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The only three dramas of him I wouldn't recommend are Iris 2, The Merchant and now maybe WOL, even though I love Chilsung. I could give my reasons for disliking these three dramas, but to be honest, I'm a little lazy :p and we all have such different taste. I completely disagree with Fiesty on this. I have followed other actors and artists and it is hard to find one that has had more than 2 or 3 works that could be called a masterpiece. Jang Hyuk has done so much more good work than bad (regardless of ratings or box office success) that I find him an exception. He is truly a gem and the fact that he keeps doing works that captivate me is why I still follow him. Fated to love you, Beautiful Mind, Money Flower happened after Iris2 and they are all amazing in their own style. WOL is terrible for my taste but Chilsung is adorable. Also, what is the difference in ratio of success or quality prior to Iris2? I think his works prior to that were also up and down in quality. SSBG was a success and it was cute but to me it wasn't what you would call "high quality" Daemang on the other hand, was really good, of course with the limitations of the production values of those times. Thank You was amazing, Robbers is my guilty pleasure but failed in ratings, Tazza, I loved it, but was it far superior to any of his current work? And Chuno was a masterpiece, but so is Money Flower. So these ups and downs, happened before, still happen and will continue to happen as long as Jang Hyuk keeps working (May God bless dramaland with his work for a long long time). Luck or bad or good decisions notwithstanding, I want to be the kind of fan Jang Hyuk mentioned on his fan meeting. I continue to support him, because besides being talented (above average in my opinion) he loves his craft, he is so passionate and hardworking,that I feel confident that if I don't like one work, I might like the next, or maybe the next. Because half of the odds are already covered (We know he will always do his best) so whenever he gets paired up with good writing and directing, its a WIN. I also hope he does a good movie but I am not disappointed with the excellent work he has done and continues to do in kdramas. All the good vibes to bad papa

I know some people might've dropped the drama because JH has very little screen time, but that's not the only reason. Some people find it slow, boring, not interesting OTP (and they are the center of everything, so if a person doesn't like them, there isn't much to look forward to) Others never got into this type of humor. Honestly, if Jang Hyuk was making a cameo here but the drama was actually really good, it wouldn't affect its popularity. I think the problem for the majority here, is the writing. However, I know there's people still enjoying the drama (You can find them mostly on Dramabeans), and they will hopefully feel encouraged to talk about it here too.

Well, to be honest those eye wrinkles were there more prominently in SoGC and I think even in his 30s they were already noticeable as well as eye bags. He hasn't "aged" dramatically after military service though. But he does look "younger" or "older" depending on various factors such as makeup, lighting and possibly filters. Money Flower's PD made sure he looked amazing. His weight also is a factor. When he loses weight his wrinkles become more obvious. Still, I find his wrinkles so sexy and in person he looks younger, (but that has a lot to do with his demeanor, more than his skin, his attitude is "youthful")

Yes, it has taken me longer than it did for you! (I think you are not all caught up with the drama?) I'm not going to spoil you but I believe now, you are on the right track, regarding the way the two guys see her and treat her and this is what will ultimately trigger her response. Hint: She does not want more over-protection as she has had it all her life, and in the end it only made her weak and vulnerable. I think its something to do with that...

LOL! Did you watch a rated R version of this drama? LOL They actually didn't spend the night. They decided not to after having a conversation in the car. The most that happened was a kiss. Yes, at some point I thought this could be the case. I imagined DCS being kind of hot-headed like Poong when he was younger lol. Although now DCS is the most zen gangster ever! but maybe it was life experiences that has given him some wisdom and patience. OR it could be the opposite, an opposites attract thing? Because in the present they are both very different, DCS is cool and calm and Poong is fiery and impulsive? And they have some things in common, like, honesty, loyalty, passion, hard work, a big heart, some loneliness and a craving to love and be loved. Awww cuties! Greasy bromance forever!

