[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[Gabi Bros]

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2 hours ago, antiherofans said:

 

I am sorry, how do you quoted long post in hidden content? I don't know how to do it and end up quote super long post.

Thank you for your help.

@antiherofans

I do that in this way: Quote the post, cut it (for pasting later). You can cut the entire post (for pasting later) by clicking over the cross sign that is bellow the "B" (bold) and then CTRL+X as usual. After that, clic in the eye for hidden content and paste the quoted post inside. 

[shiraru]

IU is loved and she is also lovely~~~

It's already 31st October here, and I'm going to prepare my heart and buy more tissues for tonight's episode. Be strong, Eclipses! We can get through this together!!

[kdramawriter]

5 hours ago, arabela said:

She is unfair cause with her friend she only see his ruthlessness, when in fact her friend poisoned someone and made his life miserable and caused a slow and painful death, and had also made other two people die. HS can forgive her if this she wants, but cannot treat so easily her conscious participation in three painfully deaths. So, is not fair to see only WS crimes and treat lightly other s ones. Just because her friend loved she was not in a less guilty position. 

For me it seems more like she wasn't able to see WS as he really is and feels disappointed now to discover that this man can be cruel, can kill, cannot forgive those who betrayed him. ....but more than anything she cannot see the hole contexts and how unsafe and unstable and dangerous his own situation is ..... like she is the wife of a solder and is much more concerned with the people he kills than with the simple fact that his life is also in danger ....I would like to see her first and most preoccupied with his life and only after with the life of the others and the morality of his actions .....if someone died kill your friend but your friend participate in killing others and put a seriously threat to the life of your beloved, who you care the most? ..

But maybe is  more the blame of the writer andirector than HS's

I disagree with all of this. It's not about fairness at the end of the day. Love doesn't happen because we are fair to people. Relationships are built because of trust and because of understanding and Hae Su and Wang So do not have it anymore. It is not the end of their love, but it is the end of their relationship. @zi4r said it perfectly here:

And all of it circles back to WS not treating HS like an adult, like someone with a logical thinking head, like an equal. The role of the protector and the provider in this relationship has overruled his need to respect her opinions & wishes. And for that, this relationship is doomed even before it can truly blossom.

WS does not trust Hae Su. He did not trust her to understand his reasons for killing Chae Ryung, he did not prepare for her brutal execution. He has over and over, made decisions without her:

1. Marrying the princess (the first time, Mu's daughter)

2. Leaving her for three years because General Park told him he had to give up someone for the throne. 

3. Killing Wang Yo psychologically to gain the throne

And she has accepted his decisions many times. He expects her to understand that he knows what's best for her. In those previous circumstances, the situation had an end goal. He expects her to understand AGAIN, with very little explanation until after the fact why he killed Chae Ryung. Even if all the facts were laid out logically, it doesn't wipe away the fact that Hae Su witness the bloody torture. There are logical reactions and there are emotional reactions. I can't fault Hae Su for having a very real emotional reaction to the brutal death of her friend. Many of you see this as Hae Su as being fickle, but I see this as Hae Su giving up. She's had enough. 

The wife of a soldier analogy is flawed. Hae Su has never said explicitly to Wang So that she would accept his actions no matter what. That's an assumption on the viewers part because she loves him. But to love someone is not to agree with all of their actions. We've seen her give up part of herself for him again and again, despite disagreeing with him on the really important parts of their relationship (i.e. being monogamous, having autonomy in her own life). She has tried incredibly hard to fit into his world, but ultimately, her core values are being changed and that's unacceptable to Hae Su.

1. She believes in the value of human life, no matter what.
2. She believes that she should not have a part in the taking of lives.
3. She does not want to be controlled by others.

 

On all three principals, Hae Su's central belief system has been upended. She cannot hang on to anything that defines who she is. And I don't believe Hae Su is defined by her love for Wang So. Certainly, it's a great epic love, but we are not defined by our relationship to men. We stand as characters strong enough to decide our own destinies. Thats why I will cheer on Hae Su. 

