[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[junejungki]

@phenylThis  my top 3 favourite song. I dont know why but every time I heard this song, I always see WS & HS. 

[Gabi Bros]

10 minutes ago, Ainee Etp said:

Why are there only 3 EXO? Where are the rest of Volcano-Chickin-gang?

Because those 3 are the only ones that sing in the OST.

The other members has nothing to do with Moon Lovers. 

[dramu51ch0c10ve]

To me,the comment in IU's IG pic could mean different things:

1.They will meet again during LJK's fanmeet

2.They will meet in the afterlife

3.They will meet in the 21st century at the end of last episode

Can I be delulu and think that they're referring to no. 3?

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[booo28]

Wow .. Sunday blessed..  both of them posted IG..   i can't wait for tommorrow.. I really love this drama so much from the cast , the ost , the cinematography and this forum    i think i will miss you all and MLSHR 

[Killa92]

55 minutes ago, stevii said:

honestly, i have never seen actor/actresses who play in a drama post this many stuff about the drama they are in, so the interaction of ML's casts in instagram are quite new to me (or probably i never paid that much attention to instagrams...) so lovely, it shows they are very close with one another, and i could imagine a happy environment is all actor/actresses could ever ask for in filmings.. so i'm happy for them

btw whats all this about drama awards? i dont think sbs put up their nominees for this year award yet, right? or do you guys mean the korea drama awards? 

 

I was talking about the SBS year end drama award not the Korea drama award

5 minutes ago, booo28 said:

Wow .. Sunday blessed..  both of them posted IG..   i can't wait for tommorrow.. I really love this drama so much from the cast , the ost , the cinematography and this forum    i think i will miss you all and MLSHR 

They are Killing us. Maybe if next episode will make us so badly sad at least these two lovely OTP interaction in IG & real life make our heart flutter. Haha

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[enigmaticangel]

On 10/28/2016 at 11:30 PM, clarissasan said:

@enigmaticangel I post the same yesterday and some of our friends already answer it  You can see their answers in page 1617. 

This is from the forced kiss, and I think it's kinda different from that leaked kiss you posted . Only their hair looked similar. WS's bangs looked more messy in forced kiss scene though. That leaked kiss could be the rehearsal for this forced kiss since it happened during the day when it still bright, maybe it was the afternoon before the night they shot this forced kiss,

but i hope it won't happened yet. 

I really wish that leaked kiss scene will happened in ep 19 or 20 ...

 

 

Thank you so much chingu..though it seems impossible now..but i am still wishing for a kiss.. A LAST KISS OF LOVE BETWEEN WANG SO AND HAE SOO..OMG! i hate the word "Last" now.. 

 

I don't know how am I gonna cope up with MLSHR withdrawals..i am having withdrawal symptoms even before the end..my Mon-Tue won't be the same..

 

And HAPPY DIWALI TO EVERYONE...here people are bursting crackers and enjoying the fest in India..but i am sulking due to ML..

GOD!! what this show has done to me?!!!! 

Edited October 30, 2016 by LyraYoo
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[Sharine Phinisia]

1 hour ago, antiherofans said:

 

Great post .

For me, since beginning, I know Wang So is not your Knight in Shining Armor kind of Prince. He is the ultimate Anti Hero.

An antihero is a protagonist who lacks conventional heroic qualities such as idealism, courage, or morality. These individuals often possess dark personality traits such as disagreeableness, dishonesty, and aggressiveness. These characters are usually considered "conspicuously contrary to an archetypal hero". (Wikipedia)

When I first saw Wang So, I was so shocked, not only because of his looks, but because this is the first Kdrama I watched who dare to put Anti Hero as their lead. Most of Kdrama male lead is sort of gentlemen type (maybe that is why SK hate this drama ). But Wang So, he is a MURDERER. Yes he has reason for the killing but he always has this dark and cruel tendencies.

 

Indeed! I guess the concept of anti-hero is still somewhat incorrigible in the East, where the boundaries and morals are held strong, black and white are divided the most apparent.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. When you look back into an abyss, the abyss looks back into you."             -Friedrich Nietzsche

"The noir hero is a night in a blood-caked armor. He's dirty and he does his best to deny the fact that he's a hero the whole time."                                             -Frank Miller

 

[Kasmic]

41 minutes ago, Ainee Etp said:

Why are there only 3 EXO? Where are the rest of Volcano-Chickin-gang?

