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2 minutes ago, -Love Blossom- said:

I am wondering just what was the reason for DHS to take up BHS's identity. He doesn't seem like someone who can be influenced by others. He was already living with his real identity. Maybe he wanted to change it for a better life but still why would he believe some strangers. I hope the makers will resolve this too.

Especially since he was aware something shady was going on with Family Baek. Like why would he risk taking the identity of someone a) he doesn't know and b) the person who takes the identity from is in come after their accident. I guess we have to wait for the answer as to what actually happened that night.

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On 9/7/2020 at 6:40 PM, chickenchopflipflop83 said:

If I had a husband who looks like lee joon gi, takes care of my daughter and cooks and cleans and feeds me well... honestly i don't care what lies he has told or side hobby he has.. not even murder is an issue for me... hhhaaha

 

@chickenchopflipflop83, when I read the first sentence,I was like -“hein? What’s wrong with Cha Ji Won?” Hahaha, husband like that is in extinction, she is soooo lucky!!!

Hahaha  after 14 years of marriage:

 

 He still make efforts to seduce her

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He is still like this with her like a newlywed

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He still feeds her

 

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Lady chingus in the thread, if your man still does this 14 years on, Hold on to him tight:D. There are unicorns. Such husbands are 0.1% left in this world. At 35, he is a househusband, no beer belly in sight, a hands on father. A successful metal craft businessman. I wouldnt mind him playing with reporter Kim Moo Jin in the basement from time to time:D

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10 hours ago, Forsythia said:

4.  Why do u call Hyunsu and haesu as selfish character that act selfishly toward moo jin? Is it because the way they treated moo jin and how they hold grudges on him? Moo Jin is not a good person either. He is also a selfish and self-centered character. He left them at their lowest point and then now he uses them to gain fame in a journalism world.......... if the writer didn't put any scenes to explain on that even on next ep, then i would say it is his (writer) fault and flaw to forget the scene. Or he might just think that it is not important enough. 

 

 

@Forsythia you have every right to your opinion, and  most of the forum will also agree with you, and I am watching the show to be entertained too. But I do believe a lot of ridiculous nonsensical OTT stuff happened in Ep.11 just to drive the contrived tension up a notch, when something sensible could've been written or shown too. It felt fake in parts. 

 

I'm not going to go over all scenes and silly things that were done, I said what I said, and there are no excuses really, maybe the writer was strapped for time and focus had to be on 2-3 key revelations (accomplice, ML's outburst and FL's support of him, etc.). The production has focussed primarily on ML and FL and their journey as a couple, heightening tension with silly tropes, crying, and I call it a cop-out instead of intelligent storytelling. I like the drama but one has to switch off brain cells to watch it, that's for sure.

 

As for your take on Moo-Jin scenes: Look, I disagree, he was live on his phone with audience, in clear danger, at the scene of a bust of a major trafficking unit that police arrested around the same time. I found it unbelievable that no channel or newspaper contacted him or came to his doorstep after the arrests were made - because it was huge news and he was in the center of / part of it. I think in real life, this guy would've been a huge newsmaker the morning after the bust. His editor would call him to write and air an exclusive! Police would've definitely questioned him. ML went to the site with him as his backup and yet he doesn't inquire about him. Not a single phone call. FL doesn't ask him / let alone thank him for backing her husband because she is too busy getting hubby to escape! The sister sees him the next day all beaten and blue and she questions him about ML, as if Moo-Jin owes her something. To me it seems like ML and his sister are using Moo-Jin because they know he likes  her and wants to get the true story. All that he has done is help them out - with his life on the line 3 times now! And lest we forget, he was kidnapped in Ep.2 by the ML for nothing other than knowing his real identity!!! 

 

As for your take that 'he left them at the lowest point and now uses them'' - he was an 18-year old teenager FGS! Yes, he saw something in that basement and didn't say anything, and that will come back to bite him and haunt him pretty soon, but he owes nothing to these two siblings. While the brother and sister-duo owe the world and certainly the city full disclosure - which they never did. Maybe a few people (like the psychiatrist) owe the ML an apology too. But that isn't Moo-Jin's fault.

 

I am tired of ML being portrayed as a sacrificial lamb when he has very much been an architect of his own fortunes. He got married, has a child, and has had a very cozy life. He conveniently accepted to be someone else's fake-son!!! And his sister has done nothing but hide. So yes, I do consider their behavior self-serving, selfish and perennial woe-is-me whining, as if both are waiting for someone else to come rescue them. It's actually pathetic. 

 

I think the writer and production's focus is on ML and his love-connection with FL so the 'intelligent thriller' aspect and proper character arcs took a back seat. It's enjoyable but hard to take any of it seriously. 

