[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[40somethingahjumma]

*not reading, not reading, not reading*

I wonder if Ji Mong doesn't happen to have a cryo tube somewhere in his attic...

I'll take anything including a deus ex machina right now. 

I'm not here.... *slinks away*

[antiherofans]

5 hours ago, Rose34 said:

Agree you on all these! Except horse also died here.  Sorry to burst the bubble. This drama is tragic yet deep on so many levels. No happily ever after, Goryeo version. Ugh. 

 

Sorry to cut your post. I know the horse die but at least die as a horse. Not turn into this evil horse and start to kill people 

[millie10468]

It occurs to me this fandom was divided into a couple of categories during the course of the drama:

Cat. 1: People who had read/watched the C-BBJX and knew going in that the possibility of a happy ending, thereby deviating from the source material, was extremely thin and therefore didn't even hope for anything different.

Cat. 2: People from Cat. 1 who hoped K-BBJX would end differently than C-BBJX.

Cat. 3: People who had no knowledge of the source material and assumed some kind of happy ending was imminent.

Cat. 4: People from Cat. 3 who got their google-fu on quite early and realized just how unhappy the ending was going to be based on real history.

Which category did/do you belong to?

I ask because it makes me wonder how different our viewing experiences were. Especially for the people whose viewing pleasure are spoiled by spoilers and those that find spoilers to just whet their anticipation more.

Did having a general gist of what was going to happen make the drama more or less interesting to watch?

@MAROSA_JIN and @briseis Thanks for the new stills.

Sigh. Soo's determination (and devastation at having) to poke a few more holes in her already sinking ship is pretty clear from the pictures. Tomorrow's episode's definitely not going to be easy to watch

[enigmaticangel]

@nightwitch @chrissydiva OMG!! Even my birthday is on NOV 1..I think the finale will be one of d greatest gifts we receive on our birthday i think..

[liddi]

@ruizaio Thank you very much for the clarification regarding the court garments. In that case, I guess there was no particular rhyme or reason to the outfits that were worn by the princes up to Gwangjong's reign, including number of claws or otherwise. What about colours? Gold is usually considered an imperial colour, yet Yo was the only one wearing it, while this Gwangjong remains predominantly in black.

[Siracusa]

15 minutes ago, MAROSA_JIN said:

Still cuts

Sigh...that is the face after a bad break up.

[liddi]

@millie10468 I belong in Category 1, in that I know both the novel and the Cdrama, and do not hold out much hope for a happy ending, at least in in the Goryeo era, and actually in some ways, feel that a happy ending there would not be BBJX otherwise. However, I am also one who is open to the reinterpretation of the source material in the Kversion, as is evident that I am just as invested in MLSHR emotionally, as I was in the original. All I ask is that, whatever the journey, and however the ending, it remains true to the spirit of the source material, and is one that is satisfying (not necessarily happy, but meaningful) and ultimately, memorable - creating its unique mark in my heart.

[briseis]

2 hours ago, htk9207 said:

 

No one can deny the fact that WS was wrong with his decision to withhold the truth about Chae Ryung's true colours, and only told HS after CR was beaten to death. But, I would have to disagree with the other three you mentioned. Especially, the first two.

1.  It was Hae Soo herself who didn't accept his proposal. She may not say it directly but it    was her way of telling him to marry someone else, someone who can help him with the  throne.

2. He left because his brother King Yo ordered him to leave the palace to oversee the  construction. If he didn't follow the King's command the King could easily use or threaten HS  life. 

3. Wang Yo was already consumed by his own guilt. He killed two of his own brothers. It was still daylight but he was already being haunted by Eun's cry for mercy. 

 

Moon Lovers is such an incredible story. It touched countless viewers so deeply, and so intensely. To read so many posts analyzing HS and WS actions is so amazing. And despite seeing how much love the show is getting internationally, I couldn't help but wish for a higher domestic rating for it's final episode. This is the first Kdrama that made me so completely obsessed that I find the wait for the last two episodes unbearable. And knowing how sad Episode 19 will be, I decided to watch LJG's Joseon Gunman's first two episodes. I'm now so glad I did. To see a lighthearted LJG character is pure happiness. Tonight I'Il be emotionally ready for Episode 19. Bring it on.

