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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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10 hours ago, hello210 said:

One of the princess's (not Emperor's child but Royal blood) was quite blatant with her admiration for Qi Heng and the 1st wife arranged for her carriage to be ambushed, everyone except her killed and have her raped. That princess's father was the 4th prince's faction hence why he raped and killed Qi Heng's first wife and first wife's mother during the rebellion.

Qi Heng was super sad now and was complaining to his mother that she knows his heart but refuses to give him the match he wants. His mother replies that since the 8th prince is becoming Emperor now and they are sort of related to the 6th prince they are under pressure from his father's rivals and his marriage is even more important to secure alliances. He understands but is still sad and cries into his mother's arms.

 

Man... QH's first wife was total psycho....I did not get that at all from the GT....I did understand that she caused the death of that princess and her father used the revolt to takes his revenge. But I thought she was connected to 4th Prince and thats why got killed during the purge.

 

Anyways, Yes that was the scene I was talking about. Maybe before talking to QH his mom and dad had that conversation. His mom also told his father why QH's wife caused that princess's death.....and that QH was partly to blame. He used to go stand outside some place waiting to look at ML....after ML spotted him she changed her exit route. Thats where QH's wife saw the princess and thought he was coming to look at her. 

 

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10 minutes ago, m0us3y said:

That was the novel yeah? Cuz from trailers it seemed like ML was happy with the marriage? 

There were a few scenes, which I assumed is before marriage (because she seems to have a diff hairstyle after marriage) that they seem to have mutual feelings? 

I have the same feeling. She seems happy.

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However their main sl as a couple in the novel is to learn how to love completely. Mostly ml, but even gty. So I don’t know if the show can make her having feelings so soon. It would change a lot. Maybe she is just happy he is someone she respects. I wonder when they starts the courtship or the tricking part.

 

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Hello everyone wow wow wow 

Just finished watching episode 19- 21with subs. Viki does a great job subbing but I decided to wait some until they are finished completely because sometimes there some words that don’t get translated until later. 

I say again so amazed. 

@zenya22  The people GYt saved are in the picture.  Zhao Ceying and his father was saved by Bai He. Since he goes by that name I will call him that... :D:D

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5 hours ago, cherubstomato said:

Finished watching episode 21-22. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry! :unsure: QYH mom is a great example of leading a man with full of hopes. LOL I can see that in this episode QYH has touched Minglans heart. But she should’ve known that the proposal was too good to be true even had the granny fooled for a sec. But despite that it opened her eyes that he was really determined and that gave her a bit of hope but now she’ll just leave it to fate.... 

The scene with the bandits got my heart raising Xiaotao was giving me a nervous breakdown. Haha

Cant wait for the next episodes! 

 

5 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

If anything happens to Xiaotao ill be depressed.. please

 

I went back to read this scene again in the novel coz i couldn't remember much except ML jumping in the water and GTY saving her.

That scene in the book was so so much better. ML and Xiaotao kicked some bandit butt...

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Bandits attacked the boat in front of them first....ML and her maids and others on the boat were watching it happen. ML ordered every light to be extinguished on the boat and ran to the kitchen and got all the knives, heavy pots and pans that could be wielded as a weapon. Then she distributed them to everyone and told them to hide. She took her own maids and hid in the lower level of the boat which had one door and one window. she and Xiaotao and one other maid stood guard at the door. The maids on upper level got caught and told them about ML hiding below. They heard the bandits talking and knew they were discovered. Xiaotao wanted to kill those people for selling them out. When one of the bandits broke through the door....Xiaotao hit him on the head so hard he fell like a log...then other came the next maid hit him on the head...he fell too...third bandit became alert...and came cautiously....ML jumped out and stabbed with the kitchen knife. Then they hid the bodies and jumped out the window. Only later ML found out Xiaotao never jumped in the water but hid behind the boxes and no one even looked because the bandits thought everyone jumped.

I think 2 bandits died. When GTY saved ML and brought her back, he had his people check out the whole boat. He found the bodies and told ML he will take care of it and told her not to say a word to anyone about it. 

That scene showed all of her quick thinking and smarts. ML even had a plan B fully organized. Suppose the bandits didn't find them but set fire to the boat like they did the first one. Then they will tie themselves with ropes to the wooden boxes kept in the lower level and jump out the window.