 

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3 hours ago, noor1 said:

 

@Forsythia you have every right to your opinion, and  most of the forum will also agree with you, and I am watching the show to be entertained too. But I do believe a lot of ridiculous nonsensical OTT stuff happened in Ep.11 just to drive the contrived tension up a notch, when something sensible could've been written or shown too. It felt fake in parts. 

 

I'm not going to go over all scenes and silly things that were done, I said what I said, and there are no excuses really, maybe the writer was strapped for time and focus had to be on 2-3 key revelations (accomplice, ML's outburst and FL's support of him, etc.). The production has focussed primarily on ML and FL and their journey as a couple, heightening tension with silly tropes, crying, and I call it a cop-out instead of intelligent storytelling. I like the drama but one has to switch off brain cells to watch it, that's for sure.

 

As for your take on Moo-Jin scenes: Look, I disagree, he was live on his phone with audience, in clear danger, at the scene of a bust of a major trafficking unit that police arrested around the same time. I found it unbelievable that no channel or newspaper contacted him or came to his doorstep after the arrests were made - because it was huge news and he was in the center of / part of it. I think in real life, this guy would've been a huge newsmaker the morning after the bust. His editor would call him to write and air an exclusive! Police would've definitely questioned him. ML went to the site with him as his backup and yet he doesn't inquire about him. Not a single phone call. FL doesn't ask him / let alone thank him for backing her husband because she is too busy getting hubby to escape! The sister sees him the next day all beaten and blue and she questions him about ML, as if Moo-Jin owes her something. To me it seems like ML and his sister are using Moo-Jin because they know he likes  her and wants to get the true story. All that he has done is help them out - with his life on the line 3 times now! And lest we forget, he was kidnapped in Ep.2 by the ML for nothing other than knowing his real identity!!! 

 

As for your take that 'he left them at the lowest point and now uses them'' - he was an 18-year old teenager FGS! Yes, he saw something in that basement and didn't say anything, and that will come back to bite him and haunt him pretty soon, but he owes nothing to these two siblings. While the brother and sister-duo owe the world and certainly the city full disclosure - which they never did. Maybe a few people (like the psychiatrist) owe the ML an apology too. But that isn't Moo-Jin's fault.

 

I am tired of ML being portrayed as a sacrificial lamb when he has very much been an architect of his own fortunes. He got married, has a child, and has had a very cozy life. He conveniently accepted to be someone else's fake-son!!! And his sister has done nothing but hide. So yes, I do consider their behavior self-serving, selfish and perennial woe-is-me whining, as if both are waiting for someone else to come rescue them. It's actually pathetic. 

 

I think the writer and production's focus is on ML and his love-connection with FL so the 'intelligent thriller' aspect and proper character arcs took a back seat. It's enjoyable but hard to take any of it seriously. 

 

As JG said, (at the press conference I think) don't take it seriously, just enjoy it. I don't recall anyone calling it an "intelligent thriller." That sounds like an oxymoron to me. Both suspense and melodrama, which is how the director described it, require a suspension of disbelief. I always prefer driving tension up a notch to logic. It's sad if the unrealistic contrivances spoil the fun for you, but we all have different tolerances for creative license.

 

I'm interested in what you said about how something sensible could have been written and shown. Do you mean that you could have written something logical that would have been just as thrilling? It's easy to say that the writer was lazy or incompetent, and I've said that about some of the overused tropes in kdramas, but it is more interesting to talk about how you might have written it differently. How would you achieve that level of emotion, suspense, and thrills if you had to stick to realistic plot lines? What would you have written instead of the "ridiculous nonsensical OTT stuff" that happened in episode 11?

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10 hours ago, noor1 said:

The production has focussed primarily on ML and FL and their journey as a couple, heightening tension with silly tropes, crying, and I call it a cop-out instead of intelligent storytelling. I like the drama but one has to switch off brain cells to watch it, that's for sure.

 

I think the writer and production's focus is on ML and his love-connection with FL so the 'intelligent thriller' aspect and proper character arcs took a back seat. It's enjoyable but hard to take any of it seriously.

 

They did say from the beginning that this drama is 80% melodrama and 20% thriller.

Let me quote the writer herself added her cents two weeks ago:

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The drama first garnered attention with its shocking premise: “What if you start to suspect the husband you’ve loved for 14 years might be a serial killer?” Yoo Jung Hee said, “I was thinking through various concepts and I came up with the idea of a husband who pretends to be noble and pure and a wife who loves with an innocent heart. I liked the irony in that.”

 

She continued, “I also thought it was interesting to ask this question: if someone does their absolute best for their partner in order to take their own dark secret to the grave, can you really say that they are living a lie? I wanted to beef up that story, so I raised the stakes in making the couple a serial killer and detective.”

