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[JJChastity]

Watching the press conference again, I found the longer version subbed.

Then I just realize they made separate press interview between the supporting characters and the four main characters (Hae Soo, 4th, 8th, and 3rd Prince). The later I could only found Joon Gi's part subbed. Does anyone has the full interview subbed?

 

 

[ruizaio]

1 hour ago, liddi said:

I have been wondering for quite a while about how the ranking of the royal consorts work in Goryeo.

The Joseon dynasty seems a lot more similar to their Chinese counterpart, with one Queen consort to whom the rest of the consorts are subject to. However, for Goryeo, we see several queens at the same time. The C-subs which are usually extremely clear in the translations of rank, align with the English subs in addressing both Queen Yoo and Queen Hwangbo as 王后 (queen), effectively putting them on a similar ranking. @ruizaio or anyone else familiar with Korean history, can you please help to explain the level of the consorts within the Goryeo family? Queen Yoo appears to outrank Queen Hwangbo in terms of authority, yet ostentatiously they hold the same position. Are they the same rank? Or does the seniority come with who was raised to be queen first? From what I have seen, not all consorts who gave birth to princes were automatically promoted to queens, so how do they gain that title?

 

Women had more rights during Goryeo than Joseon such as having the same inheritance as their brothers. The multiple queens were considered to be of the same rank in theory. Wang Geon had three wives (first one had no children, second one had the CP, and third one is our evil queen Yu) before he became king, so all three of them became queens. Then he married Lady Hwangbo (Wook1 and Queen DM's mother) and Lady Kim (Woo2 - Baek Ah's mother), who were not queens in their life time, but were promoted later when their grandchildren became king. I couldn't find any info about when Queen 6 (whose daughters married Jeong and Wook1) became queen, but she was from the same clan as Queen 1 who was childless, so it is speculated that Wang Geon married her so that he could have children related to that clan.

MLSHR took some creative license here. Historically, Lady Hwangbo wasn't really queen, and her clan was really powerful, although not as powerful as the Yu clan (Hwangju is in North Korea, while Chungju is in the middle of South Korea - a more strategically important location). Queen 2, the mother of the Crown Prince, was from clan Oh, so Court Lady Oh may be based on her. In fact, some Korean fans wondered if she was the birthmother of the CP at first. 

Generally, only queens lived in the palace with the king, and the other Ladies lived in their own homes with their clans. It seems in MLSHR, many of the wives were still living close to the palace since at least their names come up so often. Except for the crazy Lady Kang. In history, she seems to have cared enough for So to arrange the marriage with the Hwangbo princess so that he could have the support of 3 strong clans (Yu, Shinju, and Hwangbo). 

Later, it is supposedly a member of this Shinju Kang clan that puts Wook2 (Baek Ah) and one of Wook1's daughter's illegitimate child on the throne, so that tells you something about the Kang clan. They lived near the Northern border, and were known for their military prowess in defending the kingdom.

Edit: YH's line that she doesn't want to marry Yo because she doesn't want to be his third wife and not a queen therefore is inaccurate. 

[ruizaio]

11 minutes ago, sooji28 said:

Hi chingudeul.

Did SBS officially announce that 14th episode will not air?

Could someone inform me about the news?

tag @ruizaio @liddi and @LyraYoo

 

It depends on when the baseball game ends. So we won't find out until Monday.

[SizzlerZ]

@millie10468 do you know when this will be confirmed? I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE BASEBALL MATCH! GIVE ME EPISODE 14 ON MONDAY!!!

[JJChastity]

While this is the full raw.

 

Has anyone ever find it fully subbed?

Why did they only sub the 13 minutes part with the supporting casts.

[violet90]

okay so on SBS side it will depend on how long the baseball match going to run...

but if that the case how about the international side.. ??? this is so confusing.. i wish they just delayed it all together rather to see how the long the match is.. now the rating might get effected and also if international side continue with their broadcasting its mean SBS will left behind 1 eps... its a MESS!!!

[penelop3]

22 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

 

Women had more rights during Goryeo than Joseon such as having the same inheritance as their brothers. The multiple queens were considered to be of the same rank in theory. Wang Geon had three wives (first one had no children, second one had the CP, and third one is our evil queen Yu) before he became king, so all three of them became queens. Then he married Lady Hwangbo (Wook1 and Queen DM's mother) and Lady Kim (Woo2 - Baek Ah's mother), who were not queens in their life time, but were promoted later when their grandchildren became king. I couldn't find any info about when Queen 6 (whose daughters married Jeong and Wook1) became queen, but she was from the same clan as Queen 1 who was childless, so it is speculated that Wang Geon married her so that he could have children related to that clan.