 

This is simply great! About WS making decision without HS, I'm not actually sure what is meant by it, particularly the "over and over", however if it's about CR's punishment - he has no obligation whatsoever to consult with HS about the way he decides to punish criminals (AS THE KING WS IS THE HIGHEST JUDGE IN THE COUNTRY AND IS THE SYMBOL AND HEAD OF THE WORDLY JUTICE - which many people seem to forget) and CR was a criminal of the highest order, a criminal who didn't regret her crimes until the very end,  a criminal he should have punished much earlier but didn’t out of love for HS. He truly hoped he wouldn’t have to kill CR and tried not to kill her until the very end. Why he didn’t tell her about it? I think many people want WS to be this strong perfect male lead without fear, but he is afraid and he is weak - WHEN HE IS WITH HS. Just imagine the situation he told her that he decided to kill CR - HS would be as much heartbroken as she is now, she would have begged him to pardon her, to show mercy, and he would have probably given up and fulfil her wish just like he had allowed CR to stay. He couldn’t have allowed that BECAUSE CR WAS TOO DANGEROUS TO BE KEPT ALIVE.

On 28. 10. 2016 at 7:47 AM, kdramawriter said:

You're using the wrongs words for this. Wang So does not seek justice, he seeks vengeance. And that's reflected in the show. When General Park asks him why Wang So killed all those monks, because he certainly didn't teach WS to kill people because he can, WS answered that he was protecting the country. That is vengeance because he is both judge, jury and executioner. That is not justice. 

Here's a dictionary definition to make it clear: 

Justice (n) just behavior or treatment. the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness.

Vengeance (n) - punishment inflicted or retribution exacted for an injury or wrong. 

To be clear, WS inflicts vengeance on his enemies, not justice. He is not concerned with justice because in his moral system, he is not concerned with being morally correct, he is interested in punishing his enemies. That is the definition of vengeance. And this precisely where I deviate from my reading of this scene. Hae Su would never agree to vengeance because Hae Su is a modern person. As a person of the 21st century, she understands basic human rights, which is why she bucks so much against the beating of Chae Ryung.

A good example of this is that a serial killer might DESERVE vengeance, but it would not be JUSTICE to kill him. It would be justice to prosecute the serial killer with evidence in a court of law and to have a judge/jury mete out punishment as fitting the crime. That is justice. 

It is not wrong for her to feel that Chae Ryung's punishment was inhumane, because it WAS. WS will not understand why this punishment of CR is unfair because he has no moral code that teaches him human life is important above everything else. It might feel unfair to WS because of his moral code, but she is well within her understanding of the world to disagree and not support the beating of her friend who has done wrong. She SHOULD never have to agree to the kind of punishment she sees as inhumane. HS says this from the beginning. That to be tied up and beaten like an animal, how can world be like this? I believe that WS did what he thought was right, but that HS has the full right to deny him to react the way she does. It is unfair to say that HS shouldn't feel a certain way because Wang So was hurting and felt like he did the right thing. That's denying her humanity. 

 

 

 

I'm sorry for replying so late, but there were public holidays in my country and I've just returned from abroad where I spent 3 days with my family. It's hard to type a long posts on a phone.

I think it always depends on the point of view - the truth is in the heart of the beholder, so to say. Some readers may agree with me, so with you. I'm not trying to bash HS (I've been one of her biggest advocates even when most of the fandom turned against her - I have 120+ posts to prove it), but I felt disappointed by her in the latter half of episode 18, and what I write is merely critcism of her actions which I don't like (if WS did something I would disagree I would criticize him as well).

I don't deny HS's right to disagree with the inhuman punishment - it's one of the things which I admire about her - so I'm not blaming her for her initial reaction. However, what I truly can't bear is the sheer hypocricy of her reaction - she so quickly forgives CR for all her crimes, crimes which are 100% more terrible and inhuman than the punishment WS sentenced her to, crimes she committed for selfish reasons. Even after learning that CR was betraying her for years she chooses CR's side not WS, the side of a multiple murderess. Yet, she puts all the blame on WS - it's her who's being unjust here - giving forgiveness to one while completely vilify the other. And it's not a separate incident - vilifying him, blaming him, distrusting him without giving him the benefit of doubt, thinking the worst of him is something she's been doing thoughout the 10 years - when she had those visions, whenshe thought he would kill Eun, when she thought that he married the little princes to become a king,... (all these instances are the reason why the whole forum was cheering SD when she asked HS why she didn't trust the person she claimed to love).

I still consider WS's decision to punish CR as justice; it even does fulfil all the requirments of the definition you posted:

Justice (n) just behavior or treatment. the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness.

