[Drama 2016] Moon Lovers ❤ Scarlet Heart Ryeo, 달의 연인-보보경심 려 \^0^/ Soompi Kdrama 2016 Winner

[qwenli]

@ruizaio hi, are you saying that the dvd thing is stalled now? I feel very sad after reading wat u wrote and am trying very hard to avoid negative comments now since I have fallen so hard for WS , I can't stop watching the  show

@cmluv somebody else replied that this drama was meant to be a 20 +1 but the last I read, sbs didnt want to confirm. so I guess we just have to wait.

[Evelyn C]

3 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

 

The problem wasn't about there being too many princes, but having them all in one screen without much significant interaction. The initial criticism was that it looks more like a sitcom than a sageuk. People used to sageuks expect dignity from royal characters.

Even without watching the C-drama, I believe those frivolous scenes were supposed to stand in stark contrast to the bloody fight for the throne, introducing Wang So as someone most definitely not accustomed to randomly sitting round drinking tea when he is fighting for his life with wolves, and the prince alignments that show up later in the drama (13th,4th,CP) etc. And I had thought there was criticism against BaekHyun's acting - now there are fewer BaekHyun scenes to satisfy (and as you observed, now seem like an afterthought when it was supposed to be comedic relief from throne plotting and bloody murder). Like I said before, not a perfect drama and a lot more episodes would have allowed the side characters' stories to be better developed, but it would appear that no matter what they did - with the sprawling cast and everything, there will always be something not right for them.

[penelop3]

There are so many things open for interpreation in ep 13: 

Damiwon scene: 
Jung to Soo: "I'm an adult too now.... I wont refer to you as my older sister now", meaning I'm in love with you. I won't do anything right now, because I know 8th loves you. But wait for me, I'll be ready when the time comes. 

Soo meeting Wook during her mission to find CP: 
Wook to Soo: "What is this about marriage with So? I didnt know you had that kind of relationship" - He cannot not know. So drank poison to save Soo. Who in their right mind would do that unless there's love involve or pure craziness?

Wook to Soo: "I ask you one more time. Has the King died already" - the moment Soo answered in defeated voice, it's the moment deep down Wook realized whose side Soo is, that's why he told her that she cannot get CP he's too far away. 

So to Baek Ah, Soo, and Woo Hee: "Soon, Yo and Wook...they will attack Cheondeokjeon to go after the throne" - this is like So saying to Soo, "Now you know I know you know..."

Scheming moment the evil siblings: 
Wook to himself: "The thing that worries me most now is the betrayal of one person" - he knows Soo will betray him, or does he?

Soo and So at the hall: 
Soo: "The King threw Oh Sanggong to protect that seat and you, Your Highness (pause and unsaid - you will kill your bothers for it) will have to fight your brothers. 
"Even if you fight tomorrow, you won't hurt them, right" - I think Soo is again reminded of her vision of Gwangjong. 
So: "I guess you still consider him relative" - this is ... a state of denial, right? Unconsciously So would have known that Wook is special to Soo in a way more than just a relative. 

The battle scene. What's that in Wook's face? Feeling betrayed and disappointment mix together followed by anger and determination - to kill So, because he realized that instead of listening to him, Soo chose to go to So. 

Wook and Soo after funeral, and this is the part that I don't understand - please explain it to me. 
Soo: "... Why did you lie to me like that? You did it on purpose right? You were testing me"
Wook: "And you went to So in the end"
Soo: "You weren't planning to kill the 4th Prince, were you?"
PAUSE 
Say what?!?! WHY would she think that? What makes her comes to that conclusion? 

Other things:
YH to So: "If the Hwangbo and I support you, you can become King" - and So said to himself "note to self" and lets keep that for next episode, shall we. 

I think Jung is so dangerous in his ignorance of reading important situation and people. He is a general and has won wars, but super clueless about a lot of things. He is shocked to learn Yo and his mom's intention to kill CP, he cannot see what Yo's plan for treason (he was there with them), and later on, I'm sure he will misread the whole Wook-Soo-So thing. Because of his loyalty to Wook and because Soo 'killed' his brother, he will turn bitter towards So (perhaps think that So is forcing Soo to be with him) and probably will have a hand in breaking So and Soo up. 