MLSHR took some creative license here. Historically, Lady Hwangbo wasn't really queen, and her clan was really powerful, although not as powerful as the Yu clan (Hwangju is in North Korea, while Chungju is in the middle of South Korea - a more strategically important location). Queen 2, the mother of the Crown Prince, was from clan Oh, so Court Lady Oh may be based on her. In fact, some Korean fans wondered if she was the birthmother of the CP at first. 

Generally, only queens lived in the palace with the king, and the other Ladies lived in their own homes with their clans. It seems in MLSHR, many of the wives were still living close to the palace since at least their names come up so often. Except for the crazy Lady Kang. In history, she seems to have cared enough for So to arrange the marriage with the Hwangbo princess so that he could have the support of 3 strong clans (Yu, Shinju, and Hwangbo). 

Later, it is supposedly a member of this Shinju Kang clan that puts Wook2 (Baek Ah) and one of Wook1's daughter's illegitimate child on the throne, so that tells you something about the Kang clan. They lived near the Northern border, and were known for their military prowess in defending the kingdom.

Edit: YH's line that she doesn't want to marry Yo because she doesn't want to be his third wife and not a queen therefore is inaccurate. 

 

Wow this is amazing. Thanks to @ruizaiofor the detail explanation. Now we know how much is the story deviates from history to adjust the novel.

Do you have a background history on what happen during So's reign? I remember reading somewhere that the first and second part of his term, he's doing okay, beloved even. Only during the end of his term, he started to kill of several (not many) of his relatives who are planning to revolt. 

No?

[Visually-wandering]

3 minutes ago, violet90 said:

okay so on SBS side it will depend on how long the baseball match going to run...

but if that the case how about the international side.. ??? this is so confusing.. i wish they just delayed it all together rather to see how the long the match is.. now the rating might get effected and also if international side continue with their broadcasting its mean SBS will left behind 1 eps... its a MESS!!!

 

Where can i see the news dear?? Official announcement?

[violet90]

1 minute ago, Visually-wandering said:

Where can i see the news dear?? Official announcement?

 

its not official but allkpop release the news... so we not going to get the confirmation whether its delayed or not.. its all depend on how long the match are... 

we will know on monday i guess....

[Shiro_Ragonjan]

 

Can anyone translate what did Wang Yo and Soon Deok comment to LJK?

[ruizaio]

9 minutes ago, penelop3 said:

 

Wow this is amazing. Thanks to @ruizaiofor the detail explanation. Now we know how much is the story deviates from history to adjust the novel.

Do you have a background history on what happen during So's reign? I remember reading somewhere that the first and second part of his term, he's doing okay, beloved even. Only during the end of his term, he started to kill of several (not many) of his relatives who are planning to revolt. 

No?

Yes, the first 7 years of his reign were calm, and I think he was waiting for his position to be secure before he started out weakening the clans and removing all possible threats to his throne. 

[UnniSarah]

1 hour ago, Chickpea said:

Greetings, Chingu...

Just watched Ep. 13 again simply because there's nothing else on television on the internet worth watching...  Some thoughts and pardon me if I repeat something that has already been said...  I'm way, way behind...

Just a couple of random thoughts...  the preview for Ep. 14 seems to show WS marrying the CP's daughter, at least that's what the translation seems to say.  That would hold true to the history, if I'm not mistaken.  A child bride and in this scenario she will be his first wife, not his second.  Along these lines, it would put WS in line to inherit the throne after the CP.  Then I'm also thinking that the reason Taejo permitted WS to be sent away to the Krazy Kangs was because he knew he had only two sons who were born under a "kingly constellation" and he "chose" the CP so he had to remove WS and have him raised not-as-a-royal so as to insure So was no threat to the CP since he was actually the only threat to the CP.  On some level it seems the CP and So understood this which is why So defends the CP and why the CP puts him in line to inherit the keys to the Kingdom...

I'm thinking about So saying BaekAh was the only brother HS couldn't be in infatuation with since he liked Baekdo and didn't want to have to kill him.  It is fitting, then, that its BaekAh who So goes to for help in bringing back the CP...  And I hope he never has to kill him...  

I'm sad to see the change in WW, how he went from disinterested jerk to a nice guy in love to a calculating, scheming son of a female dog... but then YH is just like him so maybe its in the genes which means Queen Hwang was always more of a threat than Queen Yoo...

Well, that's it until Monday... Ciao, ciao...

@ChickpeaChingu, you are correct  Queen Hwang was always a threat that is why Queen Yoo framed her so she can get kicked out of the palace. In order to come back WW needed a powerful clan to back him so can go back to the palace. I think Yeonhwa always wanted the throne because she was just like her mom. WW pretended to. It want the throne so he use his time, donated a lot of stuff, treated his wife with care and he was nice to the help.  