 

“I wanted to share the message that even where evil has been buried, flowers can still bloom. ‘Flower of Evil’ represents Do Hyun Soo’s image, which cannot be defined as black or white or red. It also represents Cha Ji Won [played by Moon Chae Won]’s image, who has to learn to accept a new world after breaking down the barriers inside herself.”

 

I believe most of us are familiar with melodramas. The crying, angst and romantic tensions are proponents of classic melos. Some dramas do them well.Some execute them terribly. Its a difficult task to combine two very different genres and make it flawless. I think its easier to combine romcoms with droplets of genres i.e thriller, horror, fantasy and so on.But melodrama and thriller are both heavy standalone genres. I know many kdramas that have done thriller dramas that tried to incorporate romance and the romance came out flat and disrupt the storytelling. Most of the time is due to lack of chemistry of the leads or no build up to the romance. Some watchers would say, its better if the dramas did not incorporate the romance all together. Then there are romance kdramas that tried to incorporate thriller. Again a massive fail, the thriller was just a plot device that make no sense. The ones in favour of the romance would complain and say just remove the thriller part and focus on the romance.

 

In my opinion I think on a scale of 1 to 10. This drama is a solid 10 on this balancing act. If I had to be very critical.I would still give it no less than an 8.I dont see many people say they wish the serial case was removed.Or the romance is boring so focus on the case. This explains why although the focus is on the main leads and their journey with the serial killer case woven into it.Its working and the drama has gained popularity even with international audience like a rom com.People are discussing the plot as a whole. 

 

 I also saw some saying they wished DHS was dark and twisted all the way like in episode 1&2 till now.It would have been entertaining for thriller lovers, but I dont think they would have successfully passed on the message the writer is trying to convey. I also dont think it would have been right to call it a melo. Lets not forget, episode 1&2 was showing us society's perception of DHS before we were exposed to more truths. The DHS we are seeing now is still not a saint, he can manipulate people like KMJ when needed, he still doesnt have a filter sometimes when talking to his sister. It took his wife pushing him away to finally crack down and sincerely apologise to his wife for lying and hurting her. But as we have all seen, he is not so dark.He is also a cinammon roll, a very big softie. In writer's words, he is not black, white, or red.

 

To me, the drama is not brainless or insulting viewer's intelligence. Or at least my intelligence:). Trust the writer+director, they got this. I feel you will enjoy this drama better when you adjust your lens and see it as a melodrama with thriller elements(80/20).

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, noor1 said:

 

@Forsythia you have every right to your opinion, and  most of the forum will also agree with you, and I am watching the show to be entertained too. But I do believe a lot of ridiculous nonsensical OTT stuff happened in Ep.11 just to drive the contrived tension up a notch, when something sensible could've been written or shown too. It felt fake in parts. 

 

I'm not going to go over all scenes and silly things that were done, I said what I said, and there are no excuses really, maybe the writer was strapped for time and focus had to be on 2-3 key revelations (accomplice, ML's outburst and FL's support of him, etc.). The production has focussed primarily on ML and FL and their journey as a couple, heightening tension with silly tropes, crying, and I call it a cop-out instead of intelligent storytelling. I like the drama but one has to switch off brain cells to watch it, that's for sure.

 

As for your take on Moo-Jin scenes: Look, I disagree, he was live on his phone with audience, in clear danger, at the scene of a bust of a major trafficking unit that police arrested around the same time. I found it unbelievable that no channel or newspaper contacted him or came to his doorstep after the arrests were made - because it was huge news and he was in the center of / part of it. I think in real life, this guy would've been a huge newsmaker the morning after the bust. His editor would call him to write and air an exclusive! Police would've definitely questioned him. ML went to the site with him as his backup and yet he doesn't inquire about him. Not a single phone call. FL doesn't ask him / let alone thank him for backing her husband because she is too busy getting hubby to escape! The sister sees him the next day all beaten and blue and she questions him about ML, as if Moo-Jin owes her something. To me it seems like ML and his sister are using Moo-Jin because they know he likes  her and wants to get the true story. All that he has done is help them out - with his life on the line 3 times now! And lest we forget, he was kidnapped in Ep.2 by the ML for nothing other than knowing his real identity!!! 

 

As for your take that 'he left them at the lowest point and now uses them'' - he was an 18-year old teenager FGS! Yes, he saw something in that basement and didn't say anything, and that will come back to bite him and haunt him pretty soon, but he owes nothing to these two siblings. While the brother and sister-duo owe the world and certainly the city full disclosure - which they never did. Maybe a few people (like the psychiatrist) owe the ML an apology too. But that isn't Moo-Jin's fault.

