know full extent of that scene but judging based on the clip) was THEY ARE SOOOOOO NOT PLATONIC (background people: DUHHHHHHH!) !!!!! That time JBC and NMH went to NY and JMR wrist grabbed KPJ and the door closed-did they do it? LMS interviews state otherwise and that they just have a ‘trusting’ relationship but c’mon guys, even though I hate JMR, it’s so obvious she has amazeballs sexual tension with KPJ. On KPJs side, I can see that he’s just wearing a mask that can manipulate JMR and he’s literally dropping a bomb on her at her highest yet most vulnerable moment. I thought it was brilliantly done and of course it does have more impact when he double, well triple betrays her, because it’s on three levels; professional as her secretary, business cause he’s the real heir to chairman position, and personal cause he just reject yooo nasty self! Only more hand clawing at herself to come now on JMRs part...KPJ I’m scared he’s gonna be killed by grandpa because he poses a thread of knowing too much. Or have him be shadow of JYC who will be chosen as next chairman since gpa is all for reputation and he can’t just bring in his underdog as the top dog.
@SeGafanlady thank you for that kiss scene! My goodness, that scene was absolutely touching and I need a future make out scene plzzzz. I interpreted the kiss as KPJ that’s always been lonely and cold finally being warmed by the nice sunlight that is NMH. He seemed caught off guard and just surprised by the closeness between them. But the way he looked before she kissed him was so gentle and sincere. And how he grabbed her hand before he leaves and they had this unspoken look between each other that said it all. Even if he doesn’t leave with her, they belong together so they’re waiting till right timing to be with each other! Hey a girl can hope right?
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Omg can’t wait for the kiss. We having a love recap again? @purplebass @triplem Prepare your hearts for some major feels
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12 hours ago, mimisl123 said:
These are few of my thoughts.
1. Grandfather and KPJ/JEC will team up. He's doing the DNA test just to confirm that it's his eldest grandson. The reason they will pair up is that the old man never liked JMR and JBC. It was all because KPJ's plans that they could still love inside Mooshimwon.
2. Grandfather always liked KPJ, and he knows he is capable of doing anything. So he will gladly accept him as the grandchild but since he was a mistress's son it can be doubtful.
3. The assault/ murdering of Young Goo was definely ordered by JBC and I think Secretary Oh must have had something to do with that too. And that same man was following NMH. I think both those incidents happen after NMH telling JBC that's she is leaving him. And JBC is covered up of jealousy and he thinks NMH is his own property. He might go on to think even though KPJ revealed about the arranged marriage inside that secret chamber she still is with KPJ and that's why he might have decided to search the room by assaulting Young Goo, and as for following NMH I think he wants to harm her as well. JBC is currently in the mind set of doing anything to be in that vice chairman position so he's just taking down people who is going to get in his way. (Just like his mother )
4 So NMH after 18 episodes talking informally to KPJ, that shows their deepbond and as the migratory birds keep coming NMHis coming back to KPJ after everything because she knows him the best.
5. The preview states about coming away with her by stopping everything maybe it's after gaining what KPJ wants the revenge. Stopping everything might be owning cheong A or managing it. At this point they both know that love each other. Even though KPJ's aim was revenge he deviated from what he initially planned in order to protect NMH. Saving her life risking his can be taken as an example, if he has died all what he was planning would have been a waste yet he valued NMH'S life over his. So if NHM really asks him depending on the situation he will listen to her. As someone mentioned there could be an open ending for the two leads, or a sad, because it Definetly cannot be a happy ending where the revenge and the girl is both taken by KPJ. The value of this storywill belost if that kind of ending is plotted.
That's all guys. What do you all think?
Great idea about DNA test, after stills I agree about that point. But I don’t think they will team up based on previews summary (which was posted after your post so I totally would have thought like you if I hadn’t seen now this new info). So it seems that once gpa confirms KPJs claim, it’s gonna be the battle of wits between the old cobra snake and sharp dog.