 

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5 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I wish we had more of CB i really like his character. 

I wished there was more of CB too. He is an awesome brother and friend. @ForgottenSoulx WOW, he even told Bai He, everything that happened to him was a TRAP. I believe Bai He  took the blame because he was blinded  by his stepmom's kindness (fake).  I especially loved what he quoted that described her to a T.  The way every single one of his family were ready to remove him from the genealogy record. I sometimes wondered why didn't they do that??? It's probably because they hope to gain something from his death. That family is so so calculating. 

5 hours ago, hello210 said:

Good imagination :lol: QH really sucked with his timing but then he didn’t learn from his previous attempts at sucking up to his mom (or not very observant). His mom already knows his kissing up attempts so him using her birthday celebration as an opportunity to ask her to propose marriage was not a good idea. I think she was extra cruel because she accused him that he was only doing the nice things for her birthday as a pretense. Poor QH was really duped by his mother’s agreement. 

@hello210  I will be honest with you, I understand why QH's mother was so upset. His gift was so thoughtful but damn she is one smart lady. She knew who he was crushing on. QH's love for ML is so real and he really respect her, he was appalled at the thought of making her his concubine.  Yes his timing was all wrong and I feel bad for him because he is a FOOL IN LOVE. TBH I don't think ML loved him but she does like him, respect him. She was shocked that he did ask his parents about pursuing her ( a concubine daughter) and touched that is why she hold his gift so dearly. He is another person in her life who has shown her they love her besides her grandmother. 

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5 hours ago, zenya22 said:

He is young, spoiled and seems not used to hearing the word no...and the reasons for it. It is all about him because if he were thinking maturedly, he would have asked himself the question, how can I be worthy of the woman I love, what can I Qi Heng, offer her and do to make her happy? But it is also the fault of the parents for making everything easy for him. Instead of Mom directly explaining why she can't help QH, she went to indirectly shame the Sheng family and hurt Ming Lan and the grandmother. QH was never taught patience and endurance it seems. 

Sorry for cutting your post.

See the contrast in their personalities. ML is taking the biggest heart breaking decision of her life for him. But QH on the other hand has not even once considered her situation, her future or her reservations with this relationship. Yes she might love him but she does have enough smarts to not give into his persuasion. Coz she knows there is very little chance of his promises getting fulfilled. But because of her feelings she still let him try.....and ended up getting her family and her granny humiliated. 

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6 hours ago, cheekychipmunk_stv said:

 In regards to GTY, where are his wealth from his mother side? Thought he has some land and shops or something in his own name? DI'd his mistress sold it all off?

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Did his older brother eventually die in the book?

 

Did he get revenge on his step mom in the book?

How GTY getting his revenge and inherits.from the spoiler site

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From when he returned to the capital, the ML was granted a separate residence (General fu) by the Emperor, and that is where he lives with Minglan (after their marriage) all along, apart from the family's main residence (Marquis fu). A bit later, when his family is about to be ruined, the 1st brother asks the ML to petition the Emperor to forgive the family (which is in the ML's power to achieve). In exchange, the brother promises not to adopt a child, so the ML as the old Marquis' 2nd son can inherit safely after the 1st brother dies. He takes him to the ancestral hall NOT to show him a memorial of the ML's mother (it's not true that the ML's father loved her--his one and only great love was his 1st wife) but to show him proof of the family's past glory and their originally bestowed plaque with their title, and to convince him that even his current rank as a general was possible because their family is of illustrious military lineage (which is why the ML could so easily be accepted as commander by his army). Yet if he destroys their family name now, even if the Emperor bestows him a title later, it would be a new title, without the history and weight of their old and famous title. So the ML eventually takes the deal and saves the family from being branded as traitors, then pursues his revenge against the nasty members of his family in other, arguably more insidious ways.