 

I am tired of ML being portrayed as a sacrificial lamb when he has very much been an architect of his own fortunes. He got married, has a child, and has had a very cozy life. He conveniently accepted to be someone else's fake-son!!! And his sister has done nothing but hide. So yes, I do consider their behavior self-serving, selfish and perennial woe-is-me whining, as if both are waiting for someone else to come rescue them. It's actually pathetic. 

 

I think the writer and production's focus is on ML and his love-connection with FL so the 'intelligent thriller' aspect and proper character arcs took a back seat. It's enjoyable but hard to take any of it seriously. 

 

I don't think I can agree on you about Hyunsu, Haesu and Moo Jin. It could be that I view them totally in different ways than yours. Be it hyunsu, haesu or moo jin, everyone carries weight in their heart. So, rather than judging hard on them, i would try to understand them. Rather than logic, i am more on emotional part. Hence, our different opinions. So does all the other viewers. We view the drama and all of the characters so very differently based on our own perceptives, logic and emotions. While some of you can say it is illogical and some characters are just stupid and selfish, others might able to relate on them and understand the burden they carries in their life. For example, you said that hyunsu brought that pain upon himselves by agreeing to forge his identity which is true, but then one could understand why he willingly goes to that extent. One can see him as selfish, but others see him as the product of abuse both from his father and society, and hence, emphatised with him. Some might use their mind to perceive and some use their heart. So, i respect your opinions though i can't agree with them. And i do understand that you might not agree with my views too. Cheers:blush:

 

About the writer, i believe he is doing his best to write a story that can balance both elements (emotions and logic) though sometimes he might fail to do so. It is never easy to write a good melodramas, and it would be even harder to inject crime thriller element in it. This drama is tagged with 80% melodrama with only 20% thriller. So, for now, i am quite satisfied with the way the writer are writing the story. It won't be an intelligent crime drama (though i do think it is better than some drama that completely tagged themselves as crime thriller drama and FOE is superior than those dramas that tagged themselves as romance with crime drama. I can't forget the disaster of Born Again) ,

but i can be sure that this is an intelligent melodrama, for they are able to build up the emotions, inject them more along the way and never broke it off with unnecessary scene.

 

I gave it some more thought on why hyunsu didn't check on sang chul pocket before he left the scene - and i realise that if he choose to do that, it will entirely break off the emotional scene and some viewers might find the scene out of place, odd and not in line with hyunsu emotional scene. Ep 11 is written with an aim to let the viewers watch and feel on hyunsu first emotional outbreak. This is his first time on letting his whole emotions break off his walls. To do this excellently, they have to shut up his mind and solely focusing on his emotions so that the energy and the built-up won't be distrupted.

 

I am agree with your take that nothing happen to moo jin the day after the incident. Like, he should be a hero the next day. But, nothing much happen. So yes, i don't know the writer intentions on just letting it go. 


Anyway, let's enjoy the remaining five episodes. It would be more on the melodramatic side per the director. Sorry for i might be babbling too much. Have a nice day

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13 hours ago, Forsythia said:

I don't think I can agree on you about Hyunsu, Haesu and Moo Jin. It could be that I view them totally in different ways than yours. Be it hyunsu, haesu or moo jin, everyone carries weight in their heart. So, rather than judging hard on them, i would try to understand them. Rather than logic, i am more on emotional part. Hence, our different opinions. So does all the other viewers. We view the drama and all of the characters so very differently based on our own perceptives, logic and emotions. While some of you can say it is illogical and some characters are just stupid and selfish, others might able to relate on them and understand the burden they carries in their life. For example, you said that hyunsu brought that pain upon himselves by agreeing to forge his identity which is true, but then one could understand why he willingly goes to that extent. One can see him as selfish, but others see him as the product of abuse both from his father and society, and hence, emphatised with him. Some might use their mind to perceive and some use their heart. So, i respect your opinions though i can't agree with them. And i do understand that you might not agree with my views too. Cheers:blush:

 

About the writer, i believe he is doing his best to write a story that can balance both elements (emotions and logic) though sometimes he might fail to do so. It is never easy to write a good melodramas, and it would be even harder to inject crime thriller element in it. This drama is tagged with 80% melodrama with only 20% thriller. So, for now, i am quite satisfied with the way the writer are writing the story. It won't be an intelligent crime drama (though i do think it is better than some drama that completely tagged themselves as crime thriller drama and FOE is superior than those dramas that tagged themselves as romance with crime drama. I can't forget the disaster of Born Again) ,

but i can be sure that this is an intelligent melodrama, for they are able to build up the emotions, inject them more along the way and never broke it off with unnecessary scene.