I can't remember which episode it was but I believe that WW sees his servants as servants not people. The reason why I am positive now is because he allowed YH to be veryyyyyu abusive to them. I certainly did not like the look he gave CR when she begged WW to save her. I believe CR appearing like was due to the 9th prince and truthful chingu's, i reallllly hate that Yoon Sun Woon played that role and I am at awe at how well he played that role. He is so talented for making me hate his character so deeply 

[qwenli]

40 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

 

It depends on when the baseball game ends. So we won't find out until Monday.

I am quite sure the international version will still go on.

Is the HISTORIC day going to happen that overseas get to watch the drama first before local Korea?. Interesting....very interesting...

[violet90]

but on the lighter note.....

if international side don't change anything i pretty sure eps 14 will air like usual... also i google (LOL i did do this) baseball game match usually up to 2.5 and 3 hours.. so if its finish early than SBS will air it like usual...

lets make a prayer circle.......... please just finish that baseball game early!!!!!!!! 

[qiwishindi]

so chaeryung is gonna be a traitor????

[qwenli]

22 minutes ago, Shiro_Ragonjan said:

 

Can anyone translate what did Wang Yo and Soon Deok comment to LJK?

Jonghyun asked when they are going for drinks again and zhera say hope they will have a chance to eat hotpot together again. Strangely, she wrote in Chinese!! Wat is she trying to prove?

The funny thing is joongi told kang hanna on ig that they should have a grp gathering.

So cute this group.

[violet90]

Just now, qwenli said:

I am quite sure the international version will still go on.

Is the historic day going to happen that overseas get to watch the drama first before local Korea?. Interesting....very interesting...

 

i think so too... there is no way international side will change all their schedule just to match SBS.. also SBS have to wait the match to end....

interesting indeed but SBS want the revenue from baseball match more so i pretty sure they already prepared with the loss of their rating.... money come first.......

[berny]

SBS don't you dare !

You want to know the fury of eclipsers scorned!

We need the episodes this monday, or else i am starting a revolt, even if you charge me with treason !!

[Angiiee]

3 hours ago, fuyukoneko said:

Could someone provide a rough translation of next episode's summary?

8일 SBS 월화드라마 ‘달의 연인-보보경심 려’(조윤영 극본/ 김규태 연출/ 이하 달의 연인) 측은 오는 10-11일 방송 예정인 14-15회에 앞서 다미원의 수장으로 금의환향한 해수(이지은 분)의 스틸을 공개했다.

귀족이었던 해수는 황제 태조 왕건과의 혼인을 피하기 위해 황제를 비롯한 황실 일가의 심신을 돌보는 다미원의 궁녀가 됐다. 해수는 차를 비롯한 세욕, 몸 단장 등 각종 수발을 드는 다미원에서 오상궁(우희진 분)의 가르침과 애틋한 사랑 속에서 각종 서적을 섭렵하며 실력을 다져왔었고, 당시 정윤(황태자)이었던 새 황제 혜종(김산호 분)의 병증을 살피며 총애를 받은 바 있다.

제작진에 따르면 황궁 암투에 휘말려 갖은 고초를 겪고 교방 무수리로 전락했던 해수는 혜종의 명에 따라 최고상궁으로 책봉됨과 동시에 다미원의 수장이 돼 그의 병을 돌보게 된다. 옆에서 항상 그를 지키던 4황자 왕소(이준기 분) 역시 황궁에서 생활이 예고돼 이들의 로맨스도 기대를 모은다.

무엇보다 오상궁의 뒤를 잇게 된 해수는 아무 것도 모르던 철 없던 지난 시절의 발랄함 대신 오상궁의 유언과 가르침에 따라 조심스러운 언사와 행동, 말 그대로 황궁 사람이 다 된 모습으로 시선을 강탈할 예정이다.

특히 공개된 사진 속 해수는 오상궁의 늘 지니고 다녔던 지휘봉을 두 손에 쥐고 다미원 곳곳을 누비고 살피는 등 한층 성숙해진 모습이 눈길을 사로잡는다. 깊어진 눈빛과 흐트러짐 없는 자태는 물론, 성숙한 여인의 향기까지 풍겨내 아름답다는 말이 절로 나올 정도.

그런 가운데 해수가 거리를 두겠다고 선언한 8황자 왕욱(강하늘 분)의 사가에서 그의 수발을 들었던 몸종 채령(진기주 분)의 다미원 궁녀 입성도 눈길을 사로잡는다. 채령은 8황자 왕욱의 배려 속에서 다미원에 입성, 해수 옆에서 그를 돕는다는 것이 제작진의 설명.