I definitely think it was JBCs henchman (was that Secretary OH who hit young goo? By frame and body it looked like someone else not JBC or oh, maybe new guy hired by JBC) who assaulted YG and followed MH to her house. Ughh I cannot wait for her to finally break up with JBC. Woah looks like he has a new hairstyle btw, what’s with that? Maybe a symbol to his inner character transformation?
i can’t wait for her to address KPJ informally. After her hearing talking to them both with ‘ssi’ I’m ready for some up and personal name calling
I was all for NMh having KPJs baby while married to JBC But by the path of the story p, which I’m totally cool wit, is going another direction. This show is quite unpredictable and not the stereotypical soap opera so I’m excited to see what will happen.
i do think KPJ deserves a happy ending, I mean he hasn’t even killed anyone so he shouldn’t die.
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3 hours ago, purplebass said:
LOL, I just noticed it! This is a nice sign XD because like someone pointed out a few days ago, she's even calling her husband "Boo Cheon-shi", which is a respectful form we could translate with "MR Boo Cheon". I think this could show us that the marriage wasn't that deep to begin with, because otherwise Mo Hyun would have started calling him "yeobo" or "jagya" (honey, my dear etc), which she never did. Those words must be felt and not be empty, and MH is not one of those drama characters who are all aegyo and call their boyfriend with cute names ever since the beginning but in the end are superficial. MH/BC never crossed the "intimate" line to me. Of course they had phsyical relationships, but it wasn't deep enough to drop the honorifics. Perhaps Mo Hyun wished that someday she'd feel comfortable calling him "honey", but that day never came because she never truly let go of her feelings for her longtime love Jo In Ho AKA Kang Pil Joo. MH calling Pil Joo-ya is a step ahead... HEHEHEH. If she went so far as to drop the honorifics, maybe she even bared her soul to him, who knows. Koreans are very strict when it comes to language and how to address people formally or informally or super informally like with banmal.
I know right, it felt like they weren’t at a legit married couple stage just based on how formally they addressed each other. That was NMHs voice saying pill joo-ah right?
Also guys, that USB in the preview-is it possibly all intel on slush fund in cheong a foundation that NMH uncovered?
i also hope that her production to run away isn’t what we think it is. Like maybe she’s offering for them to do so after his revenge or something. Cause if it’s to run away now, we already know he’ll say no since e was willing to give her up years ago and I doubt that will change now. I don’t see her leaving on her own either or running away anyways even if he says no, so I’m curious t see how that all plays out.
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I think our leads are dating IRL
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7 hours ago, mimisl123 said:
Well its funny that NMH did not slap JBC for all he has done so far. That also means that she got no feelings for him, as in what affects the most for her is what KPJ has done and she does not care about what JBC has done so far to her. Slapping him meant that they both are close enough to do so and each others actions affect them both.
Love this observation! Never noticed until now but yes NMh never slapped JBC but did so to KPJ which shows how much she cares
OMG THE PREVIEW!! Can’t wait for Sunday!!
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I feel like it’s totally possible the leads are dating in real life and be next OTP like our couple from DOTS
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16 hours ago, kohnlee said:
And NMH is going to get a sum of money from JMR. How about this money eventually coming in to finance KPJ?
That to me would be perfect. Killing one bird with 2 stones. JMR thinks by giving her Money she can get rid of her. But no, she stayed on and help KPJ complete his ‘job’.
what a joy that would be to watch JMR knows the truth and that it was HER money that made it possible for KPJ!
EPIC!
SO EPIC YESSSS! I want this to happen. What irony that’s JMrs money she gives to BMh is same money that screws her over. I would love love loveeeee to see this happen, especially NMh helping KPJ with his revenge heheheh
15 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:Welfare foundation has been used in order to create and feed the slush fund. KPJ knows about the existence of the slush fund but he has never been in charge of it. So NMH will be able at some point to find evidence of the slush fund. Right now, JMR is managing it, before it was JYC's mother. As you can see, the slush fund has always been in the hands of the Jang family. KPJ can not reveal its existence because it would endanger his position.