 

I gave it some more thought on why hyunsu didn't check on sang chul pocket before he left the scene - and i realise that if he choose to do that, it will entirely break off the emotional scene and some viewers might find the scene out of place, odd and not in line with hyunsu emotional scene. Ep 11 is written with an aim to let the viewers watch and feel on hyunsu first emotional outbreak. This is his first time on letting his whole emotions break off his walls. To do this excellently, they have to shut up his mind and solely focusing on his emotions so that the energy and the built-up won't be distrupted.

 

I am agree with your take that nothing happen to moo jin the day after the incident. Like, he should be a hero the next day. But, nothing much happen. So yes, i don't know the writer intentions on just letting it go. 


Anyway, let's enjoy the remaining five episodes. It would be more on the melodramatic side per the director. Sorry for i might be babbling too much. Have a nice day

As for me, I am one of the few who wanted 80% thriller, 20% melo but when I read and heard that melo is about 80%, I gotta admit I was a bit disappointed. But I am giving this drama a chance and so far, I'm loving Flower of Evil, I am willing to let go and enjoy it. Plus it is no secret that JG is my idol oppa so anything really about him I will watch.:hooray2:I wanted Do Hyun So's character to be as bad as can be, truly a full fledged villain :evilelmo:but I've accepted that most fans are not ready for that and wanted him to turn out to be an innocent guy. So let's give this writer a chance for her story to unfold. I'm very impressed with the writer as all my guesses were wrong except for the accomplice. Let's just let all pieces of the puzzle fall into place and enjoy the 5 last episodes :crybaby:

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20 hours ago, noor1 said:

As for your take on Moo-Jin scenes: Look, I disagree, he was live on his phone with audience, in clear danger, at the scene of a bust of a major trafficking unit that police arrested around the same time. I found it unbelievable that no channel or newspaper contacted him or came to his doorstep after the arrests were made - because it was huge news and he was in the center of / part of it. I think in real life, this guy would've been a huge newsmaker the morning after the bust. His editor would call him to write and air an exclusive! Police would've definitely questioned him. ML went to the site with him as his backup and yet he doesn't inquire about him. Not a single phone call. FL doesn't ask him / let alone thank him for backing her husband because she is too busy getting hubby to escape! The sister sees him the next day all beaten and blue and she questions him about ML, as if Moo-Jin owes her something. To me it seems like ML and his sister are using Moo-Jin because they know he likes  her and wants to get the true story. All that he has done is help them out - with his life on the line 3 times now! And lest we forget, he was kidnapped in Ep.2 by the ML for nothing other than knowing his real identity!!! 

 

As for your take that 'he left them at the lowest point and now uses them'' - he was an 18-year old teenager FGS! Yes, he saw something in that basement and didn't say anything, and that will come back to bite him and haunt him pretty soon, but he owes nothing to these two siblings. While the brother and sister-duo owe the world and certainly the city full disclosure - which they never did. Maybe a few people (like the psychiatrist) owe the ML an apology too. But that isn't Moo-Jin's fault.

Talking about KMJ. Lets applaud Actor Seo Hyun Woo for doing such a great job. I think even though he is supporting lead, his role is also complex. I was meh at the beginning with KMJ but now my opinion of him is changing and am seeing his growth. I am even rooting for his happiness and successful career with or without Hae Soo.

 

Back to the drama, I dont think KMJ is a thankless hero for these reasons:

 

1) On DHS manipulating KMJ, KMJ called him out on that, DHS admitted it at the end of episode 10. DHS also said he only asked him to tag along, KMJ willing made the decisions to be involved.Its true.He could have said no and can still walk away at any point if he wanted.DHS has nothing to blackmail him with anymore.Even the recording he had that would ruin KMJ. He gave it back. Why is he still hanging around DHS? He wants to look good in front of Hae Soo and maybe for an exclusive too.That means KMJ had selfish interests too. I think though that this was at the beginning. Now from around ep 9 onwards, I think he is helping genuinely and starting to care about DHS as a friend.

 

2) The Kidnapping(ep 2): As an investigative journalist, how he ended up in the basement is on him. I expect his instincts to be sharper like a detective.He was dumb in episode 1. I remember when I was watching on viki..everyone was commenting on why he wasnt leaving the house once he knew that the person in front of him is DHS not BHS. His spidery senses should have warned him that something odd was about to happen. I mean DHS had the Frankenstein music on full blast to make it even more dramatic:D. Also that is what happens when you invade people's homes to snoop like a third rate tabloid journalist..you might meet a "psycho".

