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[Current Mainland Chinese Drama 2018] The Story of Ming Lan 庶女明兰传 / 知否?知否?应是绿肥红瘦

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1 hour ago, gleek49 said:

It's not like people didn't rip GTY to shreds during the first 20 eps of this drama. But guess what, after he fell on his face, the guy moved on, learnt from his mistakes and got back on his feet taller than ever. I don't think anyone is trying to make excuses for GTY or criticized QH because we "picking sides". Some of us just honestly believe that GTY is more suitable for ML, that what he did was within reasons. Some of us, like Xiaotao, just honestly don't like how QH handled his relationship with ML, so we're just stating our opinions, I don't think any of us criticize QH just out of spite to his character. Everyone is entitled to their own feelings/opinions. I guess we just have to agree to disagree.

I dont know why it become who is suitable for ML, If I remember correctly, it start when people criticized QH how wrong he is for going after ML again, people criticized QH that he shouldn't be angry with GTY, etc, and I try to make people understand QH's pov, I never forced my idea, I just try to point something, what if your friend who knows about your love history going after the person who you still have feeling for, how do you feel?, some people actually get what I meant, and when I said taking side, because I feel people dont judge fairly. I'm not expect people will say "yeah QH is the best", no! he is not, he has many flaws, but also GTY, he is not the best either, and this is nothing to do with WHO IS THE BEST FOR ML, it's just the character itself. I dont know, I think maybe I'm not good with explaining something.

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14 minutes ago, leeza77 said:

If qh did what gty had done.. I will applaud him. To do eloborate schemes like this require careful planning, cunning, understanding of human nature...and he got the girl. 

If you applaud him, maybe you are the only one who do that, and base on his character, I will shocked if he can do it, it's like imagining CB become playboy like Liang's 6th son :scream:

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28 minutes ago, Lunkera said:

@UnniSarah I meant the unfavored children who had no one and was schemed against since that was usually the case. Sorry for not properly stating it.

 @Lunkera ok chingu.... :):D :D

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I love how GTY's scheming ensured that ML would have the di daughter status in Sheng household and General's wife status in Gu household. Who wouldn't want to be caught in this trap? His love is so awesome :P

 

On the other hand, QH's love is burdensome. His naivete and good intentions will pave the road to ML's fall. Thankfully, she managed to rein in herself in time.

 

RL's convo with ML (Ep 39) really shows how different ML's thinking is and why QH will never be her lifetime happiness. ML does not need passion and emotional indulgence. Instead, GTY can give her the unwavering devotion that she deserves. They can walk the rest of their lives together by each others' side. Their status did not divide them, neither did societal pressure or family conflicts; and it was all about how they treated each other in the end.

 

This slow burn romance is so realistic, a stark contrast against the ardor in most C-ent storylines, with common tropes - love at first sight, undying love, transcendental love. If it was any other simplistic drama QH and ML would overcome all odds, defy logic and leap over dumb plot holes just by virtue of their feelings for each other. This is why GTY's and ML's relationship is so satisfying.

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1 hour ago, tomo74 said:

Now, talk about GTY, people say his best friend is CB, my question, why GTY have to mislead his bestie about marrying his sister, he can honestly say, "hey bro, I like your 6th sister and I plan to marry her, give me your blessing please", instead he just say (I don't know what his exact word, since I'm not up to that episode) I want to marry your sis (even though what he wants is ML), he should knows that his words will mislead CB and the whole Sheng family, lucky enough that RL doesn't like him, can you imagine what happen if RL likes him too, and they agree to let GTY marry RL, and then GTY will tell them, "um... actually I dont want RL, I want ML", if he is a gentlemen with good moral, he won't do that, how RL can live her life after that rejection, isn't he trashing RL reputation (purposely).

 

No way in chance gty didnt know about RL’s secret affair with the scholar, he said it himself he calculated his proposal mission just like going to war. He must already calculated RL’s temper, she’d do something stupid like meeting the scholar. Similar to what ML did with molan and CL. The fact that he made it that the one who catch them are always his inner circle (nanny in the novel, cb in the drama) means he also calculated the risk of it getting known by public. 

 

Gty could have told cb (I think he should’ve  to spare the poor guy). But who knows how he will react? Will he do the righteous thing by telling grandma and hence open battle between gty and grandma? Or will he help gty cornering his family? Again it mirrors what ML did, by keeping grandma in the dark

 

my take would be QH did it without calculation, he only wanted to help ML at the polo match, he didnt think about the repercussions for ML, getting talked about by the society. While gty understand what will happen, hence when he helps her, he try to do it secretly. Same with the proposal, either rejected by grandma openly or planning it without loopholes with minimum risk

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15 minutes ago, tomo74 said:

So, it's ok for GTY to mislead his best friend?, it's ok to scheme the family?.