Just and moral are points of view; and the meaning, concept and interpretation of these two words in the 10th century (Middle Age) differ from today's view. We cannot judge them according to the ideals of the 21th century. Also, WS's actions towards CR are both righteousness and equitableness - CR caused many people to die (not even talking about the people who have to live without their loved one; and even if she killed only Moo - that's a fratricide), therefore death is the only equitable punishment in this situation (even today she would have received death penalty for it in the US or Japan - all democratic countries with their own Charters of Fundamental Rights and Freedoms; and like I said - lethal injection simply wasn't an option in the 10th century). If WS truly wanted to revenge himself on CR he would have killed her himself, if he truly wanted to revenge on her he WOULDN'T HAVE GIVEN HER TWO CHANCES TO REPENT.

"She was waiting for a moment to harm you. I had no reason or need to forgive her."

I think what I forgot to mention before about WS ordering CR's death and the manner in which she was executed as a deterrent example is ANOTHER ASPECT AND PURPOSE OF THE PUNISHMENT - IT WAS A NECCESARY PREVENTIVE MEASURE. The fact, that CR continued to betray HS showed WS that she is a threat, that she had no qualms hurting others for her selfish gains, that SHE WOULDN'T HAVE STOPPED UNTIL SOMEONE STOPPED HER. Just imagine if she was kept alive, she would have continued to hurt HS and other people, just like she had hurt Eun and SD (the collateral damage of her actions) - SHE WAS TOO DANGEROUS TO BE KEPT ALIVE BECAUSE SHE WAS DANGEROUS TO OTHERS. And prevention is another reason/aspect of a just punishment. If could either let her hang or use the opportunity to send a warning sign to all court ladies, as a preventive measure, what's the prize of betrayal - yes, it was cruel, ruthless but also shrews and brilliant. That's why Gwangjong managed to rule for 26 years as an absolute rule, like a god over the whole country and no one dared to defy him.

[Gabi Bros]

When you realized everyone is dying and Jimong is like:

Spoiler

 

[zanierpk]

13 minutes ago, millie10468 said:

It occurs to me this fandom was divided into a couple of categories during the course of the drama:

Cat. 1: People who had read/watched the C-BBJX and knew going in that the possibility of a happy ending, thereby deviating from the source material, was extremely thin and therefore didn't even hope for anything different.

Cat. 2: People from Cat. 1 who hoped K-BBJX would end differently than C-BBJX.

Cat. 3: People who had no knowledge of the source material and assumed some kind of happy ending was imminent.

Cat. 4: People from Cat. 3 who got their google-fu on quite early and realized just how unhappy was going to be based on history

Which category did/do you belong to?

I ask because it makes me wonder how different our viewing experiences were. Especially for the people whose viewing pleasure are spoiled by spoilers and those that find spoilers to just whet their anticipation more.

Did having a general gist of what was going to happen make the drama more or less interesting to watch?

@MAROSA_JIN and @briseis Thanks for the new stills.

Sigh. Soo's determination (and devastation at having) to poke a few more holes in her already sinking ship is pretty clear from the pictures. Tomorrow's episode's definitely not going to be easy to watch

 

I am category no. 2

[kingpin]

This moment will be sad 

EP19 still cuts 'breakup scene' Wang so: Starting from today, I will never see you again.

 

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Lee Joon Gi To Watch Final Episode Of “Scarlet Heart: Goryeo” With Fans

C. Hong October 30, 2016

 

Actor Lee Joon Gi has kept on top of the fanservice throughout his drama “Scarlet Heart: Goryeo’s” run, and even though it’s almost over, he’s not planning on stopping!

His agency, Namoo Actors, revealed that Lee Joon Gi is planning a mini fanmeeting on November 1 where he and some lucky fans will watch the final episode together. The fanmeeting will be free of charge and there are already 10,000 applicants.

A source from the agency said, “We planned this event to create good memories with Lee Joon Gi and his fans. We thought that there might be many applicants, but never on this scale. We are very surprised but very grateful.”

On October 30, Lee Joon Gi posted to his personal Instagram, “I was shocked to see so many people apply~ I’ve also received the regrets of people who can’t come and I’m sorry! I will try and create better opportunities in the future.”

He also announced that more details about the event would be given on Tuesday.

“Scarlet Heart: Goryeo” began broadcasting earlier this autumn and airs its final episode on November 1.