 

3) 18 year old is a legal adult. KMJ was still very capable of knowing right from wrong. He bullied DHS and tied him to a tree and threw rocks at him with his friends based on heresy. He has yet to apologise to DHS about that. Part of the reason they are in this present mess is because KMJ released an exclusive on DHS without verifying facts. He doesnt owe Hae Soo an apology, but he is the one lusting over her and insisting on being involved in her life. She never asked him for that.So he might as well give it if she is to allow him back.He dumped her after saying really cruel things.

 

4) Just my speculation, maybe KMJ didnt release an exclusive on the human trafficking case to keep attention away from DHS? It could jeopardise his career too.If they dug into how and why he got there.

 

5) Those village/city people dont deserve RickRoll'D. Thats their payback for all the exorcisms they did on DHS, the media harrassment to Hae Soo and rumor mongering about the Do Family. They spread the serial killer story about DHS being an accomplice when there is no proof he had committed the murders. Hae Soo already compensated the victims' families even though I dont think she needed to. I dont believe in children paying for sins of their parents. They did not benefit from the serial murders like wealth instead their lives were ruined. Both siblings worked hard on their own to earn the things they have and to live the comfortable lives they are living.

 

But we the viewers deserve closure though and I hope it will be worth the wait to see how it all played out. I apologise too for blabbing too much. Lets talk again after episode 12.

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2 hours ago, bombshellchick1 said:

As for me, I am one of the few who wanted 80% thriller, 20% melo but when I read and heard that melo is about 80%, I gotta admit I was a bit disappointed. But I am giving this drama a chance and so far, I'm loving Flower of Evil, I am willing to let go and enjoy it. Plus it is no secret that JG is my idol oppa so anything really about him I will watch.I wanted Do Hyun So's character to be as bad as can be, truly a full fledged villain but I've accepted that most fans are not ready for that and wanted him to turn out to be an innocent guy. So let's give this writer a chance for her story to unfold. I'm very impressed with the writer as all my guesses were wrong except for the accomplice. Let's just let all pieces of the puzzle fall into place and enjoy the 5 last episodes


same. I wanted him to be more in touch with his psychopath side like what we saw in episode one. But fans were defending him from even then and after episode two ,he was already a “victim”. 

 

theres nothing wrong with being villainous though but most people want to root for the good guy.

 

I hope I see LJK as villain one day though.He will be really good at it.

 

 

We still have five episodes left so let’s atleast hope it will be more suspense and intrigue.

 

maybe we’ll get to see Hyunso bad again ....

 

Though I doubt that, I think both actors were chosen for their emotional acting.

 

I think it will be a happy ending since it seems to be audience wish fulfilling.

 

i don’t care as long as the pieces add up.

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@bombshellchick1 I also wished for his character to be negative so I was kind of disappointed when he turned out to be a cinnamon roll. He is cunning and manipulative but I wanted him to be evil. Still I can understand why the writers did not get there. When the first 2 episodes were aired and KMJ was locked in the basement by DHS, many fans said they won't continue watching this drama if he actually murders him. I guess that's why the makers chose the safe way. People are not yet prepared to see a murderer or evil person as the male lead. I hope in 5-6 years they will be able to make a drama about such a character. 

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On 9/5/2020 at 4:44 PM, chickenchopflipflop83 said:

@Jillia@-Love Blossom- yup i would hate the writer if she went on the "we met when they were kids" trope, because that would kinda defeat the whole idea of the show. I felt that the show had a very strong message on how 2 random people can come together and develop strong love for each other as long as they were willing to put in the effort and to stick around each other through thick and thin. Real love is never as effortless as something that is predestined, it involves hard work like having the courage to face up to the harsh truth (Jiwon) or perpetuating falsehoods for the sake of the other partner's happiness (hyun su - i really loved how we initially found the youtube videos creepy, but later realized its an act of love, of him trying to fix his shortcomings in order to make her happy). 

 

However regarding the memory loss, that's not really what i meant. Was trying to think what is the purpose of the writer erasing Hyun Soo's memory: 

 

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In the meantime, if i assume option 1 to be true, then i feel worried for Ji Won and Hae Soo:
 

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Also just finished watching the last few translated part of lee joon gi's IG live and now i have anxiety again....

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Its rare that this close to the finale, i still have absolutely NO IDEA how the entire story will play out. The previews for ep 12 also looks super misleading:
 

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and @-Love Blossom-

I still firmly believe we won't go down the road of having Ji Won and Hyun Soo met as children. I think there was no hint to it whatsoever. There could be a connection between Ji Won and real Baek Hee Sung. She might just not know him under that time. Otherwise she probably would've noticed it right away.