Yes tht's also me, I don't remember exactly why I couldn't recover that one. DSW right now annoys me very much. I have many thoughts about her but I am so sleepy that I don't even want to get started on her. All I'll say is, I'm not sure if the writer is presenting her "honesty" as a good feature or not at this point. DCD is direct and honest but so far he has not hurt anyone. DSW "doesn't sugar coat things" but is rude and hurtful. For whatever reason, be it she wants to push someone away or be it she is mad at the person and wants to hurt them (like she did with Poong's dumplings criticism) and its not what she does (rejecting DCD WAS the right thing to do, being honest about Poong's food WAS the right thing to do) but the way she does it that makes her seem so obnoxious to me. She also has a childish demeanor that I found sorta cute in small doses but is tiring me. I love Jung Rye Won but Im not 100% sure Im enjoying this aspect of her characterization. Instead of rooting for her "sort of" feminist statements, like I normally would, I found her words empty, shallow, imposed and out of place. All her talk about "I don't want men to tell me what to do"! What men are telling her what to do? Is she now reacting to her dad who probably told her what to do when he supported her economically and she was only a "woman-child"? Am I supposed to infer that her mom represents what DSW would've turned into if life never turned sour for her? A spoiled helpless woman? I kinda sorta "understand"the message but I'm not sure. Why didn't she defend hersef when Poong kept yelling at her but is now acting all proud? And lastly, her attitude towards DCS is the most annoying. Whatever cuteness was between them got lost. She is choosing to only remember "the times she rejected him" and not the times she said " Awww why are you forgetting your crush so fast? Ahjussi, wait for me"" So NOW DCS is sort of a nuissance to her and he gets scolded for not properly forgetting about her. Like its so easy! Especially when you are given mixed messages! And no, the excuse that "the writer wanted to keep the triangle going" doesnt make it any less annoying to me Now the writer decided to change her tune abruptly and DSW looks more like a psycho than ever. Oh yeah NOW she is "honest" and we "Admire" her so much, because "It is her choice what matters after all" So I'm kinda glad the writer gave me at least the pleasure of seeing her exposed by Maeng Dal for her rude and callous behaviour, and I'm glad Poong friendzoned her with mixed messages. See how much she likes his honesty! I'm not sure if the writer will make the character ever mature enough to at least owning up to her mistakes and to see how what she did/does is not nice. Also, she was all "It's my choice" Well guess what, not it's Poong's choice So whatever, he will cave to his attraction most likely soon but at least she got to suffer "rejections" a little. The new loveline for DCS might or might not work. But his love for DSW doesn't have to be undying love especially since its unrequited. Otherwise, is DCS supposed to be a masocquist? DSW being her only love in forever sounds very romantic but she is never going to love him back so I don't care anymore. I'm not going to dismiss the idea of this new relationship until I see how that progresses. I hope they make it convincing because DCS is the only character I still can "feel" completely. A dream I have is for DCS to choose to protect his heart from DWS, tell her she doesn't owe him any money because he'd rather not see her face again, so take the money as a gift and Kaaaa! at least from his life and presence. But that will never happen. DCS is still too whipped by her.

This is so funny! You make a very good point. Many times I've felt the drama just rushes and forces the relationships. I can't pinpoint if its the script, plot or editing, but something has always felt choppy and rushed. Why does Chilsung do so much for Poong? Is it because the script says so? Its a good question and I don't have a really good answer myself. What I can say is that, for some reason, as soon as they met, I didn't feel antagonism from Chilsung's side towards Poong, which let me to believe, at that time, that Chilsung saw something in Poong. I remember he said he was a jerk, but something in his demeanor showed me, Poong caught his attention in a positive way. At first he was trying to mediate between him and his "boys", later when Poong asked him for money, Chilsung was actuallly gentle, telling him not to borrow money from a gangster. Maybe he saw something in him, his idealism and innocence perhaps? as he said later? Also Poong is so hardworking, passionate about his work and does not give up easily. Then he sees his gangster boys being dependent on him, I had the feeling (of course this is me guessing) that he wishes his guys were more like Poong,