I may be wrong. I could be wrong. 

[hrkharis]

50 minutes ago, Kasmic said:

 

Im sorry but how is that a happy ending?? if this drama ends like you've said and as it did like the cversion then I'll be flipping tables. I fell for the character of WS not the look-a-like WS of the present time whom I dont know and would I guess have to assume that not only his looks are like WS but his personality too. How can that be possible? I guess that's the drama aspect in believing that it will be possible because of "deja vu" but to me I would feel that Ive been fooled (again) or that Im kidding myself that such a possibility can ever happen. That aside, most importantly what about the real WS in that time period. Not to see HS ever again and like the c-version knowing that she died in such a sad state, he would/ did/ will be (see Im not sure which tense to use) living a life of regret - how is that a happy ending especially for him? My take is that 4th Prince found peace in assuming that she lived on in her time....maybe its me being wishful thinking but Im willing to do so to keep sane of what BBJX did to me. 

But I know, you cant change history. *sigh*- what have I got myself into? I shouldnt be as naive thinking/ hoping that this drama would be any different  and GOSH! I still enjoy this drama and still unsure how far my curiosity of the plot will lead me to or if my weak heart can take another rip. ARGHHHHH!!!! the joys of dramas. 

 

Forgive me chingu .... Once again I say that I really don't know the real story about the history of the Goryeo Dynasty. I don't even know about the novel  Bu Bu Jing Xin by Tong Hua. I also never watch "Scarlet Heart" 1 and 2  Chinese version.

What I post is my imagination because I was obsessed with WS-HS couples. I certainly hope the happy ending for both of them, at least in the 21st century, because we can not change history. I believe the writer will bring the plot "Moon Lovers Scarlet Heart" Korean version, to be more interesting and entertaining for the audience, because the writer certainly will not make the final story of Korean version is the same with Chinese version. What is meant by PD Nim that story will have a happy ending, it's because they (PD & Writer) are confident that the audience will love what they will do in the final episode. Wait and see...

[solelylurking]

I want to enjoy this drama without over thinking it.. But that is hard to do.. *sigh*

[imsoso]

Okay someone help me out. Can someone explain like the symbolisms of the Wook-Soo scenes from the first confrontation of her "going to make tea for the King" but also the one after where she's all "you're not the same person". I feel like I'm missing something. Like what's the symbolic meaning of how the 8th prince lied to her. And by the lie I mean how he told her the Crown Prince was in another city than what he was actually in, as said by Wang So that the prince was in Hubaekje but Wook told Soo a different place. I haven't seen any comments about that but what's the meaning of that? Also tell me all the symbolic meanings cause I feel like I know but I really don't wanna miss anything 

Edit: Also another question: Can someone help me connect how the 8th prince would be using Soo to kill the 4th prince? I didn't understand how the 8th prnce was gonna use HaeSoo to kill the 4th prince. 

Edited October 5, 2016 by imsoso

[Yippeun_eonnie]

6 minutes ago, solelylurking said:

I want to enjoy this drama without over thinking it.. But that is hard to do.. *sigh*

Live like me...ignore all the "long and winding road" and keep thinking I'll get a kiss scene next week

[MadraRua]

6 minutes ago, ruizaio said:

 

The problem wasn't about there being too many princes, but having them all in one screen without much significant interaction. The initial criticism was that it looks more like a sitcom than a sageuk. People used to sageuks expect dignity from royal characters.

 

Forgive me, but I don't put much stock in what the Korean fans think either, especially not since the drama first aired and all the vitriol they hurled at it and the actors. It's clear this drama is breaking new ground, it's changing the way sageuk's are viewed. Unfortunately, this may make a few die hards uncomfortable but it's all about adapting with the times. We, as international viewers, are already thinking outside the box when it comes to our entertainment. We're here watching and faithfully following Korean drama's right? For some, that thinking also include Chinese, Japanese, Taiwanese etc. Our tastes have become varied, maybe what the Korean market also needs is varied viewing. For me it's all about breaking the mold and this drama is doing that in a lot of ways. 