 

To me the fact that Hyun Soo isn't a serial killer doesn't make him less problematic as a character. He still was capable to overpower Moo Jin with violence and keeping him in the basement. That's not what a normal person would do. Even though I think they watered his character down, yet still... I think there is darkness in him. Which was partly in him but was even reinforced and intensified when the village people called him evil as well and the psychiatrist diagnosed him and therefore treated him wrongly. A child quickly believes in being evil when someone keeps telling him that. And then to grow up with a serial killer as a father it doesn't really help with any personality development. The fact he didn't become a killer himself is rather surprising.

 

I still wonder what kind of role his mother plays in all this as well. Her voice on the recorder seemed to calm him but I feel like there is a lot of darkness to it then we know at the moment.

 

I also think, like you, one of our characters will get hurt. We need that to happen for the final act to get initiated. Since Hae Soo and Ji Won are the most important people to Do Hyun, aside from Eun Ha, that would make a lot of sense actually.

 

I'm very worried for the ending of the drama. I'm still firm on my stand that I will take any ending if it's written well but a happy ending would be something that I would enjoy the most. Since all the characters in this drama through a lot already. They deserve a peaceful resolution.

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“Flower Of Evil” Shares 3 Key Points To Watch Out For

Flower of Evil” shared what to look out for in the show’s remaining episodes!

The drama is about a man named Do Hyun Soo (Lee Joon Gi), who lives under the identity of Baek Hee Sung (Kim Ji Hoon) to hide his past. His detective wife Cha Ji Won (Moon Chae Won) begins to suspect that he may be a serial killer, and the couple is ultimately forced to confront a dark truth they never wanted to face.

 

With only a few episodes left until the conclusion, the production team unveiled three key points to watch out for:

1. Do Hyun Soo’s transformation

One of the most important points to pay attention to is the emotional change of Do Hyun Soo. His father’s serial murder case was a traumatic incident for him, and whenever someone mentioned it, he would find it difficult to breathe. He also felt suffocating shock when Cha Ji Won tried to end things with him. Do Hyun Soo, who originally didn’t understand people’s feelings, slowly broke down his iron wall, and he eventually burst into tears when his wife still wanted to stay with him even after she found out his true identity.

 

The production crew revealed, “Do Hyun Soo actually experienced a shortness of breath whenever he wanted to cry. I hope you look forward to the change in Do Hyun Soo as he becomes more open to various emotions.”

 

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2. Do Hyun Soo vs. Baek Hee Sung

The second key point to keep an eye out for is the showdown between Do Hyun Soo and Baek Hee Sung. Previously, it was revealed that Baek Hee Sung is actually Do Hyun Soo’s father’s accomplice.

 

The production crew commented, “The fateful confrontation between Do Hyun Soo and Baek Hee Sung will soon unfold. As the story progresses, viewers will be able to find out how the two are fatefully intertwined and how their showdown will end.”

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3. Personal choices

Last but not least, Do Hyun Soo, Cha Ji Won, Do Hae Soo (Jang Hee Jin), and Kim Moo Jin (Seo Hyun Woo) will have to make their final decisions about how they want to conclude this chapter in their life.

 

In episode 11, Do Hyun Soo and Cha Ji Won found out the truth, but they still chose to stay together. Do Hae Soo made arduous efforts to find her father’s accomplice in order to set her brother free, and Kim Moo Jin stayed by her side to protect her, despite her attempts to push him away.

 

The production team said, “Do Hyun Soo and Cha Ji Won’s love will be tested once again, and a new story will unfold. Do Hae Soo and Kim Moo Jin will also have to make their final choices. Please watch in order to find out what they will decide to do in the end.”

 

The next episode will air on September 9 at 10:50 p.m. KST.

 

Source: Soompi

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43 minutes ago, -Love Blossom- said:

@bombshellchick1 I also wished for his character to be negative so I was kind of disappointed when he turned out to be a cinnamon roll. He is cunning and manipulative but I wanted him to be evil. Still I can understand why the writers did not get there. When the first 2 episodes were aired and KMJ was locked in the basement by DHS, many fans said they won't continue watching this drama if he actually murders him. I guess that's why the makers chose the safe way. People are not yet prepared to see a murderer or evil person as the male lead. I hope in 5-6 years they will be able to make a drama about such a character. 

This is a good opportunity to think about what we want from our male leads. I think we want them to be heroes. I think this goes to the very heart of why we watch dramas. Even if they start off dark, we want them to redeem themselves and end up heroic in some way. To take an extreme example, the most evil of humans might be a serial killer. So how could Dexter be the male lead of the show "Dexter?"