When the ML inherited and the family branches divided the property, he didn't take everything and he didn't have the power to exile his uncles from the start. Nevertheless, his fair share was the greatest (because his was the main branch, and he carried the Marquis title), and the 2 uncles struggled a long time because they didn't want to leave their easy, luxurious life in the Marquis fu and have to strike out on their own, with a smaller budget. They were too used to extravagant living. The ML and his wife managed to kick them out eventually, but the stepmom helped (at that moment, it was also in her interest to get rid of the uncles' 4th and 5th branch), and she and her son stayed with ML's main branch for now, though in separate residences. Of course, the ML is still not done with the uncles' branches at this point as he still has some people to punish more harshly, which he does later.

 

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6 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I wish we had more of CB i really like his character. 

I think we may have more soon....there's going to be political upheaval soon.....

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and changbai was about to loose his life but got saved at the last moment. His wife played a major part in keeping that conniving mother daughter pair confined for a while. She also cleaned house and got rid of every spy, every person loyal to Lin niang from the house.

 

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1 hour ago, danatepe said:

How GTY getting his revenge and inherits.from the spoiler site

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From when he returned to the capital, the ML was granted a separate residence (General fu) by the Emperor, and that is where he lives with Minglan (after their marriage) all along, apart from the family's main residence (Marquis fu). A bit later, when his family is about to be ruined, the 1st brother asks the ML to petition the Emperor to forgive the family (which is in the ML's power to achieve). In exchange, the brother promises not to adopt a child, so the ML as the old Marquis' 2nd son can inherit safely after the 1st brother dies. He takes him to the ancestral hall NOT to show him a memorial of the ML's mother (it's not true that the ML's father loved her--his one and only great love was his 1st wife) but to show him proof of the family's past glory and their originally bestowed plaque with their title, and to convince him that even his current rank as a general was possible because their family is of illustrious military lineage (which is why the ML could so easily be accepted as commander by his army). Yet if he destroys their family name now, even if the Emperor bestows him a title later, it would be a new title, without the history and weight of their old and famous title. So the ML eventually takes the deal and saves the family from being branded as traitors, then pursues his revenge against the nasty members of his family in other, arguably more insidious ways.

When the ML inherited and the family branches divided the property, he didn't take everything and he didn't have the power to exile his uncles from the start. Nevertheless, his fair share was the greatest (because his was the main branch, and he carried the Marquis title), and the 2 uncles struggled a long time because they didn't want to leave their easy, luxurious life in the Marquis fu and have to strike out on their own, with a smaller budget. They were too used to extravagant living. The ML and his wife managed to kick them out eventually, but the stepmom helped (at that moment, it was also in her interest to get rid of the uncles' 4th and 5th branch), and she and her son stayed with ML's main branch for now, though in separate residences. Of course, the ML is still not done with the uncles' branches at this point as he still has some people to punish more harshly, which he does later.

 

@danatepe.... Thanks for that info. I have no idea how happy I am for the news. 

 

 

OMG!!! cCan someone please help me... What happened to Bai He's Momo. I haven't seen her since episode 21. Will she make an appearance later on. I really love this character. She is the only person besides Bai He's mom and grandpa who ever gave a damn for Bai He.  She is one smart cookie. SHe followed that witch until  she can find the proof that the evil richard simmons can be ditched. She is so loving to him.  We need her when he finally establish himself and get a wife. 

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Ha ha.. Uncle 2 started his plan. Told his daughter not to call minglan as sister, but an aunt. 

 
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22 minutes ago, dito said:

Sorry for cutting your post.

See the contrast in their personalities. ML is taking the biggest heart breaking decision of her life for him. But QH on the other hand has not even once considered her situation, her future or her reservations with this relationship. Yes she might love him but she does have enough smarts to not give into his persuasion. Coz she knows there is very little chance of his promises getting fulfilled. But because of her feelings she still let him try.....and ended up getting her family and her granny humiliated. 

Couldn't have put that any better myself. If he has once stood on her side and think from her perspectives, perhaps it didn't need to get to this stage. 

 

And for him to "protest" the way he did, is something U expect from a spoiled bratty kid. 

I get that he's heartbroken, but has it ever occured to him that she's also hurt, AND humiliated? 

 

The whole time ML was telling him it would be impossible, and he went ahead anyway. And now that he knocked himself over, there are really just 2 options: 

- fight for it: and by that, have some ammo before going into a battle! Or

- let go graciously, learn from the mistake so that it wouldnt happen again. 