JKH was the one who created it. That's the reason why JKH asked NGC to commit suicide because the latter received the money from the slush fund. If NGC had confessed that he received the money from the Chairman JHK, then the existence of the slush fund would have been revealed: scandal and JKH would have been condemned. That's another reason why JKH needs to get rid of NMH in the end. She wants to know the truth: where did the money come from aso... For her, her father's wrongdoing doesn't explain everything. Once it is revealed, KPJ can claim that he had no part in it as he was not recognized as a Jang.
Interesting, I didn’t know slush fund in foundation was connected to her dads bribe money but it all makes sense now why she’s interested in it in the first place. What do you think she thought after playing recording to grandpa and JMR? I think she was disappointed he didn’t seem remorseful or apologetic in the least. Maybe if he had, she would let go of playing detective and investigations the foundation. Also, how many sects are there of cheong a? We have cheong a bio, foundation, trading, anything else? Just curious if it’ll be relevant to future happenings revolving cheong a in the show.
@sava2sava I would love that twist where the foundations slush fund actually has a connection to grandmas will. I am curious too if her death was a murder. Wouldn’t put it past him that’s for sure!
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25 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:
I propose these theories
1. First, I would like to remind what the maid said about the necklace: it was given by the grandfather and JSM put it into a frame, until it disappeared. The fact that the necklace was put in a frame and remained there for a long time is weird, just like his sudden disappearance. In my opinion, JSM did it in order to hide his family (JEC and his mother) from his father. I am suspecting that JSM could have asked for a second necklace and put the copy in the frame so that no one would suspect that he already had a son. When JEC's brother was born, the father decided to give the other necklace to the second son hence the necklace in the frame disappeared.
As for the name Jang, this could be an indication that JSM might have been married to JEC's mother but JSM hid it from his father, well aware that his father would not approve his marriage. He knew that his father would only approve a marriage that would benefit Cheong A. KPJ still believes that his mother was the mistress. Let us imagine that it was not the case. JSM was forced to marry JMR and didn't dare to tell his father about his previous marriage. So his marriage with JMR would have been illegal... I can also imagine that JSM must have worked so hard in order to get Cheong A out of crisis so that once it is over, JSM can finally reveal his true family to his father. JMR on the other hand must have been pressured to get pregnant and have a son and tried everything to seduce JSM but she failed. Hence she resorted to use Oh. JSM was well aware of her action hence he decided to reveal the truth to his father. But JKH knew about the existence of the child due to the disappearance of the necklace, however he didn't know the whole truth: JSM had two children and was married to JEC's mother in reality. Since he hates children out of wedlock, he knew that JMR would get rid of them (the so called illegitimate child and her mother). However, I doubt that he would have approved the murder of his grandchildren, if he had known that
- JSM was married to JEC's mother in the first place
- JSM saw them as his legitimate children (the necklaces)
2. I don't think now that he did it but JMR used the occasion (the decision to remove the mask) in order to get rid of JSM. We were given two important info during the last episode:
- JSM's condition was improving a little (Jang Seong Man got aware of it) but JSM thinks that JMR was not informed.
- everyone knew that the grandfather had decided to remove the oxygen mask but JSM didn't die right after.
From my point of view, J Seong Man blames his father for his brother's death hence he mentioned it in front of JKH. Since JMR had duped the chairman and his family (JBC is the son of JSM), she had every reason to get rid of JSM but she was married to JSM and had a child from JSM that's why she is not suspected. She used the removal of the mask as a way to hide her own crime.
I agree with you that JKH used his wife's wealth in order to build his empire that's why I have the impression that JKH could have even lied to his own two sons (poker face). Let just say that once his wife died, it was stipulated that once the sons are grown up, they will inherit the company... the mother must have died, when they were quite young hence the grandfather ruled the company acting as the real successor. From my point of view, the rivalry among the siblings could have been a distraction in order to hide that JKH should have given up the inheritance to his children. This would also explain why JKH is so focused on the legitimity of the children. If an illegitimate child had claimed for the inheritance, the real will of his deceased wife could have been revealed. When it is said that the necklace was given by the grandfather, maybe the necklace belonged to his wife's family... the grandfather was just executing his wife's will. This theory would also give a reason why JKH never remarried after his wife's death because he knew that he would lose his situation.