Look, I'm not saying the drama is perfect, The major fault for me is the pacing. Wook-Soo should have been more clearly over by now so as not to confuse viewers. The fight for the throne should have happened sooner as well. The pace fits a novel better rather then a tv series as I've said before, but after all this is an adaptation of the novel. So we can't really fault the writer there. I think all the major downfalls of the drama lie squarely at the feet of the editing department. They've a lot to answer for. 

As to what I quoted, your talking about the bathing scene where we were initially introduced to the Princes? It was gratuitous but not that major a deal. Again. this all boils down to taste and whether one can overlook the few mistakes in the grander scheme of the story that is being told. 

[Kasmic]

15 minutes ago, hrkharis said:

 

Forgive me chingu .... Once again I say that I really don't know the real story about the history of the Goryeo Dynasty. I don't even know about the novel  Bu Bu Jing Xin by Tong Hua. I also never watch "Scarlet Heart" 1 and 2  Chinese version.

What I post is my imagination because I was obsessed with WS-HS couples. I certainly hope the happy ending for both of them, at least in the 21st century, because we can not change history. I believe the writer will bring the plot "Moon Lovers Scarlet Heart" Korean version, to be more interesting and entertaining for the audience, because the writer certainly will not make the final story of Korean version is the same with Chinese version. What is meant by PD Nim that story will have a happy ending, it's because they (PD & Writer) are confident that the audience will love what they will do in the final episodes. Wait and see...

 

It's ok chingu, nothing to apologise over. I just hope to see a happy ending in that period rather than the 21st century which would be nice as it will differ to the c-version. 

I love your optimism for the ending  but where did you get the source that  PD and writer will give a happy ending?  I heard it's the other way round.  I know Im crazy to brave on this drama and now your giving me hopes  or shall I nervously wait on??  

[runitaaa]

 

36 minutes ago, cmluv said:

 yes in wonder about the bracelet too.. and do you think wook who'll be the one to destroy it?  what if so who will do it? maybe later he will find out about the love between HS and WW and he will know about the bracelet too.. i prefer  wook who will destroy it instead of wangso. 

 

34 minutes ago, chi13lou said:

This is the scene I have been waiting for. Maybe it will be in Ep 14.

She hasn't worn the bracelet since she was tortured. Perhaps she hasn't claimed her personal belongings from the jail guards, assuming she was wearing it when she served the poisoned tea.LOL

 

@cmluvI'm still leaning towards Wook will be the one to destroy the bracelet. Maybe that scene will be the ultimate end from Wook's point of view (since Soo already sailing in So's ship)

@chi13lou I also noticed that she hasn't worn the bracelet since the torture. But she returned So's hairpin before the goodbye scene (which I presumes will be confiscated by the investigator while searching for evidence in her room). I just hope it will not be edited out, because in the c-ver it was the ultimate end for 8th prince and Ruoxi ship and I will enjoy every drop of tears Wook will shed while destroying the bracelet

[Yippeun_eonnie]

10 minutes ago, imsoso said:

Okay someone help me out. Can someone explain like the symbolisms of the Wook-Soo scenes from the first confrontation of her "going to make tea for the King" but also the one after where she's all "you're not the same person". I feel like I'm missing something. Like what's the symbolic meaning of how the 8th prince lied to her. And by the lie I mean how he told her the Crown Prince was in another city than what he was actually in, as said by Wang So that the prince was in Hubaekje but Wook told Soo a different place. I haven't seen any comments about that but what's the meaning of that? Also tell me all the symbolic meanings cause I feel like I know but I really don't wanna miss anything 

Edit: Also another question: Can someone help me connect how the 8th prince would be using Soo to kill the 4th prince? I didn't understand how the 8th prnce was gonna use HaeSoo to kill the 4th prince. 

 

When HS say that Wook is not the same person she knew, she mean back then Wook say he didn't interesting on the throne, he asked HS to be with him and leave the palace and back to his home in Hwangju where he will buy all the herbs for her to make soap. HS see him as the most pure and noble person despite his other siblings. He never interested to jump into the fight for the throne. 