About GTY knowing RL has bf it doesn't mean she can not change her mind, he is not GOD who can read people's mind.

If this thing done by QH, I dont know what people going to say.

This is why I said, some people just biased, for certain character it's ok for doing bad thing and have an excuses.

I'm not against GTY, I just want people judge each character fairly.

 

 

Yes, it IS better for him to lie to his best friend than to ask CB to lie to his own family. This is for CB's sake, he rather play the bad guy role than to ask CB to do such unfilial thing for him, how is that wrong of him? Yes, it was not ok to scheme the family, but what can he do? Promise then not deliver like QH? Or go and ask grandma directly then get rejected? Or let Minglan marry He Hongwen and let her be bothered by that Cao cousin of his forever? How does that do anyone any good?

 

And who said if QH does it, we will criticize him? We're criticizing him because he didn't dare to do things like this for Minglan. GTY had already like Minglan when he offer to help QH, that was really selfless of him. Can you say QH will be able to do the same? If you want to judge fairly then answer that.

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So question, when do raws get posted the fastest or where can I watch live on my phone easily? It's almost 3am Friday where I am and I'm hoping I can plan for it and sleep after lol. 

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1 hour ago, historicalfictionftw said:

Side note: GTY seems very haughty in his laughing at most situations... I wonder if it's a defense mechanism.

Thanks you for mentioning that @historicalfictionftw... His laugh is very haughty. I think it is a defense mechanism. Remember he only laughs like that when he got what he wanted. For example when GTY was with ML at the Polo Park, When je got the Spear the Emperor gave him when he was 8 years old. I can’t remember all the scenes he did it in details. But yeah it is a defense mechanism. At first I wasn’t feeling it but now I laugh with him when he does it.  Go to YouTube for Raw..... it will be posted around 0800 to 0900 am Eastern Time @historicalfictionftw

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There is conversation between ml and grandma in ep 36, if i'm not mistaken. The point in choosing husband is that you have to be able to tolerate the lowest character of that person. In he dr, he is too soft, thus it's not good for ml as she had to face the clinging and emotional cousin. Qh lowest character is his filliality towards his mother. In a long run if he might not be able defend her against his mother. Gty lowest character is he is a manipulator and a schemer, but all were done in order to catch her. So, the best of the 3 is gty. Even the grandma admired gty deep mind. 

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1 minute ago, historicalfictionftw said:

So question, when do raws get posted the fastest or where can I watch live on my phone easily? It's almost 3am Friday where I am and I'm hoping I can plan for it and sleep after lol. 

For me, i dont watch it live but i find youtube posting raw eps fastest. Go sleep and when u wake up boom i bet it'll be upload already in youtube haha. These days i been staying up so late to see little clips and update of new eps, i just now realized how important i need my sleep. Dont want to look like a panda. Yikes.

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4 minutes ago, historicalfictionftw said:

So question, when do raws get posted the fastest or where can I watch live on my phone easily? It's almost 3am Friday where I am and I'm hoping I can plan for it and sleep after lol. 

U may watch live here

http://m.zhiboba.org/pindao/hunanweishi.html

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Making of the scene where they bow to the new emperor after ML hand over the decree and military seal

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EP40 is my favourite :lol::lol::lol:

 

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That adorable squabble between ML and GTY when he revealed his schemes is totally like a lovers‘ spat which had me going all giggly inside. ML is so cute leaving in her disbelief and running away just like that aaawwwww

 

And HAHA our favourite comedian Wang daniang finally gets to satisfy her pride and throw barbs at the once high and mighty iron lady Pinning JZ!

 

Even Xiaotao giving QH attitude when he comes knocking on the Sheng door is like whoa, you go girl~

 

 

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forgive me, but I think someone posted before how gty feels insecure, he felt ML isn’t revealing her true self with gty but do so with qh? Is this the correct translation? If it is, how so? Gty is the one ML could let loose with other than grandma.. 

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4 minutes ago, nichiwoohee said:

forgive me, but I think someone posted before how gty feels insecure, he felt ML isn’t revealing her true self with gty but do so with qh? Is this the correct translation? If it is, how so? Gty is the one ML could let loose with other than grandma.. 