Soompi

 

[ShaiKeun]

I went out jogging while listening to the OST of MLSHR. When suddenly there was a pain squeezing my heart and can't help myself not to cry.  I was thinking that why SBS is so unfair to this drama. Jun Ki's acting is beyond par and the OST songs are all great. Why they have not even nominate them?  Where is justice? Then, i laughed at myself saying " Shai, you silly girl." I am too involved with this kdrama. The MLSHR virus is  all over me.  What can i do?  Tomorrow, it will come to its end and Every one is uncertain  what the ending is. There is only one that i am certain, MLSHR wiill always be in my heart. Gaining kdrama buddies in this  thread is a pleasure. Just tell me where to meet again ( what thread) and i will be there.  THANK YOU, ECLIPSERS! 

 

[MezzJowdie]

I belong to Category 2, i was hoping that creative license was = happy ending for our OTP, i mean c-version was sad but MLSHR is devastating. Subjecting myself to this torture was baaadd but i enjoyed the ride.... I was hoping it would have been good to have 30 episodes to close all the loops and not rush it. But oh! Well. One thing i would be missing about this drama is you all. This thread is my support system while waiting for my monday and tuesday fix 

[ruizaio]

@liddi Same thing. Color coding by position will be introduced when Gwangjong officially introduces the Chinese system. For now it's whatever the costume department has for each prince/king...

[Gabi Bros]

31 minutes ago, millie10468 said:

It occurs to me this fandom was divided into a couple of categories during the course of the drama:

Cat. 1: People who had read/watched the C-BBJX and knew going in that the possibility of a happy ending, thereby deviating from the source material, was extremely thin and therefore didn't even hope for anything different.

Cat. 2: People from Cat. 1 who hoped K-BBJX would end differently than C-BBJX.

Cat. 3: People who had no knowledge of the source material and assumed some kind of happy ending was imminent.

Cat. 4: People from Cat. 3 who got their google-fu on quite early and realized just how unhappy the ending was going to be based on real history.

Which category did/do you belong to?

Cat. # 2: I liked that the drama was (or is) unpredictable but i fear now that the final episode will be predictable. Haesoo dying in Jung's arms, Wangso not being able to be with her in her last moments, etc. But still I have like 25% of hope for it to end happier.  

[chrissydiva]

17 minutes ago, enigmaticangel said:

@nightwitch @chrissydiva OMG!! Even my birthday is on NOV 1..I think the finale will be one of d greatest gifts we receive on our birthday i think..

Yeah a "screw you" gift lol Sorry I'm not holding to any hope of happy ending. Not being pessimistic just being real. Whatever words people are holding on to from the PD (if he really did say that) is moot. From my experience, writers, pds, and even actors lie! They are not above that. The only ending I'll believe in is the rolling credit of epi 20 lol

[redlion]

Good morning eclipses...... finally MONDAY!!!!!

My heart frantic pounding....thum..thum....thum.....thum waiting tonight episode!! 

Scare...anxious...Happy.....sad...  ughhhh mixed feelings!!!!! 

 

[junejungki]

27 minutes ago, millie10468 said:

It occurs to me this fandom was divided into a couple of categories during the course of the drama:

Cat. 1: People who had read/watched the C-BBJX and knew going in that the possibility of a happy ending, thereby deviating from the source material, was extremely thin and therefore didn't even hope for anything different.

Cat. 2: People from Cat. 1 who hoped K-BBJX would end differently than C-BBJX.

Cat. 3: People who had no knowledge of the source material and assumed some kind of happy ending was imminent.

Cat. 4: People from Cat. 3 who got their google-fu on quite early and realized just how unhappy the ending was going to be based on real history.

Which category did/do you belong to?

I ask because it makes me wonder how different our viewing experiences were. Especially for the people whose viewing pleasure are spoiled by spoilers and those that find spoilers to just whet their anticipation more.

Did having a general gist of what was going to happen make the drama more or less interesting to watch?

@MAROSA_JIN and @briseis Thanks for the new stills.

Sigh. Soo's determination (and devastation at having) to poke a few more holes in her already sinking ship is pretty clear from the pictures. Tomorrow's episode's definitely not going to be easy to watch

Im category 4. 

[MoOnLoVeRz]

the new stills have made my morning turn like this 

(*CROSSING FINGERS) WS please don't go straight to your room after this tear jerking break up scene! chaebalyo~~~

[antiherofans]

41 minutes ago, Gabi Bros said:

When you realized everyone is dying and Jimong is like:

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Yes, this is all Jimong's fault