‘달의 연인’ 측은 “황궁에서 많은 일을 겪은 해수가 다미원의 수장이 돼 한층 성숙해진 모습을 보여줄 예정으로, 4황자 왕소와의 깊어지는 로맨스를 만나볼 수 있다”면서 “또한 아직 끝나지 않은 황권 다툼의 소용돌이로 인해 황궁의 중심에서 파란만장한 사건들을 마주하게 된다. 해수의 운명을 함께 지켜봐 달라”고 전했다.

http://m.entertain.naver.com/read?oid=109&aid=0003408517&lfrom=twitter

 

The team of the SBS Monday-Tuesday drama MLSHR showed on the 8th, today, the preview stills of episode 14 and 15 that will be broadcasted on the 10th and 11th.

Lee Ji Eun enters Damiwon and is welcomed upon the Emperor's new rise to the throne. Lee Ji Eun, who went through a lot of hardship, is now appointed as the head of Damiwon by the new Emperor. Her gaze is deeper and her posture shows less clumsiness. All in all, her more mature look has caught our attention.

Hae Soo, who was a noble lady, tried to avoid marrying King Taejo, so she was delegated to the position of a palace maid at Damiwon. Hae Soo worked at Damiwon, which helps serve tea, clean bodies, makeup, and do other errands. Hae Soo, at the Damiwon which does all these things, was loved and taught well by Oh Sanggung; she studied all kinds of books and practiced her skills in these areas. Also, she previously took care of the new Emperor, then Crown Prince, of his skin disease, and therefore received favor.

According to the producing team, Hae Soo who went through all kinds of difficulties because she was swept up in political fights, has now been appointed to Chaego Sanggung, and leader of Damiwon, to take care of the new Emperor's disease. The Fourth Prince who was always next to her is also going to live in the palace, so their romance is being anticipated.

Hae Soo, who will succeed Oh Sanggung, is no longer the clumsy naive girl she used to be. Rather, she has followed Oh Sanggung's last will and teaching to become much more cautious in her actions and words. In other words, she shows that she has now become a total palace person.

Especially in the pictures shown, Hae Soo is shown using the wand that Oh Sanggung used to use, going around all over Damiwon and inspecting the work being done by her subordinates; her maturity will be shown. Her deeper gaze, her confident posture and her mature womanhood induces the word "beautiful".

Among all of this, the Eighth Prince whom Hae Soo is trying to stay away from, has brought in his favored maid from outside, Chae Ryung. Chae Ryung is going to, along with Hae Soo, take care of the Eighth prince.

The MLSHR team said the following: Hae Soo, who has gone through much hardship at the palace, has now become the head of Damiwon and is planning to show much more maturity. Moreover, her romance with the Fourth Prince will deepen. 

Throughout all of this, there will continue to be a fight for the throne and this will continue to give us interesting events. 

At the same time as the 14th episode, which is supposed to play on the 10th, the 2016 Pro Baseball Wild Card Finals will be playing. Therefore there is a chance that the broadcast will be cancelled.

 

 

translation by: my Korean boyfriend LOL

[zi4r]

@KdramaSwimmer  Happy to be of service, chingu.  **bows**  We do whatever we can to enhance our enjoyment of the perfection of these men, don't we? 

I dunno a thing about cricket but -Mr 360 of KDrama land- that's one cool nickname.

 

@Hanazumi & @littleloony  So nice to know you all appreciate the action-sequence post.

 

@littleloony  I am an action nuts too, but only as a critic. As in, I don't particularly enjoy action films/dramas, but when a scene is well done, I would watch it in slow-mo and loop endlessly.  Now that I know someone enjoys such a post, I will try to do more. It's just that the highlight gifs and analysis are so time-consuming... but in the end, it's worth it.

Haven't seen "Rurouni Kenshin". I shall check it out. Thanks for the rec.

 

@LyraYoo  Thank you so very much for the vid link. OMG, you're awesome!

Whenever LJG talks about his "old" age, it makes me want to shake him out of his self-deprecation. I know that the K-industry seems obsessed with youth, but HELLO!!! You GOD of an actor! Just realize what a sexy devil and talented man you are, and stop putting yourself down! He looks wayyyyy better and fitter than his earlier days.

 

@Angiiee  Thanks for the translation. Please thank your Korean bf on our behalf too. 

4 hours ago, Angiiee said:

At the same time as the 14th episode, which is supposed to play on the 10th, the 2016 Pro Baseball Wild Card Finals will be playing. Therefore there is a chance that the broadcast will be cancelled.

What? Say what?!! Oh please don't. Please don't prolong my agony. I need the episode NOW! Waiting for Monday is hard enough for me.

Edited October 8, 2016 by zi4r
Edited links; Added last part