[NitaA]

2 hours ago, Rose34 said:

Agree you on all these! Except horse also died here.  Sorry to burst the bubble. This drama is tragic yet deep on so many levels. No happily ever after, Goryeo version. Ugh. 

Excellent defence for Wang So and questioning of Hae Soo's actions, more precisely her judgement. Persuasively and eloquently argued. I am in the minority who understand both actions/decisions given the circumstances and the environment but more crucially, it is simply because who they are as a person. In the sense of their values, ideals and principles that they hold strongly to. I been meaning to write a post of my defence for both but I am seriously contemplating the quality of what I have written. Lol. This drama zapped my mental energy. There are many excellent posts defending one's action against the other (Hae Soo vs Wang So). This is one of the excellent posts in defence for Wang So. I will reply to this post/topic tomorrow. Need to sleep now. 

I agree with your response, I too understand the reasoning behind both parties actions. Also to add to this, HS said in her monolog when she stood in front of the throne and he asked her if she even worry about him dying. She said to herself  GJ has long reign, so she knew he was not going to die anytime soon. I am sure she has concerns and worries for him but not to the point that he is going to die young. As for everyone else, she's not sure.

[dancingbee]

 I miss these two......      
 They did not have to die... In the C-version, they were the happiest of all....

 

Cr: as tagged

 

[NitaA]

1 hour ago, AryRa said:

 

 

Yes indeed... even horse also died... pat pat the tree also died... the cute bird also died and burnt ...

totally chaos ... lol

 

Not to mentioned countless wolves. On the brighter side, we know BB cream and soap found their glory.....

[Uniform Victory]

5 hours ago, Killa92 said:

Oh... I though it could at least be nominated even not winning.  Because I remember Pinnochio wining lots of award even when still airing. Well I don't really understand SBS year end award how they choose the nominees and stuff

 

If Moon Lovers don't win an awards, there's something wrong with their awarding system. It should sweep all awards. LJG should win both a daesang and top excellent actor awards. His performance as Wang So is the best performance not only this year but of  all time. 

[Uniform Victory]

6 hours ago, dancingbee said:

 I miss these two......      
 They did not have to die... In the C-version, they were the happiest of all....

 

 

Cr: as tagged

 

That is why I don't understand why even up to now there are still many reference about the c-drama, Moon Lovers is a different drama.

 

[lazyme2day]

From what I understand, not many Korean dramas do sequels unless the drama itself can take on an entirely new storyline while being able to use the same title again, like: IRIS, IRIS 2, Dream High and Dream High 2. These dramas took on a new set of cast.  Since Scarlet Heart Ryeo is pre-filmed, it may or may not have a sequel pre-planned.  As far as I understand, some Korean dramas (if not most) have a tight filming schedule as they continue to film while the drama itself was still airing on TV.  With this type of production, it has its pros and cons.  Pros being that viewers' comments may be heard or noticed by PDs, and may slightly/entirely change their original storyline to suit the viewers' taste (to get more ratings).  However, changing the storyline during the middle of the drama itself may turn into a disaster if it weren't handled with diligence.

Having said the above, it may be really hard to say if there's a sequel to this drama or not, at least we won't know until we watch the last episode.  If I remembered correctly, someone (I think it was from Twitter) mentioned before that one of the PDs said that Korean version will be a bit more tragic than the Chinese version (but do correct me if I am wrong as it's been a while for me ). I hope I remembered incorrectly, or else please have mercy on us, dear lord. LOL  

If the episode on Tuesday does happen to have an open ending, the PDs and broadcasting station (SBS) are being safe as they can decide later whether to do a sequel or not. So even if they don't do a sequel, at least viewers are given a little hope for one. The production team is just one of the factors to consider for a sequel, the other factor is whether the same cast are offered the roles or willing to take on the roles in the sequel if given (which is hard to say depending on how the drama did the first time in terms of ratings, I'm guessing).  