 

It seems that they are starting to branch out with another song with just the 3 of them. Though still EXO but with CBX in their name title: EXO-CBX. It's common esp for such a big groups

Here's their latest song "Hey Mama"

Spoiler

 

 

 

In regards to IU IG post LJG already liked it too...and those emoticons awww  also have a significant meaning... so cute. 

cr. peachion in twitter

[ShaiKeun]

It is 11:48 pm now but i can't sleep thinking that tomorrow is Monday and the ending of  MLSHR is fast approaching soon. Oh, how it would be? It is killing me thinking.. it will  have a sad or happy ending.  To the script writer, director and producer of MLSHR, this is for you!!!

[bingewatcherinsomniac]

44 minutes ago, Sharine Phinisia said:

 

I agree. Hae Soo is just another "variable", according to Jimong's prophecy. However that begs for another question: did she end up stranded in Goryeo for no reason at all? or is there a mastermind behind this?

Ooh, a juicy material for season 2? 

hmm.. great question! What was the real purpose of her time traveling to goryeo? At first, I'm pretty sure that it was related to wang so and his journey on becoming the king, which was reasonable especially with all the visions she gained from her sub-conscious memory that all closely related to wang so's path to the throne and why it bothers her so much even as early as episode 1 that the next king of goryeo.. was it gwangjong? That proved her flawed knowledge on history but also seems rather intentional (though a bit random) to highlight their connection to each other.

But now I am not sure anymore. Regardless the circumstances and reasons that droves him, with one way or another, eventually wang so will be the king. It's not like without her presence around him it will reduced his chance greatly in becoming the next king. 

However, in his POV, HS makes everything different. She is the one that completely restored his faith to the world, that maybe it was really worth living.

Before he met her, love and kindness is a foreign concept for him. The day his mother put a scar on his face, his chance to experience normal and ordinary life was stolen and since then everyone has been mistreated him as a monster not worthy to receive any kindness affection. He did nothing wrong but they all said he was cursed. World has failed him so severely that he was determined to be just what people expected of him, brutal and ruthless demon. But it was never his true nature, it was his adopted persona to mask his very fragile and vulnerable heart, something he learned to protect and defend himself. And it works, with the illusion of fear people has stopped harassing him. Therefore he continues using his beastly image to survive, to guard himself because no one ever present to protect him and stood by his side. Not until he met HS.

In a nutshell, though her role on shaping history is rather questionable, but her warm-hearted presence has touched many souls in goryeo era, especially to WS. She is his everything and nothing could eclipse her level of importance in his heart. Therefore her journey to the past should be worth enough.

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4 hours ago, zi4r said:

Protector of the weak

vs. Misogynistic way of dealing with HS

But this offer of protection is a double-edged sword, especially when it comes to his love for HS. There is a sense that he is always the protector, the minder, the one in control... and she, the helpless one who relies on him. In many ways, he treats her the way we would treat a child --- "Do as I say; it's for your own protection."

There is no question that he treasures HS. Yet this is not a relationship of equals. As he extends his protection to her, he is compromising on the respect he should have for her as a person. In the name of "protection", he has constantly opted to keep her in the dark about his problems, his plans & his ambitions... although all of those (directly or indirectly) affect HS as well. In his defense, she hasn't been the most logical of beings. (Especially, as a woman from the future being constantly bothered by visions, which WS is not aware of, she might seem frankly nuts to him at times!) But as we watch their relationship unravel due to lack of communication, the fault squarely lies on WS.

The lack of communication on HS part has two very valid excuses. One, without sounding like a nutjob, she can't possibly tell him about where she comes from (without Ji-mong's cooperation, and he seems adamant on not cooperating in this regard) or her visions. Two, later on, her lack of communication is a response to his constant urge to distant himself from her. She doesn't know what he is feeling or what he is planning...... How is she to really open up to him?

But for WS, the lack of communication is a deep-seated character-trait in him. Throughout Mu's reign, WS was obviously shouldering a lot of responsibilities. In my previous post, I have criticized HS for not playing a bigger role during that time (Inside spoiler tag)

But the blame lies on WS for that too. It seems that in his effort to "heal" her and protect her from the evils of living in the palace, he has not shared any burden of his life or his work with her. I know all the viewers love the star-gazing scene, but there is a reason why I've never done gifs or waxed poetic about that scene. Because as much as my heart & my hormones call for that scene to enthrall me, my brain is so pissed at how their relationship is being portrayed --- the man going off to do his all-important work & then coming home to woo his woman with nonsensical & trivial stuff.