5. KPJ's revenge goal has changed in my opinion. He still wants to kick out JMR but since JKH hurt NMH and her father, JSM and JYC tried to kill him, JBC has betrayed him, his vendetta is now targeting the whole Jang family and Cheong A. KPJ will reveal JBC's secret but I am suspecting that NMH might discover something at the Cheong A welfare foundation that will shake the chairman's position.
Maid also said (when she told JMR about NMh having necklace) that harabouji made it during his success in construction or something. So either chairman lied and he did get it from wife, or it is originally his as per what maid said.
it does make sense if JEK’s necklace was one in frame and JEC had original since beginning, then the replacement suddenly disappeared cause JEK was born and got second one.
And youre right, JMR is most likely one who killed JSM! But maybe grandpa feels responsible and does blame himself cause of oxygen mask so that’s why he doesn’t protest when his second son says he killed eldest. Did they ever say how JSM ended up in comatose state in first place? Was it car accident? And does KPJ know truth behind his father’s death and that’s why JMR has been his main target till now, cause he knows she had a hand in his father’s death too? Also I thought KPJs mom had died when his little brother died but then we saw how she and him met his step dad afterwards, what happened to his mom, how did she die too?
i totally agree that gpa is distracting kids with this rivalry and politics of power because he doesn’t want to get overthrown of his own spot! I mean his kids are so old now that it’s the grandkids that will be taking over, not even his own son! Grandpa so damn greedy and ambitious, he had to have a generation skipped before giving up his chairman spot!! Ugh I cannot stand him, especially how he treated NMh when she confronted him. He’s such an ughhhhhhhhh!!! I think I hate him more than JMR cause he’s reason she’s gotten so out of hand. If he was a proper elder none of this could have happened.
yes, I think KPJs plan changed a lot after the whole baby mama drama and congressman na’s suicide attempt. His initial plan was that even if JBClooses chairman position, he would still have NMH and a love filled marriage but that plan went haywire after SW revealed truth to NMh and she miscarried again. Then his plan for gaining favor from gpa through cheong a tower and presidential connection went wrong after JYC and dad sabotaged it. A lot of things have not gone according to KPJs plan - finding out JBC not really a jang and then JBC finding out who he really is so not longer eligible as his puppet, NMh still not divorcing JBC after everything like her dad being alive and discovering truth. I think KPJ has learned himself through all this that he can’t control everything or expect it to exactly his way.
also I think he saw true colors of everyone besides JMR after seeing how they treated NMH and SW who is like a mirror of his mom (when JMR asks why he protects SW so much..that’s why imo I did think it was a little funny how KPJ had strangled her as a warning episodes ago and now was frantically looking for her, goes to show his true nature is really a sensitive and kind hearted person). If he didn’t despise JYC and his dad, he does now. And if he didn’t know how much of a monster his gpa is, he knows now after seeing how his gpa was with HJ and his in law na. But now I wonder, if his revenge includes them, what does he have in mind? We know for JMR it’s to make her dream come true-have JBC become chairman and then rip it away from her like the ultimate betrayal he wants to inflict on her. But what about the others?
i forgot about cheong a foundation, but you’re absolutely right. I believe NMh will bring that info to the table and help KPJ by providing that useful intel to him. Maybe YG will help her with accessing it without a password and while doing that, he mentions to her truth about how KOJ protected her, still loves her and basically acts as our shipper in the show to bring our OTP together once and for all
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Shout out to the writers for being pros at cliffhangers!! MF could win an award just for having the best of them each week haha
So chingus, I’m gonna post some discussion questions that may have already been asked or have some of my own speculations underneath. Please try answering them too cause I would love to hear your theories and predictions. I’m gonna ask them based off each character to kinda organize my thoughts right. Also hope this makes you guys think of other questions I didn’t think of.