I don't know if most of you know, but there is a sequel to BBJX (i.e., BBJX 2), which takes place in the modern day. Although I haven't had the chance to watch it entirely, I did watch snippets of it and noticed some of the same cast from the first one are in it (that means the main male and female lead). Apparently, they did sort of picked up from where BBJX ended (at the museum). Moreover, they did include a few items in the modern sequel (4th Prince's thumb ring, the hairpin that 4th Prince gave to RuoXi, and the painting of all the princes and Ruoxi together).  Of course for me, I couldn't help myself but to watch the last episode of the Chinese sequel and there, they have given viewers a happy ending where the modern 4th prince says to modern day Ruoxi (Sorry I have forgotten their names in the modern day):

4th Prince:  I have finally found you.

RuoXi:  We are finally together.

 

 

So yeah, let's keep our fingers crossed and see if we will see a sequel in the near future.  

On a side note, since Scarlet Heart Ryeo is pre-filmed and is being broadcasted in many countries and cities across Asia and North America, you can sort of tell that the drama is actually aiming more towards the international market than locally in South Korea. If you think about it, that's where most of the $$$ comes in from endorsements and CFs. But at the same time, the drama and SBS cannot neglect its Korean viewers, which is why they have to broadcast in Korea despite the drama is being under rated by locals (which is ridiculous if I may say so).  So maybe, if the drama is doing quite well overseas and/or across other Asian countries, we may get a sequel. (Geez, I'm already imagining how hot Lee Joon-gi would look like in the modern version.   I think we have to do some rituals for the drama gods, so that our prayers for a sequel will come true. LOL )

 

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To be honest, despite loving this drama a lot, I am a bit disappointed with the number of episodes there are for this drama. 20 episodes are just not enough, making the drama a bit rushed to finish. I would probably prefer 24 or 25 episodes in total.  But I guess I cannot blame the production team (especially when I have watched the drama, "Producers", also starring Lee Ji-Eun aka IU), as they do have a deadline to meet and have to stay on schedule. Sigh...

In 2 days time, I will be facing a major withdrawal syndrome! Ottoke? Anyways, it's way past my bedtime now and I hope what I wrote above makes sense.  Enjoy the rest of your day, everyone!  Oh and sorry for the long post.

[kdramawriter]

http://qz.com/801067/an-epic-battle-between-feminism-and-deep-seated-misogyny-is-under-way-in-south-korea/?utm_source=atlfb

In light of the misogyny in Korean culture (as it is in every culture, not saying other countries don't suffer from this too) I really think the writer wrote an immersive love story, had us fall for a misogynist hero, but then have us experience the very real pain of realizing how this kind of attitude undermines the trust and understanding in all our relationships. As a political commentary, I kinda find this story to be brilliant in this way. I might be reading too much into this, but I kinda love my reading. 

[littleloony]

I found this vid which focuses on Wang So as he is and as he feels/ thinks he should be....the lyrics are so apt to describe what he aspires to be and what he has been perceived to be by everyone (including HS at some point).....thought I'd share....kinda throwback to earlier eps  

 

[Uniform Victory]

17 minutes ago, kdramawriter said:

http://qz.com/801067/an-epic-battle-between-feminism-and-deep-seated-misogyny-is-under-way-in-south-korea/?utm_source=atlfb

In light of the misogyny in Korean culture (as it is in every culture, not saying other countries don't suffer from this too) I really think the writer wrote an immersive love story, had us fall for a misogynist hero, but then have us experience the very real pain of realizing how this kind of attitude undermines the trust and understanding in all our relationships. As a political commentary, I kinda find this story to be brilliant in this way. I might be reading too much into this, but I kinda love my reading. 

 

However, I find the love story to be just a subplot of the main plot which is the political aspect of it. This journey of Wang So to the throne & strengthening his reign was the main plot for this drama. This what got me hooked In Moon Lovers. Most importantly, the portrayal of Wang So was just sublime. Lee Joon Gi is such a brilliant an amazing actor.