But then she is wrong. As the King say, she must to be careful to a prince that asking whether he died or not, that means the prince is after the throne. And HS shocked to find him become so ambitious like this and hearing the plan that he is going to attack the king residence its just make her even scarier at Wook. 

While for Wang So, HS trust him completely. So doesn't even ask her anything but HS just reveal everything to him including Wook's plan. That means to me that HS realize it or not but her heart and mind already choose So as the one that she trust her life with. 

And for the last question, Wook know that HS will deliver the message to So....(or in softer sentence he was testing HS loyalty to him..even he know he already lost it...he never trust HS) With HS deliver the message to So, he know that So will make plan and will be facing him, and Wook think he can defeat So during the battle because he is think very highly of himself, that he will be able to kill So. With killing So its like throwing a stone for 2 birds...he get rid So that make him jealous about HS, and he also can easily make his way to the throne if So out from the throne competition. 

[sunshinefate]

29 minutes ago, qwenli said:

@ruizaio hi, are you saying that the dvd thing is stalled now? I feel very sad after reading wat u wrote and am trying very hard to avoid negative comments now since I have fallen so hard for WS , I can't stop watching the  show

@cmluv somebody else replied that this drama was meant to be a 20 +1 but the last I read, sbs didnt want to confirm. so I guess we just have to wait.

They better confirm it or else I'm sure the story will feel rushed. IMO, the crews better reedit the drama so that the story will flow naturally although I know it will be hard as this is a preproduced drama. As for now, I feel the story is quite made rushed, therefore they better remake it to fit in the story. 

[Immortal_Angel]

6 minutes ago, imsoso said:

Okay someone help me out. Can someone explain like the symbolisms of the Wook-Soo scenes from the first confrontation of her "going to make tea for the King" but also the one after where she's all "you're not the same person". I feel like I'm missing something. Like what's the symbolic meaning of how the 8th prince lied to her. And by the lie I mean how he told her the Crown Prince was in another city than what he was actually in, as said by Wang So that the prince was in Hubaekje but Wook told Soo a different place. I haven't seen any comments about that but what's the meaning of that? Also tell me all the symbolic meanings cause I feel like I know but I really don't wanna miss anything 

 

from the wook-soo scene after the king told her to go find CP whoever stops her and ask her questions regarding him like did the king died yet, it will tell her that they are after the throne and would fight to sit on it. So when they ask her she will say she's getting stuff to make tea for the king meaning he is alive and requested to drink more tea. But when Wook confronted her and ask her that, she realized that he too wants the throne not only Wang Yo. He didn't ask for nothing else but if the king was dead that was the 1st question out of his mouth as the king warn her do not trust any that ask that question cause they have a motive which is to take the throne.

and when she said to wook "you're not the same person" it means that he's not the same wook as before, the wook before didn't think of the throne, he wanted to live a peaceful life and wanted to leave with Soo but when she asked him again if he would leave, he didn't say and then she realized he has ambitions and wanted the throne for himself.  He lied to Soo to test her if she is really going to find CP she would failed since hes not in that city but they didn't factor in that So would find a way to bring CP in. Wook wanted to test Soo not only if she trust him and was loyal to him but also was her feelings still true to him in which none since her feelings for him was wavering after Lady Oh death due to So being there for her half the time which Wook didn't

[solelylurking]

@Yippeuni I hate to burst your bubble girl but it's a smooch not a kiss from the way I see it. HS is a 21st century girl, she should know how to kiss a man the right way to make him never leave you. Hahaha.

But then again, my Wook only get a hug and forehead kiss.. Who am I to complain?

[imsoso]

Ok, so for those that are wondering about the last conversation between HS and WW...

"Why would HS assume that WW was using her to kill WS?"