- Deceased JSM aka father of JEC: How did JEC get the Jang name? What is the story behind his death; who killed him? If he was going to see KPJs mom and even have his dongsaeng and give necklace to JEC while married to JMR, why did he get married in first place?
I don’t have any answers to those questions except that for the marriage art, we do know that JMRs family money helped Cheong A when it was in a financially difficult spot. But I don’t know how KPJs dad was convinced in the first place to go through marriage. I do think it was mentioned that his father was ‘spineless’ and even reminded gpa of JBCs own cowardice (at the beginning of show when gpa said he pitied JBC for having JMR as mom).
- Grandpa: Did he kill his own son? Why did he want Cheong A tower built so badly? What does ‘he still have to do’ when he told congressman na to commit suicide? What will he do now that KPJ revealed he is JEC? Will he remarry Ms Han? When/how will he find out about JBC not being a Jang? What will happen to him by the end of the show?
I am kinda iffy on what his exact involvement is with JSMs death. I do have to say this about KPJs motive behind revealing his identity to gpa-A lot of us, me included, wondered if gpa is gonna accept KPJ into fam. But I think we’re not wondering the right thing because the first a is why KPJ did this in the first place? And I don’t think it was to be brought into the jang family whatsoever. He seems to still want JMR not to know and it’s never been his intention, I believe at least, to be recognized as a Jang. It is his intention to get his revenge, and now that he knows JBC knows, what better revenge than to have the elder already know so JBC doesn’t think he’s aware of he’s big secret and playing everyone by delusionally thinking he’s ahead in this little game of money?
I dont think gpa will remarry ms Han-it’s important to remind ourselves that gpa inherited this company from his WIFE. He’s a fake too cause this ain’t from his own family and if you think about it, JMR and gpa are very alike in that sense where they’re very entitled to things that don’t even really belong to them (I was so angry when she told off NMH after getting necklace from her she’s really a wicked step mother from those scary fairy tales).
I think gpa will find out JBC is not a jang through hanmin daily-KPJ will give info indirectlyto JYC who will use it to throw JBC under bus. May happen when JBC becomes chairman. I hope gpa also finds out his dad is none other than the lowly secretary oh hahah double whammy!
- JSM & JYC: What will happen to JSM and his son at the end of the show?
I would definetly enjoy seeing hanmin daily, the news org they’ve been taking advantage of until no way to help with their little corrupt agenda, actually turn on them and somehow screw them over. I really don’t know what will happen to them, but I don’t see either of them dead at the end of the show. I actually think maybe JSM will take a different route than his father cause already in my opinion I can see how he is not the same as harabouji by how he treats JYC. He is a better father than the grandfather and by that I mean his blood is more important than money. To know what will happen to them, I think we need to first think of what will happen to company....
- cheong a: what will happen to company at the end? Who will become chairman?
we didn’t wait this long in this show not to see KPJs plan come true. I do believe that JBC will become chairman as per KPJs plan it won’t be for long until he takes it from him and banishes JMR out like her dream. I think that JBC will go straight to jail after he gets chairman position.
Cheong A, i could see two ends for this company. The first is that it’s completely destroyed or it’s taken over by talented people instead of jang descendants. The second is that KPJ or a jang, most likely JSM or JYC or maybe even JBC will take over after KPJ completes his revenge plan.
- KPJ: Whats the full plan of KPJs revenge besides making JBC chairman? Will he succeed? What will happen to him at the end?
Could be that KPJ actually stays as chairman but I don’t see him doing that cause that’s not what he wants, even if the other workers at company think he’s most capable and the company strives with him as chairman. He himself wouldn’t be happy and he’s already been in misery past two years getting his revenge going.
a happy ending for KPJ is finally getting to live a comfortable life, most likely back at his real home, and just enjoying life for once instead of focusing on getting back at the ones who destroyed his family.