 

That is Why I don't understand those references from the c-version as that drama was female- centric. The main protagonist was the girl. Unlike Moon Lovers, Wang So is the main protagonist, not Hae So. 

[mabelialong]

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[Siracusa]

To keep myself from crying too much during the final episodes, I made a BINGO card (cross off five squares in a row to get BINGO) to play while watching. 

[MikaylaP]

I have had a heartache for the past week. Tommorow I've got an exam and I can't concentrate just thinking about what is going to happen tommorrow. I just can't take all of this. I want to lie in my bed and cryyyy 

[littleloony]

@zi4r loved your feminist rant Seriously you said everything that I felt frustrated with SHR so I won't repeat it. I agree wholeheartedly with the lack of Yeon Hwa's character growth.Kang Hana would have done more than justice to more screen time had they developed her character more. As it is I have a hard time not thinking up a fantasy where YH would be a really good Queen for Wang So because LJG has chemistry with KH and I kind of want Wang So to not lead a sad and bitter life in Goryeo after Hae Su's death

I had held out hope that they would show us why YH is so desperate for power as well Wook's fear of losing the small power and prestige he held (in the early eps) and how it might be linked to their exile. I had thought they would show how much Wook's family had suffered during that period and may be as a result YH has become so focused and determined never to be in such a position again. It would have added the necessary context to both YH and Wook's motivations and actions and made our job of hating them a bit more difficult. I would have loved to sympathise with YH and be forced to think whether I should support her as the Queen, Wang So needs despite rooting for the OTP. Instead they just made her a copy of Queen Yu (what with the bath scene and 'Goryeo should belong to my son' utterings) who can be described as pretty much a one track minded villain. I am sad at the lost opportunity

[ladymochi]

While i'm discussing Moon Lover - Scarlet Heart Ryeo with my hubby,
He tells me a folklore story about the story of Maiden of the Sun and Man of the Moon.

This story describes the tragic love story of Nkauj Hnub and Nraug Hli, who will forever yearn for each other’s love and are only allowed fleeting moments together. It is also an origin story of how the Sun and Moon came to be and eclipse

https://ahmongwoman.com/tag/folklore/

I think Moon Lovers - Scarlet Heart Ryeo added, eclipse element maybe.. inspired by this folklore 
It’s a historical fact that a total solar eclipse occurred in autumn 941 (GHJ/HS arrival to Goryeo) & and then in summer 975 (GWANGJONG’S DEATH)

@ruizaio mention this before "Meanwhile, Gwangjong's courtesy name 日華 means corona (the aura of the sun that's visible around the moon during a total eclipse).
Wang So name means "moon" 

Hae Soo and Wang So tragic love story similar to the story of Maiden of the Sun and Man of the Moon

Quote (forgot who mention this)
I thought the dark-night-Wang So would meet the bright-sunshine-Soo just like the MOON as a fusion of the dark night with the sunlight. I begin to doubt that. Or maybe the moon wouldn't light in Goryeo tenth century, but in Seoul 21st century. I truly pray with all my heart.
Luckyly Hae Soo / Go Ha Jin from the future so i hope in the last episode Hae Soo / GHJ finally find happiness with Modern Wang So

I imagine MLSHR my ending version will be like..

Hae Soo died during "Gwang Jong" era which also happened to means Corona (mention it before) which only appear during total solar eclipse.

Her death, apparently let her back to the future.
Hae Soo returned to the body of Go Ha Jin in the same spot & the same time when she drown in the Lake during eclipse...
she lost her consciusness...
Suddenly someone appeared just in time to rescue her 
Go Ha Jin wake up, but she still in the state of shock...
She try to grasp every moment that was happened in a short time,
When suddenly she realised that someone is standing in front of her.
Which is none other than her rescuer (Modern Wang So) that eventualy doesn't recognised her at all...
She try to tell him about everything that was happened, every story that they got through together.... *flashback
But in the end he still didn't understand what she said, and just attempt to calm and comfort the confused Go Ha Jin, 
He smile with relieve to see the person that he rescued is ok.
At that moment, a tear drops from her eyes and Go Ha Jin eventually realised that everything happened to her while she is in Hae Soo body was just like a bitter sweet dream that only occured during the eclipse when the moon and sun reunite.
(Can you hear my heart song play in the background)

Here edited picture of So - Soo couple~ 
Moon Lovers~
Let's pampers our eyes to your heart content *preparation for Scarlet Heart Storm ep 19..