Because he was testing her loyalty to him and by that I mean that by telling her of his and WY's plot he was seeing if she was going to go tell WS or keep the "secret" (like he asked her too) and in the end, as WW might've predicted, she chose to trust So over him and tell So about the rebellion. WW knew that if HS were to tell WS that WS would definitely not stand there without doing anything and would take action in the "battlefield". By telling WS about the plot, HS kinda involved So. So obviously So would go onto the battlefield and fight and that would be where WW or WY planned to kill him. So that's why HS asked WW if he was using her to kill the 4th prince. 

Hope this made sense

[wackeemarie]

5 minutes ago, sunshinefate said:

They better confirm it or else I'm sure the story will feel rushed. IMO, the crews better reedit the drama so that the story will flow naturally although I know it will be hard as this is a preproduced drama. As for now, I feel the story is quite made rushed, therefore they better remake it to fit in the story. 

 Hi, I think the special episode would only be either interviews or additional BTS rather than an additional drama episode. The drama has been sold to networks in Southeast Asia & China, China requires ratings/content review of the completed drama prior to airing. I think the story itself ends on Ep 20. 

[fengari]

11 hours ago, silfeeah said:

Does anyone find it funny that WS doesn't find it at least a bit fishy whenever something HS-WW related comes up. I mean when HS tells him that WW is vying for the throne is because of her...Or that she'd be devastated if something were to happen to Wook during the confrontation outside of the dying king's quarters or the hostility from Wook when Wook witnesses WS's proposal to HS? I mean their actions and words are much more reminiscent of lovers rather than just mere family members. Or So is too socially inept to realize these nuances, haha. I hope HS tells WS that it was 8th prince who she was in love with rather than him finding out himself. 

I think he has already understoodvery well  that WW was HS´s love interest. But, he also sensed/recognized that HS does not want to reveal the name. He himself would never (at least not at this point) ask directly such a question, the confirmation would be simply a useless complication, plus it would be  so NOT WangSoyish behavior.
But he knows, therefore in the throne-scene, when HS asked him not to hurt his brothers in tomorrow s confrontation, he said "are you worry for Wook?", she nods, and WS continues "I guess you consider him still a relative..." and then he puts the 1.000.000 dollars question " then why you came to me and  you didn´t simply stay aside?". With this question he wants once again to make her see that she has come already to him (WS). And when HS replies with humanistic generalities (the right think is to take the side of the CP, WW does this for my sake, he felt powerless when i was in danger etc, ), the smart WS replies  "I know, i felt the same way back then"  which signifies that he identifies his back then state (the state of a lover in despair for the life of his love)  with  the state of WW, namely he recognizes also WW as a lover in despair. And then when HS says that if WW die tomorrow  she would be scarred for ever, WS said smiling"I got it. I will try not to kill him. I also don´ t want WW to die". And this statement brings us back at the beach-scene,  where WS only concern about the name of HS love was if he is Baekha. He would kill everyone else. But this threat was just  whimsical.Because, untill now everything WS does shows that he does not want to win HS heart by any means, killing "rivals". He wants her to come to him by herself seeing only him, to come to himself not because she has no other options/choices  but because she free-willing  choose him. Therefore,  his statement "I got it.I also don´t want Wook die" has a double meaning "I got it.You are still interest in him.You wont tell me this. But I dont care.I also want your lover alive, so that your love for me would be even more  true". 

[runitaaa]

38 minutes ago, taehumama said:

 

I have the strange feeling that the bracelet will be destroyed by Wang So! 

 

Yes, it is possible because even in the preview we can't see the person who destroy the bracelet and cut to Wook crying Soo's name which we already knew came from different scene. I just didn't get why So need to destroy the bracelet? Jealousy? Rage? Soo is not even wearing the bracelet anymore!!

[imsoso]

Goodness... never in my life have I ever had to think so much about a K-Drama

[sunshinefate]

Just now, wackeemarie said:

 Hi, I think the special episode would only be either interviews or additional BTS rather than an additional drama episode. The drama has been sold to networks in Southeast Asia & China, China requires ratings/content review of the completed drama prior to airing. I think the story itself ends on Ep 20. 

Yeah I know it's impossible to add 1 additional episode. I'm afraid the story will feel rushed and the k-netizens will keep complaining and comparing this drama with the other sageuk that airs the same time with it