Hi, it’s me again! Now that I've recovered my password, I'll be spamming you! lolol (no worries, I won't, just let me get these things out of my system) Today has been a quiet day at work so I have some time to think about the drama. Here are some thoughts and possible topics of discussion (more than rants) Despite my current boredom there are moments that I care about this drama, at least enough to try to understand the characters and speculate what the writer might be trying to say or where the story might be going The triangle took a lot of the focus and it has been tedious and felt repetitive but, I guess the character’s reactions have revealed at least to a certain extent part of their personalities as they have been sort of “put to the test” At the same time, their reactions and the consequences reveal some of what the writer is trying to communicate through them So, let’s start with the easiest and move on to the most complex or hard to understand, for me Chilsung, I start with him because to me he is a pretty transparent character. His goals and motivations are simple and to be honest, as the supporting character that he still is, we don’t know that much about him (but we want to know more) From what we’ve learned in the drama Chilsung is super loyal, knows how to work in a team, knows how to be a leader, and is caring and like a father “Godfather” figure for everyone, although his guys don’t seem to listen to him all the time But what does he want? What does he dream and why does he seem so desperate to fall in love and be loved? He fell in love at first sight. To some this may be a trope and a boring one (I’m not a fan of the trope myself) because love at first sight is simply attraction, how can a person “love” someone they don’t know? But love at first sight also implies, a romantic nature. It implies the person is looking to love and be loved, hence they fall in love with an idealized version of the person (its an infatuation, an attraction that may or may not develop into something deeper) But the thing is, DCS actually fell in love (for real) as soon as she called him Mr Light. That’s when his crush turned into something deeper, for him. This is another trope, where a person who has a bad perception of himself “I’ve been in jail three times. I’m not someone you should like” finds acceptance outside of his circle by a “decent” person, who sees beyond his “badness”. Someone who sees the “good” in him. And this person inspires him to be the best version of himself, etc Chilsung is not a saint, he is not simply a “good guy”. Being good for him is not simple and will continue to be an effort because he has had a life where he probably did very questionable things. So he is a sinner on the mend, making his best effort to lead an honest life. It can’t be easy, and his past will always come back to make his efforts difficult. Notice how he smiles every time anyone tells him he is a good man. DSW, saw him as something beyond the “boss” and now it will be very difficult for him to let her go in his heart. Since he is very direct and honest (although not hurtful) we know this for a fact because he has spelled it out. That’s the good thing about Chilsung, he never hides anything. I think he has the same dream he dreams for his people “To get married and have kids. Live a peaceful family life”. Such a simple dream and yet, possibly the hardest to achieve for some (Us 4everAlone individuals, understand this poor dude and his unrequited love) Another thing I read sometimes is that DSW has been clear with him and therefore DCS should not insist. Please, don’t let your prejudice blind you here. We need to admit and remember that DSW was NEVER clear with him up until the second rejection after the kiss, which is when it became quite obvious, the writer decided to end the triangle. Before that; Who was the one who asked DCS “Why did your one-sided love end so soon”? Who asked him for his cell phone number when he was trying to keep their relationship strictly professional? Who kept giggling and winking and calling him Mr Light? She can’t pretend to be innocent because she KNEW from day 1, the gangster was attracted to her! You don’t do that to a guy who has explicitly declared they like you and expect no reaction from him! Who then humiliated him by farting to his face and told him “Don’t like me” but then went and continued winking and smiling at him? Who then said “I don’t not like you, but I like Poong better, but wait for me ahjussi?” It was her her her and 100 times her. So don’t go blaming Chilsung for falling in love. This last time, she was finally clear and Chilsung has not “bothered” her again. He is hurt and figuring things out and will probably need some time to adjust but I don’t imagine him aggressively pursuing her since he never did it before. He has been super respectful of her and yet she keeps acting rude towards him. I felt good and vindicated when Maeng Dal exposed her horrible audio. I felt embarrassed for her and even for poor Chilsung but she deserved this. I wish Chilsung stopped tolerating her rudeness btw. It’s not nice. Poong, he has gone through a lot and that put him in a state of desperation that made him adopt a very irritating attitude. His arrogance and grumpy nature, came to the forefront as a defense mechanism. But it was mostly a phase. It’s sort of like all these bad things that happened to him brought the worse out of him, and even then he managed to sometimes, get out of his own head and his self-pity and was able to feel compassion and empathy for the noodle guy, Saewo’s mom when she was asking to work at the restaurant, etc After the betrayal he suffered he could easily not trust anyone ever again. Yet, he is already trusting again, forming friendships. I’m one of those who couldn’t stand his yelling but I understood why he was angry like that. That anger is what pushed him to continue living at least at first. The alternative would’ve been a paralyzing depression. I was particulary bothered when he started yelling at Saewoo especially because she was simply taking it (I don’t like abuse from men or women). I’m glad that dynamic Is over. Poong is slowly at least progressing. He is still grumpy but his good qualities are surfacing and becoming more obvious. He is slowly but surely embracing his new family. This brings us to the bromance with CS which is in my opinion, the one relationship in this drama that has evolved slowly and organically. Certain “situations” have pushed it forward so we could argue they were also kinda “forced” (the hair washing and breakfast, for example) but it “felt” good. At least I bought it. I know some people are frustrated with Poong because he decided not to pursue a relationship with Saweoo in order not to hurt Chilsung. We need to consider a few things a) The OTP needs an obstacle and this is one, that for once, doesn’t feel forced This action reveals one of the good qualities of Poong, his loyalty and capacity for gratitude. He truly didn’t deserve to be betrayed by those ex friends at the hotel restaurant c) The tape where DSW rejects DCS must’ve shocked him. It was very humiliating and Poong knows first hand what it means to be rejected and how much it hurts. There is no way he didn’t feel a level of identification for DCS at this point. d) That OTP haven’t even started their “love” relationship, so it’s not super hard to simply decide to not pursue. d) Even if Poong is already over his ex (hard to buy, but anyway) I am sure there are some lingering feelings he needs to resolve regarding her. e) I’m guessing his love/attraction for her will become so strong that he won’t resist pursuing the relationship soon-ish, he or Saweoo will most likely face CS, and once that’s resolved, another obstacle will arise. And this leads us to DSW, the character that frustrates me most at the moment despite my love for the actress playing her. I’ll write about her later because I’m tired and this is too long already