- JMR, Secretary Oh, JBC, SW, & HJ: what will happen to them in the end? Will JMR find out directly from KPJ that he is JEC or know already before he confronts them?
my hope for their ending is that JBC is in jail but SW visits him and when he’s released she waits for him outside with HJ and they live happily ever after. I would like JMR to be dead and I also don’t see Oh living either because both have murdered so many people. It will be gratifying if she doesn’t know about KPJ till he exposes it himself and I don’t feel like she would even believe it unless he confirmed it himself. She’s so in denial I mean five years ago when Oh showed her those papers, she was absolutely against such a ‘baldande’ notion. Even when JBC mentioned to her in recent episode about KPJ possibly betraying them, it was so far fetched to her that she’s completely under KPJs thumb.
Oh yeah, I just have to say after scene of JBC hearing NMHs ringtone in librar, I could see JBC flashing back to that and suddenly coming up with idea that there’s a secret room. He discovers is and raids vaults, or burns down whole room destroying vaults with everything in it.
- NMH & her family: what will happen to them at the end of the show?
I can see congressman na waking up near the end of the show when NMh knows the full truth (YG maybe tells her the rest that her dad was involved too but KPJ wanted to protect her from getting even more hurt by acting as scapegoat) and forgives him. They also move to countryside and of course, she’s divorced from JBC and even working as a teacher again.
my favorite wish that I hope becomes realit-NMH and KPJ end up together.
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5 hours ago, triplem said:
know there’s a lot talk about whether KPJ & NmH should end up together or not. I know there’s a lot of damage done & too many baggages, but I want them to be the end game .
YESSS chingu you literally read my mind! I didn’t see your post before I wrote what I did in the upper part of this post. (That somehow got all deleted the more I quoted and answered stuff)
4 hours ago, kysy said:So did the grandfather give Jang Soo Man the ok to give his children the Jang surname and if so, why?
I know right, I’m wondering that too. I love how those questions helped brainstorm more questions I never thought about.
4 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:Yes, he did something wrong towards her, yet he always tried to correct his misdeed:
- he gave her the pictures and the info about his identity and JBC's identity
- then he made sure that JBC really loved NMH. He thought, if JBC truly loved NMH, she would live happily.
- Later, when he realized that JBC had betrayed his promise, he punched him and tried to control the damages caused by JBC.
- However, the suicide of her father was the final straw for KPJ. He knew how devastated NMH would be. Moreover, he was disgusted by the Jang family hence he proposed her the divorce.
Exactly. Those are same reasons why I think it’s not baldande (nonsense) if our OTP are endgame
4 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:As a conclusion, I still believe that KPJ and NMH can end up together.
YESSSSSSS!! All aboard the PIL MOO ship!! *boat horns*
Your post also also made me realize somethin; JBC has no knowledge about NMHs first love ‘jo in ho’ So he doesn’t even know the backstory that NMh and KPJ share. He just knows KPJ always had feelings for her five years ago and that everything NMh was attracted to was really what she was into of KPJ (the statement of how watching birds makes him happy, etc etc) an then how NMh asked ‘how is joo’ during car accident and called his name out in her sleep.
3 hours ago, kohnlee said:What was NmH intention for letting grandpa hear the recording? She said she wanted to know the truth but that was so random? Was she trying to get to the bottom quickly and leave the house quickly becos she can no longer stay there?
Stir the pot. I think to them it was supposed to look impulsive and reckless but I think she did it on purpose to seem that way when really she’s being calculative
i want to write more, but unfortunately my post got like cut from quoting too many people and having it be too long so I’m gonna have to try to remember what I wrote (I had quote feisty, and so many others from page 106-107 but they all went away T______T)
i do just have to ask, doesn’t it feel like NMh and JBC aren’t married by how they address each other? Usually it’s yobou but they don’t which is good not complaining just wanted to see if you guys ever thought that too cause it crosses my mind every week once in awhile lol
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@purplebass @triplem wasn’t logged in to post this earlier while reading your live recaps a couple hours ago, but you don’t know how thankful I am to you guys and how much I enjoyed reading them!!!!!