Either way, stalking her, continues to pester and beg the mum and/or locking himself in the room is clearly NOT the way. 

Even if the mum gives in because he goes on hunger strike (which we know she wouldnt but let's go down that path anyway), what kind of life would ML get once married to him??

How would the Mil treats ML?

 

ML would pretty much go from one prison to another, forever trapped in the dimension that his family restraint her to. 

If he has ever consider for her, and her happiness, perhaps he would realise how bad that move is. 

He needs to realise that sometimes loving someone means letting the person go if you are not capable to protect and care for her..

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The drowning scene where ML grabbed hold of the doll, I feel she really do love QH... 

 

In real life I have witnessed same couple QH/ML situation. The man led a sad loveless unhappy married life with the woman chosen by his parents (and wife too is as unhappy).

 

Really feel sad for QH

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11 hours ago, hello210 said:

Thanks. It’s going to be interesting to see how it’s all going to play out in the drama because QH’s mother in the drama is like a scary dragon mom who needs to control everything around her son so having him so emotionally attached to someone (besides his mother) is probably going to drive her nuts. We’ve already seen how she can be cruel with a straight face.  Doesn’t he have siblings in the book?  Saw somewhere that he was supposed to be the second child in the family but in the drama he’s an only child so he’s her only hope which is probably another reason why she’s so controlling and possessive (being quick to get rid of anyone in the household who even think to get his attention).

In china, kids on the same generation aren't counted based on their parents but on their paternal grandparents. For example ML's father has 4 daughters, 1st Hualan, 4th Molan, 5th Rulan and 6th Minglan. The 2nd and 3rd are daughters of his brother. QH is his parents' only son, but the 2nd in his generation of the Qi family, he has an older cousin.

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Later he marries off his 2nd grandson to Sheng Chengbai's 6th granddaughter, making them a couple of Qi family's 2nd son and Sheng family's 6th daughter. That girl really resembles ML.

 

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5 hours ago, fra8 said:

I have the same feeling. She seems happy.

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However their main sl as a couple in the novel is to learn how to love completely. Mostly ml, but even gty. So I don’t know if the show can make her having feelings so soon. It would change a lot. Maybe she is just happy he is someone she respects. I wonder when they starts the courtship or the tricking part.

 

Yeah...it may not be to the point of love yet, but she’s amiable to marrying GTY in the drama trailers but just as her actions like thinking there is hope with QH are different in the drama than the novel, they had to adapt it to how ML would actually feel as someone who grew up in that era versus a modern adult who transmigrated.  The trailers show that they had some interactions after returning to the capital aside from the rescues so maybe he’s going to attack things on both fronts, make the calculated moves secretly to maneuver the family’s acceptance as well as get ML to see the possibilities as his wife. That’s why I think she’ll start to see things differently before they marry and then develop that deeper love throughout their marriage. 

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44 minutes ago, linhlinh111 said:

In china, kids on the same generation aren't counted based on their parents but on their paternal grandparents. For example ML's father has 4 daughters, 1st Hualan, 4th Molan, 5th Rulan and 6th Minglan. The 2nd and 3rd are daughters of his brother. QH is his parents' only son, but the 2nd in his generation of the Qi family, he has an older cousin.

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Later he marries off his 2nd grandson to Sheng Chengbai's 6th granddaughter, making them a couple of Qi family's 2nd son and Sheng family's 6th daughter. That girl really resembles ML.

 

Haha:lol:, thanks @linhlinh111 and here I was thinking it was 1st Hualan, 2nd Changbai, 3rd Changfeng, 4th Molan, 5th Rulan, 6th Minglan.  Just like it 1st Yanrun, 2nd Brother, 3rd Yanruo.  It gets confusing and I just usually rely on my parents for figuring who fits where when meeting relatives.

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3 hours ago, hello210 said:

Haha:lol:, thanks @linhlinh111 and here I was thinking it was 1st Hualan, 2nd Changbai, 3rd Changfeng, 4th Molan, 5th Rulan, 6th Minglan.  Just like it 1st Yanrun, 2nd Brother, 3rd Yanruo.  It gets confusing and I just usually rely on my parents for figuring who fits where when meeting relatives.