I know, I said the same thing, although I don't really mean it I'm not sure how they could justify that without making a further mess both on the screen and behind the scenes (where there is no mess, thank God)

Hi everyone! Im Dramafan/It’sMeDF on twitter. I’ve talked to a few of you over there and also I own the blog Stuck on Hyuk along with a friend (our poor dusty baby we need to get back to it) Anyway I always read you, but I didn’t remember my password so I was only lurking. But, I recovered it and I felt like sharing my thoughts/rants on this drama. Disclaimer and summary of this rant: I’m still watching for Jang Hyuk’s character but I got bored with everything else. My expectations are now very low but I’m still trying to see the light. I know this opinion won’t be popular with those who are liking the OTP story. You guys are the lucky ones, since this drama focused entirely on that. But for those of us who are not feeling them, this is a major drag (that is really the bottomline) I won’t say If this drama is good or bad. I can only say what it makes me feel. I liked it at first, as I was getting adjusted to its quirky humor and waiting for some character development and plot. I feel like I’m still waiting and that’s the problem. All the characters seem promising but they are going around in circles and we don’t get to know anything new about any of them (except only slightly, the three leads). I know many people find meaning in the whole drama, since it has a lot hidden messages, and symbolism, parallels, etc. I understand the triangle guessing game was fun for some while it lasted but I am tired. Basically, that is what this drama is to me, exhausting. 1.- Cooking scenes are too long and feel draggy. I usually love cooking videos but these are excessively long. I know the ones among the OTP were supposed to bring them closer, and are full of messages and some innuendo maybe, but I have not been able to make myself care about them (no offense to the fans of this couple, we all have our taste) 2.- Bias is a thing and I’m not going to claim I don’t have it, but even though I’m watching this for Jang Hyuk mostly, I also love the supporting cast. Lee Mi Sook is a Queen and while I admire her ability to create two very different characters, I still wonder, what is the point of her characters? Same with every character imo. I really WANTED to like this drama for everyone involved. It’s just, difficult. 3.- I dreamed of Jung Ryeo Won working with Jang Hyuk someday, and so far, their scenes have been delightful in terms of performance. They are both great charismatic actors and very in synch acting wise. But I accept they are not the OTP and the triangle was dragging everything else. So I’m glad its over, but I’m not glad that the writer seems to be improvising this plot as she goes. She gets stuck in places and whenever she moves, is at a snail’s pace. 4.- Jang Hyuk’s performance as a sad puppy kills me time and time again. I am bored, but whenever he does that, I feel him. The power of his extremely expressive and beautiful eyes. Also, I still love his character and I consider that a blessing. Hopefully the writer will allow him to keep being adorable. 5.- I find it funny when non-DCS fans ask that his character gets killed or disappears along with the gangster storyline to allow for more OTP scenes and romance. Really? I know it’s a matter of taste but the fight scenes are 100 times more exciting than the cooking scenes. Kill him and the drama becomes even more boring imo. Also, his sole purpose shouldn’t be to be in service of the other two leads. He was supposed to be a third lead! If he was only there as Godfather, they could’ve casted any other supporting actor and not put him in the posters. He doesn’t even have as much screen time as the others, so I really don’t understand how the OTP fans want even MORE OTP moments. 6.- If the OTP wasn’t so boring (to me) and if they had not forced every initial encounter, hammering in our heads how “fated” they were, I’d probably be on board and complaining less. It’s not the actors fault, even without chemistry a well written development would’ve made them convincing. Chemistry is in the eye of the beholder too. Many of you see it, and that’s great. Congratulations! It means you are probably not as bored as I am. But even if I was on board with the OTP, I would still be concerned about the lack of development for the great supporting cast. 7.- I don’t care about ship wars or fan wars. I only want this writer to get her act together! I didn’t like her Pasta, but her Miss Korea was close to a masterpiece to me. And she was excellent at giving all characters importance and depth. Why is it that all her characters here feel so shallow and undeveloped despite the great cast she has on her hands? What’s up with the PD as well? 8.- I’m not into the OTP but I accept it, can we now move on and develop the rest of the stories in a more organic and natural way? Or are we stuck with wok ladle wok ladle wok ladle chants for the rest of the drama while the rest of the characters, stare and either cheer or cry? Anyway, this is already too long lol! I have some other thoughts and actual “somewhat” random analysis on the characters, despite my being bored I can’t stop doing that when I watch a drama and since we are all in this together (some loving, some not) we might as well, share our views and impressions Talk to you later