 

I think the answer is that he only kills other serial killers. That turns him into a hero who protects the innocent from serial killers. In spite of his "nature" as a serial killer, he overcomes his dark desires and protects the innocent. He even ends up falling in love with the wife he thought he was marrying for cover. Our desire for heroes is why we are so happy when Dexter avoids killing innocents and when Do Hyun Soo doesn't kill Kim Moo Jin or the taxi driver. That is also why we are so happy when Do Hyun Soo finally realizes that he does love Cha Ji Won.

 

Personally, I hope we never get to the point where we want our male lead to be an evil person. "Breaking Bad" came too close to that. I think we kept hoping that Walter White wasn't as bad as he seemed to be becoming, and we held out hope for his redemption. In the end, he did redeem himself in a way, but there was a lot of unpleasantness along the way. I remember there were times when watching that show made me feel dirty. That is not the feeling we want to get from our fiction, and it doesn't say much for our civilization.

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I’m in a hurry so I can’t write everything I would like to. And many have said what I want to. But I will say this, it’s unfair to say that one has to switch off brain cells to watch the show. I mean every show has  flaws. But this one is on of the best I’ve seen. It’s not taky and every actor is doing an amazing job IMO.

I love that DHS isn’t all dark.  He has got shades of gray and layers that even he himself doesn’t understand.

We got 5 episodes left. Wait until we have seen them and then call the show stupid!


 

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I never thought that LJG as male lead could be a serial killer or any kind of murderer, but I was very interested in how the story could make him appear to be evil and for how long. The darker he was at the beginning, the greater the character arc, and the more satisfying his transformation, as long as the change didn't require too great a suspension of disbelief. 

 

I have been delighted with the way the show has handled Do Hyun Soo's story, thanks largely to LJG's masterful performance. This role has required the most delicate and nuanced acting of his career, and he has more than met the challenge. I always knew that he was brilliant at portraying the big emotions, but his restraint in capturing the most subtle emotions is stunning. From the earliest scenes where his expressions had to be open to interpretation based on audience expectations about his character to the more recent scenes where the emotions the character was experiencing had to be hidden and yet visible to the audience, he has been nothing less than dazzling in his craft.

 

I am also looking forward to LJG playing an outright villain, but it won't be in a lead role. Just as Kim Ji Hoon is able to play a villain by taking on a "secret" role, LJG will have to take a smaller role to show his villain chops. As soon as I heard that KJH was in the drama, I knew he had to be the villain because you don't hire a leading man to play a small supporting role (unless it is a cameo). When we hear that LJG is cast in a drama where he isn't the lead or a cameo, we will know that he is probably the villain.

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59 minutes ago, joybran said:

This is a good opportunity to think about what we want from our male leads. I think we want them to be heroes. I think this goes to the very heart of why we watch dramas. Even if they start off dark, we want them to redeem themselves and end up heroic in some way. To take an extreme example, the most evil of humans might be a serial killer. So how could Dexter be the male lead of the show "Dexter?"

 

I think the answer is that he only kills other serial killers. That turns him into a hero who protects the innocent from serial killers. In spite of his "nature" as a serial killer, he overcomes his dark desires and protects the innocent. He even ends up falling in love with the wife he thought he was marrying for cover. Our desire for heroes is why we are so happy when Dexter avoids killing innocents and when Do Hyun Soo doesn't kill Kim Moo Jin or the taxi driver. That is also why we are so happy when Do Hyun Soo finally realizes that he does love Cha Ji Won.

 

Personally, I hope we never get to the point where we want our male lead to be an evil person. "Breaking Bad" came too close to that. I think we kept hoping that Walter White wasn't as bad as he seemed to be becoming, and we held out hope for his redemption. In the end, he did redeem himself in a way, but there was a lot of unpleasantness along the way. I remember there were times when watching that show made me feel dirty. That is not the feeling we want to get from our fiction, and it doesn't say much for our civilization.

I can see your point there and thanks for including "Dexter" and "Breaking Bad", which further proves that Korean dramas are so not ready for a more 'realistic' show. There needs to be a happy ending and something to believe in and to find that there is good (things are not always what it seems). Just for myself, I prefer the real psychopath instead of a "misdiagnosed" character. Yes, sort of like that Dexter character that you have described, I have not watched Dexter btw. Maybe Do Hyun Soo can kill the real Baek Hee Seong! And give Baek Man Wo a taste of his own medicine Lol :naughty: And possibly making Hae Soo assisting dad in serial killings, maybe teenage Do Hyun Soo getting even with teenage bullies...these are more on the "thrillers area" which might not be viewers cup of tea. I never wanted Do Hyun So to be a hero, just a psychopath to clear his name, that's all. In any case, it still opened up on the issue of mental health and I'm happy about that. So, I'll just let things be I guess because I won't be getting what I want. Lol

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