Part 2 - After wedding

So ~ Soo Volleyball team :3

Hae Soo : Pyeha i ❤ u

Wookie : Me too~ Hyung-nim~

 

❤️ \ ^0^ / Enjoy~ 

P. S. Can't wait to see your Scarlet Heart Ryeo Support Project video @akinahana89 Ganbatte dear!

[itzibitzispider]

22 minutes ago, Siracusa said:

To keep myself from crying too much during the final episodes, I made a BINGO card (cross off five squares in a row to get BINGO) to play while watching. 

I don't care ... I quote the picture

Thank you for making me laugh 

[littleloony]

31 minutes ago, Uniform Victory said:

 

However, I find the love story to be just a subplot of the main plot which is the political aspect of it. This journey of Wang So to the throne & strengthening his reign was the main plot for this drama. This what got me hooked In Moon Lovers. Most importantly, the portrayal of Wang So was just sublime. Lee Joon Gi is such a brilliant an amazing actor.

 

That is Why I don't understand those references from the c-version as that drama was female- centric. The main protagonist was the girl. Unlike Moon Lovers, Wang So is the main protagonist, not Hae So. 

Just agreeing very much with you seeing LJG go from Wang So to Gwangjong is the reason I am addicted to SHR. At first I had also thought I would be seeing an epic love story, but later I realized my idea of epic did not match with the show's idea of the term so I let go of my expectations on that front. I have soo enjoyed seeing the life of the prince being portrayed by LJG with all ups and downs, black, white and grey that I am quite happy. However, SHR is a remake/ adaptation of Tong Hua's chinese novel even if it is not a total copy of the C drama so the references are bound to be made by fans/ readers. That had Ruoxi as the protagonist while in here most of the series is from the POV of Hae Su, so that is probably  a reason why most viewers tend to think that the story of SHR centers around her whereas the plot is centered around the throne of Goryeo and by extension Wang So.

[Uniform Victory]

13 minutes ago, littleloony said:

@zi4r loved your feminist rant Seriously you said everything that I felt frustrated with SHR so I won't repeat it. I agree wholeheartedly with the lack of Yeon Hwa's character growth.Kang Hana would have done more than justice to more screen time had they developed her character more. As it is I have a hard time not thinking up a fantasy where YH would be a really good Queen for Wang So because LJG has chemistry with KH and I kind of want Wang So to not lead a sad and bitter life in Goryeo after Hae Su's death

I had held out hope that they would show us why YH is so desperate for power as well Wook's fear of losing the small power and prestige he held (in the early eps) and how it might be linked to their exile. I had thought they would show how much Wook's family had suffered during that period and may be as a result YH has become so focused and determined never to be in such a position again. It would have added the necessary context to both YH and Wook's motivations and actions and made our job of hating them a bit more difficult. I would have loved to sympathise with YH and be forced to think whether I should support her as the Queen, Wang So needs despite rooting for the OTP. Instead they just made her a copy of Queen Yu (what with the bath scene and 'Goryeo should belong to my son' utterings) who can be described as pretty much a one track minded villain. I am sad at the lost opportunity

It is all explained many times throughout the series why the Hwangbos have to retain the power. It is well explained in many occasions why they are cautious of the Yoos. All throughout the series YH has been portrayed to be interested and has this one sided affection for Wang So. In fact, there was a hint in ep 3 that Wang So has the affection as well for YH when he said to her that he has always wondered what kind of woman she has become.