HS bared her soul, told him about her pain, declared her trust on him..... His response? Kiss her. Yes, it's romantic, but a very romantic deflection from the issues! Because he wants her to continue assuming, just for a little while more, that her protection is the only reason he has gone away (even though he did it as a strategy to angle for the throne as well). Yes, Wang So tries his very best to not outright lie to HS... but his lies-by-omission are hard to forgive by this point

Then of course, the endless major f-ups of Ep18: The silent dinner after his confrontation with WW & her confrontation with YH. Then, the outing -- again, acting like a happy couple while riddled with unspoken issues and each keeping secrets from the other. And after that, the biggest and ugliest move WS has ever made: His choice not to prepare HS for CR's punishment & death.

The torrent of communication breakdown was inevitable, swift & merciless. And all of it circles back to WS not treating HS like an adult, like someone with a logical thinking head, like an equal. The role of the protector and the provider in this relationship has overruled his need to respect her opinions & wishes. And for that, this relationship is doomed even before it can truly blossom.

_____________________________

 

 

A man consumed by love

vs. Possessiveness that seeks to preserve what he deems as his

His love for Yoo used to be almost all-consuming as the love he has for HS now. He committed murder & treason in the name of love for this mother. But all his life, he has seen Yoo pile affection on Yo and Jung, while rejecting him every step of the way. She was supposed to be his person. But in a sense Yo & Jung took her away from him. Logical or not, it doesn't matter. WS's pain when it comes to his mother's relationship with her other two sons is all too real & raw to him... and it has been festering in him all his life. During the star-gazing scene, he told HS about how he wanted Jung to just "disappear". It shows that his mommy-issues extend beyond his dealings with his mother; consciously or not, he has always harboured resentment towards Yo & Jung.

I am not saying that he made a logical decision to punish Jung. But Jung's suffering in that moment was immaterial to GJ.

And it's not a character flipflop. It just depicts how possessive love & dark resentment can manifest into something truly ugly. Actually, in that moment, he is not even being the logical & cunning GJ; he is just being WS... the son & brother of those who should have loved him and yet shunned him... and he just allowed himself to be ruled by emotions and consumed by hatred & revenge.

A man of honour

vs. Honour taking precedent over everything (even rivaling his love for HS)

This continues from the previous section. One would ask: If he got the throne just for the sake of HS (and his own freedom), why try so hard to ensure his power? Well, firstly, WS doesn't do anything by halves. Whatever situation he is in, he lives in the present and he gives it all. But more importantly, he's an honourable man who doesn't take his position as the ruler of a nation, lightly.

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For all the complaints the viewers have about WS's swift change in character, all he has truly changed is just in his demeanor; his core of character remains unchanged. His days as WS has already defined the trajectory of becoming GJ.

So if we are heartbroken now, it seems we have no one to blame but ourselves for this. The beauty of his character -- both inside and out -- is so great that it has blinded us when it comes to its darkness. And for that, we now suffer the pain of losing our beloved Wang So and getting the hardened Gwangjong... even though WS & GJ has ever been one and the same, and it is our own blinkered eyes and easily-swayed hearts that have been fooling us all along.

I love that Wang So & MLSHR have given me a chance to be a fool in love. It spoke to the innocence that I thought I've lost a long time ago, and while I am now hurt & disappointed, I am happy to have gone through this journey.