Yeah the boys and girls are counted separately, so the 3rd brother isn't necessarily older than the 4th sister. Changbai is actually the 1st brother.

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I just caught up to ep 21-22 aka QH’s getting duped by his own momma.. Zhu yi long is reaaaaally good as QH gdi! 

Is there any spoilers for tonight episodes? I’m thinking of mtl-ing the novel again since waiting for new subbed episodes is really painful now.. but it might give me headache :mask:

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For anyone who wants to understand the difference in characteristics of Manniang in the drama and in the books:

 

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In the book, MN was never going after GTY's money or status, she was after the image of an ideal love. They first met when GTY saved her from a difficult situation and to her it was a model context of a hero and a damsel in distress. She fell in love with him and assumed that he had to too. Her love can be described as toxic and obsessive. She was so crazy, selfish and jealous and she didn't allow anyone to be more important to him than herself. However GTY didn't love her and never intended to marry her. It drove her into manipulating him so that there would be no one else beside him but her. So she was harder to be shaken off bc she did everything in the name of love and she wouldn't just leave him bc he was at his low. Actually in the book, she never ran off by herself but GTY had to drive her away when he knew about the evil deeds she had done. She didn't love her children, she only saw them as tools to keep GTY with her. Anyone who dared to step in between her and GTY, she considered them as enemy and she would use every way possible to get rid of them. She never realized that what she was doing is wrong, she was just protecting her love. She truly believed that she loved him. I think she had some kind of mental sickness, an obsessive compulsive disorder rather than just being evil. MN in the book is a more unique character. The type of evil manipulative after-the-money supporting female is rather common.

 

For anyone who wants to know her fate:

 

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Her son died from sickness and malnutrition while travelling with her. She went crazy. Her fate after that is left open.

 

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@linhlinh111

Thanks for the info about MN. I agree that her character in the drama is overdone, it would have been better to see her done like the book. I feel like her book personality is often given to second male leads. 

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10 hours ago, dito said:

 

 

I went back to read this scene again in the novel coz i couldn't remember much except ML jumping in the water and GTY saving her.

That scene in the book was so so much better. ML and Xiaotao kicked some bandit butt...

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Bandits attacked the boat in front of them first....ML and her maids and others on the boat were watching it happen. ML ordered every light to be extinguished on the boat and ran to the kitchen and got all the knives, heavy pots and pans that could be wielded as a weapon. Then she distributed them to everyone and told them to hide. She took her own maids and hid in the lower level of the boat which had one door and one window. she and Xiaotao and one other maid stood guard at the door. The maids on upper level got caught and told them about ML hiding below. They heard the bandits talking and knew they were discovered. Xiaotao wanted to kill those people for selling them out. When one of the bandits broke through the door....Xiaotao hit him on the head so hard he fell like a log...then other came the next maid hit him on the head...he fell too...third bandit became alert...and came cautiously....ML jumped out and stabbed with the kitchen knife. Then they hid the bodies and jumped out the window. Only later ML found out Xiaotao never jumped in the water but hid behind the boxes and no one even looked because the bandits thought everyone jumped.

I think 2 bandits died. When GTY saved ML and brought her back, he had his people check out the whole boat. He found the bodies and told ML he will take care of it and told her not to say a word to anyone about it. 

That scene showed all of her quick thinking and smarts. ML even had a plan B fully organized. Suppose the bandits didn't find them but set fire to the boat like they did the first one. Then they will tie themselves with ropes to the wooden boxes kept in the lower level and jump out the window.

 

 

Omg that sounds so much better they really ruined that scene.

 

9 hours ago, UnniSarah said:

@danatepe.... Thanks for that info. I have no idea how happy I am for the news. 

 

 

OMG!!! cCan someone please help me... What happened to Bai He's Momo. I haven't seen her since episode 21. Will she make an appearance later on. I really love this character. She is the only person besides Bai He's mom and grandpa who ever gave a damn for Bai He.  She is one smart cookie. SHe followed that witch until  she can find the proof that the evil richard simmons can be ditched. She is so loving to him.  We need her when he finally establish himself and get a wife. 

 

I think she was just left behind nothing bad has happened to her im pretty sure. 

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