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That's what happened in the novel. Both of them have a trust issue. For ml she has to behave obediently without showing emotion. The one time she show her emotion when she blasting qh for naming his kids with her name. She did not trust gty enough to show her emotion fearing that if she did so, she will lost the good things in her life. Like a children who has to obedient or that his toys or privelege will be taken from him. Whilst for qty the way he handle manniang when manniang try kill ml, show the lack of love to ml. He didn't punish manniang severly, but just banished her fr the house. For the drama, maybe some change will be done to this scene. 

 

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42 minutes ago, gleek49 said:

Can you say QH will be able to do the same? If you want to judge fairly then answer that.

Of course he can't because of his personality, why don't you get it, each character represent each personality that's why each character do/react differently, QH's nature totally opposite than GTY's. Ok, I just dropped it, I know I wont be able to make you understand since I'm not good with explaining and I don't want people become hostile.

I want to say thank you to all the people who get what I meant, thank you for understand my point, happy watching :smiley:

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1 hour ago, gleek49 said:

And who said if QH does it, we will criticize him? We're criticizing him because he didn't dare to do things like this for Minglan. GTY had already like Minglan when he offer to help QH, that was really selfless of him. Can you say QH will be able to do the same? If you want to judge fairly then answer that.

 

If GTY fell in love with ML first and ML reciprocated his feelings, then I don't see why not QH wouldn't help him. Until you're in that person's shoes, I say don't be so haste to judge.

IMO, nobody is at fault here, be it GTY or QH, just different circumstances.

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Ha ha.. Uncle id cute and irritating 

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Such a second uncle is really cute
and irritating:I heard that He Hongwen had a childhood cousin who gave me a happy night without sleeping. 
I know that your sister and Wen Yanjing have a private meeting. I am happy and didn't sleep for one night.

http://p.weibo.com/show/channerWbH5/1034:4329851579222606

 

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1 hour ago, gleek49 said:

 

Yes, it IS better for him to lie to his best friend than to ask CB to lie to his own family. This is for CB's sake, he rather play the bad guy role than to ask CB to do such unfilial thing for him, how is that wrong of him? Yes, it was not ok to scheme the family, but what can he do? Promise then not deliver like QH? Or go and ask grandma directly then get rejected? Or let Minglan marry He Hongwen and let her be bothered by that Cao cousin of his forever? How does that do anyone any good?

 

I just want to point out that Cao cousin only appear in the capital because of GTY. She and her family were exiled due to her father's mistake as an official. She was already a concubine of this military official in far away city. It was GTY who bought her freedom and helped them get out of their exile status. He is also the one who told them to go to the capital instead of going back to their hometown. He asked Shitou Sao Paung (gang) family which business is transporting goods from city to city to help transport the Cao family back to the city. That is why Cao family were able to get back to the capital in fastest possible way. If GTY did not interfere, Cao family will still be in exile and Cao cousin won't come bother Dr. He and ML. 

 

Wedding procession. I think it will be in tonight's episode.

https://s.weibo.com/weibo/%E7%9F%A5%E5%90%A6%E9%A2%84%E5%91%8A?topnav=1&wvr=6&b=1

 

 

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47 minutes ago, leeza77 said:
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That's what happened in the novel. Both of them have a trust issue. For ml she has to behave obediently without showing emotion. The one time she show her emotion when she blasting qh for naming his kids with her name. She did not trust gty enough to show her emotion fearing that if she did so, she will lost the good things in her life. Like a children who has to obedient or that his toys or privelege will be taken from him. Whilst for qty the way he handle manniang when manniang try kill ml, show the lack of love to ml. He didn't punish manniang severly, but just banished her fr the house. For the drama, maybe some change will be done to this scene. 

 

Hmmm interesting but judging from how GTY's feelings was portrayed in the drama, and they still go with the plot of banishing manniang after that, I thi k it's not because GTY doesn't love ming lan enough but it's because somehow this man that is so manipulative is still somehow softhearted towards manniang even though he doesn't love anyone but Ming lan.. I think GTY being angre at ming lan for not trusting him enough is just a childish argument because he felt that Ming lan doesn't really tell him everything she feels. And he just want to be the one she turns to at every corner for help, arguments and comfort.. He just wants to her upmost priority.. Very childish their love is.. And even though ming lan is also in love with him, she still wants to prepare for the bad days if he turns against her one day and that's why she doesn't want to invest in much emotional banter with GTY so that she won't be so disappointed if he betrays her, which won't happen. So I think they are just being childish and they also want to have some lover's spat since they have been too harmonized lately... Couples must have some childish and unreasonable fights to strengthen the relationship. Hahahahaj

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