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33 minutes ago, kohnlee said:
They must be so happy that they get to go to a shooting range. They get to cover their ears. It’s freezing cold in SK right now!!! Most of their ears are frozen red.
What is puzzling to me from the preview was, what happened to that necklace. We saw NmH handing it to KPJ and now it seems to be in JMR hand. Is is 8.45pm already???
Thank u in advance to all our recappers, u have no idea how much we appreciate that
I think KPJ lets her keep it because it’s not safe for him to have it (that’s why he burned his brothers after he found it with his bones). NMH, coincidentally having it, hands it to JMR after the maid mentions she has it. Or JMR goes to her room and gets it.
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Do you guys think JMR will already know KPJ is JEC when he reveals it to her or she will find out when KPJ reveals it to her himself? Of course it will be more satisfying if KPJ does it but as we can see secrets are hard to keep in moshimiwon.
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Great preview making me even more excited for new eps. Looks like KPJ and NMH will have secret arrangement where she will keep truth to herself about his identity so she will probably play dumb and just say she found necklace when she was young and helped a young boy from committing suicide. Maybe even spook JMR by saying the kids name is JEC but she never saw him again...
4 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:Because he knows that JMR likes KPJ. He realised it at the hospital. On the other hand, JMR tried to get rid of NHM hence he can't trust her. He knows that his mother wouldn't believe him.
CHINGU!!! Where have you been I miss you!!!
also I agree, I think JBC isn’t telling his mom because she depends on KPJ and relying on her has always equated to relying on KPJ too. I think he wants to prove himself too and by keeping KPJs identity to himself, he can have an upper hand in a way and like when his mom finds out he can just be like oh I know already
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Don’t mind me, just over here refreshing the page waiting for the preview.
to the kdrama gods, thank you for stills and preview to take care of my agonizing wait for new eps!!!
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1 hour ago, lu09 said:
Thank God that they changed it. Sweet Captain YG should stay away from that family. BC's sister also has a big mouth. She would have ruined their plans a long time ago.
Plot twist: YG has been dating her the whole time and that’s how he had access to hospital. He also is one who subliminally had his gf go to fam and mention KPJ dna testing as per KPJs plan.
I do sometimes wonder what YGs and KPJs backstory is, like how they met and why YG is so loyal to KPJ and why KPJ trusts YG so much (he was betrayed by his hyung in the past when he was framed as one who stabbed him instead of JBC). Don’t you guys too? Or was it already explained and I missed something?
2 minutes ago, kysy said:There was no mention of it being a BTS in the article and usually they wouldn't put regular stills and BTS together. I agree with @Prettysup that it's most likely a still from the episode but we may just have to wait and see.
Episode 17 title(caption): Did you know that I'm called the dog of the Cheonga family?
Episode 18 title(caption): Only you, you don't have to move.
Written preview trans(Rough) :
Boo cheon (Jang Seung-jo) wields a knife against Yoon Seo won (Han So-hee) who will hold a press conference! Na Moo-Hyun (Park Se-young) took away Pil-joo's necklace from Mal Ran(Lee Mi-sook)! Meanwhile Boo cheon (Jang Seung-jo) reveals to Secretary Oh(Park Jung-Hak) that his half-brother Jang Eun-cheon is alive and that he is Kang Pil-joo (Jang Hyuk).
I wonder how JMR got KPJ's necklace since NMH handed it to him at the end of the last episode....hmm . KPJ really needs to be careful BC and his father now...
Regular stills are pictures of actual scenes right? Just making sure I’m not getting wrong what stills are. Like if they’re just photos of the actors on set taking a break from a scene.
And woahhh! I’m wondering same thing-how did JMR get her hands on necklace?
also wrong move JBC. Once again shows how you’re step behind KPJ since secretary oh already knows about KPJs true identity. But little do you know JBC while you were puking your brains and guts out cause KPJ is JEC, you should have kept it inside till you found out your dad, who’s a lowly secretary, killed his dongsaeng and mom! Not that it would earn a gag from you since you seem to only be concerned with what would effect you and getting the chairman position.
when summary says ‘wields knife’ does that mean he threatens her or actually stab her (maybe not kill her, just wound her like in past he did with KPJs hyung).