Ahh, this entire post is amazing. Thank you for writing it!! The way you tackle how WS's misogyny, which is part of the protection of HS feeds into the end of their relationship is so spot on. It was so clever for the writer to use a woman from the future, whose core difference (the need to be treated as equal, to be allowed individual choice) would be the point that split their love apart. I've been rooting for HS to leave because of all the examples you've listed: the unbearableness of being treated like a "pretty escape from reality" instead of being treated like a real person that WS eventually makes her. Speaking of the stargazing scene, he tells her that whenever he comes to her, his problems seems lighter, which is still a lie of sorts because he does NOT tell her about all the problems really plaguing him; that Mu might be crazy, that the regime is under problems, the clans are revolting in the north. The way you pointed out all the romantic dates were a deferral from a reality check, the need to really include HS in his decision making is so spot on. Let's con

I think the writer has taken us on this amazing journey where most watchers have really fallen head over heels in love with WS but now are dealing with the consequences of that love, much like Hae Su. It's a very clever literary trick and I think much of the fallout and anger with Hae Su might be a displaced anger at our selves for not seeing the full picture. I still think there are several huge overarching messages in the show that I'm completely in love with 

1) Women move historical events yet are forgotten - because for a millennia women have not been the historians or the victors, their stories are forgotten. Hae Su changed the succession of kings, but will be unknown. 

2) Women who sacrifice themselves for love are doomed - Look at Lady Oh, Hae Su, Myung Hee, Seon Doek, this is an amazing but devastating message at the core of the show. Love cannot conquer all. When you love a man with power, your love is only collateral.

3) Do not compromise who you are for the person you love - Look at Hae Su in the last few episodes of Scarlet Heart. She has been broken more times than I care to count. That she's finally leaving because she had enough: I LOVE THIS about her. She was brave enough to love Wang So, despite basically everyone and their mama telling her not to do so. When she finally gave in to her love for him, she thought she had a chance at happiness. When all of it starts being taken away, instead of allowing herself to become a husk of her former self, she leaves. She's rebuilding. It's gonna hurt like hell, but she'll do it. She will not be another Lady Oh, washing the bodies of her King's women. 

You are absolutely correct, WS is the most flesh out character in the series and he feels the most three dimensional. He has also has some core values that make him an immediate classic: He's Hamlet, Othello, Macbeth, Michael Corleone, all of these classic figures who struggled with power and love all at once.

**Speaking of: Both Hamlet and Othello's jealousy and paranoia eventually got their lady loves killed. I like the twist in our show: that once WS's love becomes suffocating, HS decides to take herself out of the equation where as Ophelia and Desmdemona had no choice but to die. The closest comparison we have would be Kay leaving Michael Corleone. (And I do have to give it up for the misogyny in our culture because her character was so widely reviled for leaving Michael). 

It's why he's so dynamic and so incredible attractive. There's always a saying that women are attracted to men with power, and maybe in the past it was for protection, but it's always so damn hot to see someone with a goal. In Hae Su's case, that goal spells the end of their love. 

 

[Sharine Phinisia]

2 hours ago, antiherofans said:

 

Great post .

For me, since beginning, I know Wang So is not your Knight in Shining Armor kind of Prince. He is the ultimate Anti Hero.

An antihero is a protagonist who lacks conventional heroic qualities such as idealism, courage, or morality. These individuals often possess dark personality traits such as disagreeableness, dishonesty, and aggressiveness. These characters are usually considered "conspicuously contrary to an archetypal hero". (Wikipedia)

When I first saw Wang So, I was so shocked, not only because of his looks, but because this is the first Kdrama I watched who dare to put Anti Hero as their lead. Most of Kdrama male lead is sort of gentlemen type (maybe that is why SK hate this drama ). But Wang So, he is a MURDERER. Yes he has reason for the killing but he always has this dark and cruel tendencies.

 

Indeed! I guess the concept of anti-hero is still somewhat incorrigible in the East, where the boundaries and morals are held strong, black and white are divided the most apparent.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. When you look back into an abyss, the abyss looks back into you."             -Friedrich Nietzsche

"The noir hero is a night in a blood-caked armor. He's dirty and he does his best to deny the fact that he's a hero the whole time."                                             -Frank Miller

 

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23 minutes ago, Sharine Phinisia said:

 

Indeed! I guess the concept of anti-hero is still somewhat incorrigible in the East, where the boundaries and morals are held strong, black and white are divided the most apparent.

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. When you look back into an abyss, the abyss looks back into you."             -Friedrich Nietzsche

"The noir hero is a night in a blood-caked armor. He's dirty and he does his best to deny the fact that he's a hero the whole time."                                             -Frank Miller

 

 

True. Even in my country, if they put anti hero as the male lead in our soap opera, people will go crazy (not a good kind of crazy). The rating will also bad. They always put this almost perfect male lead to gain more viewer. Sometime they put bad boy type but no murderer .

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