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@kysy is that KPJs character smiling or BTS? If that is on screen, that’s probably the biggest and most genuine smile I’ve ever seen KPJ have in the entire show so far!!
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Poor JBC and KPJ bromance....I think once JBC found out the truth it was a big betrayal for him and that’s why he vomited. I mean I’m still trying to figure out JBCs strong reaction because it wasn’t just a shocked expression and a couple tears. Like it was a mega response with throwing up too, which means he was nauseated or disgusted. Why? Well, if we didn’t have that interview with LMS confirming that her and KPJ are platonic, I would be like JBC knows his mama is getting it on with his step bro! But obviously that’s not the case lol
the knife scene last week seems like a foreshadow to history repeating itself. JBC will stab someone, most likely SW, and then put the blame on KPJ. If/while KPJ is sent to jail, NMH will most likely take over by helping YG continue KPJs revenge plan. After NMH confronted KPJ about his true identity, he confirmed it and NMh found out the truth. (But maybe she still has no idea about the arranged marriage part or how KPJ would go in JBCs place for jail. Just the whole background of KPJ like how his bro was killed by JMR and all that she already knew just didn’t connect the dots till now).
Cheong a tower. This has been put on back burner since congressman na was outed for the money. It was never mentioned why gpa wants cheong a tower but I think maybe it’s a legacy or memorial for Kjs dad, JSM. Or maybe it was JSMs original idea before he died and if gpa want one who took off his oxygen mask, then this is just gpa wanting to fulfill his promise. Or gpa feels guilty for killing son and this is his way of making up for it. I don’t know if this will ever be built or actually happen, seeing as how KPJ didn’t need it to continue plans of making JBC chairman. But I am curious to see how this will be dealt with at the end of the show.
JMR. She’s had two dreams so far about JEC but I forget what they were exactly about except for the last one where I think JEC ‘greets her in front of house. Or was it of KPJ greeting her? I definetly think these will all happen IRL. Did anyone notice KPJs expression when JMR, after her giggle fest, was like I’ll give you anything except chairman position as a reward? I feel like his feelings got a little hurt and he was disappointed. Maybe if she had said you keep chairman position, it would have slightly dissolved his revenge? But what she said just perpetuated it further.
you know what I also noticed? When NMh asked KPJ how did we all three get like this? And then JMR walks in, I think that was symbolic. I feel like JMR is heavily responsible for how all three ended up like this.
Random, but after seeiing NMH meet up with her friend at Ms Hans restararaunt, I can totally see NMh and ms Hans working together haha, or more like I would love to see that lolol
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Was it BN or her boss that switched the USB stick during that boss contest and put the news of CWs parents on presentation?
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They have such good chemistry ahhh why did their bed scene have to be ruined!!
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[Drama 2017-2018] Money Flower 돈 꽃
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I agree, she wasn’t attracted to him when he was a kid cause that’s pedophilia. She’s attracted to him now after spending years togetherness building trust and attachment as master/servant relationship. And lmaoo yes that was so cray when she did that!, NMh was so taken aback like b* really?! After the hell I went through finding out about the truth of my dad and thus marriage, you really think KPJ is at the top of my list right now? Tune in to reality plz and Get your priorities straight!
Sorry to cut post chingu, but to your question I would love to JMR to have money problems cause that’s just another reason for her to be powerless now that her right hand man is dead, the elder knows her birth secret, and she gave half of her shares to KPJ. I don’t know if her hesitation with NMh us because she can’t afford it, or she’s so greed and clingy with her money that she can’t bear to give it to anyone especially NMH that she has pegged as her little tool to making her son chairman and not a nuisance she has to pay out of pocket for. Remember the dirvode document? I feel like she ripped it up after she saw how JBC would only get 24 mill and NMh would get 50 mill if they divorced. Lol if she didn’t have money problems, she def gonna have it now in upcoming episodes!!